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From: John Brockman < INIMI> To: Stewart Brand , Dame K Kevin Kell neman Craig Venter Christopher Ande , Peter Diamandis , Annalena McAfee Marissa Mayer , Sam Harris Nick Bilton Nick Pritzker Jeffrey Epstein < Sejnowski Maria Spiropulu <vcs todden.net>, Nassim Nicholas Taleb , Sendhil Mullainathan "Geoffrey F. Miller" ose•h LeDoux eevacation Frank Sulloway eorge Dennis Overb e Diamond Paul Davies eni Jardin lan Guth even Stro atz eo e Dyson ichard Thaler George Church Jimmy Wales an McEwan , Dav


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From: John Brockman < INIMI> 
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Subject: Weekend reading - heads up - "Napoleon Chagnon: Blood Is Their Argument" 
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 20:52:54 +0000 
Here's the latest EDGE event, "Napoleon Chagnon: Blood Is Their Argument", with Steven Pinker, Richard 
Wrangham, Daniel Dennett, David Haig, and an Introduction by Richard Dawkins. It not hyperbole to say that 
it's perhaps the most significant event in our sixteen year history. Great weekend reading and viewing, all 30,000 
words and several hours of video. Get busy! 
Official publication to the EDGE list is Monday morning. It's up now on the EDGE home page (Permalink: 
http://www.edge.org/conversation/napoleon-chagnon-blood-is-their-argument). Enjoy! And help us the word out 
to your social network followers - Twitter hashtag #blood. 
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JB 
"Napoleon Chagnon is a Living World Treasure. Arguably our greatest anthropologist." - Richard Dawkins, from 
the Introduction 
NAPOLEON CHAGNON: BLOOD IS THEIR ARGUMENT 
An Edge Special Event 
Napoleon Chagnon, Steven Pinker, Richard Wrangham, Daniel C. Dennett, David Haig 
Introduction by Richard Dawkins 
Permalink: http://www.edge.org/conversation/napoleon-chagnon-blood-is-their-argument 
[Thanks to Steven Pinker for initiating and facilitating this Edge Special Event with Napoleon Chagnon, the last 
of the great ethnographers.] 
THE REALITY CLUB: Lionel Tiger, Paul Seabright, Dominic Johnson, Azar Gat, Daniel Everett 
INTRODUCTION 
By Richard Dawkins 
Chagnon's extraordinary body of work will long be mined, not just by anthropologists but by psychologists, 
humanists, litterateurs, scientists of all kinds: mined for ... who knows what insights into the deep roots of our 
humanity? 
Napoleon Chagnon is a Living World Treasure. Arguably our greatest anthropologist, he is brave on two fronts. 
As a field worker in the Amazon forest he has lived, intimately and under conditions of great privation, with The 
Fierce People at considerable physical danger to himself. But the wooden clubs and poison-tipped arrows of the 
Yanomam6 were matched by the verbal clubs and toxic barbs of his anthropologist colleagues in the journal 
pages and conference halls of the United States. And it is not hard to guess which armamentarium was the more 
disagreeable to him. 
Chagnon committed the unforgivable sin, cardinal heresy in the eyes of a certain kind of social scientist: he took 
Darwin seriously. Along with a few friends and colleagues, Chagnon studied the up-to-date literature on natural 
selection theory, and with brilliant success he applied the ideas of Fisher, Hamilton, Trivers and other heirs of 
Darwin to a human tribe which probably ran as close to the cutting edge of natural selection as any in the world. 
It is sobering to reflect on how unconventional a step this was: science bursting into the quasi-literary world of 
the anthropology in which the young Chagnon was trained. Still today, in many American departments of social 
science, for a young researcher to announce a serious interest in Darwin's dangerous idea—even an inclination 
towards scientific thinking at all—can come close to career suicide. 
In Chagnon's case the animosity spilled over from mere academic disagreement to personal slander, which was 
not merely untrue but diametrically opposite to the truth about this ethnographer and his decent and humane 
relationship with his subjects and friends. The episode serves as a dark lesson in what can happen when ideology 
is allowed to poison the well of academic study. While it is thankfully in the past, it blighted Chagnon's career, 
and I don't know whether the lesson for social science has been adequately learned. 
Chagnon came along at just the right time for the Yanomam6 and for scientific anthropology. Encroaching 
civilisation was about to close the last window on a tribal world that embodied vanishing clues to our own 
prehistory: a world of forest "gardens", of kin-groups fissioning into genetically salient sub-groups, of male 
combat over women and trans-generational revenge, complex alliances and enmities; webs of calculated 
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obligation, debt, grudge and gratitude that might underlie much of our social psychology and even law, ethics 
and economics. Chagnon's extraordinary body of work will long be mined, not just by anthropologists but by 
psychologists, humanists, litterateurs, scientists of all kinds: mined for ... who knows what insights into the 
deep roots of our humanity? 
In his unique role as salon-host and impresario for science, John Brockman has performed what will come to be 
seen as an enduring service, by bringing Napoleon Chagnon together with four of today's leading Third Culture 
intellectuals: Daniel Dennett, Steven Pinker, Richard Wrangham and David Haig. Separately and in teams, these 
penetrating minds, combining deep scholarship with a rare ability to communicate and entertain, converse with 
Napoleon Chagnon and shed and reflect light on the life-work of a great anthropologist and a brave man. 
—Richard Dawkins 
PART ONE: NAPOLEON CHAGNON & STEVEN PINKER (WITH DANIEL C. DENNETT & DAVID 
HAIG) 
"I first walked into the Yanomamo village thinking I was going to do the perfunctory one-year field research or 
maybe less, go back to my university, write my doctoral dissertation, publish a book maybe, after two or three 
years of thinking about it, then return to the tribe ten years later and do the expected thing about, "Woe is me, 
what has the world and technology done to my people?" But the minute I walked into my first Yanomamo village 
I realized that I was witnessing a really precious thing, and I knew I would have to come back again and again. 
And I did." EDGE Video [1:00:58] 
DISCUSSION: CHAGNON, PINKER, DENNETT, HAIG 
"The Yanomamo are very valuable now as a commodity. They are the largest most interesting and romanticized 
tribe in the entire Amazon basin, maybe in the world. They live in an area that is threatened by ecological 
destruction, so there are people who are interested in saving the rain forest, and people who are interested in 
saving the natives. And these groups collaborate with each other. Everybody wants the Yanomamo in their 
portfolio." EDGE Video [30:43] 
PART TWO: NAPOLEON CHAGNON & RICHARD WRANGHAM (WITH DANIEL C. DENNETT & 
DAVID HAIG) 
"What I've discovered is that life was very much filled with terror of your neighbors, constantly in a position—
sort of like Hobbes' argument —foul weather is not a shower or two but a tendency thereto for months on end. So 
you always have your eye open to the frontier and try to make sure that the guys out there are on the other side of 
the moat." EDGE Video [33:52] 
DISCUSSION: CHAGNON, WRANGHAM, DENNETT, HAIG 
Big villages lord over small villages. So if you're seeking an ally who will protect you from the buggers up the 
hill who are bigger than you, you're at a disadvantage because in order to get allies, you've got to give women to 
them. It's an economics game where the smaller village has to pay up front for the privileges of the alliance, and 
the bigger village tends to default on many of its agreements. So big villages tend to exploit small villages. It's 
always a good idea to live in a big village; however, it's like living in a powder keg. EDGE Video [20:47] 
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NAPOLEON CHAGNON is a renowned anthropologist who is most widely recognized for his study of the 
Yanomamo tribes in the Amazon. He is a professor of anthropology at the University of Missouri; Author, Noble 
Savages: My Life Among Two Dangerous Tribes—the Yanomamo and the Anthropologists. 
STEVEN PINKER, psychologist, is Johnstone Family Professor, Department of Psychology; Harvard 
University; Author, The Better Angles of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined; The Blank Slate: The 
Modern Denial of Human Nature. 
RICHARD WRANGHAM is Ruth Moore Professor of Biological Anthropology, Curator of Primate Behavioral 
Biology at Harvard University; Author, Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human; (coauthor) Demonic 
Males: Apes, and the Origins Of Human Violence. 
DANIEL C. DENNETT is Austin B. Fletcher Professor of Philosophy, & Co-Director, Center for Cognitive 
Studies, Tufts University; Author, Intuition Pumps and Other Tools for Thinking; Darwin's Dangerous Idea: 
Evolution and the Meanings of Life. 
DAVID HAIG, evolutionary geneticist/theorist, is Associate Professor of Biology in Harvard's Department of 
Organismic and Evolutionary Biology, with an interest in conflicts and conflict resolution within the genome, 
and genomic imprinting and relations between parents and offspring; Author, Genomic Imprinting and Kinship. 
RICHARD DAWKINS, evolutionary biologist, is Emeritus Professor of the Public Understanding of Science, 
Oxford; Author, The Greatest Show on Earth; The Selfish Gene. He was recently ranked #1 in Prospect 
Magazine's poll of "World Thinkers 2013". 
THE REALITY CLUB 
Lionel Tiger: "This began as an exhilarating exercise celebrating the verve and intelligence of a colleague and 
friend who has made serious contribution to understanding human beings. However it unexpectedly veered to a 
mood of rue and woe about the stolid incompetence of countless disciplineless scholars as they survey the human 
condition." ... 
Paul Seabright: "Probably no single phrase cost Napoleon Chagnon more enemies than when he wrote that the 
Yanomamo live « in a state of chronic warfare o. More than four decades on, the evidence that many human 
societies without a state have lived with high levels of violence over long periods is now very strong." ... 
Dominic Johnson: "Force is a means of achieving the external ends of states because there exists no consistent, 
reliable process of reconciling the conflicts of interest that inevitably arise among similar units in a condition of 
anarchy." This was Kenneth Waltz, one of the fathers of international relations, writing about the behavior of 
nation-states in the international system. But it could just as well have been written about the Yanomamo, the 
"fierce people" of the Amazon." ... 
Azar Gat: "Napoleon A. Chagnon's made a seminal and supreme contribution to both anthropology and the 
application of evolutionary theory to the understanding of human society. I shall not repeat the lavish praises 
justly bestowed on his life's work, to which we are all hugely indebted. Instead, I would like to point out one 
misstep he took in the course of his controversies on the causes of primitive warfare, which somewhat diverted 
the argument in a wrong direction with respect to both that subject and the actual meaning and significance of 
evolutionary theory." 
Daniel L. Everett: "...What impressed me about Nap's writing was what has impressed generations of 
anthropologists, students, and other intellectuals -his effortless interweaving of personal experience with 
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rigorous ethnographic description of the people he was living among, the "sons of god" (what "Yan—omam" 
means in English, according to one Yanomam, Davi Kopenawa whom I met many years ago, though I haven't 
seen this definition elsewhere)." ... 
John Brockman 
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