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VOLUME I OF II Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 / / VIDEO-CONFERENCED AND VIDEOTAPED COMPULSORY MEDICAL EVALUATION OF JANE DOE NO. 5 Friday, November 20, 2009 9:18 - 6:55 p.m. 250 Australian Avenue Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 === EXTRACTED TEXT === Page UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA CASE NO.: 08-CIV-80119-MARRA/JOHNSON JANE DOE NO. 2, Plaintiff, -vs- JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. VOLUME I OF II Related cases: 08-80232, 08-08380, 08-80381, 08-80994, 08-80993, 08-80811, 08-80893, 09-80469, 09-80591, 09-80656, 09-80802, 09-81092 / / VIDEO-CONFERENCED AND VIDEOTAPED COMPULSORY MEDICAL EVALUATION OF JANE DOE NO. 5 Friday, November 20, 2009 9:18 - 6:55 p.m. 250 Australian Avenue Suite 1500 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Reported By: Cynthia Hopkins, RPR, FPR Notary Public, State of Florida Prose Court Reporting Services PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723310 Page 2 Page 4 1 APPEARANCES: 2 On behalf of the Plaintiff 3 JESSICA D. ARBOUR, ESQUIRE MERMELSTEIN &14OROWITZ, PA. 4 18205 Biscayne Boulevard Suite 2218 6 7 8 9 ALSO PRESENT: 10 11 12 Pha e: E-mail: D. Paralegal, Burman, Crftton, Luther & Coleman 13 14 Sextet Quimby, Videographer Visual Evidence, Incorporated 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 A. Okay. 2 Q. This is probably going to be an all-day 3 thing. This is not an endurance test. So, at any 4 time you need to take a break, want to get a 5 cigarette smoke, use the restroom, get some water? 6 A. Okay? 7 Q. It's not a problem. Just let me know. 8 A. Okay. 9 Q. And we'll stop the tape. The tape 10 switches over about every two hours, so we kind of 11 have little built-in breaks any way. 12 A. Yeah, she told me that 13 Q. Pm a, fin a psychiatrist I have been 14 asked to do what they call an independent medical 15 examination. This is in the context of the lawsuit 16 that's going on. I think you're aware of that. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Usually when you see a doctor, there is a 19 notion of confidentiality, that anything you say to 2 0 the doctor will stay in the room and not be reported 21 others. Since this is being done for the court, 22 anything you tell me may end up in my report. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. A copy of my report will go to both 25 attorneys, and the judge may or may not see it. I, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 3 EXAMINATION DR. HALL Thank you. JANE DOE NO. 5: I sign here? DR HALL: Yes, please. JANE DOE NO. 5: Is that it for this one? DR. HALL: Yep. That one is a little redundant, but the rest of them there is differences. (Interruption at the door.) DR. HALL: Yes. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Sorry to interrupt, Doctor. Could you move the mic a little bit closer? DR HALL: You don't have to — the last one doesn't apply. JANE DOE NO. 5: Yeah. BY DR. HALL: Q. Now, live introduced myself a little bit before the depo got started and I overheard your lawyer talking about speak slowly, clearly -- A. Yes. Q. — because it's being transcribed. So, appreciate that. If you have any questions at any time, feel free to ask me. Page 5 1 you know, some of the mechanics I don't fully 2 understand. 3 A. Okay. 4 Q. But it's not confidential. 5 A. Yeah, I understand that. 6 Q. Also usually when you see a doctor, there 7 is the assumption that the doctor is going to treat 8 you. I'm not going to be providing treatment 9 recommendations. 10 A. Yeah. 11 Q. Or follow-up, whatever, yeah? 12 A. Yeah. 13 Q. But I just want you to be aware of that 14 before we start. 15 A. Okay. Understand. 16 Q. Do you have any questions, concerns, 17 comments? 18 A. No. 19 Q. No. Okay. How this works is we're going 20 to kind of start, get some background information, 21 kind of go through a lot of areas during the course 22 of the day. And I will talk to you specifically 23 about the allegations of the episode of Mr. Epstein. 24 And we'll have some testing at the end. 25 A. Oka'. 2 (Pages 2 to 5) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723311 Page 6 Page 8 1 Q. All right. Usually around noon or I NW 2 break for lunch and then come back 3 A. Okay. . 4 Q. With all that said, could you tell me your 5 name, please? 6 A. Jane Doe No. 5. 7 Q. Okay. When you were born? A. October 27th, 1986. 9 Q. Okay. Where were you born? 10 A. West Palm Beach. 11 Q. Okay. Any problems, complications, 12 problems with your birth that you're aware of? 13 A. No. 14 Q. So, not born early, born late? 15 A. I was bom late, actually, yes. 16 Q. Do you know how late? 17 A. I was supposed to be born October 15th on my 18 father's birthday. 19 Q. Okay. So it looks like roughly two weeks? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Okay. Did they have to induce your mom 22 into labor or did it — 23 A. No, she went into labor. 24 Q. She went. Okay. Did you need to spend 25 any additional time in the hospital afterwards, 1 A. No. 2 Q. Tell me about your family a little bit 3 A. Basically my mother and Mier got married, 4 you know. I was born. And they got divorced. I was 5 around the age of three. It's not accurate, but around 6 the age of three. 7 Q. And it's okay to ballpark in general. 8 A. Yeah,1 will be. You will notice I'm so 9 horrible with memory like time frames. 10 Q. Okay. 11 A. I'm throwing them out. 12 Q. If I need something a little more 13 specific- 14 A. I will by to put, yeah — 15 Q. Put it together. 16 A. Okay. 17 Q. And if you are kind of ballparkinp„ just 18 let me know it's arotmd this or -- 19 A. Twill. Trust me. I'm horrible. 20 Q. Okay. So divorced around age duce? 21 A. Yes. She met my stepfather, which is 22 III They dated for a while. That's basically -- he's 23 been with her fora long time. They are still together 24 today. I moved to Fort Lauderdale with them. You know, 25 they got married at some point. I don't honestly Page 7 1 PICU, NICU? 2 A. No. 3 Q. Or were you even boa in a hospital? 4 • A. I was bon in a hospital. 5 Q. Okay. 6 A_ That I'm aware of no, I didn't hear of any 7 complications after. 8 Q. Did you meet your normal developmental 9 milestones such as walking and talking on time? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Any significant childhood illness? 12 A. As in medically? 13 Q. Medically needed to be rehospitalized, 14 surgeries? 15 A. The only thing I'm aware of is I had colic 16 when I was little. 17 Q. Okay. And everybody, or most everybody 18 gets the chicken pox. Things like that. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. That's not what I'm — 21 A. Yeah. Pve had that. 22 Q. Okay. Were you ever in foster care or 23 taken way from you're biological parents? 24 A. No. 25 q. Or Da ever involveST -29brinirif? 25 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Page 9 remember the age. I was probably around ten — Q. Okay. A. — when Sot married. They had, you know, a daughter, We moved to South Carolina after Fort Lauderdale. And I didn't really like it in South Carolina. Q. Roughly how old were you when you were in South Carolina? A. Twelve. Q. Okay. Middle school age? A. Yes, it was middle school. It was around -- think it was, actually it was eighth grade, I remember, because I went to three different middle schools in eighth grade. Q. Okay. A. 1 went from Fort Lauderdale to South Carolina and then back to Wellington -- Q. Okay. A. -- because I moved with my father because like me and my stepfather were having problems and also at school there was a lot of girls that wanted to, I guess you put it, kill me. Q. Okay. A. You know, harm me in some way. Q. Pm going to want to hear more about that 3 (Pages 6 to 9 PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723312 Page 10 1 later. 2 A. Yeah, rough draft. So I moved in with my 3 father at the end of my eighth grade year. So this is 4 my third middle school I'm attending now. And it was 5 hard for me because I was close with my mother. And I 6 moved with him, but he was gone a lot because he worked 7 seven days a week. Now he's working six, but he was 8 working seven days a week and he wouldn't get home until 9 around, you know, 6 to 8:00 at night. 10 Q. Okay. 11. A. So, and he was a single parent. And it was me 12 and my brother with him. He has custody over my 13 brother. 14 Q. Okay. 15 A. And basically I lived with him from there on 16 out. 17 Q. Are you still with him now? 18 A. No, I'm mauled. So, actually right now I am 19 staying at his house because my husband is in the 20 military. So, he is going to be back in three weeks. 21 Q. Okay. What branch of the service? 22 A. Navy. 23 Q. Okay. And is he over in a combat zone or 24 is he just on -- 25 A. Yeah. Page 12 1 Q. Okay. Was this his first deployment or... 2 A. Yes. I mean, he's had little deployments like 3 a month here, three weeks there, but this is his 4 first — 5 Q. Longterm. 6 A. — long deployment. 7 Q. How long has he been in for? 8 A. Four years this April, and he still has one 9 more year. 10 Q. Is he going to re-enlist or is he looking 11 on — 12 A. He is - 13 Q. - various things? 14 A. - not sure because the economy is so 15 horrible. He would lace to become a 16 firefighter-paramedic, but the economy is so bad at the 17 moment that everybody is waiting in line to do that, and 18 he is thinking about re-enlisting. 19 Q. Okay. 2 0 A. So, it's not for sure yet. 21 Q. And how long have the two of you been 22 married? 23 A. Almost four years this December. No, three 24 years. Pm sorry. Three years this December. 23 Q. Okay. So, is he — I guess you met him Page 11 1 Q. -- regular ship deployment or... 2 A. Yeah. He is on a regular ship deployment. I 3 mean, he's been to, you know, to Bahrain and Dubai, 4 things like that. But he is on his way back as of now. 5 He is not stopping at any more ports, but he has been in 6 the combat zone. Stuff like that. 7 Q. I'm trying to remember, that's considered 8 what, Zone 5 or Fleet 5 of the Navy, that area? 9 A. 'have no idea. 10 Q. No idea? 11 A. I don't know. Pm not really sure about all 12 that 13 Q. What type of ship is he on? 14 A. He is on the USS Batten. 15 Q. Okay. Is that a supply ship, frigate? 16 A. Ifs a — 17 Q. Cruiser? 18 A. Ifs the — give me a second. For the 19 helicopters the -- 20 Q. Helicopter carrier? 21 A. Ifs a carrier. 22 Q. Okay. How long was his deployment for? 23 A. It's been about, I'm guessing. I haven't even 24 averaged it out, but six to seven months. It's been a 25 while. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 13 before he went into the Navy? A. I've known him since — I met him actually the first day I went to middle school when I went back to Wellington. Q. Okay. A. I've known him since I was IZ 13, whenever I went back to middle school in West Palm, Wellington. Q. All right. So, jumping back I think I got more into the current family than kind of the — A. Yeah. Q. — the original family there, but thank A. You're welcome. Q. Whatever the opportunity presents. How old is your mother? A. I think she's 45. Pm really terrible. Q Approximately 45? A. Forty-five, yeah. Q. Has she had any health problems? A. She's had a couple lumps, but nothing cancerous. Q. Okay. A. But no. Q. How did she deal with the lumps issues? A. My mom is the type of person, she would rather 4 (Pages 10 to 13) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723313 Page 14 I not know. But I basically convinced her to go because 2 cancer runs in my family. 3 Q. Okay. What do you think of the new 4 guidelines on mammography and all that? 5 A. As in - 6 Q. Oh, they — / A. Sorry. ;3 Q. They just have the recommendations on 9 breast cancer screening come out. 10 A. Oh, did they? 11 Q. (Inaudible.) 12 A. I wasn't even aware of that. 13 Q. Yeah. Now they are debating on what the 14 proper op to do testing is — 15 A. Oh, really. 16 Q. — and therapies and all that, so. Okay. 17 So, you kind of encouraged mom to go get checked 18 out? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Okay. And fortunately it's come back 21 negative? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Is that something that was worrisome for 24 you or... 25 A. Yeah. You know, my mom means a lot tome. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 adct 1G Q. I apologize. A. That's okay. But she doesn't have her at the moment anymore. Q. Okay. So, how many is there biologic kids, I mean you are related to by mother or father? A. None. By both my mother and father, non:: Q. No. A. They are all step. Q. All step. Any half? A. Wait. Q. Half is one parent. A. Fin sony. Half, they are all half, not step. Pm sorry. Q. Not a problem. A. I'm a little tired today. Q. And again at any time if you misspeak and you need to correct, that's — A. Yeah, which I will probably will be doing Q. Please do. So, what are the names of your siblings? A. Okay. There is on my father side, that is M. He is 20 — I'm giving a guess because I have never met him. He is 27. I do speak to him on Facebook. He's 27. And he is by my father. And I'm not sure who the woman is. My dad didn't know about him 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 15 We've had our hard times but every mother and daughter does. Q. What's she do for a living? A. She actually used to work at a law firm for Searcy & Denney — Q. Okay. A. -- Scarola, Barnhart & Shipley. Q. I'm sorry. I missed that last part. A. Oh, it's Searcy, Denney, Scarola, Barnhart & Shipley. That's the law firm. It's all the names. Q. Gotcha. I'm not familiar with that firm. Is that down here? A. It's in West Palm Beach. I'm not sure. It was a while ago. I'm not sure exactly where it is. Pm horrible with directions. Q. That's— A. Yeah, but it's around the West Palm Beach area. Q. Okay. A. But now she is a stay-at-home mom because she has, including me, four kids. But she has three young kids. Q Okay. A. She recently was fostering her step-sister's daughter. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 11 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 17 until he was like eight years old. Q. Okay. A. Then there is me with my mother. And then there is my brother He is going to be 18. He is 17 at the moment. And then there is my sister, =. And she lives in Colorado. And she, I'm guessing. is nine. She's around the age of nine. I see her usually in the summers. Q. Okay. So, that's all on your father's side? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. And Mom's side? A. My mom's side is me and then there is which she's around the age of eight or nine also. Then there is which is adopted by the same woman as her it's her half-sister. Q. isA. Q. A. Yes. Q. Okay. °r n A. And then there which is two. Q. Okay. And is your mother's or adopted or... 5 (Pages 14 to 17) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723314 Page 18 1 A. No, that's my mother's. And then there was 2 M, but she's not with her anymore because she was 3 fostering her. 4 Q. Okay. was the foster? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Okay. 7 A. She was about one and a half. 8 Q. Now, I have a large number here, so 191 9 just kind of do a blanket statement. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. How are they health wise, any major health 12 problems in any of them? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Any major psychiatric problems or minor 15 psychiatric problems? 16 A. My brother, he had ADD. 17 Q. Which brother? 18 A. Pris, =, on my dad's side. 19 Q. Okay. How old was he when that 20 was diagnosed? Again ballpark 21 A. I think when he started grade school. Maybe 22 middle school. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. I'm guessing. I really honestly am not sure. 25 Pm guessing middle school. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 20 depression? A. It was when she was still in South Carolina. Fm going to say late 30's maybe. Q. Okay. And I know you were relatively young, but do you remember kind of what symptoms you noticed in her, or what others have told you was going on? A. She basically told me she was just, you know. stressed out to the max. And, you know, it was really hard for her at this age and stuff like that. It wasn't — I wasn't with her at that point. That was when I was living with my father and she was like calling me. Q. Okay. A. And letting me know things, and I think they prescribed her Xanax — Q. Okay. A. — which is to calm her down but she's not on anything anymore. She's better. Q. And how long of a period did that go on for? A. I honestly have no idea. Q. Okay. A. I mean, it wasn't for a long, long time. It was— Page 19 1 Q. Is he on any medicines that you're aware 2 of or... 3 A. He was on Ritalin. That's all I know. I 4 don't know what he is on now. I'm sure he is on 5 something still. 6 Q. Okay. Did it help? 7 A. Yes. He's very intelligent. It makes him 3 concentrate. I also have ADD. 9 Q. Okay. 10 A. I'm on Addaall which is why I'm in school at 11 the moment, because I usually don't take it when I'm not 12 in school. 13 Q. We had to do this on a Friday. I assume 14 that's because of the school schedule and childcare? 15 A. Yeah, I don't have school on Friday, so... 16 Q. All right. And your mother, does she have 17 any mental health problems or... 18 A. No. 1 mean, she has been through her -- she's 19 been depressed, you know, at some point. 1 mean, 1 20 don't know if you want to consider that mental health. 21 She just got depressed because she was overwhelmed with 22 all the kids at her age. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. But that's basically it. 25 Q. Roughly how old was she when she had the Page 21 1 Q. Are we talking a week, three weeks? 2 A. Oh, it was — 3 Q. a month? 4 A. It was about a couple months to maybe a year. 5 I'm guessing. I mean, I wasn't there at that point. 6 She didn't cligents it at all with me. She didn't want 7 me to worry, but, you know, she did bring it up a couple 8 times. 9 Q. Then it was more than just a bad week or 10 two? 11 A. Oh, yeah. 12 Q. Okay. Was she ever on any antidepressant 13 medications like Zolotl, Prone, Lexapro, Effexor, 14 CymbaIta? 15 A. I think she was, but I have no idea which one. 16 Q. Okay. Put down possible antidepressant 17 A. Yeah. I'm not, yeah, rd have no idea if she 18 really was. I mean, I'm sure she took something because 19 she mentioned something 1 don't remember. 20 . Q. Tell me a little bit about your step-dad. 21 M. you said? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Is it okay if I refer to him that way? 24 A. Yeah. That's what we call him, but is 25 his name. 6 (Pages 18 to 21) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723315 Page 22 2 A. But we call him M. A little bit about him. 3 He is younger than my mom. 4 Q. Okay. 5 A. And I don't — I think ifs by four or five 6 years. I'm not sure. Maybe two or three. I really 7 don't know. I'm guessing. 8 In the beginning when my morn first got 9 with him, I personally didn't like him because I was 10 very close to my mom. And I felt, you know, like, 11 jealous I guess you could say because it wasn't just 12 me and her anymore. It was him, you know, coming 13 because she didn't bring him around that much in the 14 beginning. Then we went — you know, when I was 15 three. 16 But, you know, she brought him more 17 around, you blow, a little bit later in life. And I 18 was jealous, and I really didn't like the fact that 19 he was there. But, you 'mow, [guess they got 20 serious at some point. And we just — he, he was 21 young at the time. He was in his 20's Pm guessing, 22 and I think he was — 23 Q. Not to sound funny but when you say 24 guessing, that can mean a lot of different things to 25 a lot of different people. So, if it's kind of like Page 24 1 know, he's fractured my eardrum that he's hit me so hard 2 because I said I didn't like him. You know, here and 3 there. It wasn't like a constant thing but it was when 4 he lost his temper. There was a couple times. 5 Q. Did you ever need to go to the hospital? 6 A. No. I went to the doctors for my ear though. 7 Q. And how is your hearing now? 8 A. It's fine. It was just a fractured eardrum 9 they said. But it, I couldn't hear out of -- I think 10 it I'm not sure — I think it was my right ear for 11 lilce a week, but it's fme now. 12 Q. Any other, and you said it's doing fine 13 now. I sometimes talk a little lower. I can 14 occasionally mumble. So, if I say something you 15 don't understand, let me know. 16 A. Okay. 17 Q. I'm happy to repeat it. 18 A. Okay. 19 Q. You can raise the volume if need be. 20 Okay. You said it wasn't like a daily thing, but 1 21 mean, can you give me a sense, I mean, was there 22 l0ce major episodes or was there a lot of minor 23 little episodes that — 24 A. Yeah, it was, it was mixed between both. It 25 was, there was minor episodes. It's not where he hit me Page 23 1 a good estimate -- 2 A. Uh-huh. 3 Q. — is that what you mean by guessing A. Yes. 5 Q. — or do you mean I am totally just 6 pulling a number out of the air? 7 A. He was in his 20's. 8 Q. Okay. 9 A. So, Pm — 10 Q. So, I will assume when you say he is 11 younger, I think, I'm guessing, that that's your 12 best estimate? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Okay. I just -- 15 A. He was in his 20's. And we didn't really get 16 along because, I mean, he's told me that basically I was 17 luggage to him. 18 Q. Okay. 19 A. Baggage, luggage, because he was young and he 20 just wanted my mother and I was just a tagalong. He has 21 told me that to this day. I mean, he has apologized for 22 it, but he was physically abusive. 23 Q. Okay. 24 A. Not to the point where he like, you know, 25 every day beat me. But when he lost his temper, you 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 25 but he would, you know, scream and brake things and throw my phone and stuff like that. And there was also times where he would, you know, hit me to where he got my mom to the point of, you know, asking me, do you want me to leave him. Q. Okay. A. And I just basically told her, I don't, I don't care anymore. I really don't. I mean, I didn't know what to do because I knew she wanted to be with him, and I didn't want to, like, break up them, but also on the other hand I was absolutely miserable. Q. Okay. A. And that's one of the reasons I moved out of South Carolina also. It wasn't just the school. It was a combination of, [just, both. So I just — because I was supposed to go back to South Carolina like for the following school year because they, you know, it was more about my mom had it more about the school issue. There was also to me about him and, you know, she didn't say very much to him, so I just never went back to South Carolina Q. Okay. Again, yeah, I'm just — so it's kind of like you went down to visit your father for the summer and -- A. Not to visit. I went to finish my eighth 7 (Pages 22 to 25) PROSE COURT REPORTING AGENCY, INC. EFTA00723316 Page 26 1 grade school year. 2 Q Okay. 3 A. Okay. I was supposed to go back for my high 4 school in South Carolina, but I didn't go back 5 Q. Okay. We're talking about the incidence 6 of domestic violence with your stepfather. The 7 serious episodes, are we talking like five, ten, 15, 8 20? 9 A. It was probably, I mean, it wasn't — 10 Q. Thirty, 100. 11 A. No, it wasn't that many. It was like really 12 horrible, like — there is one in particular that I 13 remember that when I said I didn't like him over the 14 phone, he was listening in on the conversation, he like 15 broke down the door and like ripped my TV out of the 16 wall and threw it down the stairs and basically, beat 17 the crap out of me, and that's when he fractured my 18 eardrum. 19 Q. Okay. How old were you when that 20 happened? 21 A. I was in — it was my -- I think it was the 22 beginning— oh, ballparking it? 23 Q. Ballparking it. 24 A. Seventh or eighth grade year in middle school 25 in Fort Lauderdale. Page 28 1 that's now they are all young. But he spanks them but 2 he treats them completely different now that you 3 know, I mean he's, he's apologized to me and sat me down 4 and told me that he was wrong with the way he raised me. 5 But I guess he was raised like that by his 6 father. Actually, it was worse the way his father 7, raised him, so that's all he knew I'm guessing. And 8 now that he has his owl kids, he sees now that's 9 horrible the way he raised me. 10 Q. Have you forgiven, or is it just you 11 appreciate the apology but — 12 A. I mean, ifs — I still feel like he keeps me 13 111w this, you know, from the family. You know, he — I 14 daft know. That's the way 1 feel. He says otherwise, 15 but there is just little things that make me feel like 16 he would rather me not be at his house, in his home like 17 living when I moved here for instance and I was staying 18 with them first when my husband first left on a 19 deployment. 20 Q. So, you actually went back up and stayed 21 with them for a little while and -- 22 A. Well, they are here now. 23 Q. Oh, they're back now? 24 A. So, they are in Boca. I'm sorry I should have 25 told you that. Page 27 1 Q. Okay. And again, just so I got the 1 2 timeline straight, you were in Fort Lauderdale since 2 eighth grade. Moved up to South Carolina You were 3