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grand Jury was asking him whether he was intimately ac-quainted. Concerning JULIUS ROSENBERG he stated that he
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was hired by this firm on April 13, l957, asan engineer and assigned to the company's
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by waldman 00., Inc., NYC, on contractto plan and construct cable for the NewYork subway system. This cable described //,.,é. as not vital to subway operation. PERL CC Tb j-I51 4
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This project also involves installation of certain_ -f_actual power lines between the lhird Avenue, Brooklyn, powerstation and another one on Kent Avenue, Brooklyn, to be used -.
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6?, It is the opinion or the KY6, after careful consideration,that an interview or PERL: wire at this particular time does not
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_f It is noted that PERL will be under Jurisdiction of the' Parole Board until December 6, 1957, and reports to that agencyregularly. It is felt that if Mrs. PERL should disclose to himthat she had been interviewed by Special Agents, there is apossibility that he would complain of "harrassment" to the ParoleBoard and/or others, perhaps complaining that such investigationat this time might jeopardize his status in his new job at aperiod when he is trying to get reestablished. also he might=_ seize such an opportunity in effort to embarsss the Bureau.
It is noted that there is no reason to believe that PERL; is aware that any investigation of him by the FBI has taken place' since he was released from prison, and that the investigativeadvantage gained from this in determining his current activities~ and associates is of some value. The actual extent and seriousness1' or the separation of PERL and his wife are not known, as yet,'- and there is no reason to feel sure that she would not tell hime' or any interview by Special Agents. E: -
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_! The indices of the Cleveland Office reflect the following information concerning Mrs. CAROL SCHAEFER SANDERS:5'§
* Mr. H. BURTON BRACY, Security-Officer, National Advisory/$Committee for Aeronautics. NACA!, 21000 Brookpark Road, '
Cleveland, Chio, wrote a letter to the Cleveland Office_ on Julg 8, 195k, and enclosed a photocopy of a letter5" dated uly 2, 195C, from "rs. CAROL SCHAEFER SANDERS,_ which was addressed to Mr. ABB¥SlLQERSTEIN, the7 Associate Director of NACA, Cleveland. 1, I,.
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NACA she took a teaching job with the Dade County Board ofInstruction in Miami, Florida, and subsequently she returnedto the Cleveland area and worked for a short time with the 5Bingham Company. She denied having had any personal contact ior correspondence with PERL after she left NACA; Mrs. SANDERSstated that she knew of PERL's conviction and imprisonment "
when she wrote a letter to ABE SILVERSTEIN concerning him,and sgfh'that she did this only because she had 11596 asstat NACA and she felt that she might bc of some help in hisrehabilitation when he is released from prison. She also
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Case N0. 653822, Petition for Divorce, filed inthe Court of Common Pleas, Cuyahoga County, Cleveland, aschecked by SA JOSEPH W. MONTEFIORE on December 9, 1957, re-flected that CAROL M. SANDERS, H175 West 206th Street,Fairview Park, Ohio, filed a divorce action on November 3,1953, against.ROBERT F; SANDERS, 2267 Pepperwood Avenue, "Long Beach, California. This petition reflected that she wasmarried on April 22, 1950, in Cleveland, ohio, and there wasone child named ROBERT F?~$ANDERS, Jr., age two years. TheCourt of Common Pleas granted a divorce to CAROL H. SANDERS
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and enclosed a photocopy of a letter dated July 2, 1954,
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Ceveland, Ohio. In this letter, SANDERS advised that" - _.'",>_ L ,_ she" was a friend of_PERL's.' -She stated she had lost§:3;;.3¥-_§.;_rfr=;_..fIIack oi him and was very-much concerned abou_t_ and_='-,_.'3£;;;j?_1-;?<;;3|q;s:;;-,;f;_ *=5_-_i;_-;,~;§., requested" that she}-1be; shed,-.his§ _addreee__. ¢;:§§=.3;.-, §~;;;,._;_vr';_.'=a.;;;*-*;-,1j?;-ii;,=';"; i '1¬$§1_1*'.1.'}=3":'*T1":7§**=. =:5*'i°"~i*"<~*'-2-'§"On October 14, 1953+, ?SANDERS ~wss interviewed1'1???Ft?-?*'~~"i'%r1"?Ft?5F31";-_':-1-,?'1-" at Hiram, Ohio, by sa KENNETH c. sows, and stated she"-had worked at the NACA in Cleveland for about 18 months ' -. _."!E&';-.'=:_.-92_"f] in 19118 and 1949, and became acquainted with WILLIAM, I -1 ' * e ,-12-f PERL. She stated that her contact with him wasnot - Ir'%¥§.:.:é."§*_._._"',-intimate]and .her conversations with I.hi1n_ -were 101 .;a - :casual1'.j.5.;",-;§3;I:; 1;-1I@',_ _. nature. She advised that she had never had any political-"..-*"'-33'1-}§=ff{_,;_.Q5; -- discussions with PERL'and-she was very surprised whsng-_-~;:=;"g1j;?-¢_e;1;;~£;§-=:-,.-.1-".'§_F-.;~_:;_' she read the publicity ofhis invo_lve.ment_or_alleged ,;_ _, 1je_;§;_";i1~_;.",';__.~_:,'.'.,-=£.*1,"'""*> *1'¥-f"~.involvment"with those suspected otfespionage or Communist' activity. She denied any personal contact orccrrespond-,
' A once with PERL after she left the NACA. She said she_ had written to him at Leuisburg Penitentiary! but she . / _, f_ _never received any reply from him. She stated she did ' . --_.§'1-!/-,'1J"-_?4,171==_ef~,-}-9;?->'-not-.ln1ow any of -PERL's associates and lcnew nothing-of'*1r;,*;>_'r3Q;L'.-;-aria-~'-;§=:I-;E=;}§-ii;j1"'his -in¥91§rement,'_in_" Coyninunist./tacti:vity.";-ff-;_;;'f _;;J{§~ ~w mwc _1r..-r41 *;--l ~ /ya; -/8,1121-7*; 1-! /9"/" bf ~ *1.."n,| -I511 '1l.-1,55,-3: -2:,-.-;_ _ __ . .- _- 1 - ' . " _ . _ . .'-,1;-.'
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_'.__*--_ReBulet 3/S/S8JandANY_ let 3/11/58. - - '1_| ._.. _|_.|, ._';-_§;:'ri' ' It was detern1ined'th|rough'investigation onli/3/SB, thaii_4.*_~.;-___.f';' -,;"=-PERL began -visiting his wife in a r i " ' " ' _ _ pp ox mately mid-March, 1955 'aend moved back to reside with he t . . , I a e? West 92nd St. NYC, On "h?h':d$$_-;J.|A,/_2/5Bf.*==i,i*Io interview oi-'PERL!Swi1e, HENRIETTA, will be conducted. -- >",' ,1.-:'~'.:,-i. -. J ' " 3.. It has been determined that PERL is now employed at the _jg-¬,i,Goldwater Hospital, Welfare Island, NY, in a laboratory operated '£_.}_by New_ York University. He is doing physiological reee_aroh,work. -1 .a.:;?_~..' _. - - ' - . A - -.§:§=-,.; :1 -1 J - ' ' _ 'ii "Form FD 122,_ reflecting this as well as his change -o£92=»*.;_!T92-;¢_ -" -Z.§;§a_dd-re_se-.is- being submitted to the Bureau immediately. F';:..; 4 -~.--1=@¢;;1':. - i '
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until KANTROWITZ and PRIMAKOFF interviewed re
JONESes. Noted St. Louis did not receive
copy of this teletype!.2!
San Francisco airtel to Director 3/5/58 requestingphoto of EMANUEL DAVID LOCKE, was., a suspect
for unsuh,be shown KANTROHITZ. 43!
4! WFO airtel to Director 3/7/58 requesting Boston-display photo of LEONID SEDOV to KANTROWITZ andinterview KANTROWITZ re his contacts with SEDOV.
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bject was interviewed in the Boston Office by Special 1e Agsseesm1csAsL J. no oossos and snwssn J. nuns. JR. as
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KANTROWITZ advised on 3/ll/58 that he was not acquainted
with WILLIAM PERL prior to the time PERL became employed
at NACA, Langley Field, Virginia. It is to be noted that
KANTROWITZ stated that he knew PERL under his birthname A
WILLIAM MUTTSHPERL while at Langley Field. KANTROWITZ
was unable to specifically recall the circumstances or the
occasion when he met PERL. It is noted PERL began employ»
ment at Langley Field Q/5/39. D
KANTROWITZ stated that in A/39, PERL was.working in the
Full Scale Tunnel PST!. KANTROwIT2,during this period,was working in the Variable Density Tunnel vow! on a fusion
reactor. KANTRCWITZ felt that because he had official
reasons to visit the FST on occasion, he was most probably
introduced to PERL on one of these occasions. KANTROWITZ
also stated that there was a small physics group in the FST
in which he occasionally participated along with SAM KATZOFF
who worked in the FST and that it was possible that at a
meeting of this group he met PERL through KATZOFF.
KANTROWITZ advised that he played handball while at Langley
at an indoor court which was located near Langley Field. he
was unable to positively identify the location, but statedit wggapossibly Fort Munroe. He recalled that PERL alsoplay handball with mutual friends and that his meeting
with PERL could have occurred here. KANTROWITZ identified
HERBERT PASS and EUGENE MANGANIELLO as other handball
players. other Langley employees also played, but KANTROWITZ
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rties a few times each year while PERL was at Langley. _ese parties were attended by mutual friends. KANTROWIT ' -
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Th m t of SA WILLIS A. BENNER dated 9/1/56 at Richmond
in the AEAA investigation of KANTROWITZ reflects that
the records at the Extension Division, University of Virginia,
reflect that KANTROWITZ attended classes from 2/3/B2 until
5/28/42 under Instructor BRICE L. HICKS. -"can
KANTROWITZ stated that he recalled attending these classes
under BRUCE HICKS. In addition, KANTROWITZ stated that he
taught classes in Physics Thermodynamics and KineticTheory of Gases! for the Extension Division of the University
of Virginia during l9l or l9H2. The classes for the first
semester were held in the High School in Newport News, Virginia
and for the second semester in his own home which was at
the residence of ROBERT JONES in Hampton, Virginia. -He
recalled that he had approximately eight students in the
first semester and three in the second. It was KANTROwITZ'
recollection that PERL attended classes taught by him.
KANTHOWITZ said that he and PERL never worked on any NACA
projects together and that they had no official connection
in their duties. KANTROWITZ stated that PERL was an occasional
visitor to the residence of JONES and himself. KANTROWITZ
recalled that PERL upon receiving his transfer from Langley
to the NACA Installation in Cleveland, Ohio, told him that
he was glad to be leaving Langley because he could get into
more interesting work at Cleveland. KAHTROWITZ was unable
to provide any details of this conversation.
It is to be noted that PERL was transferred to NACA, Cleveland
effective 12/21/43.
During l9hH and l9R5, KANTROWITZ visited NASA, Cleveland,
on a few occasions on official business and met and talkedwith WILLIAM PERL within the NACA Installation. KANTHOWITZ
stated<that at this time he personally was working on.asupersonic compressor and that he gave talks on his work at
NACA in Cleveland. He stated that PERL very probably entered
into the discussions on this project which was subsequentlytakenaauer by NACA at Cleveland, ~r . __ g;**~., .
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He laimed that he never knew the exact residences of . '
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said he had no recollection of having any direct communica-tion with WILLIAM PERL by way of correspondence or telephonebut stated that they undoubtedly met on occasion atscientific meetings such as meetings of the American Physical
Society. .
KANTROWITZ advised that in the summer of l9T while WILLIAM
PERL was an assistant to Professor THEODORE VON KARMAN atColumbia University, VON KARMAN was interested in finding
a university location for PERL to work. KANTROWITZ washimself at that time a professor at Cornell University andclosely associated with Professor WILLIAM E. SEARS. c
KANTROWITZ described SEARS as a former student of VON KARMAN.It was his recollection that VON KARMAN and SEARS worked out arrangements whereby WILLIAM PERL was permitted to workat Cornell University at Ithaca,.New York for the summer of1987. This work, in part, consisted of working as a consultantunder VON KARMAN on the Tullahoma, Tennessee Project. While _at Cornell, KANTROWITZ claimed PERL never stayed at his home
which was located at 135k State Street, Ithaca. He was an
occasional visitor only.
During this period summer of 19%?! KANTROWITZ was preparingfor his examinations for a Ph.D. degree which he obtained from
Columbia University in October, l9h7. WILLIAM PERL was,during this period, also preparing for I Ph.D. examinationsto be taken at Columbia University. KANTROWITZ said he was
in possession of some copies of past examinations given by.Columbia for this degree which he utilized in his own studies
and eventually gave to PERL for his use. It was KANTROWITZ'
recollection that he sent these copies of past examinationsto WILLIAM PERL by mail in care of the Department of Physics
at Columbia University.
KANTROWITZ advised that when he took the Ph.D. examinations
at Columbia in October, 19M7, he stayed at the King's CrownHotete&ocated on West ll6th Street near Columbia University, erreNe York City. During the examination period, he had no ' 3
co tact with WILLIAM PERL since his exams extended from __
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at In6?~Cleveland, reflected that on B/2Q/QB he visited
that installation and indicated the person he wished to see
was ABE SILVERSTEIN. He was asked if, on this occasion,
he met with WILLIKM PERL. He stated that he is not sure,
- but may have casually met PERL in the corridors at NACA.
He did remember that on that visit he dined in the evening -
with ABE SILVERSTEIN alone.
. The information in PERL's personal file indicating that he _
visited Cornell University October 12 and 13, 19H was brought
to KhNTROwITZ' attention. He_stated that he recalled this
visit by PERL wherein PERL delivered lectures at Cornell.
He said that PERL during the visit stayed overnight at the
, home of Professor WILLIAM R. SEARS located on Valley Road
in Ithaca, New York. '
KANTROWITZ recalled that at SEARS home, PERL discussed a
philosophy of life which included a very strange mixture of
political ideas. PERL emphasized spiritual rather than
material things. KANTROWITZ could not recall any details
of the discussion. His only lasting impression of PERL's
conversation is that it contained an odd collection of
- weird ideas and a strange outlook on life.
KANTROWITZ also stated that he recalls meeting WILLIAM PERL
at Columbia University in January, 1951 at a scientific
meeting which was probably under the auspices of the American
Physical Society. PERL, he stated, was an instructor at
Columbia at the time. His only recollection of conversation
f with PERL on this occasion was that PERL told him that he
was happy to be out of classified work.
KANTROHITZ was asked to furnish all the details surroundinghis exegtion of an affidavit in 1950 for WILLIAM PERL. He
~ stated that he had some information in his personal files
relative to this incident which he would make available to
the Special Agents on March 12, l958.
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ALFRED SARANT MICHAEL SIDOROVICH
WELDON BRUCE DAYTON . VIVIAN GLASSMAN
MAX ELITCHER LEONID R. KVASSNICOV
MORTON SOBELL " KLAUS FUCHS .
JULIUS ROSENBERG HARRY GOLD
JOEL BARR DVAID GREENGLASS
KANTROWITZ stated he was not personally acquainted with any
of the above. He had read newspaper accounts in which some
of these persons were mentioned.
KANTROWITZ positively stated that WILLIAM PERL at no time
ever mentioned to him any of his espionage or Communist -
activities. KANTROHITZ stated that he, in turn, never at -
any time disclosed to PERL his involvement in espionage.
KANTROWITZ stated that when he traveled from Langley, Virginia
to his position in Ithaca, New York, he never visited
WILLIAM PERL in New York City or any place else. He stated
that while at Langley Field, he had no recollection of ever -
traveling with WILLIAM PERL, but would not absolutely exclude
possible trips on the same train to New York where they
both had parents. y
KRNTROWITZ stated that he never had engaged in any formal
study of the Russian language at Langley or any place else.
On a few occasions while at Cornell University, he tried
informal study from textbooks. KANTROWITZ knew nothing
about PERLs study of the Russian language.
On 3/l2/ 8, KANTROWITZ produced a letter addressed to him
by WILLIAM PERL dated 4/13/50 in which PERL asked for an
affidavit. The letter is as follows: .
"l6902 Larchwood Ave.
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normal these days. It seems that, in investigating me for
AEC clearance, the FBI uncovered 'information' which is "
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University inl£!;in l9H6-#8. These 'charges' are untrue and
my conscience is quite clear. However, I now have the
problem of proving my innocense beyond a legal doubt. To
this end, a statement of opinion on your part concerning
my political beliefs, loyalty, etc. would be greatly helpful.
If you do not care to do this, it's quite all right and
no hard feelings; etc. If you do, this so-called affidavit
v should be notarized and sent to me. It should contain as
much detail as you have patience & memory to set down.
"Partly as a result of the preceding situation I now long
actively for university life again. I look forward to
. hearing from you in general and in particular. Needless to -
say, thanks.
"Yours,
/s/ BILL"
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"State of New York '
County of Tompkins S.S.
City of Ithaca
' "Arthur Kantrowitz; being duly sworn, deposes and says:
"that he has known William Perl for more than ten
years. They have had discussions on many subjects, including
political questions. As a result of these discussion, he
is sure that Perl has no Communistic leanings whatever. He
believes-that Mr. Perl's general frame of mind is,on the
contrary, very liberal and very antagonistic to the restraints
of civil liberties inherent in the Communist system. :He
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"that Mr. Perl has made valuable scientific ' '
butions, which are of importance in the defense
effort of this country. .
"that it is very desirable to have him cleared of
these unfounded charges as soon as possible so that he
may continue his valuable work.
Arthurmhantrowitz
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It is to be noted that the original affidavit was dated April22, 1950. ' '
KANTROWITZ said that he dictated this affidavit to Miss ALICE
ANTHONY, Secretary to Professor WILLIAM SEARS at Cornell.
He said the affidavit was his own composition and that some ofthe ideas and wordings were prompted by PERL's letter. He
enclosed no other note with the affidavit when he mailed it to
PERL. He said that after mailing the affidavit he had no
further correspondence concerning it with PERL. He said hedoes not recall any details regarding whether it was notarized
and by whom.
when questioned about the statement in the affidavit that he
had political discussions with PERL, KANTROWITZ said that hehad obviously overstated himself. What he meant and what hisbest recol action was on this point referred to the discussionin the hpgbf Professor SEARS in October, l98. He repeatedthat that discussion was more concerned with PERL's outlook onlife from a philosophical standpoint rather than any straightpolitical discussion. He said that PERL had completely concealedhis ac§i%i;ies and political beliefs from him and SEARS and y* *felt the e had been badly "used" by PERL
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KAN _ g Ladvised that THEODORE VON KARMAN recruited several
individuals to assist him as consultants on the Tullahoma,
Tennessee Project which is also known as the Arnold Engineering
Development Center. Among these were JOHN WILD who is still
at Tullahoma; WILLIAM PERL; KANTROWITZ, who was assisted by
some of his students; Professor WILLIAM SEARS; and R. S.
TSIEN, a Chinest Physicist, formerly associated with California
Tech in Pasadena, and others. KANTROWITZ said TSIEN is now
hack in China and his specialty is in the field of Gas Dynamics,
the same as his own. KANTROWITZ advised that Sverdrup and
Parcel of St. Louis were the designers for the Tullahoma ,
Project and were the actual employers of the consultants.
Later, ARO was the employer because they were made a subsidiarygargygrggugsgng Parcel. TSIEN possibly identical with
KANTROWITZ stated that he had no recollection thatwILLIAM PERL
was an officer in either the AASW or the FAEOT. -He had a vague
recollection that PERL was a member of the FAEOT.
It is noted PERL was arrested for perjury in New York City on
3/13/51 and was sentenced to five years on Q/5/53. Sometime
subsequent to PERL's conviction, KANTROWITZ received a letter
at Ithaca, New York, from PERL's wife whom he had never met.
The letter asked KANTROWITZ to write to the judge urging
leniency for PERL in his sentence. KANTROHITZ did not write
to the judge, nor did he reply to Mrs. PERL.
KANTROWITZ stated that he recalled Dr. THEODORE VON KARMAN
was engaged as a consultant on a problem concerning the Aswan
Dam in Egypt. To the best of his recollection, VON KARMAN's
interest in this dam project was concerned with the problem
of the effect of wind blowing on sand. He said that since
WILLIAM PERL was VON KARMAN's assistant, it would be quite
natural dr'PERL to be also engaged in consultant work on this
project. However, he had no personal knowledge of PERL being
so engaged. He said that he had no i
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