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5- . . _,,~" 3 DONALD SYLVESTER MURPHY represented'himself to be the petsdg ;~,.',,,
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L Jr. 10 defraud, and for obtaining money by means of false and §§§;2 1 S 92 _ . _.". g'_ ., 1 . ' ~_"»r' : . i_ _ 4 Yr.-.',;v¬? JP: 2 3&1 _.. ' ls _ l:_g:_ > ->-r 1*A§ 12 induce Karl Fleming to travel in, and be transpozted it *{@]., _ I !i'f»,!._ ' 4 - ;_ » ' !é 13 W interstate commerce from Los Angeles,'Califcrn1a to sCQ:Ll§§§ F - , *@$?E . 13;, 14 4 Washington, within the_Nestern District of Washington, in§§%§
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.c ~ 19 " ¥d~§=9 I COUNT II LEQQ;-. ., . . Q Q V L if 1?: V, l. The United States Attorney realieges ail of .ha§?;;*5 21 ' . - . , . U §¬§f},*. allegations contained in Count I, paragraphs l tnrougn ;,;§§,_ 22 '. . . - ;3¥?;~1 I of this Information. . -g§a§5"» -if
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arl Fleming. .
defendants performed the following overt acts:
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- Ricltnn :.d, Calif.. December 1972. vol. 41,
N0. 12. p. 2. CJ
;. Centralization of State Law linforcement
.1.iu=..t=.'t" ..:_: 9292s?. 1 . tux"
G Agencies, by 11011. James .1. Hegarty, Di-
rector, Arizona Department of Public
Safety, Phoenix, .~92riz., May'1972, vol. 41. 1;2'_i92'o. 5, - 6.:31adio Communications Department Serves
1 4
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18Law Enforcement in North Dakota, by
Aldrell G. Brose, Director, North Dakota
Bisma N. Dale. April 1972, vol. 41.
No. 4, p. 25. '
Qa
-Qlonselitisting Etforts To Control Drug~t§i.1..=' *:92!*-t'._-.-.
Z1 §Abuse. by Ronald l!. Kuest, Chief 1n-
2 2 92'cstigr.t<-r, Drug Control Assistance Unit,
".ttr~ltlX.!:iut92 St.--- Patrol, Olympia, '. =1-15ZF,§l";t.~l| f.:nuarj-' 1972, ml. 41. Nu. 1, p. 10.
Bl l.a9292' Enforretm-nt 'l'rainin__- .-'1tlvisory
*5 Committee Convt-ztes. Nove-n1bcr 1972,
26 vol. 41, No.11, p. 14.
§7.921ol1ile Firing Range. December 1972, vol.
wg 41, No. 12, p. 15.
1 _q.92lock D.~a=ter Training: Program, by Wil-
~
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1I liam I. Sampson, Training O1<-er, Dado
O Counv Public Safety Departntent. Miami,
1 17111., January 1972 vol 41, _92'.t_ 1_ ;_1_ 1___
Z.92lODEl - -:92lobile On-Duty Llectronic
3 Lean. '2 by Capt. John G. Parsons, Po-
: lice Department. iieaumont, 'l'ex., May
1972, 41, No. 5. p. 19.$The Pm. -2 Otlicer: Primary 'l'arget of the
l.71'b.1n Guerrilla, 1"<-bruary 1972, vol. 41,
- N0. 2 ,.. 21.
-3Versatitt- instruction. by Cliarlt-s 11. Skillcn.
3 Director. Montana Law Enforcement
, Aeadt .1. Bozt-man. Mont" December
"' 1972. vol. 41, No. 12. p. 21.
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192l'C3> by Hon. Emery W. Chapple, .lr.,Radio Cornntunications Department,, ' ,..~._..-_ ---.-.~ -_Tram l'wii<-ing»- 1-1-or Years l.atcr. Police Legal Unit, by E92-1!. D. Heath,. - - ' ' 1 - ' _q - . - - -.lr., Director of Police, Crtntnal Iusttce
lnlcrlace Division, Police lleparttnent.
Dallas, Tex., August 1972, vol. 41, No.
8, p. 22.
A Return to Ncigltborhood Police, by Ed-
ward C. McArdle, Chief of Police, and
William N. Betjcmann, Coordinator, Of-
ce of Crime Control, Albany. N.Y., July
.9722, vol. 41, No. 7, p. 8.
The Special Operations Group. by Capt.
William R. .92loom:y, Police Department.
llticago, 111., April 1972, vol. 41, No. 4,
p. 11.
The Stark County MEG Unit.'t Response
to Fragmented 1.5.1 Enforcement, by
David D. Dowd, _lr., Stark County Pros-
ecuting Attorney, Canton, Ohio, Septem-
ber 1972, vol. 41, N0. 9, p. 13.
S92VA'l'-Tl1e Les .-9211;!c1cs Police Special
Weapons and Tactics T Zt1ttS, by C. N.
Beck, Police Department, Los Angeles,
Calif., April 1972, vol. 41, i92o. 4, p. R;
1" " f92'1il .l.92llt1.92I92'
Attorney General .921itcl1el1 Dctlieates Los
Angeles Police Mcritorial, .92larcl1 1972,
vol. 41, N0. 3, p. 15.
"Fricttdly Town." by Willirnn Brey, Chief of
Polin-, llunville. lll., April 1972, vol. ll.
292'<».4, p. 16.
.92Iy Uniformed Parislt. by Rev. R. .1o.=e;1l1
Dooley. Chaplain, .92lctr0politan Police
11t|1t'1t92'tCt92l, 9292'asl1in,_t:ton. D.C., October
1/'72, vol. 41. 3'0. 10, p. 3.
Opt'r3llOl't Respect. March 1972. vol. 41, 192'o.
I1, 11. 111.
A Return to Neigltliorltood Police, by Ed-
ward C. .92lcArtlle, Chief of Police, and
9292'illiam l92'. 11etit-mann, Coordinator, Of-
tlce of Crinw. Control, Albany. 192'.Y., luly
1972, vol. 41, .92'o. 7. p. 8.
Si."lc-liy-Side. by lnsp. Claude W. Dove,
Director. Community Relations Division,
Police Department, Washington, D.C.,
.92Iay 1972, vol. ll, No. 5, p. 16.
TOP Program Strengthens Police-Youth
111-lations, .921a1'clt 1972. vol. 41, No. 3. p.
20.
Youtlts Form Statewide Law Enforcement5_'_'I-'..'~.-L" 1."-'»'¢'_=_l.l->~-.;i'7l-1--1"ir-~§L§'-i1l;Ji¥¢_"-¢2_ C ' iin-"L:-4-;.-;.:.¢'j._;.l._:iSL1. .....i-_-.'JaL-1...£..-""" "7.5,._._,<_-___-----'?,. __ ._.. . ,_.-ow-_=,-~.~~, , __., .-'2: yr . ~ _ ,. - ..,.~,~..92..,..~. ».,~.-/t. -, - ~_ .. . .. :1.-i; . -.:. . 1 .4 _ 1 . . . ~":w~-".>~"-'::- '='--57':-"11-ii-..iTf"1"9=1:=-3"-3.? H ; . ~ . 5 . " " ' r»-' - : -.11 2*" "~21 *.-a~~r " -~ r 1 - .2;/__-;*_-_-{pr-,s.e~q»,=,»s.&<.¢.-,t<:§.;~¢~:2»g=>.-4;,-.;¢;.e;-..;=¬_ =-:-...-_-_. , ,. -. -.-- -, -_ -_ .1_ ;_ -. , _ ,_ ,._- V . _92 4;] ;;.;'__ . -...-'.; 5-~_.'/-1-{.1-_-.= 21 -'3 '.-,.,.v~»/H;-.._~.92 _1_ .__»r¢» Q :~¥..._'92-§,'$ - . . .. . .1 . - en?
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D.D.S., Consultant in Forensic-Dentistry.
'Oflice of Cnici Medical 1.'.~car1ti:17.-r, 192~;w
York, N.Y., August 1972, vol. .1, Ne. o,
p. 6.
1.;1boratory Exztinirtations of P21-are-Re1aw.'
Evidence. May 1972, vol. 41, No. 5, p. 19'.
The Role of the Forensic Patliole 5151. in Ar-
son and Related 1n92'c.=tigatior.1. by Irvizt
:921. Soplter, M.D., D.D.S., Lieutenant Co-
lonel, U5. Army Medical Corps, Acre-
spacc Pathology Branch, Armed Fo::-c-
1n-zitute of Pathology, Wasltington, 1_3.t'.'..
September 1972, vol. 41, No. 9, p. 8.
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Air Disaster Recovery Operati-;-ns in Rt-
mote Areas, by Hon. Emctj-' W. Chappft-,
Jr.. Commissioner. Alaska De,'».trtrnc:.: Ii
Public Safety, Juneau, Alaska, lune 1972,
; 92ol..4>1, No. 6, p. 16.
Bloodbounds: A Tool in Law Enforcement,
by Leo J. Castle, Special Dep.tty Slterigi
of Camden County, Cantden, I92.1.. §"'.',
1972. ml. 41, No. 5, p. 26.
Mock Disaster Training Pro;:'..-2.1. by 92'i1.~
liam C. Sampson. Trahin; Ciieer. Dad:
County Public Safety iztzphfltfi.
, .92lian".i, Fla., January 1972. 92o1. '1-1. 1927o. 1..
p. 15.
Policing the 92V:11erfront, by i.o11i's Dent-
schmann. Superintendent. iiarbcr Pei ;
iJrp.1rtn1ent, Z92'cw Orleans. 1.2., Oeto . -r
1972. vol. 41, N0. 10, p. 18.
A Program for Hit-and-Rur. 1"'1t:1tit.:1.,, 1.3
E41 -ard 1.. Wright. .1r., Chi-if of Polkr.
Montgomery. .92la., Scpternher 1972, 92-.11.
41, No. 9. p. 16. _ _ _, _
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Weapons ar.:l Tactics Teams. by C. Ti.
Beck, Police Dcp.1rtmcnt. 1.05 Artgt.-les.
Calif., April 1972, vol. 41, No. 4, p. 8.
T-.-l1'92l.=¬ Banking: Detcrrcr.- to Crime. by
Lonnie L. Blancltard, Vice Prcsitlcnt and
Cashier, lmemational Cir} E1;11k :r._'".
Trust Company. New Oric-ans, 1.:1..
92'en1l1er 1972, vol. 41, No. 11. p. 16.
Trziilz-rs Aft" '.- empting Targets ff-1' Tltiwfcs.
Attgnst 1972. vol. 41, 192'o. S. p. 10.: 4* _ . _,;~> . ",> v L -,' -A,
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A lone white male using the name
Dan Cooper boarded Northwest
Orient Airlines Flight No. 305 at
Portland, Oreg., on No92'e|11ber 211-,
1971. At approxinmtely 3:22 p.m.,
nnile the ight was en route to Seat~
tie. Wasln, he indicated to a stew-
az'- ess that his briefcase contained a
bomb which would blov. up the plane
unless his demands were met.
The. hijacker demanded $200,000
an-I four parachutes in exchange for
safety r.-f the 36 passengers
alanard the plane. When the aircraft
landed at Seattle, Northwest Orient
Airlines complied with his instruc-the
..s. After he received the parachutes2,4'>"and money, the hijacker allowed all
passengers and two of the airline
stewarrlesses to rleplane.
lle then ordered the remaining crew
members into the rst-class section of
the aircraft and informed them he
desired to lly to Mexico City. The hi-
jar-ker instructed that the plane pro-
ceed in a southerly direction and y at
a low altitude and slow speed which en-
ahlc-cl the rear door of the plane to be
opened durilig the ight. 4". All~ . I'.»¬; U7.
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somewhere between Seattle and Reno,
Ne92'., where, when the plane lavz?leti_ it
was determined that Cooper, two
parachutes, and the ransom money
had disappeared.
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Artist conception drawings
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FBI Exhibits Section and are con-
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describetl as follows:of the
in the
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~g_- But?Cooper?the_ name the hiiaelzer used "at Portland
w'hen_', hoa'rding:~. Flight'£No._ V305. Nflbiw-"3
transcontinental "milk run" whichemanated at National
Airport» in, Washington, -D.C.-has evaded his_ would"he
eaptors_.with tbr__sanre,s_tyle;a'nd elan he exhibited in
pullingithe most hiaarrezqapfr. in_;_the_ h_ist_o_ry of aerial
3; GoadedThy publie'adoration' of the pskytaeker, and
i ranltled almost to tears such'Coo erntaniacal items as if; by 3 F . » - I
' }'§:hallads fD.B.l Cooper,'lWhere§_Are You Now"!. D.B.
';";'_ Cooper sweatshirts, 'and even memorial bikini panties,
fé. the Seattle office of the _FBI has _;worn to scour every
fzinch of terrain between-Sea-Tac and Reno to track
jgdown their man. At this writing it looks very much as if
,1; Mr. Hoover: r_nim'ons may have to do exactly that. - .1* _e media has been iust as eager for clues to Cooper:
-ljw reahouts, his true identity, his motives. Locally, the
2 P-I'offered a $5,000 reward under their Secret Witness
crime ghter series. The Seattle, Times. while gently
chiding editorially those who would adulate Cooper, has
pretty much kept its hutton-down cool about the whole
fthing, ' _ _ '. .l
.5. Now, into this lacuna-flied tangle of pop heroism,
electronic legend and FBI fumbling, steps the Seattle
I~FlagT with an authentic, ]irst'person, totally,ex_clusive
interview with D. B. Cooper himself! "
.Elsewhere in this issue we have explained something
about how that worldwide scoop was phtained, and the
lengths to which the Flag is prepared to go to protect
the anonymity of D.B. Cooper". In no way do we
either condone or condemn Cooper: crime; our task is
to simply report the news, from any viable source.
All we promised, in return for this interview, was that
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eyewitnesses don't They were fteen poundsand
two inches off. And that artist's picture stunk. lf.I were
a vain man, _l_'d suehim lfor libel. But I've got, no _r_e_ason
to complain;;. '_ Q _ j _ -,_',; 3
-ANON: Whyare you here, of all places? ; »;;;'.- ',_.;'_i___ ' COOPER: Why not? _ - ; 4 '-'
=" ANON: Well. the papers say you're. in Mexico, or
COOPER; And that's where theauthorities are
_looking, ' right? __ You ' -don't escape just .ei§_nan'g*
_bordcrs;' look at James Earl Ray. The trick is not to be
where they think you'll be For instance, th didn't . - Y
- "expect anyone to hijack a plane in the Northwest, and
they didn't expect a parachutist, and... well, I'm sure
you catch my drift, I'm not in Mexico or South America
yet, so don't believe everythin you read in the pa ts.
skyjacking? ' - l
-COOPER: A year, six months. I had the notion foi a..
long time, but I didn't start the ground work until June.
Something happened which made me think it was time
to do it. u
' ANON= What was that? _ _ , - ,
COOPER: Skip it.. It would take too long to explain._ _
ANON: Tell us how you got the idea.
COOPER=.lt came to lmc while I was watching TV.
Hijackers before me had always been first class fools.
Can you imagine anything more stupid than risking the
death penalty because you .want to go to Cuba right
now'Z-Hell, you want to go to Cuba, charter a boat, or go
to Mexico.~Their airline isn't so badtr
~_;=f: a staira,and the
SouthArnerica. _» " 4, '. " ,- ° O . . 4'. Qt. '»?lIt'hin1tI"read=.lhad
1 .' would have had quite tting into
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a bit su_spicio_us,if Iliad some ,aholt l_1iri
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jump immediately after you opened the
' ,COOPERi_ Hell, no.1 'Ihat,would have
dead giveaway. I had ,to wait until I
' touchdown area. This is where the FBI screwed up
'5 At the "appropriate" time I went back pastall
empty seats to the stairs, Christ, it was noisy. Next
' Ill have something better than ltlceneat for car
tried to walk down all thestairs. About the tenth
think it was, I stepped off, It was alllwindafter that. ' ,
" ANQN= _Were you aware that planes were
- the Northwest 727? g. , _ _ 4 _- J
' ' COOPER: Yes, I couldn't ace them lin the
- during mylfall, but there is NO way I could miss
them once I bailed out._',Knowing how close McChord
_ _ . 3' iii to Sea-Tac, I would have _h_ad to be awfully stupid riot
These guys who get so worked up about politics are, _: f figure.on_having company as we ew south down
A sick. '_ -, v._*.,- _ Y , _' - - ' .'<,:-fE_§'7.;_23. Itiwas a calculated risk_._Th'at is why I jumped in
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traveling on, and, at least approximately, what the winds -
were. A man doesnt necessarily" need a computer. V' ON : How did you get from your landing spot to
l ' I sn t the terrain between Seattle and Reno pretty ~ .
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ANON: Can I ask you whether you "hadan'
accomplice on the ground?. ' . _ _. '
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out. What attracted you to the plane as
parachute skyjack? -a * ",
COOPER: First of all,l,the;alignment
Pratt,& Whitney engines-two on the sides of the rear _
fuselage and the third at the base of the T-tail assembly. .,
l also liked the down-flaps stalling speed. One hundred Av
and nine "miles ' per h0l.lll':;. to be exact. Risky, but L3,? '=v=ry;' stiff L on unemployment from ._
jumpable. Then l figured in the small crew; three on the
ight deck and the three stewardesses. Two central '
galleys and the wardrobes with two 'crappers to the ' ,
~"j§:{:.;"..=..l~";i". ._;_.=.T-1.tt--- rear. l figured those mighl: come in handy as a__ place to, you. lwant t0 tell you right MW, and put. it capital
hold a stewie hostage..As it turned out. lwas right. l can
. even tell you the number of passenger seats, right down"'; ,_-ICOOPER Yeah, one of
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abreast. Sixty-six tourist seats, six abreast; -.:; .. , .-
;:s., _ANON: What about you.r exit? _' _ _, __. .
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COOPER: I've read the papers,watcl1ed
of.that. Pvefread that l'm a non-herof, av
anti-hero, and 'a plain old hero hero. The
who beat the system and became thetalk
Tijuana. I've been called a jet-age Jesse and
Robin Hood of the air. Some of that drivel
laugh-and some of it makes me sick4,'to bethe
l'."
letters. l did it for the money, true, BUT l
aacausarr WAS FUN. There is athrill In
to do the impossible. Ask
ANON: How do you feel about the backl of your
hijack, the lives that were lost when people trie to copy
_ I _ :_ your modus operandi? . " Q-_I:_ 7. _- i
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responsible for the stiffening of airline sécurity._l saymo 11'
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we would under no circu__m'stance;-- includinggrand_fut3/_'.7 Me, l wanted money. Doing it for money, some,i'nationdi'vulge_ our source of information; and '_ " girls know, is a lot smarter. The trick l turned was m>r}>~.~tha e would tell D B s adventure exactlyas he related h '. . _ _;= . ow to get the money-others had done that-but HOW toi it to us,'and respect at all times his inalienable rights et'AWAY ' h h ' " ' " _ L __ _ _ _ _ A g _wit t emoney..',~ ,§-. _. s ., -under the Constitutioni ~ <~*"v' M i-1* '*' i~~'" '"__.jr;l,;:<.'_ ANON= How did you prepare yourself? - V-r '. 1 " . ..
not able to give the full story of how this in teriiiew w'as'I'_.'obtained and who was the Flag; source.f1.I_'_'.._.' _ We cansay that _the_ interview occuredjn the metropolitan area!
of Seattle sometime in the month of March.'lt was not
the result of any supersleuthing oi investigation on our.Ibex".
you catch my
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p y report t e news, from any viable source. <'<.~r-~'- .~ -~ "~" Th_ , _ _ , _ _ ._>;,,, __ ese guys who get so worked up about politics are _-figure on havin c ' ' h_All we promised in retu h " ' ~i"" ' k; ' ' " ' ' , rn for t is interview, was that Sm
I -,Namely: life, liberty-and the happiness ofpursuit.-;,92"-1.13,; .1 v~ i ' -it -» 14- ,i.. i~ ix, ~n.:.:;1;-2. _~I";:;"{"~g92f1";-.;5'~~..;;t923'<?».':#'~-3". . -. ,.- - - ~- 1.. .':a,_'-Editors Note: For reasons that are obvious, we are 4/.»
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A _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ".' uc own area, This is where the FBl_'screw_edlong time, but l'_didn_t start the ground workvuntil Jun'e_.*.;r-.l:,;g,-:_,-,"' At th_¢__ appr'optiate'f time l went backlpasSomething happened which made me _th_ink_ it was time5"£;=§, f 'em'pty seats to the stairs, Christ, it was noisyto do it. _-If?-V ._,;L~,_:~. ",,.=§jf,;§I;_92_- -._'et '-}~ '1 _/'if=,-.*~.£'j;'-H P, ' .t-'- J 7 ' " 'ON, ;.h~;..,',,t._._, _h_.,.,'_£-__é.,:§_;i#i§;§~',i;;§W,.i$ ,1 _:aye_ $Qll'lI lC.;l1lIlg _:ettler_ than l li,¢ilCX£OI AN =W at wast at?,?.?§_-§=."i~,'{.f'f;:,§=§i'- 13:1.--:_=.:¬=~A=',',-_,§§_, trie to"wa own _ t cstairs.A _outt e.'COOPER: Skip it_.. lt would takei :08 idrag téi e$tplaih.;';=:<l>_'3f think iifwas. I ===i*i>=.<i <>. - If Wei =". /ind__ANON: Tell us h' ' ' ' _' _- _ _, l, i ' l ' U I _ _I_ , COOPER: lt came to me while l was watchirig_TV; I ANON: _Were you awate that planes were_ g_ _ _, _ _,._;;,,_ Hijackers before me had always been first class fools.921-.=i' the_Northwest_727? . -,-:iY::}_,: ii1%l5_§¢_5i§i.?%;i1a45°"! 1'01" 3'-"'1 '§"°Y{{f"""§'¢ $.f°°P 1"¢$_?b¢@i"ff_ii~.;ff!9' fl-¬_ ;' ¥"}I|» Can you imagine anything more stupid than risking Il|C'_i.:;§~2 COOPER; Yes, couldn't'see the'n'i_in thelellgii-'5 3° which the Flag is P'eP "¢d_-'9 89_:.3?__l,"°tect,§,'~I;}, death penalty because you want to_g0 to Cuba ri h .$ d ' ' ' ' h 'the anonJ'mifJ'. of_ D.B., Co " I ' ' ' '
_;'__,. COOPER: Like anything else, successful skyjackiiig-- A-P takes training and hard 'k. M _ '
extensive. as any astronauts. The guy you're looking at isprobable the world's greatest authority on skyjackingfBefore l left home on the 22nd, I had a big fire. l burned
V graphs, airplane floorplans, timetables, weather reports,
maps, over a hundred pages of notes...l earnedfag a plane in
parachutist,
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longer than l wanted before
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F. yes, something else, too. l know those twenties_"were" million airplaneiforiavrnere $200,00Q?,ltfwas' lousy" odds Xeroxed before they were delived to me _on the ground any ¢way . j._you 'Y_lookv _iat|__vtha't __;little"'§f_equation 'from__.'./, i ,3 : _it Sealgfac ilS l3l}'lS0!l1 mon:_]y.lc-low dz l know that? l;Jlas¥»,.Vi*i¬i{;Nortliwe§t:s_épognt lpfa vfiew: _;_l?¢_¢n nt.00; cou 'sme t e XCITOXKVUI one cm. Quite a te tae|;.M';3gree y..say,_an as e ,7 or '3?!1'il{l_QEl, t _ere:s§iip_te ingif;-.£§[§_;:;.;Z; 1-L;odor. ld say _they were nm through the copying g:¢;.*:what they_would have done. lt would have raised hell, ~~*»ii*'~*f; V
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ANONr But the FBI contends you bailed outi
COOPERH
brains department as they do in the money-.'come down? .,_»~
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§¢'_}ld be in jail fight now instead of talking
Would' ask thaE_ Milnes character 'ust how much rnon "
Were you Ill wooded terrain?
mtry _ , . . _. .._did you get so close? '}'5="._i~ ', 1,} "
COOPEIU Onl two ofha ,projeeted~'eale92ilations'
Second, I have a very good japanesewatchf--..f 7 ' , '
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with distance. I_kncw how fast we were going-afterall I
told the pilot what speed to zowhat vector we were
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don't want to dlsapuint you or your local W ». .L_'
but they are wrong. If they had as -
yougglllule. we're on the aubjeet,.I wish someb_odyj.'~_'
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to*chase_rny ass.l bet-it's a pretty penny :.,- »-
IIow__do yoir know his .13 Y -If ._ .- ~'92 I.
Ifread the papers just everyone else."-j_
m~u=1»=-n: _.Can_you tell us what llI__llllIlgY0_92l .'._;
lhurled my el92ute._;_-,§1;;-Il,' '3
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off. -They weren't important as it turned out.ANON: Let's go back rt little in and spaoerllou
said knew how close McChord is to Sea-Tac. Does that
mean you ever lived in the Scattlearea? g.
COOPER: Yes. In fact, I once? was Qfa ' Larry
Lunchbucket at Boeing's. g _ _. ANONrOutrageousl 1'"_ 1" f*;" '
were you an engineer at Boeing, or something like,, r'~§~v
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badger, butl did work on the 727's. I worked on the
first Boeing 727-I00 standard transport that was first
own by Eastern Airlines way back in I964. '- " _
ANON= A nice ironic touchl.. ,_ '4" cf". A "
COOPER: Yeah, one of many... '1 . '
- ANON:...So you got to know the 727 from the inside
out. What attracted you to the plane as being ideal for a
parachute skyjack? ' , _ I
._ COOPER: First'of all, the alignment'of the three
Pratt.& Whitney engines-two on the sides of the rear
fuselage and the third at the base of the T-tail assembly.
I also liked the down-flaps stalling speed. One hundred
and nine miles per hour, to be exact. Risky, ~ but
{ jumpable. Then l figured in the smallcrew; three on the
OOPERI Yep, an evergreen jungle. ?. , . ' ' L.-fj, 1 I
far were you from where you wanted to'Ii~i.-'_r.',ight deck and the three stewardcsses. Two central
galleys and the wardrobes with two crappers to the
rear. I figured those might come in handy as a_ place to
hold a stewie hostage. As it turned out, l_ was right. I can
even tell you the number of passenger seats, right down
to thelastpiece of lint. ' _. i. -__
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coornm Nine -four * as first-class 'seats,"four-'1
abreast. Sixty-six tourist seats, six abreast. _.1; _T-I_d,____ANON= What about your exit? _ f _
?7" JOOPER: I was getting to that. The ventral door on'.
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rneant' that I could Hump without?! - " '+; 4 3vacuumlelcanered into a 3.156-pound turbofanfmf _
into french fries on a flap. was really the only ship;80 tons of it, that wouldfit |sny.'ne_eds,»and.the '
the crurt.~ the key. It's six-foot, four inchesfhigh
feet, eight inches in width. >Room_'to spare',~for
ordin_ary-sized person", like myself,-~.chute pack and
stairway I was to *;_;'ehute - from.
hydraulically-operated 1' number; .and 'lll."','f
reversion to manual. control. Youimight say}.
akyjacking, it_'s the little things that count, _
_ ANON= _ Let's interrupt the chronology fora
and talk_aboutrnotivat_ion. Why did you do it?
there was the $200,000, but what else impelled
COOPER: I've read the papers, watched
of that. I've read that I'm a_non~hero,, a poplaero,
anti-hero, and a plain old hero hero. The Ordinary
who beat the system and beeame'theinstant
every stiff on unemployment fromj
Tijuana. I've been called a jet-age Jesse Jamesand
Robin Hood of the air. Some of that drivel makes
laugh-and some of it rnakes;me sick,'to he frank
you. I want to tell you right how, and put it in
letters. l did it for the money,"true, BUT I ALSO
BECAUSE IT WAS FUN. There it a thrill in
first I0 J0 the impossible. AsltArmstrong, = =..' -
, ANONr How do you feel about the backlash of
hijack, the lives that were lost when people tried to copyyour rnodus operandi? V ' ' '0
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responsible for the stiffening of airline security._l sayLook. You don't get an encore for an act like 1
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cash. Before agreeing to say goodbye to < l > ii real unmarked money we asked to see some.i Qfproof, Clifford lrving still fresh in our
.92=.minds. It was then that our source tumed
the Bureau is going to search every inch of ground
between Seattle and Reno to find you?
COOPER: Happy Trails.' ANON= Aren't you afraid that they'll trace you-'over».the
_ W _ '_i..be.inalocalbank; then itwasapulled outof
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his body. 'lliere~is no other way it could
talking to Cooper'hirnself." _ - y . -I
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have gotten here; with.out my meeting and».-.4 . .
' After calling a bank to verify, we met all ;_'::_' -. 4. ~...'_ the port, came' '.f_ '¢*'"" .' l Ebsfors. would smell tbs.--Xwx
but asrlorig as they-'werethe stated conditions. _ -; ~_ -y-,1before so
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anonymous source wh'y he came to us._g.4 .Well, the PI was out, it seems, because they at Iwere offering. $5,000 for his head. TheTimes was considered untrustworthy. And ., _. _',,,h,;'h, an . _ .1, .-_
all the television stations would have _ .
required a tape from which voice prints 1 I.could the made. The Flag was the last
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assume he will pick up a copy of this issue.
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COOPER: Would it make a better story for you if l
did? ~
ANON: No. But other lines fly the 727, don't they...?'COOPER: No, l had nothing against Northwest at all,-
far from it. They happen to he my very favorite airlinenew
- statistics, from my Boeing days and iin my head: standard fuel capacity for the 121-l00photo-eo'pi'es,l was _satisfi_ed. Then the
more trips outside;onto_¢t_h¢ runway-Ito'chutes-' lt was at this pointthat Captain
the cabinilitercoml -_Th_¢'fllSt_'1f92l¢i I92lCk
Peeking through one of the cabinthe refueling trudt crewrueri-at the fueling point,
underside of the starboard wing at
' precisely -7,174 }allons.=- Thatfs U.S. Gallons.convinced we'd need every drop of itincludingthe fumes, where we were heading., "
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pounds of twentiesyou got from Northwest2*:jhf:i"r'="~:'~*"'~§*?lcoorsm Wl-lA'lvskydiving expei'ience?_ wi~iX'r
ounds of twenties? ltrequires ver few smarts to 'ess" . ,. . Y 39
that Ianybody, who can, pull the first skydive from
commercial jet: irJt_,the_ dead of night, free-falling with
200 grand strapped around ' his gut, wearing street
clothes and lowcut shoes-knows his ass from a D-ring,-"._"
so to speak. Sure, l've done a lot of skydivingiover the~-*'-:33."
years and belonged toseveral clubs, but l don't think 11.-
that's much of a lead forthe Eli! to go on.§ fijANON: Why not?-. ' "-.7".,é'{ /,-7 J. -.- ,9,
COOPER: Because maybe 20,000, maybe more,
peop.e make the one jump-each year, l meanthats- '-.needed to get their certificate; Most of them, maybe 75 - j
per cent, qualify and then stop jumping. With a turnover ,like it'll take the-law years to pick up my scent. l_:..
did h e one private quirk as_'a skydiver, thou'gh._--._.l_;~ 3 3; _ANON= That being...? ~ 4» -.--.1 _=:-3 »
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y ankles. Even did roadwork with woighted'lcather'iIj"
cks of sand buckled to my ankles; Occasionally 1-"
ould jump wearing low-cuts, but none of the other -
skydivers-éthey've got to be the most vain,
glory-hounding types you'll find anywhere-ever noticed.
They were too wrapped up in their own Superman
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far from it. They happen to be my ve favorite airline . 4 Y! . :-'n'.-.--right now. But l did know that Northwest is one of the";
biggest profit-makers of all the airlines, and that they,i§-
could raise the $200,000 fast. l was sure Northwest,'g,?'
could get the money for me even if Fli ht 305 ot in I A 2 s .f-'from Portland after the banks had closed for the day.§_i¢_
And there were other considerations, too. Thcre_ had
never been a real skyjack at Seattle, and Northwest
definitely does not have what: l would call a take me -to I
Cuba complex". All of those things-plus some other- l
little subtletieshelped make my decision to jumpNorthwest; 2*. . _ 5 _ V ' I
- ANON: Let's touch a little on the actual drama of the
skyjack itself, shall we? _ r - .
COOPER: All right... -
ANON= Was your briefcase bomb real, or was it fake?
COOPER: lt was real, in the sense that it worked. In
actuality __it was a fake. The dynamite sticks the
stewardesses blabbcrcd about were nothing more than
some Gillette shaving-cream cans rigged with prima-cord
fuses. Five of them were in the briefcase l ashed. l
painted them red because people always associate that
color with something explosive, like dynamite.
ANON= Why did they fall for it? Were they stupid,
super-cautious, or what?
COOPER=. l'd say none of those, only
well-endoctrinated and thoroughly trained. Of course 3
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were, Let the passengers off. But I want everyb dy in} j.the eockpit~ and the other two stews to"stay.plane. ls that clear?" The captain roger-ed that. ll , .
this point that my game plan, as you call it, went _ litt V ' " _ T
haywire."lhe passengers-there were around 34,@;35, ofrq '1them, by my countbegan their exit, using thelfront ; 1
airstairs and walking across the concrete to where": bus-" g,was waiting. Holding my bomb attache case, lweht__out;1;_ ,into the cabin. Right then this guy, middle-ageld and}-=' '
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1 ANON - What was the Cap tain's reaction?
- to Katmandu". He looked at inc as if I were totally
1- insane. I-lei said he could try Medford, Red Bluff or_ ~Reno;;IIaIl Pl! Vector 23. VM_y response wasVnegative._l-Ie',tlieriVf?fsugge'ste'd San Francisco; Itold him no, very emphatically. I said, fI want tlie aps at IS per cent andt 3 the gear dfiwnal also want the ventral staircase _-down when"1yo_u uke_off.fI He gave_Vme a negative on the stairs.ar¢,j5&;V-tau gently as I recall, God damnit, I c'an'twot eparture-Vlif_t the nose and rotatej-with those.V"V: He also told me that he couldn't_m_ake
,Mexico wi the aps and geardown, but that he wouldicompute eyfuel consumption and shootifor Reno. I
was glad I e_ got my_idea~all by himself. I-told himVaffirmativd, to head south. Then I slammed the cockpit
;door;and vygentjback to_ the tourist compartment with the
stewfAccordjng t0.rny watch, we got airborne at 7:40p.m. fourihours and 42 minutes since leaving Portland.Like! said lhave_a very good watch. " - - _'._'
l ANON=: Speaking of Portlar'id...Shortly after takeoff
you hand d; your skyjack note to one of the
Z COUl.h: :-:_Ye1si.IIhe briiriette,I'IandIshe Ilwasltrying to pV oposition her...In away, she was right. . 1;5 AIflON:_ you were very careful about retrieving that
notenabou not.leaving it-or anything else- behind as i
nee." uld ou tell us wh h 'd> ' ~- -- W V y attenotesai. . OOPE V: Word for word. _lt said, I am V hijackingl@1lICf2V§..R¬l3!' instructions to theground that Iwant $200 00 in $20's and two parachutes delivered tome when t c plane lands. lhave a bombf? Thirty words.YVou know _hat:;$6,666 a word? V-_=_-4'7; "I1 ANON ot ad by anyone s standards. Tell me, were
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Were they to your liking? ,§~"V§'gf »-' --, V. -tI;:.; .i>¢V.~ =" '4 _ _. . . |.__.,V V, ..';'¢1f- C0OPER:___VNegative. Somebody was piayliiig games there. The backpack harness did not have the necessary 1._ V_ 1, fa go ---, . -.. 1~' ' I 92l" £3. zz}, fld.'a=~i remember,
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