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Deposit tickets at Merchants
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deposits totaling $h70,00 in
cash, Another cash deposit
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February 1?, l9u2, $90.00 de-
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government check for §lOa,53,
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deposits other than a $190.00
cash deposit on July 20, l9h0. 1
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at Langley Acmorial Aeronautics
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authorities, Hampton, Virginia,
believe subject closed out his
account by notation on check
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- A check of the records of the Credit UnionOffice, Langley Memorial Aeronautics Laboratory, failed_toreflect the nmne of the subject as having had any accountwith the Credit Union. According to authorities at the Credit
Union the subject could have either cashed a check or made a
payment-to the Credit Union in someone else*s name.
A check of the deposit tickets availableat the Merchants National Bank with reference to the subject&#39;s
depositing jh?0.00 on March 28, 19h8 reflected that thesewere two cash deposits totaling this amount. There wasnothing on the deposit slip to indicate the origin of themoney deposited. Auvther cash deposit of $250.00 made onFebruary 16, l9h2 was reflected on a deposit slip. On Feb-ruary 1?, l9h2,§90,00 was deposited to the account of thesubject. According to the deposit slip this $90.00 was partof a salary governnont check for el0h.53. This check waslocated on recordak film at the bank. &#39;
Regarding the activities of the subject&#39;s accountprior to January l9hl ledger sheets from Hay lo, 1939 toJanuary ll, 19hl showing subject&#39;s checking account activitiesat the Merchants National Bank were located in the old vaultlocated on the second floor of the bank. An cxmuinationof these ledger sheets reflected&#39;that&#39;themsemimonthly depositsnot
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theexceeding $80.00 at any time. However, it was noted thatof thesmnmomhm deposits was made on July 1?, l9h0. Thisin the amount of wB8.h5. The deposit slip located inattic of the bans reflected that this $86,hS was madeby government chock. On July 20, l9h0 there was a depositof s19o.eo made to the aceeunt of the subject. At this time
the bank balanco_of the subject was ;282.29. n examination
of the deposit slip for July 20, l9h0 reflected that thedeposit was made in cash. There were no withdrawals notedabove $30.00 during the period in question. The subject&#39;scheckin; account balance as of January ll, l9hl was @5?,09.The highest balance for the account during the pertinentperiod was e308.00 as of October 17, 1939.
Confdential Infomnant T-1 advised that the chockdated Janu. y 3, lqhh drawn on Merchants Rational Dunk payableto WILLI 7 NUTTERPERL and signed wILuIAM HUTTLRPERL was
probably n iled by the subject to the bank. This check was
located by the réprting agent onnr.cordak film and therewas a notation on the check which was probably in the hand-
writing of the subject, "to close account". There was a~learing house staqp-on the base of the check. However, thisstamp wasilsgible. T-1 stated that the check was most likely_ - .- _-4.... _».;.~.. ---- - __ ___ __ _ ___ _ . ans;-,.... _,_=- A~  -|-- --,_~;_--_ _ , . ._ ..._-.-.~.-.-_.-__-_.__.-......Qn L

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REFERENCES: No§ York tulotypo to Norfolk on August 9,
1991.
Norfolk toletypo to New York on August 10,
Report of SA FRED A. CO;TS dated August 7,1951 at Norfolk, Virginia,
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WILLIAM PERL, wa. ESPIONAGE -
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Deposit tickets at Merchants
National Bank, Hampton, Virginia
on aarch 23, l9nl reflect two
deposits totaling $h?0,00 in
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This $90.00 was part of salary&#39; government check for el0n,53,
Examination of ledger sheets
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16, 1939 through January ll,l9hl reflects normal ggmimhly
deposits other than a $190.00
1 cash deposit on July 20, 19h0.X No record located for subject -
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0 Laboratory Uredit Union, Bank
authorities, Hampton, Virginia,
believe subject closed out his
account by notation on check
dated January 3, 19AM in the -
mnount of ph0,00, They also
advised that general aorrele
pondence file failed to re-
flect any information regarding
subject or subject&#39;s forwarding
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corporation. CHARLES HURKAMP,-formerly head of
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were made available to him in the fall of l9L3. E. M.
FLESH, formerly First Project Engineer, Curtis-Wright_ __ Corporation, advised his work began on project KC-113
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DETAILS: W. L. WELLS, formerly Chief Engineer and C. H. MARSHALL, formerly
Chief Project Engineer, Curtis-Wright Corporation, St. Louis,- Missouri,_now employed by the G. E. Wells Incorporated, 918 South Boyle Avenue, St. Louis, Missouri, upon interview advised that they could not Af§//» fix a date the plans for the power plants TC-100 or I-LO became known to the
Curtis-Wright Corporation. Furthermore, e search of their papers failed toI disclose any record which might assist them to approximate a date which would
; mark the beginning of Project XC-113. This Project it was stated was theI installation of a TG-100 power plant in a CA6 airplane. They advised that no work
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, _, _CI-IARLES rnmmn, Engineer, McDonnell Aircraft compare", Lambert Field,I Missouri;%;;;;pd th t he was of the opinion that it was during the fall of l9h3
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v&#39;that he attended a conference at the Curtis-Wright Research Laboratory, Buffalo,New York, at which time the Army Air Force disclosed the plans for power plantsTG-100 and I-b0. He advised that he was of this opinion since the plane designatedas XP80,hich was powered by an I-A0 engine had made its test flight duringthe month of April, 19th, and since it had taken the Lockheed Aircraft Company"_ six months to build this plane, they evidently had the plans some time during the- latter part of l9h3 at the same time he was also given the information.
&#39; " T At the meeting in Buffalo, New York he stated that he believed that&#39; at that time one copy of the plans were earmarked by the Anny for the
Curtis-Wright Corporation and that after the laboratory had studied themthey were sent to St. Iouis.
He stated that the Curtis-Wright Corporation had worked on theProject XC-113, which consisted of installation of the TG-100 power plant ina CA6 plane, however, after working on this for some time, the project wasJtransferred to Buffalo, New York and later to Columbus, Ohio.
He advised that the person in charge of the Curtiséwright ResearchLaboratory at the time of the meeting concerning instant power plants, was aDr. FURNACE who still remained there after it was taken over by the CornellUniversity. He added that he was of the opinion that documentary evidence_ would be available through Dr. FURNACE which would reflect the exact date the- plans were made available. 92
E. M. FLESH, formerly First Project Engineer, Curtiséwright Corporation,now Engineer, McDonnell Aircraft Company, stated that he concurred in the opinionof Mr. HURKAMP, however, his actual participation in Project XC-113 did not beginuntil the latter part of l9hh or the early part of l9L5.
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mark the hragiflnim; of Project Tit;-1.13. This ."ro,&#39;I---:I. it. wns stated was the
installation of 5 &#39;;&#39;.j_1&#39;1=iJ p0.~&#39;! plant in a 111,4 ¥&#39;Irr=&#39;l.f.&#39;!nn, T:-~y rivlrmd th.--t no Imrk I
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