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residence,]LBL [telephone] cell phone] E Aftereing advisedTof the identity f the interviewers and e purpose
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has92lived in| Isincel Ias lived at92his currentaddress forl I
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never went into t e labs. was located inRooms I of Bu1ITdlng I Other USAMRI ID
emplovees using this office space included
I Iwas the redecessor
as is the current Room ' containeddes s, fi e cabinets and a freezer. The reezer was sed to
temporarily store materials prior to and after irradiation. Thi
freezer was not locked. The door toI Ihad a kev lock. I II
II t I RoomL_____J,con ained Beta and Gamma radiation counters, a chemical fand a radiation calibrating instrument. RoomI Iwas I I
I II Icircled and initialed t e locations of
rooms on a floor plan that has been included in the attached
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[::;:::]had access to Room[:::]in BuildingIUUUUU Aw lk ' ' 'a in freezer cooler is located within the room. No radioactive
material is stored there. Anyone can walk ' tin o the room. [:::]
avoided walking into labs where people were working. -
I Iinvolving infectious or noninfectious biolo ical Umaterial. Within three days o ' ' yment[::§has givensamples containing Ebola virus Samples containinp
infectious matter originating at USAMRIID
received shipments of infectious material from sources outsi e o
USAMRIID ' rad t' ' ' ' 'ia iqn_Q£ the d receiving area ofBuildinqI Hi received from the[:::]I U various infectiousmaterialsI T e material was receiv ryand wet and presented w' ' ' ' Ef:TIthin varying types of_cnntainerf. neveropened the containers. to thematerial wasH Iviable material in
the sample,
Lrecpived various strains of anthrax
Bacillus anthracis B E IVINSandI Idoes not recall handling Ba.
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| _ £50 to 400 ml solution of Ba that
was received from] || Idoes not recall
handling dry Ba.
A| rewrd was kept of Q1
The form was kept with the material] |
The information upon the form included, the name of
t e researc er, description of the materialj
information was al o r ' ' '
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developed an interest in infectious materials
incident o work experience at U§AMR11D*J |
oflno one extremely interested in anthrax other than| |recalled havinq a conversation with| Lrggarjijg the
waslintrigued Ehat iflness can occur with exposurehto one sige a
bacterium whereas exposure to te ousand ant-rax spores was
necessary for illness to occur. was surprised to learn thatthere were many strains of anthrax.; Irecalled that techniques' ' ' ' b kfor drying anthrax were described in KEN A IBECK s oo Biohazard!.[::]recalled having discussiong concerning accidentaland intentional outbreaks of infectious dis ase with otheremployees at USAMRIID which was common among employees. [:;]
recalled that someone suggested that a crop duster or truc exhaust
may be used to sprea ' ectious material. could not recall who
made that statement. recalled stating, I
Ihad this type of conye
esno¬'recaI1 anyone spe cally discussing the subject of
, ending anthrax via the mails believes that anyone who worked at
USAMRIID should do not be ruled out.
r r_______1r£Qallsd thatJ___J_________has in¥QlEEd__1
_ One member of the group
was very negative to funding USAMRIID and preferred that the moneyo
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be used for funding schools, housing or e ion. [:;]recalled
that it was a female member of the group. does no rec he
name of an | . y of the of the tour
feels that it is important to fund researchers full time than rely
on temporary contractors.
The news has reported that the anthrax in the mail came
from USAMRIID. It would not have been hard to remove anthrax from
USAMRIID. Biological agents may be removed from the hot areas by
secreting them on your person and walking through the shower area
without showering. Showerin was not an OSHA requirement but was aUSAMRIID requirement that[::?was aware was not followed. Someone
who has tak n ' fectious material takes a chan f killingthemselves.T::iicould not identify any hatEf:jwould suspecttaking biological a ents from USAMRIIDjEi:jcould not identifyanyone, other than E:::::::]that would considered by others tobe a disgruntled employee of USAMRIID.[:f]is not aware of anyonewho participated in unofficial work wit Ba or its simulants. [:::]
is not aware of anyone who "piggy-backed" into and out of the hot
areas of USAMRIID.
E:::::::kecalled tw ' cidents involving lax handling ofdangerous items at USAMRIID E:iEk wo incidents involvin , . ec gunknown persons that occurred aroundTiifi:f In one incident [::]
observed loose vial under locked freezers in the hallway near the[::]suite of rooms. E¬:]also recalled an incident involving vials
that apparently fell into a freezer used to obtain dry ice.[:::::::]
was not aware of any area ' USAMRIID that had problems withbacterial contamination. E:ijheard that there had been one after[::]
left USAMRIID involving a pass through associated with a hot suite.
E::]does not know how to pre anthrax for mailing.[:::1does not know what a lyo hilizer is. Effidoes not have experiencein forensic techniques. E:::hoes not recall anyone who expressed aFED2Sil_iELEIESL_iD_fQIEnSl techniques.[::]recalled that the_ _ at USAMRIID has participated inforensic analysis I Imention hat they were involved inexamining ricin bullets. E::i%%fjdoes not have any personal or
professional association with New Jersey and did not travel there
in September or October of 2001. -
E:;]described that the standard SOP for decontamination of?
Class II an Class III biosafety cabinets involved paraformaldehyde
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gas and a wipe down of surfaces with a bleach solution. Anthrax
researchers use bleach solutions.
k:::::]1UUUUdoes not recall seeing clear plastic containers at
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I Irecalled using] II _pj I Idoes notrecaI1 what type of equipment] |deIiveréd" '
[::]does not recall using pre-stampe postal envelopes orobserving prestamped envelo es at USAMRIID. 92Personal mail cannotbe mailed from USAMRIID. [::has used the postal vending
machines in Frederick, Maryland. has not had contact with any
of the anthrax-laced envelopes. has not done any analytical
work associated with this case.I 4
recafled EhaE] Icontinued to visit UEKMRIIDI I|to assist] IF1 Itried toscheduleI Ivisits so thitI Iwould not be in the building[::::::]
I Imet at USAMRIID. I:|li1<:ed andwould be surprised if ad92anyEhin to do with the mailinanthrax laced letters. describedI Ias out oing.3 recalledvisiting] rinI Ioffice to discuss If Ito prepare them for shipment to in
observed aI Ion computer screen.toldI I thatI Ihad been contacted rm ' I
ad other contact with relative to involvement
at USAMRIID also recalledII I-h | I | |
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seeing in the hallways of USAMRIID. oes not recallobserving erform' ab work at USAMRIID. [::]does notknow where storedI?i:jgrowth material.[::]never socialized
with The subject of anthrax was never dis did
i not discuss his interest in infectious agents w thitiif¬fEE¥E:::]
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never allowed[:::::;:gto "piggyback" into any areas at RIID.[::]has not discusse ooks and manuscripts wi;hI____i::¥Tf§Fnever
attended any knows of noorqanizationLE6_wEIEEr_______Tbelon s. 1S not aware of any
I may have had. left USAMRIID without
saying goodbye. does not recall seeing afteleft USAMRIID. Some researchers do stay on to finish wgatever they
are doing.[:]is not aware of removing e ui ment or
anything else from USAMRIID. 1S not aware of movin
equipment to other areas of USAMRIID. never
near the| lor the
I |Was slrprismi 12> hear. ' |:| left
that] J remembers
O showed no in r st in a at US D that
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ma e no mention of|
[::::::]has no information to provide regarding
scientists visiting USAMRIID.
[:::::::]would be willing to participate in a polygraph
examination associated with this case.
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I -- SocialSecurity Account Nunlbel-§,_,.I.,$,§_§§LI~-"Ti .- AM-92l-ii wh1muw-,,,.,- G-II H _.M _,.,,., 4,tele hone nu er a 1n &y53;LE?'§;3wa§;3A34i;§m _ _ _ Ia residence. After being ad ised of the nature of the
interview and»-the identity of the interviewing agents, provided the
following information: '
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in and a degree inI II'toII I years Whl.I.¬ a¬tend11".Ig| the UNIVERSITY GF Il_|left e UNIVERSITY OF tostudy'L at the where obtained ' ' ' M ' ~
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Iworked in the I -fo years. Dur:I92;1j]J time there,J Iworked on a
pro ect to develop
for the . The »
I Ilor thiscontract had to be signed before Icould officially begin
[::::]work. While waiting for the II Iwasauthorised to work from home, whichL_J did for three months. The
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eh .$ U ad received vaccines forI Iand
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anthrasis Ba!y with nonLethal bacillus
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orked on the
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Ialso worked on developing a Ba vaccine while at
USAMRIID.| Inever worked with live Ba and never dried Ba
I |did not engage in any virology work.
I Iworked with the
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plague or "Which
never worked with smallpox,
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a r1 .dld not know BRUQ? IVINS or~~ 92T~-' ~ 'I Idid n to have access to the hot suites.
could not recall anyone "piggybacki "
doors but believes that if ' '
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didng through any
it did happen, it would only be a person
gnized by others.
ver heard of anyone having bioweapons nor
E:]1qnow anyone that held hostile attitude towa dStates government or media.[ii::::::::]
that could hr s the United
has no suspicions of anyone
ave been responsible for the anthrax mailings.
l:;:::::::::]has no ties to Trenton or Princeton NewJersey an as not traveled to New Jersey reETnL1y_[::::::::::::1did1
t was returning home from a triI Is ent th 'I Ivi ' ' 'e reviousIsiting with ' fl
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ailings and remaiw into Philad 1
irport.|anthrax m ' 'g the months of thenfd at home. had b
did maintain a notebook while working at
USAMRIID. does not recall where the not '
that it would have ' 'ebook is but believes
remained at USAMRIID after[:]left.
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would be willing to undergo ygraph
examination if it were to take place near to or at residence.
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e e one nu er asI t 1at _ ace of_busine lithe United ates rmy interviewed I El_ II_MediQal,Researc nstitute of Infec 'ous Diseases USAMRIIDYI Fort
ick Maryland, telephone number IAfter being T D , WE§§¬§Ea the identit of the interviewing agents and the nature ofthe interview,[::::f:::]provided the following information:
[::::;:::l%s a and has worked atIUSAMRIID since as sent toI Ii I Inl LLI Lland returned
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rooms has worked on Ba ro'ects doingclinical work and protocols under BRUCE IVINS or[::¬::2:]
I I I Iwas not sure what strains were used.
The only individuals that[:::::::]thought to have enough
expertise in weaponization techni ues, spore production andlyophilizing are IVINS,[:::::::::?:]and any scientist.
InI II Iworked in roomsI I I Istated that there were coolers in buildin
on the second floor. They housed reagents and specimens.
wasn't sure exactly what w in the coolers however, statedthat it would be labeled. Ef:iffff¬]was unsure of who used this
cooler and assumed an one with access to building[::::]had accessto the cooler. [:::::%::]does not know what a lyophilizer is.
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Prior to 9/11/01, "piggy backing" happeVisiting scientists had gone into suites however,ti?:i:iffjdid not
know who they were with or what country they were rom.
[::::::g:]stated from USAMRIID, t ey could
9/11/O1 time period.
|:|is notthat if someone wanted to take something
just walk off with it prior to the
aware of any hostile individuals and does
not suspect anyone of the anthrax mailings. Furthermore,[:::::::]
has not heard any rumors regarding any individual/s interested in
gaining access to anthrax or any other biological or chemical
agents or the means to produce them without a specific need.
[:::;:;::]is not aware of how to weaponize Ba and has no
forensic know e ge. '
has al Ithat lives inl I
mas not
been there since before 9/11/O1 when he traveled| |
The SOP's for decontamination include paraformaldehyde
and ammonia bicarbonate. I has not sure of the exact decon
rocess and would have to read them. I |hasn't been ing |forL |years. I landwould know t e procedures.
' [::::::::]never noticed any plastic containers. [::::::::]
was not aware of any work being conducted with Ba or its simulants
which was unofficial or not recorded.
[::::::::]does not keep a lab notebook and does not recall
using prestamped envelopes. E:::::::]never used any vending
machines.
[::::::::]had nothing to do with processing of the anthrax
letters.
new| |on a professional
| |wor ed for FNU!.was a research scien lS Kfrking on
r1 saw| |1n the hallwaysin buil ing owever, never saw in bui ing [:::] .
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never saw iggy back" into suites andnever saw take equipment. I never spoke about anthrax.[::::::;] never saw Iwork with bacterial cultures.assume that IstoredI Isamples of[:::]work in
building
I never had anv conversations witk1[::::::::]regarding I I never complained about an thing.I never mentioned anthrax. talked to[::::::f:]on one
_occas1on about [::::::::::]
' re of any connections[:::::::]may have
with New Jersey. is unaware of any social connections of
[:::::::]to include
[::::::::]never hosted any foreign visitors.
works H *lso works I
L_________Jsupervisor isI Iworks the majority of I
I Iconsented to a polygraph and is scheduled for
I Iat 10:00 a.m.
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2003/I |<aka[IIIIII].date of birth: I social securitvnumber:I home
I rhome telephone number: work phonenumber:I Iwas interv ewed at place o employment:
the United States Army Medical R search Institute for Infectious
Diseases USAMRIID!, Fort Detric Maryland. After being advised
of the identit of the investigating agents and the purpose of theinterview,[:::E]provided the following information:
I kurrentlv emploved at Q§?MRIID as[::::::::]
and has held thisosition since E] Ihas been working at USAMRIID since[::::]
worked for _ I[1 Ireturned to USAMRIID in
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' I Iat USAMRI ID
but does not participate in I II Ihas not been in the hot suites at USAMRIID
since| lbut [::]is currently immunized.
[::::::::::]not grown or cultured Bacillus anthracis Ba!,I Ihas onlv worked on studies related to the Ba vaccing_ ThesestudiesI ' I
Jgigggggggmnot k anyone who may be an expert ini weaponi niques. assumes BRUCEI . something about it as he interacts often with
'[:::::::::::::::khe following names of individuals that had
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worked with| T and| l phonetic!. - ~
E::::::]was rovided a floor plan of building[:;::]USAMRIID on whichtjijnmrked and initialed all areas t at has
worked in. A copy of the floor plan is attached.
|:|worked - n th f - ~o e loor of building
in laboratories At times worked inwhen those labora ories were used for stu res on the
has never used the cold storage in room[:::]of
building
worked in the office spaces | |and
I on the| |floor of laboratories
building
never new anyone to piggyback in or out of the hot
suites.
does not know how one could remove a select agent
from the a oratories.
does
drying v agents{
any of work.not know anyone to ever use a lyophilizer for[::]is not aware of ever using a lyohilizer in
[::::;::]is not aware of anyone who would want to remove a
select agen or who would make one for use in an improper fashion.
[:::::::]does not know of an oneY
mailings of the anthrax-laced letters.
[::::::::boes not know of anyone with hostile views toward
the government, specific politicians, the media, or others.who would be suspect in the
[::::::]does not know of anyone to having dried Ba.
[:::::::]does not know of anyone with specific skills to
avoid forensic techniques.
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[:::::::]does not have any personal or professional
affili ' with anyone in the Trenton or Princeton New Jersey
area. believes that] |may have family in NewJersey. | |may alsd92have relatives in the New Jersey
area.
[:::::::]is not sure of what the standard operation procedure
for decontamination is.
[:::::::]has never seen, nor used, plastic storage containers
at USAMRIID, nor does[:::]know where any may be kept.
All of research and study performance notebooksare maintained in room.[::]of building [::::]
[::::::]has never purchased pre-stamped envelopes nor has[:::]ever used any of the vending machines in the Frederick,
Maryland area to purchase postal products.
did not see nor handle any of the anthraxlaced
letters.
never known Idid not know
anything about until after *
has never sponsored any foreign visiting scientists.
[:::::::]has never known any foreign visting scientists to be
allowed in the hot suites of USAMRIID.
work hours are typically fromlIJ aves USAMRI IDIat about] I I
I Ibelieves that| |and| |may have been at
| Iat least
one of the weekends of the mailings of the anthrax letters.[::::]told investigators[:::]would attempt to verify? iwhereaboutsand rovide an su ortin documentation to P Y PP 9
[:::::::]denied having ever given anyone Ba.
[:::::::]denied having anything to do with the preparation or
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stated that had "bad things" about the polygra hamination, owever as willing to take thT exam. |f| is
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ad ess omeiphoneIwork telep on was interviewed at[:::]
place or employment, the UniE- States Army Medical Research
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T|_p I I I IIthroughout the lab.During September 2001,I Ewas at HI t atL____________JwasI ISince e start of work at USAMRIID the on ywor as one relating to Anthrax is with a [::::::::::::::]
i not participate directlv in the infection of the animals.
rimary responsibility wasI IThese samples were not cultured byI I The
~ samples were handed off to lab techs or scientists who performed
the cultures. [::::]<did now what strain of Bacillus anthracis
was working with but id know it was fromI _ _ I
his work was done in
Buildin at USAMRIID, w ' ofI:Iw rk in
2001. worked with and BRU INS but
did not recall additional names of s ientists with whom worked.
occasionally spoke with who was a scientist working
in b t th ' ' a ou eir common intere t in
E::::]did not ' tly witness piggy backing of card
ss into hot suites. did not work a lot during off hours.Eiifjworked after hours ior to Se t 1, 2001, but that was
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it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency.Institute of In'fecEious Dias W is-_._ lIS.AMR;I;LD.!_,_r IPorter Street,_ 2Fort Detrick, Maryland; Afterbeing advised or e i ' of "vinterviewing agents and the purpose of the interview,Ti7fjfijprovided the following information; 6% I
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stamped envelopes and never used the vending machines that sold
themn [:::]did not kno e existence of the postal vendingmachines at USAMRIID. E:2f%iTdid not know what was stored in thewalk-in cooler in room in Building| Iand never had any
reason to enter the cooler. | |does not know what bacterial
contamination smells like and never noticed any decontamination
agents being used in any suites to counteract contamination.
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and never discussed Wl anyone else who worked in the lab.
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interviewed at the Investigation offices,I I After bein advised of g the
identity of Ehe interviewing agent and the nature of the interview,
[:::::]provided the following information: -
[:::::]provided the following overview of [::]educational
and career experience;
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[:::::::::::] Graduated with
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Living and working inI I
University ofI I
Pursuing aI
[:::::]noted that duringI Iat[:% Iw - ' 's with the
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I Istated that durinqj IIwas asked to work fori IIof USAMRIID on a proiect to L1 I
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[::::]characterized.[::]position a ID as [:::]
and although primarily assi ned to theUm q_LVas also assigned| I
E::::]stated that|[:]never worked with any form of
anthrax wh1le»at USAMRIID and only worked in a
E:::::]suite a few times, always accompanied by
remembers being issued a key card for access into t e uite at
USAMRIID.
SA.[:::::]then asked.E::::]the relevant questions
provided by WFO for interview purposes.
If never interviewed:
1. Obtain details on education, specializations, nature of
work at each laboratory of employment; details on work
with biological organisms particularly Bacillus
anthracis Ba!!.
Answer: Covered above
2. Determine whether any work with Ba was on the living
organism or only with components such as toxin, DNA, etc.
Answerw [::::]has never worked with any form of anthrax
3 Obtain details on all projects involving Ba including
identification of contracts, subcontractors, lab
assistants, whether the work involved spores or just
vegetative cells, strains used, specifically how the Ba
was grown, storage technique and all storage locations,
distribution to any other researchers.
-Answer:[::::]has never worked with any form of anthrax
4. Have you ever used the modified G sporulation media?
When, on what organism and strain, where was it stored?
Answerw [::::]has never worked with any form of anthrax
or anthrax created using the modified G sporulation media1
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What type of culture technique did you use? Was it
single colony or multiple colony culture technique? If
you used both, what time-frames did you use each?
Answer [:::::]has never worked with any form of anthrax
Identify any work involving the drying of Ba. Was a
lyophilizer used? What was the specific technique? Are
any samples of dried Ba still maintained?, Were high
resolution images collected? '
Answer:[::::]has used a lyophilizer in the past on
various projects involving plague but never anthrax
Were the strains used fully characterized? Where did
the strain was Ames, did it come from Bruce Ivins or
Answer:[:::::]has never worked with any form of anthraxthey originate, and where have they been disseminatei? ff
Identify any persons who have expertise in weaponization
techniques, spore production, lyophilizing. Is there
anyone else we should talk to about the above issues?
Answer:[:::::]does not know of any individuals with the
above listed expertise
Identify any areas of USAMRIID which had problems with
bacterial contamination, particularly virology suites.
Answer [:::::]never heard about any issues of bacterial
cross contamination.
Identify the areas routinely used by the employee use
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lab on the blueprints provided by WFO.
Determine if the person used the hot r s of buildin QE::::] Was the walk-in cooler, roon1[f:ffused? Who waswas unable to s ecificail identifv| |
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observed using the walk-in cooler? Do you know what was
stored there?
Answer: Egggglstated that| lconductedwhile at IID approximately| ltimes total! was donein the [:::::]laboratory building, never in building
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Did people "piggy-back" in and out of the hot areas at
USAMRIID? Were visiting scientists taken into the hot
areas by USAMRIID researchers?
Answer [:::::]stated that[:;]cannot remember everwitnessing anyone "piggybac ing" into the[:::]area at
USAMRIID.
How could someone remove Select Agents from the hot areas
covertly? Identify any individuals who attempted this.
Answer E:::::]believes that it would be "pretty easy" to
remove select agents from the[:::]suites at USAMRIID.
[:::::]stated that someone could conceal an agar plate or
a small vial under in the armpit area long enough to get
throu h the "shower-in/showerout" process covertly.E;::::fdoes not know of any individuals who ever attemptedo remove select agents from a[::::pab.
Are you aware of anyone who said they might make a Select
Agent for use in some improper fashion?
Answer: No
Are you aware of any persons with the access and ability
to create or handle dangerous biological agents who
expressed hostile attitudes toward any political
organization, the media, or others?
Answer: No
Are there any persons you believe to be or suspect of
possibly being associated with the mailings of the
anthrax letters? Who and why?
Answer: No
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Are there any people with whom you have worked who were
lax in handling dangerous items or inappropriately
interested in agents that could be turned into harmful
agents?
Answer: No
Was there anyone at USAMRIID who was rumored to be
interested in gaining access to anthrax or any other
biological or chemical agents or the means to produce
them without a specific need or responsibility to do so?
Answer: No J
How would you go about preparing dried Ba and sending it
through the mail?
Answer;[:::::]believes that it would be p ough toprepare dried Ba and put it in the mail. Effff:jdoes not
know how someone would find out what pow r ink tothe Ba spores to induce aerosolization. f::ff]does not
believe that simply opening an envelope would be enough
energy to disperse the dried anthrax. [:::::]believes
that you would need to pressurize the envelope in some
manner to ensure proper dispersal.
Are you aware of anyone who expressed a special interest
in being able to get around forensic techniques?
Answer: No
Do you or any of your associates have any personal or
professional association with Trenton, New Jersey,
Princeton or other areas of New Jersey?
Answer: No
Did you or any of your associates travel to New Jersey in
September or October 2001? Do you recall where you were
during that time period?
Answer: [::::]does not believe has ever been inNew Jersey and believes[::]was in during the
specified time frame.
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23. Are there SOPs for decontamination of Class II and Class
III biosafety cabinets in your work areas? What are
they? ,
Answer: [::::]does not know if USAMRIID has any SOPs for
the decontamination of Class II and Class III biosafety
cabinets. I
24. Has paraformaldehyde or glutaraldehyde fumigation been
employed in the virology areas? When?
Answer [:::::]has no knowledge of this process.
25. Have you ever smelled bacterial decontamination agents in
the virology suites?
Answer; No
26. Have you ever used plastic storage containers, such as
sterilite boxes, for storage of your materials at
USAMRIID? If so, how, where and when were they
purchased? By whom? Did you ever notice any such
storage boxes missing?92
Answer; No
27. Are you aware of any work being conducted with Ba or its
simulants which was unofficial or not recorded?
Answer; No
28. Was all of your work recorded in lab notebooks? Where
are they stored?
Answer: ed that all of [::]work was recorded in
an would assume the lab book is in
possessiony
29. Did you ever purchase prestamped envelopes like the ones
used in the mailings for your own use or for anyone else?
If so, did you ever give them to anyone else? Where were
the envelopes stored?
Answer: No
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30. Did you ever use any of the vending machines in Frederick
to purchase pre-stamped_envelopes? If so, which machine
and when?
Answer: No
31. Did you personally handle any of the anthrax-laced
letters or envelopes? If so, when, what rooms, who else
was present?
Answer: No
32. Did you do any analytical work on the evidence in this
case? Get details.
Answer; No
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did not reco nizeJg%%::::::]name as an oneremembers from at RlID during[::::] SA a color photograph of in an
attempt to jog memory. Aft viewing the photo ra h forseveral seconds, state has never metE;:fi:fjanddoes not lieve ever saw at USAMRIID T. erefore all ofthe assoc estions, other than the one listed below,
were not asked of
26. Is there anything we have not asked you that you could
tell us which could be related to the anthrax letter
mailings?
Answer: No -
If interviewee hosted foreign visiting scientists: i
|:|stated that |:|never hoste ' ' ' '
scientist while working at USAMRIID during
Therefore the listed questions were not asked of| |
If interviewee was| Imember:
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listed questions were not asked of
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Sfnopsis: Report results of the investigation regarding[:::::::]
Details: An investigation of[:::::::::::::::]cxmmenced because[::;ghad access to locations where the Ames strain of Bacillus
an racis Ba! was stored at the United States Army Medical
Research Institute of Infectious Diseases USAMRIID!, Fort
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home tele hone nu er. Pis a USAMRIIDI Elem levee working as the
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at USAMRIID. The machines are located in rooms E::::::::::::]_J
I BRUCE IVINS andI Iprovided the anthrax spores to theI Ito infect
the non-human primates.
A time~line of!::;::::]activities for the likely
periods of the mailing o t e anthrax letters from Princeton N ewJersey was compiled using USAMRIID Key Card Access records I
telephone call records and credit card records. The time-line
focused on any six-hour period for '
unaccounted, with the premise that
' Tele hone toll records documented that tele hone numbernee eeeieeeeee in eh c e ee L
The telephone is a household telephone, and to recor s o not
indicate who specifically made the telephone calls.
Reviews of[::::::]financial records and home telephone
records for the ear 2001 reveal d e no connections to New Jersey.However,I Ipersonal bank accounts are with
I The account is exclusively in name
with as the designatedI
accounts with had a balance of approximatelyl Ias of' ' ' Inaddition,I I
documentedL_ Ideposits inyI_____________IusingI ISocial 'ccoun u er. The deposits were liste or[:::::?ffffiff:::]
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USAMRIID Facility Ke Card.Access re umentedthat[::::] entered Bui " E:f:]on 9/17/01 at landremained at work untiltiiilexit atL_______J The long eriod
between key card activi y uring work hours for which wasunaccounted on 9/17/01 was approximately[:]hours and minutes.
After exitin AMRIID on 9 17/01,[:::::]i ccountedfor during a period of hours and inutes untili:¥;;%fged
in again on 9 18 O1 at exited Building' ' ' ' ' on9/18/01 at[::%::%:] T e on est' eriod between key card activityduring work hours for whidh§E;i:fhs unaccounted for on 9/18/01was approximately[:]hours an minutes.
A review of tele one toll records showed a telephonecall to| on 9/17/01 at 7=o6 PM.
A review of] I
credit card transactions and1 |Bank Records
indicated no purchases during this time frame.
Time-Iine Second Mailing :00 p.m., 10/06/01 through
11:00 a.m., 10/09/01!
USAMRIID Facility ard Access record cumentedthat[::;::]entered BuiE%§%%;::;:jon 10/6/01 at andremaine at work until On the same day, 92tjlenhQne_LQll_rfcords documen a qall residence
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USAMRIID Key,Card Access records documented that[:::::]first entered USAMRIID on 10 7 01 et[::::::::][::::::hemained at
work on 10/7/01 until There were approximately 20 hours
and 36 minutes for which unaccounted between 10/6/O1 at
[::::]PM and 10/7/01 at
elephone toll records documented the following
calls from residence on 10/7/01: .'
Telephone call to lat 11:52 AM;Telephone call to lat 11:53 AM.
I Icredit card records documented apurchase on 10/7/01 at the| |in'
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USAMRIID Key Card Access records documented[:::::]entering USAMRIID on 10/8/01 atE;:;:Q;;11[:::::]is unaccounted
for during a eriod of approxima e ours and 16 minutes from10/17/01 a to 10 8/01 at | |remained at
USAMRIID on 10 8 01 until The longest period between
key card activities on 10 8 O1 was approximately 2 hours and 5
minutes.
E::::]is again unaccounted for during a period
of ap 'mately 10 hours and 45 minutes from 10/8/O1 at PM
until is recorded enterin USMARIID on 10/9/O1 atwhere emained until[::::%::] Durin work hours on 1 , g 0903
the longest period of time between key card activity was
approximately 3 hours and 52 minutes.
. Additional Information:
[:;g::]has been interviewed on at least[::::] occasions
concerning is investigation and has been cooperative and
forthcoming with investigators. '
On| lvoluntarily submitted to a
polygraph examination concerning the anthrax mailings. The result
of the examination was not indicative of deception.
ition to the findings presented above and thefact that[2E:iiThas cooperated with this investigation, no
direct, testimonial or circumstantial evidence has been '»discovered to date which suggests that.E;:::]may have been
involved in the anthraxlaced letter mai ings. Unless o 'such evidence is identified, no further investigation ofi:EEEiis
intended in this case.
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Federal Bureau of/Investi ation andI I gI After being advised of the identit ofthe investigating agents and the purpose of the interview,[:::f:::]
provided the following information:
onductin I I Iis currently emploged at L ql I I
studies toI I I Ihas beenemployed full~time atI IsinceI Ian? works primarily Monday
through Friday,
as aI underI Iwor e primarily inI Fin building of USAMRIID.did not have the I Ito enter EuiléingI::::]
during this time period./"
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whom worked at USAMRIID: I I
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I Iwas at USAMRIID working as an Hinvestigator at Ehe tlm§£
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Ireturned to Fort|Detrick for
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assigned primarily to theI IDivision until U Ifull access to
USAMRIID did not expire untiII I
I I rovided the names of individuals with whomworked during theIp kihe frame as follows:
The only bacterial researchers and investigators that[:::::::]knew were!! I and PERRY
MIKESELL decease .
I I Iwork at USAMRIID was exclusively with1[::::::]
Biological agents used for investigations were always
prepared by the investigatorsI
did not work with aeorsol studies.
I I I Primate necropsies were usuaII£
performed by pathologists.
did work with investigators BRUCE VINS and
conducting studies on Bacillus anthr cis Ba!,
however never did swabbing or streaking of agar plates nor did[::]participate in or understand the culturing or growing process.
[::::::]believes all Ba samples would have originated
with BRUCE IVINS. '
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[:::;:::]did not know anyone to dry Ba nor did[::]know
what a lyophi izer was.
No one ever ex ressed an interest in weaponization ofbiological agents to[:::E:::]
l Idoes not recall there being bacterial
contamination in the| |areas of[::::]
During| at USAMRI ID,worked in building suitesl relative to
investigations also frequented rooms
rooms on the I Z | |
floor of building also worked in the where
| investigations were conducted.
|never used the cooler in rocm1E::]of buildingE::::][] cou not recall spending any time in room[::::::::::]
also worked in labs of buildingE;;;;}conducting lin labs
Iwas provided a map of buildin s E::::::::::::]emn1[:]nmrked and initialed all areas in which[f:]worked while
employed at USAMRIID.
Etated that "piggy-backing" in and out of the hot
areas was frequent.
Iwas not sure if visiting scientists had access to
the hot areas.
Removing a biological agent would not be difficult. One
could shower out with it on one's person or use the pass box.
[:::::::]said "ice cream containers", small cardboard containers
often used in the labs, could be used to carry out an agent by
passing it through an ultraviolet light making the outside safe,
however the inside of the container could still remain hot.
[:::::::]felt that safety regulations were slack at
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[::::::]does not know anyone with interests in obtaining
dangerous items nor was anyone interested in gaining access to
specific agents.
does not know of anyone who had hostile attitudes
toward the government, politicians, the media or others.
never knew of any equipment to be missing from
USAMRIID. i
has no knowledge of how to prepare dried Ba and
send it i l n t e mai .
None of[::::::]family or associates traveled to New
Jersey in September or October of 2001.
[::::::]1did not know of any work to be done "off the
books " at USAMRIID.
[::::::]did not ever purchase mail products from vendingmachines in Frederick, Maryland nor has[::]ever purchased franked
envelopes. /
I Idid not know rior Uo[:2;::]I Ithe anthrax mailings. did not host any oreignvisitors to USAMRIID whi1e[::]was employed there.
recalled thatId Iattended Iaround the time ofthe first mailing in September %DO1.
I Iprovidedl Iemail addresses;I I F] Ihas internetaccess at work. I Idoes not use the computer located at[:::]
residence.
rd access is recorded in and
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for the mailings of the anthraxlaced letters and
will provide the information to [:::::::::::::::]
[::::::]agreed to look for information that would show[::]
was home during the periods of the anthrax mailings and provide
said documentation to investigators.[;;;;;] [:::::::]agreed to take a polygraph exam on [::::::::::::]
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[:::::::::]only experience with Bacillus anthrggis GU,spores, veqeTat1ve cells. storaqe, rgjI I '-IAll of work was onI I
I IbothI IandIpersonnel, inasmuch a indivi ualsI II The vaccinesved-by fhese individuals assured their immuniginisity to workin the laboratory environment.I Iadvised thatl WI Inas no experience with the modified G sporulation media.
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[::::::::]has studied " sified" l't r t e n the A 1 e a ur 0drying of Ba. According to the rocedures for processingand weaponizing Ba are classi ie . knows that Ba sporesneed to be between 2 to 5 microns, in or er for them to be able tobe inhaled and remain in the pulmonary system. [:::::::]also knowsthat the spores need to be charged so that they repel each other.This charge allows the spores to remain aerosolized.
To the best of knowled e dried Ba is still9 Imaintained at USAMRIID. Hg;;;;;;;;§hLs read about the testing ofprimates at USAMRIID. This testing wo ave to involve Ba thatis maintained at USAMRIID. Based upon£;?:jreadings, Ba originallycame from the USDA, around 1950. The es strain is the mainstrain of Ba. This strain s eventually applied to the weapons
program. As fa knows, each strain can be traced backto its origin. as no knowle of USAMRIID everfarmin /dissemina ing strains. [::::::?fTdoes not know BRUCE IVINS,
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,_Iare theindivi a s a knows to be experts in weaponizingBa. who spo e at various USAMRIID courses, also spoke atAMRIID M d l M h ' l/ ' l ' l l ' the S e ica anagement of C emica Bio o ica Casua tiesCourse. After talking down ahgut as neverFnvited back. I I
h ' at pertains to the first
meeting between The article talks about the
weather and"wha a great time to release whatever." The articledoes not talk about the manufacturing process, just the optimaltime to release in agents. This is an article that wasauthored by[::::ffffFnear the end of the United States offensive
biological program.
I lworked on the "offensive" sideof the weaponization program. USAMRIID is part of the "defensive"side of the weaponization program. USAMRIID also works with
Aberdeen Proving Ground, for the design and production of
Chemical/Biological masks.
During [::] time at USAMRIID [::::::::]recalls oneinstance where there was an accidental release of Ba. This releasecoincided with the visit of a Senator from New Orleans. TheSenator was touring USAMRIID at the time of the release. [::::::::]
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is not sure of the date/time period of this release. Q2?e_Birelease ha ened inside the "hot area." To the bestknow1¢dge4*i1emembers| I I
[::::::::]was provided with a set of floor plaUSAMRIID. The rooms marked with an "X" are areas that
has worked in.
The firsJ'time was ror a tour, and the second time was during theaccidental Ba release. According to| Ithe cooler, roomEééi:]is still being used. well asJ
veBeen in the cooler at one time Qr
la ong wit variousLnIIsteU personnel.
"Piggy Backing" in the "hot area" did not occur. Havingsaid that, there was a problem with all of the other entrances.
The problem involved instances where several employees would enterthe facility, after only one person was granted access. To gain
access to the "hot area," one must be wearing the "blue chemical
suit." Visiting scientists, as well as visitors, by protocol, musthave all of their vaccines prior to entering the "hot area." Eventhough it is unlikely, it is possible for a visitor to gain access
to the "hot area."
| ,ibetween 1996and 1999, investigated a matter where USAMRIID soldiers
manufactured illicit dru s. These soldiers used a "hot suite" astheir laboratory. is not sure how they got their drugsout of the "hot area." stated, "If they can get theirdrugs out of there, that may be something that you want to lookinto." [:::::::::hlso said, "I am sure that someone can sneaksomething out if they want to." [:::::::]does not recall seeing
any sensors, nor any security measures, in place to detect theremoval of biological/chemical agents from USAMRIID. No one wasever "frisked" while entering or leaving USAMRIID.
[:::::::::hs not aware of anyone who expressed a desire tomake a Select Agent for use in an improper fashion; nor is[::::::::]
aware of anyone with access and ability, who expressed hostile
attitudes toward any political organization, the media, or others.
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[::::::::]d0es not suspect anyone to be the culprit of mailing the
Anthrax letters.
PreSeptember 11, 200l[::;::;::]recalls an incidentwhere a foreign scientist, from ew or , took a vial of VenezuelanEquine Encephalitis. This scientist took the 'al to New York,after being administered the vaccine. [:;:::::fjbelieves that thisscientist was from a Middle Eastern coun ry. CID tracked thescientist down and recover vial This scientist no longerhas access to USAMRIID.E:i?%iffjadvised that the FBI investigated
this matter as well.
toattend the
§§H There were no SOP's for decontamination within the[::]Lfr [::::::::] of USAMRIID. Paraformaldehvde is used to ' e the§§F rooms within] Iareas. IJ LTh land was removed from the area.is procedure was never needed while[::::::::]was at USAMRIID.
l:;::::::lhas never used plastic storage contaib6 as steril oxes, or storage of materials at USAMRIID.b7@ is not aware of a ded/unofficial work with Ba. During
time at USAMRIID, remembers a group that worked on nEfffinff:fnr:§j. All of work is recorded in.E:::::f
[::::::::]has never purchased prestamped envelopes, norhas[::]ever purchased th ped envelopes from the vendingmachines in Frederick. [f:fff;ffjEas never handled any of theAnthraxlaced letters or enve opes.
LE1 lthe letter s!sent to o ice of Senator Daschle. Onc the letters weredetermined to be weaponized-Anthrax,[::f]performed screening dutieson the USAMRIID personnel that examined the envelopes.
|:| knew lilprior to will[;;;::::] re einq[:::::::] inside RIID, on threeasions. 1;fEffi:iremembers seeing[::::%?fPwalking around thehalls of US RIID, unescorted, in the hallway between theseries and[:::]series of offices. All three times that
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sawl lwas no lon er ' ID.
| ldoes not recall seeing
I lhas never allowed[:::::::]to piggy back. has
never witnessed| |take any equipment, nor has seen
move any equipment around USAMRIID.
Typically, when a scientist comes to USAMRIID, he or she isas ' for one specific task, or to work on one agent, Einm whaiq
could gatherLj
never, nor hear about, working with cu tures, norlyophilizers would have to work in the laboratory in orderto work with cu tures.
E:::::::]has never seen ear the walk in cooler roomE::::]in the hot area of building The onlv time th I
went to the cooler was to assist with
was not an employee of USAMRIID; there o had no reason tobe in the cooler. [:::::::]never asked or access to anisolates e ui ment or acces to other r I | , q p , a eas of USAMRIID.does not know where ever stored any of? qmfterials orsamples. that brought insamples from
Accord it was rumored.that
t ldo hat
is not sure whetherCRIB I3 true Qr uni, never discussed relatio ships with
has a note that wrote to
note is written on an article that '
rom The note say§J
k::::::::]agreeu to provide Ehis article to the writer.
has ne h dl It lk b t| ver ear a a ouolitical issues, or any issues involvingdvised that the FBI hould talk if theyant to know about what[::::::f]has said about scenario ' volving ton and use of ' ' IW
U is un ami iar wit anreterence tol nor any connections between[:::::fjand New Jers y.
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. o time did ever enter an hot areas atUSAMRIID. [:::%E:jwas only al we cess to Ward[:f:]and was understr' l mes. was under constant su ' 'byI I I Iis nwntioned in the article thatIprovided Ehe interviewing agent.
1» IDCalso wor e wi hileI_J worked on theI I Ibelieves that is still working eat USAMRIID. neverrequested to se ever allowed to see, nor '' in Ba.
was a floor plan of USAMRIID and asked tocircle eac office that[:::::::]was in.
never purchased, nor otherwise obtained any prestampedenVeI°Pe$ Wglle at USAMRIID. [:::::::]never showed any antiAmerican
sentiments during his visit to USAMRIID.
t any time with the members of [::::::]while
Prior to hat, it was common knowledge thatspent time Wlthl It was hat wasinvolved ' I Aggbrging towas never properly set up through proper chgnne15;] t f
rying o wor a specia ea;believes that part of the deal was foere ore, prior to September ll,
enI Ifirst ' dat U§KMRIID, USAMRIID was t ' t k r| withjrrly I
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ard rumors that[:::::::]had1nany connections with|E:::] It was also rumored that theE;;;::::]had a lot ofmoney. Apparently, USAMRIID is no longer funde 1S way. USAMRIIDis now funded through proper military channels.
has never an cla conference, or coursewhere I Iadvised thati-- best sources o information on
who is now in w s on eIIlOI to arriving at USAMRIID. s the former
After September ll, 2001, the Physicians Assistant PA! to theh.W ite House contacted USAMRIID reference co erns about Anthraxatt n he PA was looking r1 is a|:|is possibly still at USAMRIID.
I lrecommendf that the EBI sneak_miLhI:¥::::]about the
Ac 'was being cnjiHered_iEéha position as
Qii that
Itaccompanied L19| I I I i not get the- I i
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E;;::::::]agreed to provide the interviewing agent the article onthe o ensive side of the Botulinum. ' This is the same articlethat has the|
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I T ldate of birth J Social. Security Mumbe?J I was interviewed by Special Agents r| hnd |at| Iplace of employment at
information:the U.S. Army Medical esearch Institute of Infectious Diseases
USAMRIID!, Ft Detrick, Maryland. After being advised of the
identities of the interviewing Agents and the nature of the 2
interview,[:::::::::::]voluntarily provided the following
| |current position is a
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| Ihave access to Bacillus
anthracis B.a. |use both agar and broth to grow B.a.
Tryptic Soy Agar TSA! is used most often as the agar growth
d' d t' N S 1 t'on M d' NSM! ' 1 d b t me ium, an some imes ew oru a i e ia is a so use , u
not ver often as unsure whether Modified G media isused. [%:]believes that| Iwould have laboratory
notebooks that would answer that question. Both single colony andmultiple colony culturing technigues have been used depending on
the type of experiments guesses that for the
culturing of the Ames strain, multiple colony culturing was
utilized.
first worked with B.a. during"[:::::;;:::;;:]
During the first Gulf War in the 1990's, wor wit
e mes s rain of B.a. increased as it was used as the test strain
in the laboratory. [:::::::::::]ha worked with, and continues towork with, live B ut[:?]has never produced a powderedform of anthrax. Ef::ffffff::believes that it would not be
difficult to produce powdered B.a. One would simply culture it and
dry it usin a l 0 hilizer, and then'mill it until it turns into a
powder. | Ihas traced the geneology of the Ames strain
that| |has| |back to BRUCE IVINS.
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DuringI Iwasoften in the "hot" suites in Building] I In recent years,
has not been in the "hot" s ' s very much. The B.a. used inlaboratory is stored in thetijsuite. [:::::::::::]has never used
plastic sterilite containers in USAMRIID. The research conducted
b as recorded in notebooks which are either stored in
or USAMRIIDs library.
[:::::::::::]believes that it would be very easy for
anybody with access to the "hot" suites to obtain samples of
anthrax or other kinds of agents. Anyone with the intent to steal
it would only need to put a few spores under the fingernails, on
the earlobe, or any other part of the body. Even if USAMRIID
conducted security checks on people leaving the building, the
spores would never be detected. As long as there are no open
wounds in the area of the body that the spores are stored, the
perpetrator would not be adversely affected.
I Inumerous foreign visiting
scientists through the years. Records of these visits ar kept at
office of USAMRIID. recalls thatwas a foreign visitor fromI Iwho had accesséto theo ' the need for an escort.I Iperused
through folder which was kept in filin cabinet
and told the Agents that was at USAMRIID in
for approximatel or sliqhtlv more thanl I I
worked onI _ _ _ I and seeing thedifferences between| I I I I
did ex res n ' ' ' p I s a interest in obtaining the Amesstrain and a II However, the agreement was never finalized an
II Iis currently in the E::::::]
Another foreign visiting scienti I ' t require an
escort was last name unknown:LNU!. not
believe that LNU was in the hot suites. does not
recall any ot er scientist who showed a special interest in the
Ames strain. [:::::::::::]has never noticed anybody in the
laboratory o "hot" suites that didn't belong or that might
have aroused suspicions.
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I Ihas never been a member of the[::::;::;;:]or has I:I ever spent time with peop e w o
were part of the
[:::::::::::]has spoken with only once
or twice. ecialty wasI I I
spoke with about the possibility of looking at
different II I I Idoes not know an thingabout whetherI Ikept I[:::::::]at USAMRIID. also did not have any knowledgeof-a pulmonary anthrax sample taken from aE;;;::::;;]patient that
is ur orted to have been received b USAM in e early 1990's. s never spoken with about expertise or
knowledge of anthrax.
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| Other than a ip inI Ihas never stayed in New I
Jersey. I Ihas driven through the state to get to New York, but
has never stopped in New Jersey. During the week after September11, 2001,I Iremembers being in the Frederick, Maryland
I area. In October 2001,I Iwas in
E::::::::::]was asked whether[:] woul ke a
ol ra h re ardin th ' p yg p g g e anthrax investigation. did notagree to take it, stating that[::]did not believe it was necessary.
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Synopsis: Report results of elimination investigation to date
regardingI Idate of birth.E:::::::::]
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Details: [::::::]began employment with the United States Army
Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases USAMRIID! in
was investigated in captioned investigation
based upon with virulent Bacillus anthracis Ba in
spore form an access to the Ames strain of Ba.
work focused onI II
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Reviews of[:::::::] financial records from 1999 thru
2001 revealed no connections to New Jersey.
A time line of[::::::::]activities for the likely time
periods of the mailing of the anthrax letters from Princeton, New
Jersey was compiled using USAMRIID security key card access
records, home telephone toll records, credit card use, and
personal bank account records via cleared checks provided! and
Fort Detrick motorpool vehicle records. The timeline focused
on any applicable six hour period for which [::::::]would be
unaccounted, with the premise that it takes approximately six
hours to drive round trip from Frederick, Maryland to Princeton,
New Jersey. -
Time-line First Mailing :00 p.m., 9/17/2001 through
8:00 p.m., 9/18/Z001!
A review of[:::::::]USAMRIID key card access activity
displays thirty 0! recorded accesses to building[::::]on
9/17/20o1- the first entry "IN" at [:::::::::] and the final exit
"OUT" at
A personal check from a| laccount of[:::::::]and
or "Cash", was negotiated at
bank, The check was
endorsed on the reverse by signature and processed on
9/17/2001 at 4:48 p.m. for cas , as per the time/date stamp below
the endorsement.
There is a fifteen-hour and twenty-minute period from
4:48 p.m. 9 17/2001 until nters via "IN" access to
building| Iat USAMRIID at on 9/18/2001. No records
were reviewed which can demonstrate hereabouts for the
fifteen-hour twentyminute period. |[::::::::]stated in an interview that to the best of] |
recollection, [::::::::]was home all night on 9/17/2001.
entered IN building of on I n II| USAMRIID and kinally exited "OUT" of buildinqi I atl
a
Fort Detrick vehicle ac uired by BRUCE IVINS at 7:42 a.m. as permotorpool records, tolg
| | The vehicle was returned
to Fort Detrick motorpool at 3=42 p.m. on 9/18/2001.
wrote a personal check, which was
ne ot' ' a g iated at the I t | on 9/18/2001
as per the] Iendorsement stamp on the reverse
side of the check.
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[::::::] made a long distance phone call on 9/18/2001
fromI Iresidence at 6:16 p.m. to| II I atI I which iasted
sixty-Ehree minutes.
Time-Line Second Mailing :00 p.m., 10/6/2001 through
11:00 a.m., 10/9/2001!
[::::::] made a long distance phone fromI Iresidence
on 10 6 2001 at 9=50 a.m. to] |
which lasted two minutes.
. I Iwrote and negotiated a personal check at the
I IinI Iat 2:20 p.m. as per the
en orsement stamp on the reverse side of the check.
E::::::]nwde a long distance Fhone call froml I Iresidence on 10/6/2001 at 2:47 p.m. to
inI I which lasted four minutes.
I IandI Iin t 'nd were at theEf:fffEiEf:ffuntil
late in the evening. No exact time was noted.
There is approximatel a ten to twelve hour time periodfrom theI YIonI ' which no
records were reviewed which can demonstrate whereabouts
untilI at approximately on10/7/2001. I staTed]in an interview a [:::]waswith] Ithat evening as far as can recall.
'An electronic attendance recofd from the[::::::::::;:::]
inl I |:|at _provided by Ireports that[::::::]attended[::::::]that week.
There is approximately a fourtyfourhour and nineteen-
minute time period from approximately 10:00 a.m on 10/7/2001 to
< 10/9/2001 at 7:19 a.m ' hich no records were reviewed
which can djminterviews
I Istated that as far as they could recal1,I I
was at home during this time period 0/8/2001 being a holiday!.
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[::::::]vms given a polygraph examination on[¥;;::::::]
which targeted any knowledge of or involvement in the an rax
mailings. The report of the ol raph examination states that nodeception was indicated by[:j¬::f¬]during the polygraph
examination.
handwriting was reviewed and compared to the
' ' the anthraxlaced letters by handwriting experts on
Results of the comparisons were negative.
[::::::] has been interviewed se times and hascooperated f1g_]__1y with this myestigaQo s aware of|:|
and has been very
helpful in identifying jointly used laboratorv space andequipment as well as coworkers| I I
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