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TO _, Director FBI _ AIR MAIL DATE: .Ll.lgl18'§ 25, 1947FROM SAC, San Francisco '1 =-st C! ¢
SUBJECT: REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS
,_ F -- - t .= 3There are being transmitted herewith to the Bureau phctostatnic copies 57¢
. of three reports received from Lieutenant Colonel _A-2, Fourth
..Air Force, Hamilton Field, California, involving reported sightings of
discs.
The Los Angela: Office is being furnished with a photostatic copy
the report of Lieutenant Colonel dated August 1s, 1947 concerning the
investigation conducted at the Muroc Flight Test Base, Muroc, California-
The Butte Office is being furnished with a photostatio copy of thereport of Lieutenant Colonel _dated August 20, 1947 which sets forth e £76
letter received from M
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This office is ntaintaining contact with Lieutenant Colonel Q 76
and will furnish the Bureau with a. subsequent report from him concerning the ob-
servations of Mr_8acra:aento, California, who has reported
certain observations which he believes may involve a flying disc at Placerville,
California, on August 14, 194'?» -
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sis , ' The original story, as related b was to the effect that whil ' TI e patrolling in his at near aury
Q land, hsshington, sighted six flying discs, one of which fluttered to the
earth and disintegrated, showering his boat with fragments which caused sane
- V18 ompany an c pu s es antastic adventure magazines in
hica , se ' him fr ents of the flying disk and relating the above story. '&requeste rans-Radio Nev}; in Chica o to verify the stor as relatedby legra h ab nfi n 1. p e co ming s cry,
hen engag Boise, Idaho, who was the first to report
3" . -"»._|,- sighting the flying disc and m had previously made a contract forH The following, in e ral, are the facts e arding the - .
flying disc story that started by _ which 1';g subsequently resulted in news stor es th aco 5 7,
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F115 meetina- Captain DAVTDSON and Lieutenant EH01.-Ti of inmy :1-'2 n e igence from
Hamilton Field, California, all met in room at various times during»;
the afternoon and evening of July 31, 191;? and discussedthe flying disc
story as related by The Army Intelligence Officers, Captain
DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO-..~l-I, left about 2:00 A. If. the morning of August l,
l9£;? to return to Hamilton Field, California for fair Force Day in a F5-25 and
were carrying some of the reported disc fI¬:1-{f:I18I'ltS. The left engine on theB-25 burned an exhaust stack which in turn caught the left wing afire, the A7wing subsequently breaking off and tearing off the tail. The B-25 crashed, C
killing Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BEOZIN. However, the Crew Chief and
a hitch-hiker parachuted to safety. Intelligence Officers at ;IcChord Field,
Washirxgton advised there was no indication of any sabotage. The plane crashed
at Kelso, Washington ap_nro;:imately 2:50 A. IE. August 1, l9l+7.
Five anonymous calls were received by a -
and the Ta'cr>ma,"- between 11:30 J-.. "., July 31, 1%?
and 5:30 P. -,, .=.u_-;ust 2, 191$. lhe first -call T-ELS to a
approximately 11:30 .3. 1.1., July 31, in which the caller stated that there was
a meeting taking place at that time in room 502 of the Tfinthrop Hotel concerning
the disc fragments found on Maury Island. The second call was received between
1.1=o0 A. rs. and 12=oo noon, August 1, 191+? by the in
which the caller advised that at that moment a big meeting was taking place
in room number 502, Winthrop Hotel; that the B-25 which crashed was
carrying disc fragments and that I-EcChord Field officials had stated it was
shot down or sabotaged. The third call was received Friday, August l, 19A?at 5:30 P. ?i. by the Tacoma, in which the caller stated
that the B-25 which crashed a he so, aashington was carrying flying discfragments and that the dead officers were Captain DAV1TI'JECN and Lieutenant ABP.0..TJ, .7.2 Intelligence Officers at Hamilton Field, California. This call
was prior to the release of the dead officers' names by Army authorities and
the caller indicated th:..t when the names were released, it would verify the
information he was furnishing was correct. The fourth phone call was received
at ar:;92roximately"5:h5 P. 't., Friday, August 1 by the_ in
which C8-11 the caller stated the B--25 was definitelrshfit down and that if he
¢°1'1t5~¢'°@d -"'-T-III, Intelligence officers they would not deny it. The fifth phone call v-es reCeived by the T8-C9313, at 5:33 p_ _v_ ;_._,gu5t 2
191+? at Whiflh time the caller stated the J-25 was shot down from the air with
8 20 I11-HM Cal-Flora; that the Marine olane found recently on ?.'t. R.-J,in_ier had alsobeen Shoig down and thtqwould be taken to Bright Field Tuesdaymerning. .'."hen the Army author ties released the names of the dead Intelligence
j1fl¢@I"§_1'~'hich verified the information as given by the anonymous caller, tit»;
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the flying disc story and their actual part in the story. United Airlines pilot I
states that on July 31, 19!-.7, both related their
original flyig disc fragment story. Information gathered would indicate that
the anonymous phone calls were possibly made by _in order to build
~ up the flying disc story to the point where they could make a profitable sale. of the story to _-Chicago Illinois. No facts have been developed [77,-_l uld d fi tel rove that *1»:-zde these calls however, from all "_ whichwo eni yp e- facts and information gathered, it appears he is probably the most likely ti _.
f' have made the anonymous calls. The detailed interviews of the persons con c-
ted regard to this flying disc story are_being_ set out .'below._ I ._ ~- .
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"__ .1-. Tacoma, Yfashington on August es, :>,- lam
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advised that in the ear part 0 June, l?L.7 he was requested by the Seattle
er to check on a story which he was informed had been obtained
from the r-per wnshinzton.__Ihe_s.tory_uas_sup;.>osed to have l
originated witf. _stated that the story__was to the effectthat .-while patrolling in his boat near Maury Island, saw five or six p
' flying discs," one of which fluttered toward the ground and finally disintegrated.""' ' * """' ' " " '"" " "" "" e boat in{PB 9I1'D§ OI -T4118 QISC SP6 TBPOITBQ DO DEVE BDOWGPEQ QOWH OH Tvcansing some damage and ki his -dog. 'qstated that he went=> the some ---%.-amt. ashinswn to <=h~=1< withhim on this flying disc story. He stated that as best he could recall, this A ,:
was Just a few days after the first flying disc stories had appeared in the paper
-_ and was on a Sunday evening. He believed it was the early part of June. He
stated that-took him in the kitchen and proceeded to talk about this flying
disc story in low muffled tones. He stated thstacted rather suspicious " _
__ . and that shortly his wife came into the kitchen and was in a considerable rage,
_ ' telling his admit that the snti story was a plain fantasy which he had
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-cation and should be in no way, carried as a news story and refused to @112-lish
any information regarding these repOI'ts. He further stated that he advised
the Boise Statesnan shortly before, or at the time left Boise
to come to Tacoma to check on the flying dies eta;-lee 192_rj__i;.h_
that-should not come as the entire story was a hoax
' The following information was obtained from
Deco.-na, Washington,
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on August 2 and subsequent stories intimating that the B-25 which crashed at
Kelso, Washington on the early mornin.g.of August 1, had been sabotaged or shot.
down because of the fact that it carried flying disc fragments. »st-ated
that on Thursday, July 31, at approximately 11:30 A. H. he received an anorgrmous
phone call in which the caller stated that_and Army Intelligence
officers were meeting in room 502 of the ffinthrop Hotel to check on the flying
disc story from which fragments were obtained on Maury Island._sta.ted he
turned around to speak to his editor and when he picked e hone eline He stated that the caller asked for1 who was out at the time of the call. He stated
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Iroom 502 in the Jinthrop Hotel and was vised
furnish no information as he was there on a
mission. that on Frida* Au ust 1, between 11:00 A. H. and noohe received another phone call for&in which the anonymous caller
stated "that he might have sane information for him. _asked the caller if
he was not the same party that had called the previous date and he said yes.
The caller then related that at that moment there was a big meeting in progressin Tm, 502, in the Winthrop Hotel; that the s-25 which crashed that
morning Kelso was carrying flying disc fragments from California and that - .
!!cChord Field officials had stated the plane was sabotaged or shot down. ,The
caller then hung up after making some statement to the effect that he was a '
switchboard operator. .stated that he went to the Winthrop Hotel on Friday
about noon and found that there was no male operator on duty. He stated he then
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crash of the B-25 and
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had not been released yet by the Army and that this would verify his statements.w stated that the following morning, Saturday, .-nigust 2, the Lrmy
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and two days later verified tnat they were army Intellig
stated that the anonymous caller again later contacted
his b that name, and at this time stated he did not call$01" the End denied calling
In this call the anonymous caller stated that, "Don 't m doing r
you." He then asked if the story had been put on the wire and v:hen_
said yes, the caller stated, "We want this to get back to New Jersey." The
caller further stated that the B-25 was shot down by a 20 m.m. cannon and that
the marine nlane which was recently found wrecked on the side of t. Rainier,
been missing for several months, he} also been shot down. lhc caller
to nth-at he should get in touci. with a flyer named -with
ikited .-lirlhnes who, he stated, was with _92~'h@I"1 they Wire $11011 at
over Montana. The caller then stated, "I'll see you Tuesday. I'm goin to
Fan Francisco." stated that he had checked with of
United Airlines who denied knowi any pilot by the name o deniedever hav' C, I hi » '
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call in which the caller stated that ould be sent to l"htanonymous
Field on luesday and that °aturday one of the men who found fragments of the
fl" Q isc was to be flo»n to Alaska bated hut in view of tie fact
t r information as to the Intelligence officers on the B-25 had been as
' d by the anonymous caller, had subsequently been verified by the Army,
was released that the B-25 was carrying disc fragments returning to
Field, California and furnishing the inference that the plane had beenated that about 8:00 P. K. on Sundail August 3,
t his home,
stated he had not given any story out to the Post
lntelligencer at Seattle; stated that he had gotten a telegram to call a number
in Eoise and when he called and found out it was the Boise Statesman, he had
hung up. He stated that the Boise Statesman then contacted him, at which tine
he admitted he had seen the disc fragnents, but that he did not take any of 1
then. This time _informed -that he had been with_
Q Public Relations Officer from LZcChord Field, all afternoon until about
3=1,5 P. ->inr j that he had told the Army authorities every-
thing that he and knew about the flying disc fragments story from the
tine that left Boise, Idaho and he had left Seattle, Iuzhington.l This time that there were some of the supposed disc i'r:.j'92ents
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exploring a gravel pit on Maury Island and found some stran e rock formations.He stated they picked up some of these samoles and that hlatersaw them and they went back over to I»-Iaury island at which time additional
samples were obtained and tl1atsent these to a friend of his at--the
University of Chicago to have analyzed. They stated that they received areport and that apparently this friend had asked a newpapermao to find out 5
where the rock formations were obtained. Qt-r1d-told _t'nat
sometime after the first flying disc story had appeared, they received a tele-
gram from Trans-Ocean Press from Chicago wanting inf ocnnation on the flying
disc fragments. titted that they had at no time indicated--the
rock formations were a part of a. flying disc and that Captain and
were not interested in the rock formations and they denied
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th regarding the anonymous phone calls which he had
received. He stated further that the first call he received was on Friday, _
August 1, at around 5:30 P. 1!. At this time the caller stated that the B-25
which crashed at Kelso, Washington was carrying disc fragments and that the
two officers killed were Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BRO!-I, officers with
Army A-_? Intelligence at Hamilton Field and that the fragments were top secret
material. He stated the caller indicated that when the Array released the names
of the dead officers it would verify that the information he was furnishing was
correct. stated that the second call he received at approximately
6:A5 P. H. Friday, August l at which time the caller stated that the B-25 wasdefinitely shot down and that if he contacted Army Intelligence A-2, the manin char-_-;e would not deny it. w% "tsted he thought the man said to con-* . -
tact Colonel- but it was found out it was Colonel- who was in charge
of Army Intelligence A-2. The caller further stated that the Sheriff's Office
- i h d th t ci liens had been allowed near had been Kept awe. from the cras an a no vi llthe pl8.n¬?. i stated the third call he received at 5:30 1". 1-.:., ihzgust 2, -
anl that this time the caller stated that one of the men who had been rrinferring
with Captain ml _.'.'é1S trlcen to Eilasica that day. Qha caller
further stated that the B-25 was shot down from the air with a 20 m.n1. cannon;
that the Karine plane found recently on Lit. Rainier had also been shot down;
that Captain _v;ould he taken to .'.-ri;*_ht Field Tuesday morninr: and that a
United Airlines pilot by the name of_flew with Captain ~.:hen they
were shot at over I-Tontana. The caller stated he was leaving for San Francisco
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of ~the B-25 and he was informed that no investigation was being conducted bythe Seattle Office. _at this time related in a rambling story that hef/;,
had picked up some strange rock formations which he had forwarded to a friend /~
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viewed at the Tacoma resident agency office. Both at first '
denied aw "knowledge of how the rock formations which they had picked up to
have alalvzed became connected with the flying disc stories. Both denied
making amr statement to anyone that these rock formations were portions of a
di fragment. It was apparent from the start of the interview that.a.nd . were not telling their complete and true connection with the f]y@
disc story. They refused to give any definite information as to what they said
or had done which caused them to become involved i1 a .¬'lyihg disc story, but A '
ave evasive answers and repeatedly stated that they had nothing to do with it 8 .' and were -at a loss to understand how they became connected with the flying disc
story After considerable questio they stated that in the early part ofJune/any sent to_>f bxglg-if-Davis Publishing Company which publishedth$Fantasy magazine in Chicago and $5; 'f:E5tiYi+ei.ieg5e1ne iii Eviinstbn, Illinoissomerock formations which they had found on Maury Island. They stated they A YCsent these formations, asking_to have them analyzed. They stated that
later WIOte and asked for more samples, advising he had failed to analyze
the samples, stateJ.. they have never sent any additional %ples
and that the next they heard re arding the rock formations which they had sent if was when he called *-and asked if the rock formations could -J
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~ could have come from a flying disc and that he immediately sat down and wrote
a letter to- which was in the latter part of June in which he statedth t ial could ave been portions of a flying disc. claimed that he
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contains no information of value and therefore is not being set forth herein.
Regarding the meeting which was held in the Iiinthro Hotelon Thursday, July 31, tated thrtt they"-both 1 t'*there about 1:00 P. TI. They stated that they all left room about
3:00 P. ti. and that took to Berry's .'-.irport at Tacoma and
flew his plane to Seattle where he oicl-ced up Captain *
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' Lstated that he and left about 8:30 P. n. when he drove ti.-to Se
to get his car and that went home at this time. stated they
returned about 11:30 P. LE. at which time the Army Intelligence officers. were
in room and that Left about midnight. He stated that hereturned to _'1"oom Friday afternoon for aperox:|'.mate]_y one-half hour A
from 2=3o to 3=0o P. $5., et which time and were still there and
neither seemed to be able to recall if -":us in room on Frida;r,
August l. The best that could be obtained from and-es to whet
took place in _ room was to the effect that most of the tell: was about
flying, that no one seemed very interested in the rock formations and that
they had no connection as far as they knew with any flying disc.
Stated that wanted to obtain pictures of the place where the
rock formations 1-were obtained and that the Army Intelligence officers did not
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JP Qher1ff's officers. Tacoma, sshincton,Army serial number- During the war Es was a pilio! and it is believed
presently holds a Reserve Officer's commission as a Captain.7:;
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Officer, Hc Chord Field, advised that this investigation of the crash reflected
an exhaust stack had burned out on the left engine which in turn caught the
left wing afire and that when the left ting broke off, it also broke off the
tail. The plane at. the time of the crash was carrying Captain DAVIDSON,
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interview on August 12, 191+? with Captain
United Airlines pilot: It should be noted that
y received publicity for having supposedly seen
flying; discs or similar objects on July 1+, last while on a routine United Air-Jines flight out of Boise, Idaho in company with his cmpilotconcerning this incident. Captain -vstates that they took off from i>oise,é7C
Idaho at 3:12 F. YT. and headed I-for-thwest at__3O0 degrees and -while still cli'~1fT.n;;
at 8,000 feet, copil0t -called his attentior; to some objects in the
sk ahead of them about ten degrees left which neither one could identify.*states that he called a CAA radio operator at Ontario, Cregon -and reques-
ted hJ.m to step outside his radio shack and see if he could see any of these
objects overhead. The CAA radio operator replied in the negative.
Captaintates that he first met on
.T'-ly 5 in the offices of the v.'here both were being,
izterviewed concerning their sighting of fl_','i.ng discs. -states thrt he
next met about three weeks ago in Boise, Idaho at -.-zhich time he,
was on another flir-"ht through Boise, Idaho and had a. ten minute lay-over there, n this occasion was in company of Captain ..'ILLIAI' L}:fi:'=vIDSOII and
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K: " ' a t rd"-en he received a tele hone call from callin" from Taco ;a uuiy 31, l s . p .. _/, . .
in the early afternoon at which time he asked .to come over to Tacc-ma and
join him as he was investigating a flying disc story for someone back .ast"
and some fragrients were involved which liight be intcrc;ste~- in seei.ng.
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" .-'net-at Boeing Field at about l4.:OO P. M. and they flew to Berry: Airportat Tacoma, .'-Iashington where they were met by e three of themproceeded car to the Winthrop Hotel where vas occupyingroom 502. order d something to eat and during this time either - ' |||||i|||||||s ' ' hem to -. . ' '
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the story in Tacoma. i!1f02'1.'.ed-n.t th:'-.. ti-.1e that
after receiving this letter he had called _by telephone in Chicago
as a result of which call_had forwarded him 51200.00 expense money
for covering the story. Shortly thereafter at about 7:30 P. "._ .1 _ _ *-"
arrived at the Hotel room and the discussion began among the four men present
,0 .as o what had seen on iiaury Island; professed reluc-
tance to tell the story, claiming that several unfortunate incidentihai
occurred subsequent to his seeing the flying discs and he bclieved_the entire
incident had brought him bad luck. In this connection he stated 'tn'st four or
five days subsequent to his sighting the flying discs, a man called at his
home and had a conversation with him the course of which_,was warned to
forget all about everything he had seen on or near Iiaury Island. In addition
to that, - stated that his sixteen year old son had run away from homefollowing the incident and had been picked up by the police somewhere in
LE t» A ' ' 'On ana. fter some further dlSCL1SSlOn finally agreed to tell his story
of the flying disc incident in front of _ fter eliciting a promise from
that he would not discuss the matter for at least two w " Itsens. shouldbe noted '1'-h h-'i.d previously told his story to 8, ."-.t
this point related the incident which has already been descri"-:=c:1 and which
he alleged had taken place on or about June 23 or 21 Ifhile relating the
incidentmientioned that he had taken pictures of the flying disc vh iohhe had seen but that the printed films were marred with white spots. '-}henhad concluded his story, Ehted that he had gone the followingday o 1-Iaury Island to verify wh had told him concerning the fragments
and had at this time picked up several fragments and taker. them 1-:itn him. Atthis time related that he also saw one of the flying discs hovering
over the Island but that it -had dies eared into a cloud. .'.l:en.r.-nd cad finished telling their story atold the group that he had e.-".1-lier in
that evening called Captain D.".VID5OI92T and Lieutenant BRO-'.iu-, Army Intelligence
officers and that they were on their way to the Hotel room. At this point
protested that he did not wish to tell his story before anyone else and he
was advised by: that if such was the case 1.-:h idn't he just leave and not.oe there when they a rived. then left the room andwent downstairs.rgeparted a one. drove- back to Boeing Field
near Seattle 1'."he' desired to pick up his own personal car, which he old.
They then returned to the Hotel where the ' found Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant"%P.O'.i1-J in room 502 t $ met them at the door and seemed
_ excited, explaining to hat Captain DAVIDSON had just drawn a reproduction
of a freak disc which-had supposedly been seen by a woman in Arizona and that
this dr.a'.'.'ing was an e;<;-let reproduction of the flying disc which uni, had
seen several weeks before, nearing Mt. Rainier. states that ho tl "" s r y U ter-£".is _sc-emed very anxious to tell is and= story to the ..r..:;; offi-cers. Before this was done, however, had a discussion with Lieutenant
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the opinion that there might be some truth in the current flying disc stories,
but that their immediate superiors presumably A-2 at Hamilton Field! did not
agree with them. BIIUJN and D..-ID.30N then held a brief discussion as to whether
they should return that same night to
they would. All fivc of the men thenIlamilton Field and they decided thatwent down to the lobby where 2?-Rf. I-I E
detached himself from the group and entered a phone booth to call for 2. ca
from IIcChord Field. also left the group and .'.".<3t anon: outside the p?"_:_=:92.e
booth 1.'here they held a short discussion relative to the credibility of-
story. £{{o.n-I indicated to _that he should attemt to find
out if the story was on the level and
day regarding this matter. The group
at which time wrought his car
his trunk a hox of the alleged flying
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Field the box of fragments was placedthat BIlO..lI would call him the following
then proceeded to the front of the Hotel
to the front of the Hotel and took from
disc fragments picked up on Iziaury Island.
and when the Army car arrived from I.?cChord
in the car with the officers.
denarted alone and _ went --"in search of :o.=nethinr-' to curt and laterQ $4
returned to the Hotel for the night.
On Friday morning, August l, 19b7, -1-eceived a callfrom informing him that a B-25 had crashed during the night and it was e
believed to be the same lane which BROTJI and DAVIDSON were flying. Fo owingthis call -and&came to the Hotel room and from the room A
acain called 192-icChord Field in an attemot to get infomation about the crash. colt the phone from
'1' unselfnd tpoke to a Colonel identifying
anC1.8.si';ing if the B-25 which crashed was the only one which had taiiizn
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ing this
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to havecall mailedI-icChord Field the previous night. told his that it was. Follow-
in Chicago and;informed him of the
night's conversations and the fact that DAVIDSON and .'3BO'..'TY were believed
been killed. _told to discontinue his investigation of
the incident and that he, was no lonr-er interested. -then took
the phone from -and askedsituation. was unable to say what g reply tonnes. Fciif heucould shed any linht on the
lowing these telephone discussi0nssays that he called whom
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call. After returning to the Hotel room,
attemsting to gain information, but they d .. give -erw. Later, e. Kr.e of the called andwke to im on the telephone
but_refused to give out any information. further relates that while
the. four men were in the room at this time, an envelope was shoved under the
door and that he retrieved it from the iloor. states that tho appearance
of this envelope seemed to startle. considerably and that in fact,
turned white as a sheet until- read the note unsigned which was a commu-
nication to the Hotel advising that a strike of Hotel employees was eminent and
' h lo er Shortly that guests should not expect room and telephone service muc ng .
after this identieft the Hotel room elfter promising, to
' take _to Henry Island the following mOInln-, Saturday!. _p and.-then went out for dinner and on-their return, #!ou.nd a note in
the box requesting him to call a certain tele hone number. e did this fromI 1 "bnvho requested the Lotel room and was answered by _ W _ _to go out and call him from a pay station. complained and wasinformed bpthet two anonymous telephone calls had been received by
him that a discussion regarding flying discs had been taking place in room 502
at the Winthrop Hotel which involved Jenny Ir.tel1.ig,ence officers. From the
information w'nic'nii'1ad received, ii-was convinced that the anonymous
" caller must have been present at the discussion also, as.'was seemingly
in possession of pertinent remarks which had been made in the room.
' d th t in conclu- th t he did not give.n.ny further infomation an a states a
oion of the call, he returned to the Hotel room and he and_>retired for~
the night. '
morning, August 2, 191+? redeived a tele-
phone call 111 Chicago, but was unable to give him any
further inf him, however, that he would call him baa"at 2:30 called from a coffee shop nearby and
an unknown man in the Coffee Shop for
rson was discussing some lumber business 'th- P8 .and left after breakfast. On leaving -the coffee BhOp,.&$k8& about
f th flying the negatives of the photographs which he claimed to have taken o ediscs. said the negatives were in the glove compartment of his car, by esa search of the instant glove compartment was fruitless. The four then pr /
-' the were to embark for Iiaury Island ceeded in-s car to the dock there y .
The boat, however, could not be started and the trip was postponed until later
in the day. '"hile at the dock, however, .aeked to be shown the damage
to the boat which had allegedly occurred when the fragments showered down on
t h t a h ve been repairs to the windshield _ Maury Island. pointcd on 1': a m y a
' th b t but mas not personally satisfied that these repairs and lights on e ca , i _
-. were made as a result of any such incident. then drove
ximately lO:I+5 R. M. and .to1»d them ' hand-back to the 1-Ictol at appro
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Jinthrop Hotel. -ctated that the przrpose of this meeting was to try tofind out something more about the anonymous phone calls which had told
him about, He and still refused to give out any further information
regarding the Thursday evening conference to end were informed by-that the nwas afraid of being scooped on the story and was going
to print something on that day. and _then returned to -h-1 hotel
and shortly thereafter received a phone cell from but the ca_ll was
cut off by the switchboard operator since it was not an emergency ca-ll.and then returned to the Hotel lobby vshere they found e. tele_¢jram"from
-asu:|.ng them to call him at either Broadway or Proctor _is not
sure of the exchange. .>alled this number, but x."as not there.
- Y" U ' T le ra h Office and dispatched states that he went then to the Hestern nlon e ga collect telegram tomat the éwhich contained a
brief resume of the incidents '.'.hich had occurred and which requested to
wire _a telephone number v:herecould be reached after 6:00 P. II.
states that he has never received an answer to that wire. Followingthis,states that he and athat he and _r:ere sitting in the
lobby of the C'l;nnpi.c {Total when ent<.red"and gave thezr. each ct; of the
latest edition of the T£;.CO:!!=". Tiizes which contt inecl :.; story llinting; an sabot "+1
in the crash of the Army B 5 which killed Captain D..VID3CI=T and Lieutenant BIC 1.".stated that he and continued to occupy seats in the Hotel lobby
most of the afternoon inasmuch as they were unable to receive calls in the Patel.
room due to the Hotel employees strike. he relates that he received a call
in the late afternoon from _advising; him to call th't evening at
"-:30 as -had further information regarding the anonymous calls. also1-.~ceive'd c t¬.-l::_"jra.'n requesting that he ca1_'Luhicn he did ".*.:.r7 founiu._=.t it ';:as_Of the He refund ts give anyfurther infon.1ationia.t this tine. However, shortly thereafter, goalie
from Boise and advised _that the Army had released a story through Prigarlier
Ceneral 5I'IPJ1I.§ revealing the confidential assignment which BRO F3. and TLVIDSCI-I£'.:.d been engaged on. In view of this release, requested to an;-:'.:er
one question for him which was, "L-.ere they carrying any alleged disc fragmentson the plane?" and answered, "Yes, they were." I-ollovn'.ng this
ca} led as per his earlier request and was infomed that "f the
had received another anonymous phone cell at which time the v: ice"
s-i '1 th t the 5.;nr:y B-25 carrying Captain _"..'.ID3CI"I and Lieutenant 2?.C had
- been sh L do=.-in with 20 ..""...'n. shells and that the Ifazrine plane found oz; "t.
Iaxinier had also been shot down with 20 m.m. shells. The voice we on to
that _w;oulc1 be called back to liright Field on Tuesday. Then
'.:.=l-Zed why he vzas piving out this information the caller replied that it
not for the benefit of the newspapers, but that he was interested in seeing
that the information got back to ew Jersey. The voice also informed
't "hi" time that one of the two persons who had. been talking to and "' _ d. L» ->
- i had now left for Alaska. As a result of this latter bit of infdhmutior.
= 1 t <5 1 = decided to find out if or_ha¢1 left t0-J11. lit oca e._ at, -the Junset Theatre an came to hOtel and met and ?
' L! ey were unable to locate y phone andleft saying that .~.e wouldtry to find out where was and that he would call them tomoiow Sunday!
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returned to the Hotel for the night.
On Sunday morning, August 3, 191$? , -appez-ired at theHotel room and told them that he had received a. letter from which said
in effect "Take care of my business. I'll be out of town for three or fourdays." had a letter with him but he did not show it to or-The three men then drove to_secretarys house in South Tacoma and
picked her up and the four of them then went to breakfast on the South Tacen;
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and called I.fa_jor.at ilcChord Field and ar1'ar.ged an appoint.";1er~t to me-w
icked up a typewriter and then drove and -1-lack éey asked him if he was going to take them to naury island the 7
day and he replied that he was not. He further stated that {.8 was sick of the
_ entire business and that if he was ever contacted by the Anny or the authori"ins
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nroceeded to tell Major the entire story of the incidents which
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'- :' ook L ' " . .. -.h t and su ested tothat he also tell "a_jort':"e'1.l'1Cl s oi, since ay
W Ha or oaciz to the "otel and intro-" duced im 0 % gg , . entire story of w at had occurred. did so. iiajor after looj-zing
at the fragments .';hlCh were still in the room suggested that they drive out U-.2
the Smelter near Tacoma as he believed the slag at the Smelter would oe_.r a1+"'. i. . L. ,,.-.=.". distinct resemblance to these fragments. The three men then drove tc Li. ?t';I
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andhad "left in the iictel room. i'he_;: than rct92.1rncd to the -hotel room and
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all of his information in the hands of the jrstated that a couple
ked him if there of days later he callednat '1icChord Field and as' states that,-informed him that _1ad not yet been contacted but that the £ - forth 7cFederal Bureau of Investigation was "setting a trap for h1.rn"- er
advises that on Friday, August 8, 19147, he appeared before I-awyer_
at the County--City Building, Seattle and made a deposition of the facts relating
to the incidents in Tacoma from Thursday afternoon, July 31, last until Sunday
morning, August 3, last.
- A copy of this deposition is now in possession of the writer '
and is being forwarded herewith to the Bureau. It should be noted that this t
deposition is in no way as complete as the statement taken by the writer above
and any setting out of this deposition in this communication would be superfluous-
Copies of this communication are being sent to the Butte,
Portland, San Francisco and Chicago Offices for their information only. Unless
advised by the Bureau to the contrary, instant investigation is considered closed
by this office.
For the information of the Bureau, Captain?
Intelligence Officer, IvIcCho-rd Field, Ft. Lewis, Washington advised a the weekly
O.N.I.-S.I.D.-F.B.I. Intelligence conference that the Public Relations Officer 1,,
at Hchord Field had received a telephone call from an individual at Army Air p I
Forces Headquarters at liashington, D. C., during which call the Public RelationsOfficer was requested to obtain a signed statement fIOm "hi¢h
could be published and thus publicly close the matter. Captain further
related that he had no additional information in this matter and that he did
not handle it.
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100 feet in diameter, circular in shape, and it appeared that
there was a hole in the center of each as he could see the sky
through this hole. He also mentioned that on the inside of the
circle or the hole, that portholes were visible. Their speed wasnegligible as they appeared to hover over a given egot. One or
these objects appeared to be in trouble. Another o Ject came
over and appeared to make contact. Atter making this contact tor
approximately two minutes, it rose to its original position.
At this time the object that appeared to be in trouble
seemed to throw a lot of debris tron one oi the port-holes. These
Sc t this debris that objects then disappeared tron view. me o
landed broke in the wheelhouee or the boat, the spotlight, and the klaxon. While this debris was falling, my boy and Hr. Q
got off the boat and hid under some logs. This debris that e
killed our dog and a sea gull. I ashed Hr. _whnt was done wit.
the dog. Be made the statement they threw the dog into the water.
This story was told to Mr. Q who the next day .
went out to this Island to check on this s cry. He verified theC tact or the damage to the boat, also to the tact that there appear7 it f 2 ieces of either rock or metal on the_shore. Hr tobequ ea av p J?
d that while he was over there investigating on ' _ralso state
Maury Island, he also saw a disk. This disk was or the same shape
and contour as the objects explained by rir. .
at this point iir. gels;-itied tor he as to the reasc
h t h receiu-' he was investigating this story. Mr. stated t a ea rrom a iir. HEvanstcn, Ill nois. The g st of this letter was that 2.-Ir.
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or these fragments that were found on iiaury island. iii.
alsc made the statement in the letter that the Chicago
tn e fra ents and that would an-. I varsity failed to analyze es .. was sent _a western Union - please investigate the story. Mr
check for $290.90 to take care 9! any Bree-H86 that he mieht 141011;
while making this investigation.
- MI; _had made a telephone call to Hamilton Field t
contact a Captain Davidson and a Lieutenant Brown, who were with
A-2 intelligence at Hamilton Field, asking them would the" make a._ ' trip to ran to also listen to this story or andqih Mr acquainted me with the tact that he had made t E =v .A/[Q pngfie call in front oi lir. 1 Mr. leads the statement theI. _.
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put my car in the garage at Tacoma wen up to the Winthrop Hoteland in the row at that time v.-as Hr. ii Hr. --__-'*-, and EapteDavidson from Army Intelligence. Lieutenant Brown was downstairs
getting sandwiches and coffee. when Lieut. Brown came back, the
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es would be hold in strictest confiden: all the facts of these
until released by Mr
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take back to Hamilton Field.. -
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the thought as to whether to stay over night in Tacoma or leave fo:
Hamilton Field immediately, as the B-25 they were flying was
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Brown, plus a flight engineer and a hitch-hiker. This left both
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d the fact was verified again that the two pilots wereDavidson and Brown. ' _
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morning Saturday! for breakfast and going out to Maury Island.
'i'hat evening Friday! there was a message tor me to call
this particular telephone number that was on the message. I calla
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taken "place in your room since you arrived." To verity this, Hr.
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editor of the "Oregonian,"has stated that Captain William Lgdbavidsonand Lieutenant Frank HiXBrown of the Fourth AAF Headquarters, San Francisco,
were in Portland on Ju y 27, 19h?. While in Ihrtland they interviewed Dick
92laankin, an experienced pilot, who had reported that he observed, on June lh,/
a fonnation of ten flying discs over Bakersfield, California. Richards added
that Davidson and Brown had also interviewed the following four experienced
"pilots who were among the first to report seeing discs, Kennethirnold, bnsiirom Boise, Idaho; Captain E. J?§Smith, a co-pilot; Ralph§Stevens, United Ai
and DaveRJohnson, aviation editor, Idaho"Statesnan." In order to determinenessnan
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Ohio, and from him gained the impression that the AAF instituted this investigation_
to wash out the disc_reports since they are definitely not of AAF origin.
On Friday, August l, the plane in which AAF investigators, Captain
Davidson and Lieutenant Brown, were flying, crashed at Kelso, Washington and both
were killed. The wreckage was screened by RAF Intelligence from McChord Field.
The "Tacoma News Tribune" and through them toe United Press put out a story that
the plane was carrying parts of a disc which had struck a boat wned by Farold
Dahl and Fred Chrisman. It has also been inferred that this plane was sabotaged
to prevent these disc parts from being examined.
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not carrying parts of a disc and there appears to be no substantiation of a
charge.
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forth in more detail the results of the investigation surrounding the above
crash. No further inquiry is being made in this matter.nitely
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determined to be ofBoston teletype to the Bureau dated July 18, 1947.
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completed of the metal particles referred to. They wereordinary cast iron which had been subjected to a very £6high degree cf heat, The heat caused scales to be formed on the cast iron Vai
which were originally thought to be of some metallic alloy.
The scientist examining the particles concluded that if they had come through
the air from any great altitude in as small pieces as they were found then
most of the heat would have been taken from them by the time they reached
the ground and fires would not have resulted, It is noted they landed l
approximately 700 feet from a railroad track and inquiries were conducted by
MET to determine whether or not the particles could have been originally a
part of a liner in a smoke stack or some other part of the steam engine. These
inquiries resulted in positive information that the particles did not come from
a train or locomotive. Measurements cf the four pieces examined revealed
that they had most likely been originally all part of one hollow cylinder,
eight inches in diameter and three sixteenth: of an inch in thickness. It
was felt that one piece falling from a great height would have still retained
a good part of its heat and probably would have smashed when it hit the ground.
A scientist, whom _did not identify by name, recalled that cast
~ iron cylinders of similar measurements had been used in New Mexico on
research work on a guided missile project. However, this unidentified scie
did not so conclude to the exclusion of all other possibilities.
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are gathering through friends all additional pieces of the original cylindet"- . t
available. These will be turned over to the cston Office. No further, -; examination is being conducted by MIT and no effort is being mad?/ / 92IQ Directorc//F? /' 92 T! DATE, '1-29-4? , I/ 1/ UM -P non = SAG, Boston! I /
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to oreeh and burn thirteen 3! mile:
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The belie! that the crash was that or the unreported o+25. lhc Passenger,
Sgt. R. L. IAF?, of PT. LAWIOS, 3HiiTLE, ens uninjured, but reported that
th° 07¢? "hilt. T/33%. W. U. HLTHHW3, nae at a fern house near the scene of
the crash and eas injured. "Sgt. IL?! then led an ambulance to Sgt. HATEEKB
who ens subsequently taken to a local hospital. At 0610 ?3T an attempt
ins node to telephone Sq. B at HAHILICH FIELD but no answer was received;
however, it was known that HAHILIOH AFS was aware of the incident and
would notify Sq. B. At 070a PST Capt. LITTRELL departed in e C-45 for
KHLSO. At 0746 PST Sq B res contacted by phone and given a flush report.
At 0905 PST CAPT LITTPELL phoned and informed that he hnd placed CLP?AIH
PGRJBERG in charge of Army personnel proceeding to the scene of the crash.
80 aerial search was necessary as civilians in the area knew tho exact
location or the crash and had reported finding one ! body in the wreckage.
CAPT. LJTTRELL prepared to fly Sgt's TAP? and ¥ATH3n3 to HCGHOR9 FIELD
for nedionl attention, arriving at 0945 P37. The survivors stated that
they believed neither the pilot nor cc-pilot has pereohuted Iron the
plane. The osuse of the incident was at this time determined to be a fire
in the left engine. CAPT *gTTR2LL was infcrneo ey 5;t. IAFF that he
believed classified documents had boon aboard the plane; C$FT F3?3BLEG
was instructed to take necessary precautions. An ambulance moi tic plane
at HCCHQBD F1¬LD carrying the two survivors and took than to the hospital.
Inteagpgstion revealed that the left engine had caught fire in the power
section and flcmcs and smoke had spread to the flight deck almost inmedq
lately. The ore: chief, KAIHEGS, assisted TA?F in attaching his chest
pac; and TLHF abandoned the plane at an estimated altitude of 10,300 ft
this fact is doubted but ls not considered necessarily relevant}.
nsr¢:1o helped tho pilot and cc-pilot attach their cheat packs all per-
sennel had been nearing the harness! and as he left the plane one annrc that
the on-pilot was preparing to follow. The pilot had started Lo leave and,
to th92 beet recollection of PATBERS, was partially standing and holding
the odhtrol wheel with his left hand. 2ATnEb'S statenents indicate that
proper energenoy procedures had been performed but that the flares had en-
veloped the entire left side almost iancdiately. TiPF stated that, because
of the full noon and good visibility, he sow UATHEKS leave the plane and
ens able to follow the plane to the ground and that he sow no one else
bail cut. The ship ens enveloped in flazce and roe beginning to fell apart
before hitting the ground snore it exploded and burned about one ! mile
from where he, IAFF, landed. e lit in a tree, and not knowing how to
release his parachute of the quick-detachable kind, cut himself loose from
the harness with his pocket knife. he kicked and struggled and eventually
jumped to the ground, receiving a jolt on impact but as unable to guess
hoe for he had fallen. He then fclloeod a cow path for an estimated two
! miles to a fern house, arriving erter HATHRRS. Ecanuhile, as NATSHBS
cleared the plenu he turned and see the plane strike the ground, explode
and burn. Just before or just at the tine of impact he sew an object
atire thrown clear of the plane but did not know whether it was n person
or pert of the plene. HAIHLAS also lit in a tree, and after freeing himself
from his harness, fell to the ground where he injured his back. e lost
consciousness and on recovering went to the burning plane, about fifty
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0! yerde auey. Flare; were going of! en; he thought beet to loeve the
ecene. He heard a etrean nearby and rclloaod it uptil he cone to a house and
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-injured. wee driven into town. Then he led an ambulance to effect treneporte
ticn or A!HHE3 to a hcepital. Ueennhile, civilians reached the aeene of
the crush where they found one body. At 0930 PST, e nelaage from Sq 8
informed that top accret materiel ace in the nevigetcre kit and to requeet
Commanding Officer HCGHOED FIELD to expedite all available information to
Commanding fficcr BAQILTOE ¥I!LD. Hcanuhile, CAPT ?dHS3¬RG and four {4}
cnlieted non departed IELSO at 0830 P3? for ecenc of the crush. Thor were
transported by the HA3HI§GTJH STATE PGLICE who knew the exact location of
the plane 8°O9'H - l22°45'W!. The ground party determined upon arrival
at the eoene, that too ! bodice were in the wreckage. Indication: led to
the Belief that tho ccpilot was efirc then Be left the plane an instant
before impact. The pilot: romaine were found in the
lininery inveetigeticn by CAP? FQRSBERG dieclceed thewreckage. Pre-
plenee lert wing
about one hundred twenty-five 25! yards from the widely eonttored port-
tione or the plane. The loft win; vat intact and had rn;:r'nt1; torn
off just outboard cf the left engine before impact. 1;; frrwrrd portion
of the wing stub was melted but the fukf two third! indicated {»ct it nrd'
ripped loose tron the inhcerd eeotic: of the wing. elhe uir: leading edge
not undamaged. The navigation and
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belief that the win; atruek the tail section. Free theee indication:
it in believed the wing ripped from the airplane juet lfter MATIT33
abandoned the plane. The resulting spin thue prevented the remaining
' crow membere from bailing out although the cc-pilot may have been in the
hatch. _1 few civilians were in the area when CAPT FORSBERG arrived
and he took precaution: to prevent then from disturbing the nrcckege.
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Subject: Finnl Elaslon Rgpgrg 4 August 1947
STATISTICAL SUEllY
I. GROUED ICTIVITY
! Total nan hours by ARS Parnonnol in flol Y2
! Total man hours by othur Army Porsonnol Z
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! Total man hour: by civilian poraonnol oat! 1500
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__ Enclosed is a copy of a letter dated August 25, 191+!, vlrith __ attachment 1:-an Lt. C01. of A-2, Hamilton Field,"" ' 92 California. Even thougq ol. feels that Mr. may £75
'_ have read some of his claims in a newspaper, Col. -believes_ that H1f. should be interviewed in this matter.
__ , In accordance with Bureau Bulletin No. 1+2, dated Jul 30,_ 191.7, Poztland is requested to exhaustively interview Mr & 92 I IF L-Pwumd, Oregon. regs-ding M-= £75__ alleged sighting of a "flying disc" on June 21+, 191,7. Copies 01'
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p when questioned by his superiors concerning the _ _ _matter,- stated his recollection was "hazy" on the matter. 0 "" S"
amcious to secure thSI is ,e substan e of information in the Phoenix file Q, ticoncerning this matter. Hr&-res furnished the substance of '
the interview, as set forth in lett i er of reference and he hasnnow
requested that he be furnished with a blind memorandum setti
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Reurlet June 8, 191.9, captioned "Flying Diane.
It in believed that the reference appearing in the first line of your
- referenced letter to the Bureau Le incorrect. Complete details concerning the
matter referred to in your referenced communication appear in e letter from
V mb 9 1910. your office dated September h, 194?, and not Septc r ,
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th Bureau with your referenced attached blind memorandum, vhf. was forwarded to eletter for approval, to Hr; E1 representative, Phoenix, 2 C.l11$@-lo 7<~:§*
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Phoenix, Arizona.
Background
In July 191.7; was Jointly interviewed by SpecialAge;-1t*| Bureau !gent! and , A-2 representative 57C
from " lton Field, California. The purpose of the interview was to secure fromHr. &infor-mation and photographs of e flying disc, which had been sighted
and photographed by Rhodes.
"The complete results of the interview and subsequent events are contained
in the attached memorandum submitted by the Phoenix Office.
llr._ OSI representative at Phoenix, Arizona, has requested
the Phoenix Office to furnish him complete facts relating to this interview, which
are to be subsequently forwarded to the $1 Office at San Francisco. According to g Hr._ referred to above, has been questioned concerning this matterb7
by his superiors and he has advised them that his recollection is "hazy" on the
matter. According ta has apparently now requested the Air
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To nmscmoa, FBI Mm July 21, 191.91.
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5U3JBCT= FLYING_QISCS AND SAUCERS
MISCELLANEOUS INFORMATION CONCERNING -
For the Breau's information, several citizens in the community of
Alexandria, Louisiana, have recently reportedly seen flying discs. The Alexan-
dria, Louisiana daily paper has carried numerous articles concerning this.
At a recent meeting of the Young Hens Bsiness Club in Alexandria,
a member suggested that since Alexandria, Louisiana is known as a convention city,
the club should try promoting a convention of flying saucer sears. This particu-
lar comment appeared in the Alexandria paper and was picked up by the AP lines.
ur. a member of the Young Hens Bsiness Club, advised
Special Agent that since the AP release, they have received alarge number of requests regarding the convention of flying saucer sears from mar!
parts of the United States. l£r.states that the interest of the people
is evidenced by their inquiries about convention particulars, stating they are
flying saucer seers and want to attend such a convention.76
"This gentleman further advised that in view of the volume of inquiries
coming in, it appears that the YHBC will have to hire an employee to handle all
the correspondence. It might be noted that he advised a representative of the
Air Force from Barksdale Field, Louisiana, has inquired as to plans of a flying
saucer conventio, stating that they are interested in furnishing an observer if
such a convention were held. -I
This information is being furnished the Bureau, as it is possible such
an enterprise may cause people to falsify that they have seen flying discs or fly-
ing saucers. Such falsifications might be made so that they might attend such a
convention or become official delegates thereto.
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5Y"°P55°"""°"~"= *submitted ash residue to 1'4" " "I, I. NICK; I
Fire L5arshals Office, Philadelphia, Pa., ,______,.' __. - which nnde chemical anal§'$is. _o£' " I/I 1/opinion that firfay have been caused by I. 92military flare o flying saucer". -' I
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w purportedly from a fire which had continued to burn for twelve
I hours. A chemical analysis of the ashes had been requested. The
I Office noted that_ had at one time Wm"!-zed for the Atomic EnergyI C0r:::niSSiOI'1. I
advised that there _
had been received through the mail on April 21, 1949, an ash92 sample with a re-
quest for analysis. In the letter of transmittal, _had pointed out pthat the fire had continued to burn twelve hours after water had first been A VCI.
92 applied. The original letter of transmittal was examined and reflected that I
I an object had entered the roof of the building, caused an explosion, and threw *92
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but had been-unsuggessilll. He added that at L
the time had commented that _had been employed by I the Atomic Energy Commission. #was then requested by letter to appear
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at the time he came to the office since -was absent
at the timee He said that he then learned ior the first time that the fire
in question had taken place near Scranton, Pennsylvania and__1;a£1,__og:_g11r';ed___ 91ghs;p;imslye, This caused the i 15° Withdraw
from the case on a questionnofjurisdiction and -Was advised that
' any further action on his part should be referred to the State Police __
authorities. - -e l- _ .-_'._+ -. ng. 1, . .- _;,' p ' .
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of the analysis which had been made 0* the ashsubmitted,
had been made by , Chemical
8'75, City Hall; This report reflected that the ash contained 3-iagnesimn,and which analysis
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Aluminum, Iron, and Calcium in the form oi silicates, sulphur and carbonates.
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treet and Cirard lven.ue- Philaelnhia Rread S - - - e. 1 ...... _e_,-_-__,
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ash from a friend, Wayne County,/Pennsy1-e said that Lake Ariel is ' 7 Vania, through the mail. H about one mile south 0
of South Canaan, near Scranton, Pennsylvania. He stated that_
house had burned about six months ago, that the fire had occurred at night
during e storm and that a large object had struck the roof and ignited the
house which had burned to the ground in less than an hour.
He said that he had not been present during the fire but thatthese details had been mrnished by letter from -at the time a sample 5 6of the ash was forwarded for analysis. He said that he was of the personal 7
opinion that the ash might be a part of a military flare or a "flying saucer".
1-1 0 . 92 n 11,1 !__ 92___1____ _:1___Ii_J Llne pointed out tnat ne nas oeen advised oy
engineering field that one of the characteristics of some
is the fact that they burn for a considerable period. He
mass of the ash residue had remained ignited for a periodassociates in the
types of flares
stated that the
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He also stated that he did not think there had been an explosion but that a
loud noise- had probably been caused by the vacuum created as the missile
or object struck the roof. He added that there remains a quarxty of the
ash, amounting to one bushel, at premises at Lake Ariel.
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advsed that he had been employed by the Atomic
Energy Commission at Oak Ridge until 1943- He was entirely rational. He
discounted the theory that a portion of a meteor had struck the house on
the basis of the chemical analysis made by the City Chemical Laboratory.M4
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- authorities, he had written to and suggested that any further in- b
quiries be directed to the State Police. _ c.
The file of the Philadelphia. Office reflect that the records
of Immigration Naturalization Service were negative to an inquiry concern-ing * The files of thisoffice liketise reflect that y letter received August 11+, 194'?,é 7 L
requested-of this office the identity of a powder or dust used to catch
thieves! ' - . '
Inasmuch as there is no E'g1at;'g~ny indicated within the Bureau's
"~JIi5diCtiO1'1, there is no further investigation being conducted in thismatter. I~1o*-'-rever, the ash residue obtained from the 7 Cis being" forwarded to the Bureau Laboratory for any interest or study the
Laboratory may desire to conduct relative to flares or in connection rrith _
the possibility of the presence of "flying saucers".
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