Dr. Frank Shallenberger Explains Energy, Aging, And the Therapies (Jack Wolfson DO)

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Dr. Frank Shallenberger Explains Energy, Aging, And the Therapies (Jack Wolfson DO)
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[Music] welcome to the healthy heart show where we pull back the curtain on conventional medicine and dive into the root causes of cardiovascular health if you are concerned about high cholesterol high blood pressure heart attacks stroke or atrial fibrillation this is the place for you we will provide natural heart information that will help you prevent treat and reverse any ailment leaving pills and procedures out of the picture here are your guides to holistic heart health board certified cardiologist and Amazon best-selling author Dr Jack Wolfson and natural heart doctor naturopathic physician Dr Lauren latanza foreign Dr Jack Wolfson board certified cardiologist at natural heart doctor welcome to another episode of the healthy heart show where our Focus here is on getting you the 100 Year heart so to get you that information to get you on that path to the 100 of your hearts I give you the best information and I bring on the best guests and I've really got an absolute uh uh superstar in the holistic industry to bring on today this is Dr Frank schallenberger and I'll get into Dr schellenberger's you know bio but you know again when you talk about you know some of these founding fathers of uh that really have paved the way for the Next Generation maybe people like me uh to to be able to do what I do to get that message of Health and Wellness out there we've got Dr Frank shallenberger Dr Frank how you doing buddy I'm great thanks for the intro you got it so Dr Schellenberg it's it's I love this because his his bio talks about six-time grandfather and four-time father and for those of you who are watching on video we're streaming a lot you know streaming on video and then doing the audio but behind me on my wall I've got a picture that includes the names of my four children and my wife and again you can you see Dr schallenberg it leads off with his six-time grandfather four-time father and again he's one of The Originals practicing medicine since 1973. uh I'm sure uh you don't feel like you've been practicing for for that long I know how time flies Pioneer and alternative integrative medicine since 1978. um he's got uh he's licensed to practice in Nevada where again he's got the conventional medicine license and also alternative and homeopathic medicine so he's giving you the best of of Both Worlds he's taught thousands and thousands of practitioners he's got two books that he wrote one's called the type 2 diabetes breakthrough and bursting with energy he'll tell us how we can get a copy of that he's also the editor of the second opinion alternative medical newsletter and again Pioneer in in therapies as it pertains to mitochondrial Health as it pertains to uh the use of ozone and getting that incredible therapy and we're going to be talking about all those again as we get in with uh with Dr Frank again Dr Frank thanks so much for being on the show it's a pleasure Jack thanks for having me all right so listen so so kind of give us some of your back story if you will so you started off you graduate maybe in 1973 and then five years later you uh you know you wake up something happens pulls you out of the medical Matrix the pharmaceutical pill surgical model tell us about that story well it's kind of interesting um all of us come into this different ways and we just talked about how you got into it but uh for me um it was a combination of things number one after I got out of medical school I went into emergency medicine so I was one of those trauma docs and we were putting tubes in everybody's the helicopters brought them in that kind of deal and I just uh you know after about six eight years of doing that in the late 70s you know I just I decided I think I want to have a nice life so I'm going to try and get a day job so uh that's what I did I just hung out my shingle and I started treating people uh and more of a general practice type of setting and uh you know I I had been so disillusioned being in emergency medicine because emergency medicine is so straightforward and it hits cause and I've often told people you know when your emergency doctor and somebody comes in with say a knife in their back you don't give them some Prozac and send them home you actually take the knife out sew up the wound and fix the problem and so that's sort of the mentality that emergency doctors have we we're going to fix the problem well I get into to internal medicine and to family medicine and uh I'm not fixing any problems and in fact um you know all I'm doing is I'm treating symptoms and that's great okay but half the time the drugs I'm giving to treat the symptoms are causing other problems and so I was you know really disillusioned with that uh I went to uh the head of the hospital there I went to the department head of the hospitals associated with and I said you know this is what I'm doing what am I doing wrong and they said basically after talking to me they said you know you're not really doing anything wrong I said but I'm not actually fixing people and um they said well yeah we don't fix people in Internal Medicine you know we just make them feel better that's the deal what are you getting so excited about and uh I thought you know that can't be right that just can't be right so my dad was a doctor at the time and uh he called me up one day around this time and he said Son look I got I can see he came up in the 30s so he said I got all these old books uh for medical school and from apartment and all these books uh would you like him I said yeah send me some of these books so he sends me this big old box of books and the first book I pull out is a book by siba one of the Pharma companies and it's a short little book but in there it goes through vitamins turns out that back in the 30s and the 40s you know the Pharma was into vitamins they're not anymore but they used to be so I'm pulling out this book you know the first page it says Diamond deficiency and I'm looking at thiamine deficiency and it says fatigue aches moodiness I'm thinking heck those are my people this is like what most people have is this kind of stuff I said I wonder if they might be vitamin division so that's kind of what got me into this I subsequently got lucky in as much as I was in the San Francisco area and Linus Pauling had a study group going on once a month there in San Francisco so I got to meet with all these these great guys these early luminaries and gosh my mind was open so by the time the 80s rolled around you know I was kind of into it and that's that's what brought me brought me to looking for answers something that maybe treated at a causal level instead of just the symptomatic level but you know I often uh say that listen the world needs plenty of Emergency Room Physicians and trauma surgeons but when it comes to actual prevention the medical doctors have nothing like the toolbox is totally empty they're again their their idea of prevention is is statin drugs and blood pressure drugs and diabetes drugs and aspirin and you know clearly that's just that's just not uh not the answer what um uh certainly as as you started looking at all of this and obviously as your travails kind of go on through like you said through the 80s uh and talking about Hospital Administration right you're talking about late 70s as that goes into the 80s and that's just uh the Golden Era of of insurance companies and Medicare when the Physicians and hospitals were just I mean it was a printing press of of money going on uh and then you know I mean so so tell us maybe get into some of the some of the headwinds you came up against as it as you're starting you know your career and and going into this natural alternative you know and all the blowback from your colleagues and stuff foreign yeah it was it's it's a much better atmosphere these days uh back then there was a lot of antagonism I mean if you even told your patient they shouldn't eat sugar that was you know there's something a little bit questionable about how intelligent you are and so we did have to deal with things like that but I'll tell you a funny story once I I eventually I uh you know Linus Pauling had set up this group called the ortho molecular Medical Society and I ended up being involved in that and in the early 80s we had one of our first meetings uh well it was my first meeting about putting to that way so I'm in I'm in the audience there listening to all the speakers and such and I turned around and who's there but the chief of staff at the hospital and you know all these guys are talking about this alternative things like you know IV vitamin C and so forth so on and uh and I go up and I said John what the heck are you doing here he says look I I'm interested in this stuff but don't as long as you didn't tell anybody and you flew under the radar maybe you were okay it got into a little bit of problems eventually in the state of California um but you know those days are over and that's but yeah it was this is a little problematic especially with insurance companies insurance companies would just you know if you didn't do anything by the book they call that fraud I mean it's amazing because you think insurance companies would want to you know lower their outlay for for those who who are insured and therefore again if you have a healthy population paying Insurance uh dollars and you're not spending any of that you would think that would be fantastic for insurance companies but I guess you can only say that they're all kind of in bed together with insurance hospitals pharmacies it's it's almost a catch 22. I'm sure you you understand this but it's almost a catch-22 in the sense that what happens to the premiums if the expenses go up they don't care about the expenses they just raise the premiums and then now you now you get the government involved and then it's like like you said printed money all over the place so it really they're not motivated to keep the cost down yeah the uh you know when I uh when I wrote my my book back in 2015 and I showed that to a lot of my Cardiology buddies and they looked at it and they actually some of them even read it and some of them even commented we loved your book everything you say fantastic in there just don't ever mention my name that I ever approved your book um I got I got a friend who's the head of cancer at a huge huge uh East Coast University he's the head of the cancer Department one of my uh one of my best friends from osteopathic school and again he hears everything I have to say he loves everything I have to say but again his job depends on him uh toting the company line so he could never you know break free from that which is uh which again he obviously he could and and people like you again and people like myself we've taken the risk we've taken the hits um and again just to you know continue to bring truth to uh you know to the world and the best way to stay healthy so again I appreciate you um I I do want to uh you know I'll I guess I'll open it up to you because I know I do want to talk about ozone because I know you're one of the foremost authorities worldwide on ozone but I do know that uh you do love to talk about mitochondrial health so maybe do you want to set up the the concept of ozone but first let's talk about uh you know what are the mitochondria and why are you so passionate about having um about 20 years ago I'm out riding my bike and one thing about riding my bike is that my brain is like free floating I don't you know whatever pops in Pops in you know and uh I'm just riding my bike and I'm thinking about the fact that um as people get older than mitochondria function worse and it's a known fact everybody accepts this and that this is a major um cause for disease because maybe be the fundamental ultimate cause for disease is that the mitochondria don't work so well and for listeners the mitochondria are organelles in all of our cells ourselves and thousands of these little guys and that's where the oxygen is headed so all that oxygen that we breathe in with it which is obviously the most critical thing we can do for life is breathing in oxygen all that oxygen only does one thing very interesting unlike vitamins and minerals which have a lot of things that they do oxygen actually and human body only accomplishes one thing and that is it finds its way into the mitochondria of ourselves and the mitochondria are able to extract energy from that oxygen in this in in the process go electron transport uh extract the energy from the oxygen and that energy can be harnessed and the cells use that energy to Keep Us Alive and I knew at the time um that animal studies had showed uh that as uh as the as animals get older the ability for their cells to actually function the functional aspect of their cells remains intact even to very old age the problem is not that the cells can't do what they're charged with doing the problem really is the mitochondria aren't working so well aren't processing the energy efficiently and the cells are getting less and less energy they could do what they're going to do but they can't because they're not getting enough energy and so uh and we have this phenomena called Aging which is basically a bunch of cells that really could work well but aren't getting enough energy to work well and I tell my patients is it's analogous to a flashlight with a bad battery you know the flashlight could work really well but you know you need to change the batteries so I'm so anyhow so we know about these phenomenons we know that cells can work even into old age but they don't because they don't have enough energy and and the reason they don't get enough energy is because as we get older for a whole bunch of reasons uh the mitochondria won't process the energy and that's so the whole thing so I'm riding my bike and I'm thinking about this and I'm thinking yeah the older you get the less energy you're able to make and then I thought then it just came into my head what if the decrease in energy came before the Aging what what will happen if the mitochondria became dysfunctional or lost their ability to react even before aging so at that point I thought well that's interesting maybe that's the case maybe in fact if the mitochondria aren't working well early and I'm talking in your 30s uh that might predispose you down the line to aging cream maturely and developing all extra vulnerability to diseases as we get older so I thought you know what I need to find a way to measure mitochondria so I started making some calls and doing some research into this to find out like outside of you know strange research settings there's no way to measure mitochondrial function I'm thinking to myself hey this is the most single most important thing I ought to know about myself and I don't know how to measure it uh so I thought well let's try and find some ways so I won't go through a whole long story but we tried a bunch of different ways turns out a really good way to make sure oxygen is like so so grossly obvious that I think it's most people have like it's gone right over their head kind of but that is we we put a mask on people kind of like a scuba mask and they're breathing through this device it's connected to a pulmonary gas analyzer which analyzes how much O2 is they're consuming uh oxygen they're consuming how much carbon dioxide they're putting out turns out that if you do those measurements under a proper protocol and use some a very established formulas you can really detail how well the mitochondria are working so we we developed this test and I'm I'm doing mitochondrial testing and all these patients that I know and uh and they could be in their 30s they could be in their 40s they could be asymptomatic they could be sick whatever and the numbers are just horrible horrible and so I'm calling back the uh company that makes the analyze and I'm saying there's something wrong with this equipment you know these numbers cannot be that bad well what I learned was at that time that the numbers were in reality bad there was nothing wrong with equipment but what I learned was all these numbers that we're supposed to see have have been developed into like really weird ways one is all the published data is either on Olympic athletes that level of human being or on people who are ready to get heart heart transplants for lung transplants these Joe Joe lunch box in the middle normal human beings nobody knows about them so that's all that's been studied I'm so I'm here getting all this data and I'm finding out your lunchbox is flunking he looks really bad and sometimes even in the 30s we had one study where something like 12 of healthy asymptomat quote healthy asymptomatic individuals in their 30s had already had significant reformed mitochondrial function and that's when it occurred to be the mitochondria become dysfunctional first and as they become dysfunctional then they start to go into Decay later on because they're at first dysfunctional in other words it's preventable if you get it early measure it discover there's a problem there's things that you can do to prevent that decay that ultimately comes down the line and the really cool thing is Jack I've got people in their mid late 80s that now have the mitochondrial function of like a 35 year old person it's crazy what you can do with this that individual never going to get sick and he's going to be his functional right up to his last day that's not tremendous uh uh I definitely I definitely want to learn more about uh you know the technique and you know that you're talking about doing and I think that's a fantastic thing to spread uh the news and information on are there any other tests that you use uh are there any blood tests I mean obviously you can look at different markers of inflammation oxidative stress the common things that most people you know certainly in the in the functional medicine space natural space are checking into you do you find any of those helpful or are you talking about no we got to be measuring O2 CO2 um uh exhalation you know methodologies yeah you know I think that uh certainly all these other guests are wonderful you know whether it's an EKG or whether it's a blood test whether you're looking at Omega-3s whether you're looking at Vitamin levels whether you're looking at higher levels hormones they're all critical to look at this but I look at the mitochondrial function it's sort of being the global assay Because by the way mitochondria are like extremely sensitive so they're they're they're not only a global way to assess an individual they're very sensitive so anything from even severe emotional trauma to head trauma to lack of sleep all of these things can almost immediately affect mitochondrial function so if I get a patient and I test them out and there's mitochondrial function are good I can pretty much tell that guy you know we're going to look at other aspects to see if we can't even get you better but the reality is you're matching your lifestyle is matching up pretty well with your genetics amazing um okay as it as it pertains to okay so now we diagnose somebody with mitochondrial dysfunction you and I could talk for hours about all the different modalities to be able to improve that mitochondrial uh function obviously from nutrition uh to Lifestyle to avoiding environmental toxins to the supplements and Tech and techniques for detoxification but maybe do me a favor um and the audience of favor certainly uh Enlighten us as to maybe some of the popular or what you find have been the most effective things that you've utilized to increase that mitochondrial function yeah so that's a great question because that's obviously the deal so now I got this test and I find out people don't have good mitochondrial functions so now I'm looking for that magic bullet it's going to push him over the Finish Line um reality is it's not very many Magic Bullets out there uh I did we did do a study where it showed that uh in uh parenteral B vitamins parenteral B vitamins of all the things that I tested and I tested Coq I tested carnitine I tested all the usual cast of characters that one would think of for mitochondrial function and in terms of supplements and things that you can do by Far and Away it was B vitamins B vitamins something simple like B vitamins now in those B vitamins of course you know but but the the there's several of them the of particularly niacin but there's niacin in this riboflavin in which are cofactors for this whole mitochondrial process we B vitamins are turned up during stress there's a little stress going around in our society so I'm pretty sure that most people are not getting the adequate amount of niacin riboflava they need so I've always been big on that but interestingly enough in terms of supplements and we could talk a little bit about peptides in a little bit peptides are different but in terms of supplements the only thing that I found that's really effective is B vitamins outside of that number one thing aerobic exercise there's no two ways about it um that's not the only Factor but that's the number one critical Factor so if I see mitochondria functions down first thing I want to ask that patient is you know how are you engaging in aerobic exercise you have a regular aerobic exercise program going around and we want to talk about that the second one now really surprised me and so it has to do with this as the oxygen comes into the cell in order for it to provide the proton that sets the whole electron transport chain going it has to get that proton from either glucose or a fatty acid that's where it gets it turn now all of us can get it from either way so in my body I can my mitochondria can Harvest that proton from glucose it can also Harvest that proton from fatty acids but the reality is when you look into it uh that we're all different and so you have some people on one side of this equation that can Harvest a proton from glucose very efficiently but not so much from fatty acids okay so that person should have a diet fairly high in complex carbohydrates uh they should not be on the high fat ketogenic type of diet they should be in the complex carbohydrate diet on the other end you have people that cannot efficiently Harvest protons from uh from glucose they are the keto people they want to be on the high fat low carbohydrate diet so you've got these extremes and the rest of us kind of fit in between these extremes but what's cool about doing this this testing is since the production of carbohydrate uh the production of carbon dioxide varies between whether you're whether you're getting the proton from glucose versus whether you're getting the proton for fatty acids it varies I can look at that ratio of CO2 to O2 and tell you where you stand on that Spectrum so the number one thing that I found uh to improve mitochondrial function is exercise the number two thing is finding the right diet because if you're a person that doesn't burn glucose well and you get on that high carbohydrate thing I could tell you some great stories it's going to flat out suppress your mitochondria so is that what you do do you try people on I don't know say you know a couple weeks of the high complex carbs and then test them and then versus uh the hydro fats and then test them and see which one kind of wins out there's a bit of that but Jack actually initially right from the test itself I can pretty much tell you where you are in that Spectrum just by looking at the numbers on the test because it turns out it's a linear equation it doesn't go up and down and very like that it's straight linear if I look at look at those ratios I can predict where you're going to be down the line so I can I can tell the audience a really cool story that that first got me going on this and and nailed it down for me but I had a guy come up from L.A he was a 42 year old uh a movie actor he wasn't really working all that much these days and so he's spending all his time in the gym and he's from the Los Angeles area so he's eating Sprouts all day long so he's got like this perfect type of Lifestyle so to speak be and the guy looks like Adonis so he comes in on a testament his mitochondrial functions just stunk and so I'm I'm going back with my history so okay what's the deal with you well it turns out that uh he does eat a Dairy Queen Blizzard twice a day and so I asked him well why the heck giving your lifestyle do you eat a Dairy Queen Blizzard twice a day and he thought and he said probably the best answer anybody could ever give because I really like them but anyhow I said you know that may be problematic for you so let's just have you stop eating that Dairy Queen Blizzard let's change nothing else I bring him back in two weeks his mitochondrial function doubled and I have seen this before so part of what we can do is kind of what you say you can you can um get get the test put them on a keto diet come back redo the test but I've done that so much now um that I don't really need to do that I can just actually look at the numbers and tell you where you stand on that what is uh omega-3 uh play into the picture I mean obviously the answer is a lot uh and you know there's been a lot of controversy about taking omega-3 fish oil supplementation especially recently uh increasing the risk of atrial fibrillation I think the problem is obviously when you take a population of people who eat McDonald's cookies cupcakes and Dairy Queen like you just said and then you give them fish oil that's lousy rancid fish oil and they take no other vitamins nothing else is healthy you're bound to get lousy results but to that end I usually say to people hey you know sometimes we need to supplement magnesium and B vitamins but a lot of times again we can just get some of this uh you know the Omega-3s from the seafood so talk me through that again as far as the the omega-3 fatty acids their role in obviously in the cell membrane in the mitochondrial membranes how does that all play out well you know you you got your omega-3 bats which kind of a conglomeration of bats and they're they're in most Foods uh but the thing what I think most of us want to focus on is uh EPA and DHA these are these are the fatty acids the bhea is absolutely critical for neurological function EPA is is really critical for inflammation purposes and so we're supposed to synthesize those unless you're eating grass-fed animals and for fish you're not really going to get any EPA and DHA in your diet you're going to get the the apparent oils from your grains uh and such and then you're supposed to convert those parent oils into EPA and DHA um but you're you're absolutely right they're doing these populations and it turns out I measure EPA and DHA on every single patient I see and I got to tell you 80 of the time it's it's in the tank it's absolutely in the tank they can't synthesize it in a population you're going to get some people that make plenty of EPA and VHA and they don't need fish oil for example and then you're going to meet a whole lot of other people that don't hardly make it at all and that could be a lousy diet that's true but a lot of it is just like diabetics diabetics get as a rule cannot synthesize EPN DHA and you're almost never going to see a diabetic so I'll bet if you start looking at studies of fish oil and diabetics you're going to see some different numbers the healthy heart show will be right back after we take this quick break to hear from our 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life uh specifically sunlight so that that was my thing is looking at sunlight because I learned about this guy named Vincent in the early 1900s who had some clinics in the Alps I don't know if you've heard of this guy and uh so he had it high in the Alps because it was above the cloud layer so over there apparently there's a lot of clouds all the time you can't get much sunlight so he established these clinics up there and I've had actual photos of this and he's published data on this uh where he's curing literally curing tuberculosis cases aerosepolis cases uh all kinds of infectious cases of curing them by getting these people up there and having them sunbathe all day long and the hospital rooms were such that they uh they opened up the windows and rolled them out onto the patio and he started them out with like what five minutes a day and then each day they would increase it as they acclimated to the sun until they got to the point where they could like take Sun all day long and the clinical results simply from doing that were astounding so yeah so so light of all kind I'm no expert on light uh we do see do use some lights I got some red lights in the clinic I got some blue lights in the clinic uh but I do encourage people to get sun sunlight which to me seems like to be it's probably the best light but I'm sure it's a mitochondrial inducer it has to be I wonder why uh Dr fauci hasn't uh publicized the use of light uh therapy to uh support immune function it's a patent on that you know he needs a pat before he's going to push it I love there's I've seen the photos and I've you know again uh you know passed on to photos and shared them on social media emails and stuff like that of uh the the time of the Spanish flu and how you're talking about Boston and it's the winter time in Boston and how they have the patients outside uh of the of the tents that they had set up just to make sure they were getting something like in the middle of winter in in Boston and everybody else is walking around they're wearing like heavy jackets and stuff like that and the patients are all bundled up but at the very least their face their eyeballs and the light all that kind of stuff all right uh you know again I you know you're such an incredible wealth of information I respect you know you so much and everything that you're saying I but I do want to uh you know honor your time and I do want to take the opportunity to jump into uh ozone so if you would maybe give me just a quick on what ozone is and why of course it's not uh you know you know the ozone that we talk about in the atmosphere is different from Medical grade ozone uh and then in as to how it helps people with cardiovascular issues well okay so the sort of the quickest way to for the laypeople to understand this is number one ozone is pure oxygen it's not contamination as you were pointing out uh and what we oxygen that we're breathing in like right now is two oxygen atoms stuck together uh ozone is when you take oxygen like that what we call it O2 is oxygen they breathe in the hospitals we pump it through a machine and then out the other end about two or three percent as as this oxygen goes through the machine changes from O2 to O3 so now we have three oxygen atoms uh combined together rather than just two turns out that's an electron deficient molecule it needs an electron so instantaneously it's going to want to have an electron so keeping that in mind uh what happens in mitochondria is they don't work so well is they become electron deficient so this is there's there's a more if you look at NAD and nadh ratios we can get more technically on this but in overall that's what the problem with the mitochondria are they're electron deficient so wouldn't it make sense to uh I mean their electron I'm sorry their their proton excess which means that they need uh to remove electrons they need to move the electrons doesn't it make sense to put in electron deficient molecule because that's basically what it does when you put that molecule in there it oxidizes the nadh back to NAD which stimulates the whole mitochondria thing so um in terms of therapies that we can use besides B vitamins to uh up regulate um uh mitochondrial function ozone is extremely effective with that and you can give the ozone into the blood you can give it into the rectum you can put it in body parts you can do all kinds of interesting things with it it's a very utilizable substance uh and it's by the way cheap easy to use and if it's used properly absolutely free of side effects so the idea Again by administering ozone it seems to me what you're saying is that we kind of stimulate maybe this additional low level of oxidative stress and that causes the body to increase its antioxidant capabilities it's antioxidants uh genes proteins and then therefore ultimately to actually or paradoxically even to lower inflammation oxidative stress which are linked to every every condition in total right I mean certainly every cardiovascular condition of your brain condition every Cancer condition uh is that is that what we're trying to achieve that's absolutely right that's absolutely right you know the the what what people want to think of it is that oxygen molecule is going to go into your cell it's going to get there now either it's going to be processed through the mitochondria to produce energy or it's going to be processed into free radicals if it can't go the energy way guess which way it's going to go so so we have study after study after study that goes back into another wonderful thing I love about ozone is it's got this huge history by the way but uh um you know all these studies that very clearly demonstrate I can tell you some great stories uh but that clearly demonstrate that these single most powerful way to decrease free radical production is ozone therapy by far is nothing that can can come close to it is there any danger I guess in because it doesn't sound like in any way this is actually suppressing the the oxidative um Pathways in the body because I think there is some concern about you know in some of the literature and uh you know that's all debatable as well is that if we administer antioxidants that that kind of interferes with the the the body is doing all this oxidation and oxidative stress for a purpose and that if we give a lot of antioxidants it may actually inhibit what the body's trying to do if we do it exogenously I absolutely believe that by the way the The Secret of course is in the dose you obviously need antioxidants but you get too many of them it's going to start suppressing out things uh once again I can tell you a really interesting uh experiment I did once with a scientific colleague of mine uh that demonstrated this but this it's very clear in my mind uh antioxidants are critical but high doses should only be used temporarily and in certain clinical situations there's been you know some debate about NAC most recently you know that I've seen and again the literature is so effusive on the benefits of of NAC and obviously its ability to increase levels of glutathione there's a few studies that have gotten a lot of publicity in some people that um uh some of this may actually increase cancer risk uh in some of these smaller studies and again you know you can you can criticize all those I get it and and then of course uh is NAC so beneficial that uh those who are controlling the situation want to uh you know again uh diminish the message of the benefits of NAC I think that's a question as well what uh as it pertains to again the the last two years and in the pandemic uh there there is a pretty good amount of information about ozone and its ability to keep people healthy in the face of covid and whatever covet is uh and and again there's debate about what covet is but let's just say people are getting sick from something and ozone appears to have a role in preventing hospitalization uh ICU uh admission and even uh a mortality right yeah so uh I'm back in the mid 80s uh there was a a epidemic of whooping cough in Modesto California and I learned about this by looking reading about the newspaper and they were talking about in this school in this one school elementary school something like 60 of the kids that come down with whooping cough was huge they shut down the whole school so I'm reading this article and I'm thinking now wait a second 60 of the kids came down with whooping cough that's huge that's a an epidemic for sure why not the other 40 percent if this if this whole viral injection thing is about the virus itself you know the other 40 got exposed to the virus why didn't they get sick so I started thinking about this in the sense that there's got to be something more than the microbe itself how if it's a microbe is the problem everybody ought to get sick and longabouts then I did run into this guy named Peter duceberg and I don't know if you've heard of Peter he's he's passed on now but he was a pure genius but uh work at uh uh UC Berkeley anyhow just did some fabulous work with viruses and such and he said it's not about the virus it's about how we respond to the virus and boy he was right on and so what I've learned about about ozone to tie this all together is Ozone makes you respond to the virus better which is why when franzini published his study only about a year and a half ago so by the way with viruses I knock them all out with this protocol every single one it doesn't matter I don't even I don't care what the name of the virus is it could be Ebola it could be honkavirus it could be influenced I don't really care because the process is like always the same it's not about the micro it's not like a bacteria a bacteria it's about the bacteria but a virus is different and we cannot treat it like there's no use diagnosing what virus it is just treat the condition that allowed the viral infection to happen which has to in those studies you know again you reference from uh you know for zini again like you know lower inflammation lower D dimer those are all good things as we think about you know covet is this hyper-coagulable state and microemboli thrombosis so anything certainly that can lower inflammation lower coagulation in that scenario is probably going to be a beneficial I know you talk a lot in your books and your teachings and again about the use of ozone as far as uh arthritic conditions uh there's a lot of uh Dental uh holistic dentists that are using ozone uh for holistic Dentistry uh brain-based benefits of of ozone fantastic stuff yeah you know which is one of the first things yeah I learned about ozone in the early 80s right ended up going to Germany and I heard about it and I thought at the time I thought you know that's crazy ozone's an extremely powerful oxygen are you telling me that if you give somebody an extremely positive box then you're going to save them from oxidant stress where's the sense in that but the data is there so I went over to Germany to check it out I learned about it learned how to do this and I learned a lot just being there from these uh great professors that have been doing this for 20 years and I came home and I started using it and not not long afterwards again I've got a an internal medicine type practice so I see people with all kinds of problems from diabetes to cancer to whatever uh they all get better with ozone what's that all about oh you can't how can you get better with like 20 totally different diseases with the same exact substance how does that happen if it's not working on some extremely fundamental level like mitochondria like immune system like uh circulation and as it turns out the studies are there's just a plethora of studies showing how ozone stimulates all these things that we could get into endlessly talking about this but at anything that's probably good for you is probably going to read about ozone stimulates that so uh the majority of people who come to see you uh in your in your clinic from all over the world are are pretty much are they all getting on some kind of intravenous uh uh ozone protocol and is there anyone who ozone would not be appropriate for yeah that's a good question so um so no I don't put everybody on ozone uh it's it's sort of a Rescue Remedy if you will uh it's you know it's it's it costs it's cheap but it still costs insurance doesn't cover it and you know Bob's you got to be in my office to get it I got to stick a needle in your arm so we yeah it's not as easy as you know it would be really cool if I just gave you a little pill of ozone that'd be very cool then I'd put everybody on there um so normally what I do is I test the mitochondria I look at their clinical condition and uh if if it looks like it warrants it yeah I'm gonna pull out the bigger guns and I'm going to put them on ozone therapy and if if people were to come to my clinic Jack they would see a big old infusion room and like lots of people all day long going in and out getting ozone therapy all day long they walk down the hallway they're going to see people getting ozone the Asana they walk down the hallway a little bit further they're going to see people get ozone the colonic there's ozone all over the place in there I'm shooting those on into people's knees I'm shooting into their sinuses I'm shooting into the vaginas I'm shooting it all over the place in another part of the office there's ozone going on all over the place but obviously as a doctor you know if I can find a simpler way to do something I'm going to do that for and for a lot of people it's just a matter of Lifestyle about the things that doctors are already telling them yeah don't eat the Twinkies eat something that's appropriate to do take some B vitamins how about we detox off of little heavy metals oh yes and by the way you need to exercise oh really yeah you actually do need to exercise and if you do all these things will bring you back recheck your test recheck you might have Conjuring you'll see what I'm talking about amazing stuff amazing stuff uh Dr schallenberg could tell me how uh how can my listeners find out more about you and what you're doing obviously the books you published how to reach you uh and how to see you in person in uh in Nevada well first of all I'd like to uh recommend they go to YouTube and I've got a lot of stuff on YouTube by the way but one of the things that recently I put up there is called disease is optional and it's a five-part series each part is like 20 minutes long and it goes into this whole mitochondria thing that we were just discussing only it's a more and a lot greater detail so if you go to YouTube and just search shallenberger disease is optional that series will come up and that'll teach you a whole lot about the mitochondria in the testing process the other thing is that uh my book bursting with energy which is still in the old Edition right now the new edition's coming out in a couple of months uh but that book is a pretty good book to read and and help people to explain uh you know why we want them to do these things and you know what one of the things that I think all clinicians learn eventually is that most people will do what you tell them to do if they understand why you're telling them to do that but when you go in to see a doctor and the doctor says look I want you to stop eating your Twinkies I want you to start getting on your bicycle I want to do this this and this but he doesn't explain why you're probably not going to do it so so what's nice about the book that's called bursting with energy is explains to people why these things that everybody's telling them are good for them why in fact they are really good and they're much more likely to stay with that and you also I would recommend uh you mentioned my my newsletter second opinion newsletter if they go online and just plug in uh second opinion newsletter that's a pretty good newsletter to kind of stay on top of some of the more interest because you know you you said well caliber you've been out there for 50 some odd years doing this stuff but you know it's funny Jack I think I'm like still in first grade there is so much that I don't know and it's so exciting and one of the most fun things I have is making this newsletter because there's all this new stuff coming up uh that you know even I I don't know about this stuff and so it's it's very exciting but the newsletter is another good way to uh you know keep up to date with what's going on yeah I think about my former life as a conventional cardiologist and and just how easy it was right somebody comes in blood pressure's high here's Pharmaceuticals cholesterol is an issue here's some Pharmaceuticals you need an angioplasty stent you know let's do that like the toolbox that we have in those situations is actually very small now you get over into the causative space now you get into you know holistic medicine Integrative Medicine functional medicine and just as you said like we're all in first grade there's there's this whole world and it's like every day there's something new which is exciting but it can make it a little bit difficult for for all of us to keep up with with uh you know with this information and modality so again your book is uh fantastic reference YouTube channel second opinion newsletter we'll put all these links in the show notes and uh you know again Dr schallenberg I sincerely appreciate your time being on this episode of the healthy heart show hey Jack's been great talking with you by the way and maybe we'll get together next time and talk a little bit more specifically about cardiovascular disease because I wanted to slam dunks of ozone therapies cardiovascular disease there's a lot of very interesting things we could talk about well I'll tell you what we'll do that we'll we'll nail it down for uh for next time I think uh yeah I would love to talk to you a second time to get to get the stuff to my to my database of heart healthy interested people Dr Jack Wolfson cardiologist natural heart doctor another episode of the healthy heart show we will see you next time thank you [Music] that does it for today's episode thanks so much for listening to the healthy heart show please help us get the word out by liking and subscribing to our podcast and our Facebook page natural heart doctor please show support for our podcast sponsor cardiologycoffee your resource for organic antioxidant Rich mold and pesticide free coffee shipped straight to your door learn more by adding at Cardiology coffee on Instagram and visiting cardiologycoffee.com this podcast provides materials for information and educational purposes only and should not be considered medical advice we encourage you to contact your physician for any of the health issues discussed here [Music]