Why Did We Hide & Ignore This Vaccine Data? | Dr. Robert Malone (Rubin Report)

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Why Did We Hide & Ignore This Vaccine Data? | Dr. Robert Malone (Rubin Report)
YouTube video by Dr. Robert Malone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52ML4SNr3gE). Transcript is the auto-caption track — verbatim ASR, not a certified transcript.

early on it just as the clinical trials were still progressing and then at the very earliest time when they started deploying this it became clear that uh one of the adverse there was two in particular that were popping up that my buddies at the FDA who were outside of the review branch that I was having weekly zooms with uh said we're being flagged and I was hearing it popping up from other Physicians one was uh myocarditis which uh the FDA and the CDC denied in the Israelis denied that's the story uh and how that how that finally came uh became public uh and the other one was reactivation of latent DNA viruses uh um shingles being a notable example um and uh so there's a number of these large herpes-like DNA viruses that exist in our bodies for most of us cytomegalovirus is another one Epstein-Barr virus is a major one and generally your T cells keep these guys you can think of it as Pandora's Box keeps the lid shut um by you know T Cell suppression and if you if you pull that suppression off the top pops open and and all the nasties fly out of Pandora's Box I think is a good way to think about these latent DNA viruses and it was clear that I'm Dave Rubin and joining me today is a global clinical research scholar at Harvard Medical School a scientist an author a speaker a bioethicist and the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology Dr Robert Malone welcome to the Reuben report thank you so much uh it's lovely to see you here today on this rather cold Saturday here in in Virginia but it's sunny and and it's uh you know it's looking like it's going to be a good year I think and you mentioned to me that you were just out on the farm so you're dressed down a bit for your average podcast appearance yeah I I had I'm sorry I I this didn't get on the schedule somehow and I've got a bunch of hay and straw that I have to stack we have a a young foal in the barn that's that's a little sketchy and it's going to be a cold night so we want to make sure he's well bedded down nice well then we'll use your time well so that you can get to that uh you know so when I was doing some research for this interview your bio is basically pages and pages I mean we just picked some highlights there but I was trying to remember some of the chronology of these last couple years which have gotten very weird in light and I'm actually I'm to say the least to say the least and I'm actually not sure if I had heard surreal yeah exactly we are we are in The Matrix now but I'm actually not sure if I had heard of you before that famous or inFAMOUS uh appearance on Joe Rogan so maybe before we get to what's happened for the last couple years do you want to just give us a little bit of recap of your career before that that led to this moment and then that's really where I want to spend most of the interview well I'm I I don't want to belabor this too much uh I'm a physician and a scientist trained at UC San Diego Salk Institute UC Davis and Northwestern University Medical School and Harvard University Medical School so that's the high level uh I'm I'm a passion been passionate about molecular biology and virology pretty much my whole career and uh also virology uh with the vaccine emphasis which is kind of uh what's brought me into the current and uh my focus back when I was a graduate student was trying to understand some fundamentals about RNA structure function and particularly how RNA gets inserted into a retrovirus and in order to ask fundamental questions I had to design ways to make large quantities of purified RNA and put it into cells and detect its presence and blah blah blah and it just happened I was in a gene therapy lab working on gene therapy projects when I had this series of discoveries that made me aware that there was a potential to use RNA as a drug and of the various applications for a gene therapy or Gene delivery system that doesn't actually work very well that being with the ketonic lipids uh um the the kind of entry-level application was vaccines and so that was the origin of the DNA and the RNA vaccine idea uh fast forward through uh you know a decade and a half of Academia at UC Davis School of pathology um Maryland school of pathology both teaching medical schools uh medical students I'm sorry at uh pathology and then Armed Forces University the Health Sciences where I helped set up the clinical Breast Care Program in a research institute in Windber Pennsylvania uh I then um uh started a company called anovio that's still running that was largely based on my own technology and that of others in the field at the time and uh then the planes hit the towers the investors for innovio pulled back uh my wife and I were left high and dry in Rockville and I reached out to a buddy at the uh business and economic development office at you at Maryland state and he said hey there's this new company up in Frederick Maryland that I could probably make a phone call and you could get a job at uh that was dyingport vaccine company which had just received what the technical term is the Prime Systems contract for all biodefense products for the U.S Department of Defense and so I became their associate Clinical Director and basically was involved in clinical research on virtually all drugs vaccines and monoclonal antibody products that the dod was developing for biodefense and that was really the pivot point in my career where I shifted from being a discovery research guy uh in the finally had the realization that uh the world really doesn't need more uh academic thought leaders it has plenty of those but what it does need is people who can uh bridge the gap uh it's actually called the Valley of Death technically uh a term Phil Russell employed between the discovery part and actually making a product and I decided that I had spent enough time uh various euphemisms come to mind um uh let's say a chasing Academia uh and um uh decided that I wanted to actually try to make things that made people's lives better uh and resulted in products so I've shifted gears and really focused on uh learning the the trade of clinical development uh um Regulatory Affairs project management proposal development that whole toolkit that goes into being able to uh assemble teams to solve complicated problems and get them funded in in the space of the government uh in particularly Department of Defense and I've I've been study section share on on many large uh contract bid uh selection processes I've uh served the government in writing uh solicitations I've uh and then eventually I set up my own Consulting practice kind of got tired of working for corporate America I'd worked for a Bill and Linda Gates funded company called Aeris Global TV vaccine Foundation also path in Seattle uh worked for work for Solvay on as their Clinical Director for influenza vaccines um you know many of these kind of things I just got tired of working for corporate and having to toe the line and do the eight to five so I uh set up a Consulting practice and that's kind of what I've done ever since but given my background I'm I'm known as a specialist in like I said assembling teams to solve complicated problems and being really Adept at working at the interface between industry and the government uh that's a that's an area that's really hard to navigate not very many people have that whole skill set maybe very very few that that understand regulatory fairs and clinical development and all the other stuff and uh can talk gummy talk uh but also can talk to the private sector and and work with them so that was kind of my thing and and I've been involved in many outbreaks uh was right at the tip of the spear and Drug repurposing for zika uh um uh was really asked by the Department of Defense and defense reduction agency to step in and solve a hot mess that was a small Midwestern company that owned the rights to a z uh I'm sorry a Ebola vaccine candidate that they bought from Canada for about a hundred fifty thousand dollars um and I carried that forward that was a you know amazing time everybody people were scared out of their brains Ebola is a scary business way more scary than than the Corona and uh it drives people crazy uh and uh you know they'll they'll shoot each other and a ball is a scary disease and uh so I got Merck involved in that project and got them to buy the product from the small Midwestern company and that's now the merkabola vaccine so been doing this a long time and uh then then and when you're in this space you touch on the intelligence Community all the time uh they are all thick throughout biodefense and so I've had many contacts that have been CIA I'm not CIA I'm not trained CIA I have been security cleared by the Department of Defense I'm sorry Stu Peters uh you're wrong on that uh and George Webb but there it is uh yeah you know and uh so if you're in this business area you you touch on CIA folk all the time and uh I've actually co-published with one that is now a retired CAA officer who arguably is our top expert in gain of function research uh former project manager at DARPA named Dr Michael Callahan who has an appointment at Harvard and uh and he called me up on January 2nd 2020 or January 4th right around there and said hey Robert we got a problem this novel coronavirus looks that's circulating here in Wuhan looks like it's going to be a problem and that's what got me going uh and that's kind of where the the Journey of the last three years begins and I did a threat assessment as I always do he asked me to get my the group that I work with kind of wound up and ready to respond to this and uh I I did the usual threat assessment and my sense was that we could not build a safe and effective vaccine in time to really make an impact as this would move as a wave across the globe and that what we needed to focus on was a repurposed drugs so that's pretty much what I did for the first third of the last two years uh largely with DOD funding which I'm a kind of adroit at getting I captured I don't know 300 million um for various projects uh relating to drug repurposing and then uh actually the there was a series of kind of uh red pill moments uh and you mentioned Joe Rogan before Joe Rogan uh there was the moment when I got called by Steve Kirsch to uh go on a podcast with this guy never heard of before I had hardly even heard of podcasting uh and and this guy uh he the name of his podcast was kind of scary I thought it referred to the dark web it was the Dark Horse podcast and his name was Brett Weinstein Brett Brett is a good friend of mine and and I I was the first one that ever publicly interviewed him after he left Evergreen State or when he was in the midst of that now over there yeah yes so they we all kind of sat around that little table three old men and and talked for a couple hours and uh the world went crazy right so okay now now having reminded me of that of course I knew of you before the Rogan thing it's hard these last couple of years have been real fast but all right so let's pause there for a second because that'll kind of set us up for for the last you know two and a half years or so and and thank you for doing some of the bio stuff so I didn't have to read all of that but what I wanted to illustrate there was that you've got sort of the private sector you've got the government sector something related at least closely enough non-governmental organization so you know I kind of been around the block three or four four times Academia so so with all of that in mind let's just do some like basic 101 stuff for a moment before we get to your red pill moment when when people are talking about vaccines and and the difference between the these mRNA vaccines and how we've always done vaccines previously can you give us just like a like a high level version of that and and sort of when did you become concerned that there was a difference in what was going on here so I think what you're talking about is not what is the nature of a vaccine in terms of the technology but rather what is the process to bring a vaccine to Market and that's typically about a 10-year timeline to illustrate the point the Department of Defense if everything goes well and it never does is on track to have vaccines licensed for all uh infectious disease agents that were deployed in BIO Warfare up until the end of World War II and if everything goes right they'll have all those vaccines by 2050. a full Century after the end of World War II okay so we gotta we got a basically a 10 10-year timeline to really do it right and that involves a significant non-clinical research toxicology pharmacody distribution genotoxicity a whole bunch of things that just got blown off uh to make sure that that it's safe enough to go into humans in the first place and then once it's in humans It Go typically a vaccine goes through a very staged process of phase one trials typically a couple of different phase one trials phase two expanded trials phase one is typically just kind of preliminary estimates of safety with low numbers you know here's an important thing to know uh in vaccinology we use the rule of three um and and the way this works is if you want to detect an adverse event that occurs in one in a thousand people generally you have to test 3 000 people if you wanted to text something that happens 1 in 30 okay or one in ten I was going to say one and ten then you'd have to test 30 people okay so that's kind of phase one trial right level one and you know one in ten is stuff that happens a lot pretty much to everybody Right One In A Thousand is is something that matters a lot if you're going to be administering it to large populations which generally is the case with vaccines unless you're talking about Special Forces or something for some obscure pathogen uh and then when you really get to uh you know Global deployment or national deployment you want to have sample sizes in the kind of three hundred thousand uh range uh you know this is what the FDA is typically required in the past for um uh new adjuvants for example for a vaccine but in this case kind of all the rules went out the door in the rush uh in all the fear that was actively promoted uh in so when you when you do it that stepwise fashion and then typically what happens is you you first kind of move it forward in healthy normal adults because they have lowest risks they can handle insults biologic insults best and then then you move to elderly people and special populations like immunosuppressed and those kinds of things and you do a step down into the little babies okay so first you do adolescence and then you do especially young adults and you do adolescents then you do children then you do uh you know young very young and then you can go down to neonates if you have to so that's the general process and to do all that takes enormous amount of time and the cost per subject uh for a well-run trial is something it starts at about ten thousand per person generally if you if you really mind your nickels you can get it down to about five or eight thousand per person and it goes up to about thirty or forty thousand per person so you can do the math and uh you quickly come up to some serious serious cash uh so it it takes you know billions of dollars um years and years to do this safely and uh as you've seen the decision was to rush the whole thing uh bypass almost everything um and uh started ministering it into a a very broad population a global population and do so also bypassing this key thing that was we all agreed on in the Western World at least after World War II uh called the Nuremberg Accords and the Helsinki Accords uh and then in in moving to the present um we call this the common rule in which people have to have be granted informed consent and you absolutely cannot uh coerce compel or entice uh people to take an unlicensed medical product that is just historically been off limits we all agreed nope Germans did that that you know everybody thinks about what happened in Nazi Germany uh the story of what happened in Japan is even uglier uh the Japanese biowarfare program was uh you know truly atrocious in terms of the bioethics and uh as I guess Bobby is going to point out in his next book Bobby Kennedy uh just like we imported a lot of the rocket scientists uh to launch NASA so to speak uh we imported both German but particularly the Japanese biowarfare experts and the records associated with that uh up to Fort Detrick in Frederick Maryland to launch our bio Warfare program which after Nixon made the determination that we were going to put in place the um biowarfare treaty uh got transformed into a biodefense program the same people doing the same stuff pretty much uh and that's that's kind of where that's all gone it's it's not a pretty picture uh and and the deeper you look into it in the bio Labs that we set up in Georgia the former Soviet state and then presumably the bio Labs that we set up in Ukraine uh those those uh offshore bio Labs uh have a long Rich history of ethical abuses let's say gently um so it's it's a it's a mixed bag here um there's a lot of there's there's I I do believe that there is an unmet need uh and that was the logic for advancing the RNA Tech in theory was there absolutely is an unmet need for ability to respond rapidly to engineered pathogens and emerging infectious disease but uh I I think personally that what's been done will basically destroy Global public confidence in any of this kind of activity for the foreseeable future yeah I think I think we've done that already and God only knows where that leaves us when when something really big hits but so I want to back up for a second so when you got that call around the second or fourth of of January of January back in 2020 now warp speed was basically a couple of months later what were you warned what were you warning about at that point I mean were you basically trying to get information to the administration to say don't rush this thing because God only knows what's going to happen or what the vaccine injuries are going to be Etc et cetera putting aside the coercion and yeah so so actually uh Callahan I I sent we we launched a drug Discovery program uh involving repurposed drugs that was absolutely Cutting Edge uh computational modeling we screen the entire library of all known licensed drugs as well as nutraceuticals and we came up with a ranked list of Agents and then I was at a drug Discovery conference involving artificial intelligence and machine learning at MIT in the end of February 2020 and I got infected with the original Wuhan strain in that first wave that moved through uh Boston and came home uh wasn't even aware that the virus had hit Boston at that point we all thought it was in Seattle and uh you know starting to trickle into New York and um my wife came in and as I'm laying sick as a dog in the bed and said hey Robert you know what you probably caught this one and at that point as somebody with the background of pathology and working with a very strong team uh uh including other Pathologists I I was of the belief that this was this was likely to be lethal or at a minimum uh to cause a progressive interstitial pulmonary fibrosis which is basically to say lingering death uh from uh loss of lung function and uh so that was kind of grim uh and and I started that's what that's just what you were feeling just based on how you felt at the time that yeah and I was sick I was really sick and um uh burning lungs uh um you know lots lots of symptoms and um so I I was embarrassed to do it but out of desperation I started taking the drugs that we'd identified uh it's generally not kosher to experiment on yourself in terms of medical ethics but you know you're lying here there's no drugs there's no docs that know how to treat it here in Virginia um they didn't even have any testing uh you know I called up to Public Health Service and said hey I need to get the definitive diagnosis and they said well if you think you have it you probably do um yeah that was about it uh in February so then you test on yourself like every bad guy in a Marvel movie basically yeah I started trying the drugs and the and I tried everybody's really hot on um quercetin uh it's in many of the protocols for me of course it's in a nice of course attendant was just a bust nothing uh but I took famotidine this uh Pepcid drug and suddenly you know within an hour I had a clinical response my lungs stopped burning I could breathe better and I was like okay this is kind of uh important so we really chased the tail on that one and eventually got it into clinical trials and and got papers published and some couldn't get published uh once they started blocking all publication of repurposed drugs and we uh continued on and and uh uh in a contract with MIT Lincoln Labs really uh identified react and stacked a whole bunch of agents that we're all familiar with now um for uh you know the dod potentially for the Warfighter and then uh and then this Buzz started with the with the Jabs and what had been done with ows and uh people started contacting me for information because everybody was confused and intimidated by This Acronym RNA Mr what does this all mean you know um you know no one would talk uh and so it was uh ring up Robert Malone and and hope he could shed some light and that's that's what kind of set that ball rolling um so that that I hope that fills in some of the gaps for you yeah so so as now they're rolling out warp speed and you realize that this technology that you were one of the experts on and had the patents on all this stuff and everything else as you realize that this is going to be now pushed really on on everyone in America with all this uh you know the companies were gonna have no liability and all of this crazy stuff what was your first red pill moment related to that when did you realize that something was wrong here well I realized something was wrong when uh the put together in February really in January and published in the beginning of February uh called how to prepare and protect yourself from the novel Coronavirus got censored in March and taken to Amazon uh so that that and and the justification it took us forever to finally get them to fess up as to why because their usual policies they'll tell you you know oh there's porn on page 52 or whatever the thing is right you fat shamed somebody whatever your sin is they'll usually tell you yeah um they wouldn't tell us although in the case of covet a little fat shaming probably would help but okay yeah but that's not allowed these days uh so any case uh finally uh the other shoe drops um we have violated Community standards what are those Community standards undefined but we we violated them okay so that's the first time I ever heard that phrase and and so it went uh there was a series of things but in terms of the Jab uh a couple of key things both of which involved Canadians uh really um crystallize things for me I got a um a call about uh from really out of desperation from a Canadian physician practicing Toronto who wants to be not named uh his his office has been broken in his computer has been Trashed by the government I mean he's totally been targeted for the sin of uh prescribing Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and saving people's lives uh but uh he called me in uh with brokered by Steve Kirsch uh and on a a Saturday evening uh seems forever go and was just appealing to me hoping that I could get through to the Canadian regulatory authorities and help help them understand what was really going on he you know kind of naively and and um and I had already managed I had already called in and had conversations and was had ongoing conversations with senior people at the FDA but uh I don't know anybody in the Canadian regulatory Authority and I don't even know the Canadian regs that well and so I had to say to him uh you know we we had this long conversation where he was telling me about how they were deleting any records that he would enter having to do with Adverse Events of his patients after they took the Jab and just totally disregarding what he was observing clinically and furthermore they were the government was enticing children to take the jab with ice creams and and for me this was an ethical horror I never heard of anything like this you know this is what I've been trained to never do uh you know on pain of losing my ability to ever practice clinical research again and uh so I I had to tell him I it's just we we talked until midnight and I said there's nothing I can do for you I just don't know I don't know who to call I don't know what to say and I woke up in the morning and uh my wife and I are both well trained in bioethics uh My Mentor in bioethics was her PhD Mentor a guy named edel Shamu and uh and I woke up and I said Jill I know what we can do for this poor guy uh we can publish an article on uh the bioethics of what's going on with these vaccines and the failure to enable informed consent and the enticement and coercion and what is the history of the bioethics rules that apply Etc and uh so that was that was the first big one and I think that was the first article out that really drilled into what was going on wrong with the bioethics and so basically so basically you first were concerned just about informed consent this is before you had any sense of what the vaccine injuries might be right so this is so so at that point I'm skating on thin ice I'm hearing these injuries uh and um I know I'm seeing the amazings that's going on and uh in gaslighting and you know information control and everything blacklisting that's going on and so I'm trying to figure out okay how can I navigate this this minefield and uh say something that will move the ball forward and get everybody to see that this this isn't right what's going on without just getting you know my head cut off and labeled as a anti-vaxxer nut case uh you know obviously I didn't succeed very well in that um uh but uh that was that was the attempt was to thread the needle yeah and I thought that bioethics was something where I clearly had the cork expertise and competence I was absolutely on the right I mean there's no ifs ands or buts about this topic uh in in terms of what is right and proper and so I thought well this is one thing I can do here that uh should be able to penetrate through the mainstream media and uh get people away so that's that's what I focused on and that's focused on uh for quite a few months was just trying to uh be the voice of responsible bioethics and drive that home and and was any of that breaking through to mainstream media I actually don't recall seeing you yeah I was gonna say I don't recall seeing you on CNN or on uh Meet the Press or anything so basically yeah so so you try that for a while and then and then in parallel uh u-pin and uh bioentec were aggressively marketing to uh characters for the Nobel Prize Katie courico and Drew Weissman and uh Katie is a former Hungarian spy and Drew is a former Tony fauci postdoc both of whom ended up working at UPenn and there this is about a decade later from after what I did my work and they had this discovery that they could use pseudo-uridine in the RNA and get more immune response and they were being marketed aggressively because this is what you know this is one way to play the game if you want to get a Nobel Prize for your Institution uh as as the inventors of this whole technology and concept and I was just kind of pissed about being written out of History uh and so I objected to that then this huge marketing campaign came at me about um oh you you're absolutely not the inventor um you're lying you're misrepresenting you know you're risk misrepeting your CV and and uh and it's all about Katie and Drew and uh you know New York Times and CNN interviews for them and everything and so I I just became a very inconvenient uh uh squeaky wheel in that whole environment and then when I'm coming out with this messaging about bioethics I was already kind of uh uh got the black spot despite having worked with media for uh almost two decades usually on background the reason why you never heard of me before is there I I have had multiple hard lessons in the uh the wisdom of the common DC saying uh if they can't see you they can't shoot you uh and and I I've you know as a consultant I've been able to do what I did by staying behind the scenes letting my clients take the credit and uh just kind of laying low and getting my business done and collecting my fee uh so that was a long-standing intentional strategy Department of Defense in particular but most clients really don't like to have uh the consultant um uh be out front uh so right so you have the initial issue is the coercion then the vaccines are out you already had heard of some uh vaccine injuries and things of that nature yeah other Canadian comes in Byram so Byram uh who I'd never heard of before but he's an absolutely well qualified vaccinologist immunologist uh academic University of uh gelf is that right I think um I may be confusing him with Matthias Desmond uh so forgive me if I did uh so Byram apparently manages to grab the common technical document for the Pfizer uh um submission uh for allowance to proceed in humans uh so common technical document we used to call those inds it's the dossier of everything they know about the product uh in that they use to justify initiating clinical trials and uh and usually those are considered confidential so the likes of you and I can't get at them uh because otherwise we would be able to go and try to reverse engineer whatever the new product is and so for whatever reason the Japanese apparently put this you know Common technical document is basically a universal document that gets submitted to all Regulatory Agencies all over the world and they put it on a server and Byram had somehow grabbed it or one of his buddies had and sent it to him and he'd done an analysis of it uh most of it's in Japanese but the figures and legends are in English and so he went through that and he was pretty shocked by what he found but he's not a Regulatory Affairs expert and he doesn't have the kind of you know hybrid experience I have so he asked a buddy of mine that runs a company called trial site news to uh see whether or not I would take a look at it so it comes to me right after it goes to Byram and I'm asked to do an independent assessment uh and and I read through the thing and I'm pretty shocked uh and uh and how how shoddy it is it's just it's atrocious and um shocking uh to me that this would be submitted for anything I mean if I submitted that I would expect to get reprimanded if not uh basically tarred and feathered by the FDA um was that basic was that because of the efficacy of what you were seeing what what was the most shock it was just there was no real efficacy data they weren't even testing the real drug product they were substituting an mRNA coding for a firefly protein luciferase um they so it was the mythology the methodology of the whole thing basically no it was it was completely inadequate by any standards that I had been trained on completely inadequate as a package and so I wrote up my assessment and I was so concerned by what I thought I saw you know this can't possibly be coming from Pfizer this can't possibly be you know I must be missing something so I sent it to a more senior Regulatory Affairs guy that I know that I used to work with in another contract research organization and he looked it over and he said oh yeah Robert everything you've said here is true but you missed a couple of other uh and and so I said well okay that's great I need to write this up now as an essay uh for trial site news do you want your name on it he's like no no no no no don't put my name anywhere anywhere near this thing uh so I boldly uh went where uh Angels Fear To Tread uh and and put that thing out uh in um Byram in parallel put his out and I've I've since met and spent time with Byram he tells the story uh up in Canada that uh he was scared silly of what I was gonna say he thought I was this big intimidating nasty guy and I was going to tear him to shreds and when I basically piped up on the on the zoom call that we had over this and said Byram I agree with everything you've said plus there's these other things he was completely relieved but that's that's how that came to be is is that's how I ended up being one of the first if not the first to me and Byram at least to really break the story that the regulatory package that Pfizer had submitted was grossly inadequate that set off a Cascade of me talking to Peter marks and you know I at that point I was still assuming that uh the FDA was acting in good faith uh and and my core assumption was that Pfizer had pulled a fast one on the FDA that the FDA didn't have sufficient scientific expertise to understand what they were looking at they couldn't possibly there's no way this could get through the FDA the only way I could imagine would be if they if the people that were doing the reviewing just didn't understand what they were looking at and so I offered my help to Peter marks and said you know I understand all this Tech and uh he basically told me to go pound sand and uh and that another uh body of data had been submitted by Pfizer and he'd reviewed that and he actually asked me to be quiet about my concerns uh to give him time to disclose uh what was in this new Pfizer dossier which we now know the FDA and Pfizer tried to withhold from the public for 75 years until the courts forced them to and so basically I got lied to by Peter marks but that uh now in retrospect shouldn't surprise me what's so fascinating about this beyond the science that's obviously fascinating is that you're sort of laying out the story of your red pilling in essence because every step of the way here there's some Regulatory Commission or some sort of censorious uh Outlet that's that's kind of stopping you or that even there you still are saying you had this belief that the FDA would stop it so when did when did you realize that it sort of seemed like the entire Machinery was either broken or my words just outright negligent uh that's a that's a good question um as the Adverse Events piled up and and I I'm vaccine injured uh I took the jab I took moderna when the um uh National Guard was deploying it here in Central Virginia I was scheduled for a talk in France and I knew I couldn't go if I didn't take the Jab and I had long covet and there was a whole lot of press that long covet could be could benefit from taking the jab we now know that's a lie um but uh you know more probably how skeptical were you I mean knowing knowing that you had had covet okay you had long coveted but you had done research I mean how skeptical were you oh yeah so I I had number one in good faith I'd assumed that my colleagues that I had known for decades must have had another part of the story that we didn't cover is that Jill and I worked on this tech for over a decade in Academia in uh at California regional private Research Center at bounce Labs at um Maryland uh and we abandon it because we could never overcome the toxicity and we have multiple other patents I mean this wall behind me is all patents um multiple other patents for different candidac lipids uh different formulations uh we published the first stuff on use of cholesterol which is in these formulations and uh early on I called up uh the guy at um University of British Columbia uh Peter Cullis who I'd known for quite a while who was the one that had really made the breakthroughs to enable this uh this version that was being deployed and uh I had faith that they had solved those problems that we had not been able to solve uh so um I was still operating assuming that that they had overcome the things that had bedeviled us that's a heck of a leap of faith huh well I think it's reasonable I mean you can assume that people are are nefarious or you can assume that people are generally good I and I prefer to assume that people are generally good although I gotta say the last three years that's taken a pretty hard hit uh yeah but I still I still approach the world with an open heart I try hard to and I and and I try hard to have faith in my fellow man and um and I employ the three strikes rule generally speaking uh you know uh takes three strikes for me to say I just don't want to deal with that person again um so so yeah I I extended Trust uh to my former colleagues believing that they must have had the Breakthrough that they asserted that they had had uh and uh obviously in retrospect they had convinced themselves as a as a community of a number of things such as minor modifications in the structure of the positively charged fat would lead to formulations which would Target specific organ systems or tissues and so they they had published and it was believed in the field that these uh modified versions and I we we in my lab we built hundreds of different cadetic lipid compounds and tested them at gen sign they they tested thousands or tens of thousands uh when they were trying to get agents to treat cystic fibrosis so I I knew how the game was played and and I the the literature suggested that uh there had been some kind of serendipitous magic findings that if you use this structure and you injected it it would only go to the lymph nodes and it would stay there and you'll recall that's what we were all told um and yet uh that wasn't true it was clearly not true based on the Pfizer data package that Byron Bridal had obtained uh so you know when you're when you're in you know you spent your whole career working in an area you have all these relationships with people uh professional relationships to break out of that and and say oh you know all these things I thought were this way were wrong and for me uh so I not only had that on kind of a micro level in this little bubble of this technology but I think we've all had that those of us that are awake have had that same experience uh about our government uh media um uh military all you know uh um globalism uh you know the I was our I knew the World Health Organization was corrupt as the day is long because I'd been there a number of times and spoken and dealt with them but um but the scope of what we've been dealing with I think for all of us pretty much uh we'd we just at least I had assumed that uh the world was a very different place and that people acted with Integrity generally speaking I wrote a a essay about this on sub stack where I talked about um uh peeling off layers of naivete uh and and I'm still not sure I've peeled off all the layers of my diet I'm sure there's there's more to go but there's there's always another layer there's always another layer so so all of this is happening and now you're you're being red pilled because you're seeing it through not only colleagues but you're seeing it through the regulatory commissions myself okay I on jab two I developed hypertension to 230 systolic and and pod narcolepsy and restless leg and you know all those at the time were not cataloged as as Adverse Events but we now know that they are um so so I saw you uh I saw a clip of you on Twitter a few weeks ago that no longer exists but I saw it with my own eyes so unless it was a deep fake I saw it it was not from your account it was from someone else's account where in essence what you were saying was and clean this up for me if I'm if I'm getting it slightly wrong that that basically some level of the MRNA vaccine is sort of like a low-grade HIV in that it is degrading people's immune systems it's it's hitting the T cells so now other dormant viruses are now popular that was that's not a deep um I don't know that I use the reference to AIDS only if I did it would be a reference to uh in autoimmune uh or I'm sorry deficiency syndrome um yes you you made a point of of differentiating between HIV and AIDS yes so uh acquired immunodeficiency syndrome is the is what the and so if you do something you know you're in in a state and then you then something happens and you become more immunodeficient you've acquired an immunode deficiency syndrome right so that's that's the tie-in it aids is actually a big basket into which you can throw all kinds of things um so uh early on it just as the clinical trials were still progressing and then at the very earliest time when they started deploying this it became clear that uh one of the adverse there was two in particular that were popping up that my buddies at the FDA who were outside of the review branch uh that I was having weekly zooms with uh said we're being flagged and I was hearing it popping up from other Physicians one was uh myocarditis which uh the FDA and the CDC denied and the Israelis denied that's the story uh and how that how that finally came became public uh and the other one was reactivation of latent DNA viruses uh um shingles being a notable example um and uh so there's a number of these large herpes-like DNA viruses that exist in our bodies for most of us cytomegalovirus is another one Epstein-Barr virus is a major one and generally your T cells keep these guys you can think of it as Pandora's Box keeps the lid shut um by you know T Cell suppression and if you if you pull that suppression off the top pops open and and all the nasties fly out of Pandora's Box I think is a good way to think about these latent DNA viruses and it was clear that that was happening after the Jab uh it's it's one of the major it appears now to be one of the major causes of the kind of shorter term short to intermediate term uh long coveted symptoms particularly Epstein-Barr virus uh so that's what I was referring to now uh um fast forward to yesterday or the day before uh when uh Veritas dropped this third video uh from Dr Walker uh I assume now formerly uh Pfizer uh uh direct worldwide director of mRNA vaccine or mRNA strategies uh in which he talks about the uh hypothalamic uh pituitary gonadal axis um that what he's basically saying there is that Pfizer believes that the menstrual irregularities are really kind of the tip of the iceberg and that this thing is damaging a fundamental aspect of your endocrine system your endocrine system controls your energy controls your sex drive it controls all kinds of development it controls your mental state whether you're depressed or excited or whatever it controls your digestion I mean it's your endocrine system is hugely important and uh it you know endocrine abnormalities can be associated with cardiac problems uh and uh they can absolutely they are absolutely endocrine fluctuations uh impact on your immune function so now now we have in addition to the huge laundry list we already had of potential causes you know in terms of the pathophysiology for why we're seeing these uh immunologic suppression phenotypes particularly the more people get jabbed uh but now we have another one which is the damage to the hypothalamic pituitary uh adrenal axis so so where where are we at right now I mean every year we are deep in a hole and continuing to dig I mean I mean how concerned so I'm not vaxxed the the two guys that are in this room that work for me are not vaxxed one of the reasons I did not get vaxxed was because oh first off I'm relatively young and healthy and take good care of myself but the more that they pushed for some reason that was igniting something in me and I just could not give in to that and and you know the other part Dr Malone was that when they really were pushing this idea of the employer mandates I kept thinking well I don't have a I don't have a thousand employees but even if I did what right would I have to say to somebody you have to inject yourself with something to work for me yeah so so clearly you were never going to be a major CEO of a large American corporation because you have a conscience I suppose that ship has sailed I got a couple small businesses I'm doing okay but but having having heard everything you've said here especially these last few minutes I mean people have now some people have gotten five or six Jabs uh peop we know that people are getting shingles and myocarditis and I have a young friend with heart problems I was on Rogue and I said those three little words uh that caused Google and all of Silicon Valley I like I know it was black I can do it Mass formation psychosis yeah so uh a good fraction of the world is hypnotized they they have succumbed so here's how I like to frame this uh because I'm really trying to focus on healing I'm a physician I mean I could have I could have gone into developing nuclear warheads like my dad did or or spy equipment like my father-in-law did no I want to go into medicine I want to heal people um the whole world has been subjected to three years of military-grade psychological operations that it basically is fifth generation Warfare Battlefield tactics that have been deployed designed for fighting Al Qaeda um deployed against our own citizens okay so military-grade psyops deployed particularly in the five eyes countries Great Britain United States Canada New Zealand and Australia this spy Alliance that is one of the most powerful organizations in the world and uh for some reason those are the countries that seem to have had the most egregious authoritarian responses and censorship Etc so uh so everybody has been subjected to military grade information Warfare technology and some of us like yourself reacted to it and said oh no if they're pushing this hard this can't be good I'm I'm out um or whatever the reason was that caused people to wake up Matthias tells the story that for him it was gradual Matthias Desmond he's been teaching Mass formation in the work of Hana aren't and Gustav Le ball he's a professor this is what he teaches and and he didn't realize at first it kind of gradually dawned on him as things were going along you know he said holy moly well that's not what he said um but you get the picture um uh what's happening is exactly what I've been teaching and underneath my nose and I didn't even realize it so my point is everybody has been subjected to this um something like 15 to 25 percent of people uh were resistant to it or woke up um and the rest for whatever reason we're not able to fight off the psychological warfare that was deployed against them should we hate them or should we say you know first off we can kind of Pat ourselves in the back a little bit good boy you resisted the psyops that's nice right um but I argue you know and this does not apply let's say gently to Tony fauci and uh sure Jacinda Arden Arden and Justin Trudeau and uh Rachelle wolinsky and you know we can go on and on with the names Tedros uh I'm not saying those folks but for the folks that you meet in the grocery store that are still wearing face nozzles the people who got duped and and uh who are putting face nozzles on their little kids and everything um and even the ones that said just ugly ugly stuff you know they were they were so wrapped up in the tribalism that they they said some there's some pretty nasty things and some pretty nasty policies oh you can't have a heart transplant if you don't take the jab or we're you know we people that haven't taken the jab should be allowed to die or they should be put into camps or you know we can go on and on with the ugly ugly stuff that was said I argue that for the most part those poor souls were were victims of a psychological Warfare campaign that was deployed on them and if we think of it that way we might be able to open our hearts to them and if we don't open our hearts we can't bring them over to our side we can never convince them by hating them um and we need them we need the persuadable middle if we're going to win this we're going to you know not have to live under the thumb of Klaus Schwab and uh all of his minions uh we need each other we don't need to be split apart so that's that's my uh my preaching on uh on the propaganda and uh fifth generation Warfare story that has you know all of us have been subjected to it's kind of nice I mean you spent your life trying to heal through science and now you're trying to heal heal through I suppose something that's a little more spiritual perhaps um I I should probably end it there but but I do want to ask you one one more thing because that does feel like the sort of positive ending but but now having all of this said how worried are you that Millions I don't know how many hundreds of millions of people throughout the world have taken this vaccine we're seeing the vaccine injuries many people have taken you know the fifth booster or whatever it might be and that the Litany of health problems that we're going to see and then what would could be emotional problems and all of the other stuff that that were just at the beginning basically of of the damage of this stuff that almost has nothing to do with covet itself so uh you didn't finish the sentence how worried are you about oh so you're saying how worried are you that we're at the beginning of finding out what what really the repercussions of the vaccines uh I'm I'm I'm I I'm not worried I know it to be true um uh um that's that's a fact uh you know I tour with folks like Ryan Cole as Ryan says the the cells don't lie um what he sees on his glass slide isn't fake uh it's not a deep fake and the cancers are popping up uh there's there's a lot of things going on here and and now this uh hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis issue um Dr Walker In a Moment of clarity uh in his own Twisted way uh in that last video um basically gave us a pre-read on on the situation he said can you imagine there's whites I'm paraphrasing if there's a widespread Global damage and we've damaged a whole Genera the whole Next Generation uh uh he's his and his response to that was I would have to take Pfizer off my resume um I I I the you know the violin is uh microscopic that I'm gonna have to play for that but um yeah be that as it may even even Dr Walker recognizes that the uh civil the the disruption in the fabric of of Civil Society will be huge I I am as I I've traveled over 400 000 miles last year on commercial air and then privates also a lot of time seeing a lot of people and unfortunately it's not slowing down this year I wish it was um uh and um there is a deep anger right now it is it is I often uh refer to Yates uh Second Coming and the slouching Beast towards Bethlehem there there is slouching Beast is out there and uh and it things could get very very ugly uh and um we absolutely do not need violence uh uh it will it will be met with overwhelming Force uh it's absolutely not what we need right now but um a lot of people are really really angry and they're getting angrier and meanwhile uh Pfizer and the governments and the World Health Organization and the weft are all digging in and they kind of are in our face uh basically uh like I say telling us to go pound sand um you know Justin Trudeau Etc so you know New Zealand those poor souls uh they finally get out under Jacinda Arden and they get somebody who's even worse it's just incredible and they're a tiny Island that could have dealt with this in a completely completely different way so give me something look we could do this first off you're welcome to come back anytime to to amplify anything that you want to talk about in the future of course um but but try to help me end this in a way that's going to give people a little positivity I mean we had to sort of reach out to your neighbor but yeah I'm gonna do the book pump thing yeah okay lies my government told me in the better future coming what better future what the heck is he talking about what I hear all over the world is the emergence of uh belief that um there is a a path forward that can um potentially enable us to fulfill more of our potential as a human species in a world that rather than becoming this centralized uh totalitarian uh I argue fascist or we could call it corporatist if you want to use nice nice words um uh fourth Industrial Revolution transhumanism world that that the world economic Forum wants to shape and thrust on us there is another way um in its movement towards uh networks of decentralized communities which in a way is what those those rich white guys 250 years ago came up with you know they were pretty smart they did a whole lot of thinking and reading uh and they were trying to solve a problem that's not so different from the one we face right now only on a smaller scale and uh I think they came up with some pretty good stuff uh in the form of the uh Declaration of Independence Constitution Bill of Rights and the whole idea of a federalist government in which the the nation state has very limited powers uh in in authority and responsibility for things like external defense and regulating interstate commerce um I think what we all what I hear except for the monopolists you know I can't speak for Bill Gates but for the likes it for you and my eye what I hear again and again is people just kind of want to be left alone and live their lives uh and not told what to do and not told that they have to uh you know keep have digital ideas attached to their carbon credits and you know forced to uh have a uh social credit score in order to uh get a mortgage or buy a car or you know whatever the hell um uh we just you know guys just leave us alone let us let us teach our own kids don't force we would not even go there all this other garbage on our children right yeah that's that's a whole other time a feeling I know your feelings and and um uh and allow us to live in a world in which we can trade and engage in transactions with each other uh for goods and services um and uh live our lives and I'm told you know so that's one of the big focuses the book it's things like you know start a victory garden Etc and some practical things about what you can do about our federal government right now what's in ongoing and what Trump tried to do that I think was there was a bunch of good that Trump tried to do uh um he's he's unfortunately he can't control certain aspects of his personality but he did a lot of good and he had a lot of good ideas and um about the government and about the administrative state uh and um I'm not sure I think personally that we've had these guys have been planning this since World War II and and arguably even earlier than that and uh we're not going to turn this around uh in the next two years uh we may not turn it around during our generation but I think it's a worthwhile fight to fight for the sake of our children um and uh and I think we can there is a a there's something out there on the horizon of a better way for Humanity to really fulfill its potential by being able to work cooperatively uh but not in a way that's from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs um uh and and I think that that's the better future I think we can go there I think we can build towards it in an incremental way and the phrase that's often used is intentional communities uh and if if you're a fan of galts of of anarand um you may have or may not have noticed the name of my sub stack who is Robert Malone right which is direct reference to John Galt I'm in golf Gulch over here in Florida I shouldn't have said that but yeah there you go um uh in in I consider our little 50 acres here to be our own personal golf Gulch so I think that you're you're what you're expressing is that you already have your mind wrapped around the idea of small intentional communities and the value that they bring and I think we have to build a new system kind of organically within this larger superstructure that's basically going to collapse around our ears in the next few years and hope that we can weather the storm and come out the other side and and we can be the examples for an you know a new way forward rather than this uh you know Terminator Matrix uh I mean how many times do we have to see those movies okay that Terminator Matrix Minority Report idiocracy it's all there Dr Malone you ended it beautifully I appreciate it and as I often say to my audience I have nothing better to do than save the world I suspect you don't either so enjoy your 50 acres and as I said anytime you want something Amplified please reach out and and we'll help as much as we can thank you thanks for the the time spent um and look forward to our next chat if you're looking for more honest and thoughtful conversations about politics instead of mindless drivel check out our politics playlist and if you want to watch full interviews on a variety of topics watch our full episode playlist all right over here and to get notified of 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