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http:// --> Ashland, Oregon HOME Valley & State Sports Nation & World Opinion/Editorial Classifieds Business Columnists Local Issues Obituaries Weather Archive Revels Etcetera Backpage Hot Topics Most Viewed Forum Photo Galleries Video Readers Polls O-Zone Online Games Movie Preview Special Sections Real Estate Guide Menu Guide Shakespeare Subscribe Contact Us Rate Card Place an Ad Featured Galleries: January 23, 2007 City golf course could become affordable housing By Robert Plain Ashland Daily Tidings The city-owned Oak Knoll Golf Course could be transformed into a smaller park and a subdivision, including market rate and workforce housing. This idea was floated by some city council candidates early on in the 2006 campaign, but the issue will be discussed for the first time formally by the Ashland Housing Commission on Wednesday night, at 6:45 in the council chambers at 1175 East Main Street. "The commission is going to discuss exploring that as an idea," said Housing Commissioner Bill Street. If a majority on the commission think its an idea worth pursuing, it would be brought to the Ashland City Council "to see if they want to do it," Street said. Then, the Ashland Parks Commission, the group that oversees Oak Knoll Golf Course, would be brought into the debate. He estimated it could take a year to get the project to the city council's agenda. The potential switch from golf course to neighborhood is motivated by the need for more affordable housing in Ashland, Street said. "One of the essential problems with creating affordable housing is the price of land," he said. "The golf course is 74 acres of residential land." Street added that in addition to a "wide variety" of workforce and affordable housing, the project could also include "some market-rate housing to pay for the transition or infrastructure costs." The housing commission agenda identifies the issue as a discussion about the "potential redevelopment of Oak Knoll Golf Course as 'Lithia Park East' and mix of market rate and workforce housing." But Street said at this early stage all ideas are on the table. He said the project could also contain new housing while retaining the golf course. "It's too early to tell at this point," he said. "It's open to discussion." Ashland Parks Commission Chairman Rich Rosenthal wrote an analysis on the municipally-owned 9-hole golf course, in which he said the parks commission, "has not wavered in its commitment to operating a golf course at the present location." In his report, titled "Challenging Times for Oak Knoll Golf Course (No Matter How You Slice It)", Rosenthal says, "Some Ashlanders suggest Oak Knoll's valuable open space would better serve the community as a location for an 'affordable' housing project, but only the City Council can make this drastic decision." But he adds, "The golf course is an important recreational amenity that enhances the quality of life of many Ashland residents," and it "has significant economic impact for the entire community." However, he also acknowledges the publicly-owned golf course has had a difficult time making money. "Oak Knoll's financial performance is mixed over the past decade, which is cause for concern and a topic of civic debate," he wrote. "Over the past 13 years, five new public courses have opened, creating a competitive, oversupplied market that dropped Oak Knoll's market share to approximately seven percent in the 10-course county trade area and to 10 percent in the smaller Ashland trade area." Over 23,000 rounds of golf were played at Oak Knoll in 2005, "which is less than half the number the course received in 1991 and nearly one-third less than in 1996," Rosenthal said, adding that usage has declined in seven of the past nine years, and Oak Knoll has generated a profit only once since 2002. Instead of scrapping the golf course, he would prefer to renovate it, including a new irrigation system, and add more staff, which are complaints golfers have had about the course. Rosenthal believes the course can become more viable if a capital improvement plan is instituted and the course is marketed better. Street, an advocate for workforce and affordable housing, would prefer the course be redeveloped like a redeveloped neighborhood in Breckenridge, Colorado. "The Wellington Neighborhood in Breckenridge, Colorado provides affordable and market-rate housing on a site that was once dredge-mined," according to an Environmental Protection Agency award for smart growth. "The project recycles land, creates housing for working families, provides a free transit shuttle to the nearby downtown, and helps the region avoid "mountain sprawl." Both Rosenthal's report and the EPA award for the Wellington neighborhood will be discussed at the housing commission's meeting on Wednesday night. Staff writer Robert Plain can be reached at 482-3456 x. 226 or [email protected] Current Comments: Let's see if I have my facts straight---the library is closing, the tennis club is being sold as a warehouse, the golf club is going to close and be converted into affordable housing. I assume the next two bits of news will be that Lithia Park will become a landfill, and the Shakespeare Festival will move to White City. Certainly all these things will vastly improve the city's image. Bill Anderson ( [email protected] ) - Ashland, OR 97520 - January 23rd, 1:41 PM Intersesting Mr. Street is so willing to adopt growth policies on "public" land as a solution tool, but at the same time he and a small handful of others continue to be obstacles for growth on private lands. Mr. Street, why not publically joint venture on private land and leave the public open space lands alone? This idea is more progressive if you let it (look no further then the Williams' property off Helman Street). Tree Luver - Ashland - January 23rd, 1:50 PM Once again, an answer before an analysis. Bill Street, like Alice Hardesty before him, has done no market research or cost-benefit study to ascertain if a sensible approach to subsidized housing in Ashland, much less on Oak Knoll GC, exists. Frankly, they must know that "affordable" housing is the next AFN--a feel-good flop. Michael L. Hays ( [email protected] ) - Ashland, OR - January 23rd, 2:22 PM I can't wait to see who shows up to protest this project. The same people that are screaming for the Mt A expansion because its "for the kids"? Plowing this golf course is also for the kids, as in more affordable housing for their working class parents. Of course having low income families with kids, increased noise and traffic flows in THEIR back yards is not going to fly over easily with this same crowd. We will see the true smell of hypocrisy on this one for sure. Let the whine flow! - Ashland, Ore - January 23rd, 3:11 PM My kids use both the ski area and the golf course, as do most of their friends. Kids learn to golf at muni courses...they're not necessarily welcome at championship courses as beginners. Retaining and using the golf course is as important to our family as retaining and using our other parks. What a nasty tone from Whine Flow. Must be an unhappy person. clare - ashland, or - January 23rd, 5:31 PM As in the idiot plan to build apts on downtown parking lots, "Lithia Park East" (ick) is simply available. It's also not on a bus line, within walking distance of a market, close to a school or just about anything else that one would normally look for to make family housing without cars work. How about they SELL the Golf Course for big ugly houses that cost $$$$ and use that to build small affordable, apartments that are actually IN TOWN. Oh. They might be next to Mr. Street's hse. enough - ashland, or - January 23rd, 5:44 PM The CofA's approach to Oak Knoll has always been like our little own local version of "The Producers." Their strategy? To underfund it, run it into the ground, and drive away business, thus giving the City an excuse to raze the course, break it up into house lots, and make some serious $$$. And Street's assertion that affordable housing is the priority? I'm guessing the finished product will feature half a dozen rental townhouses surrounded by several hundred 3500 sq/ft McMansions. Regis - Ashland, OR - January 23rd, 6:25 PM I can't believe this is coming from the likes of the NIMBY Swales/Navikas/Lang/Bullock/Street gang??? From one of Ashland's, just say NO!to Anything gang! I am in disbelief! I heard Faith Tabernacle gave up their land for an affordable housing project but Planning denied the zone change request unless the density remained SFR & therefore? What is the golf course zoned? it better already be multi-family or one of the other NIMBY's will be feeding on one of their own- an ugly thought! shocked! - Ashland - January 23rd, 7:02 PM At least the golf course has a CHANCE to make some money. Stop neglecting it and get a more personable pro. Can any other park in town bring in some money? Why is a golf course any less important as a recreational facility? How many of us use the tennis courts or pool? How much money do they make? What do we do with Mt. Ashland after it hits a streak of snowless winters? I'm sure the city leaders have all the answers and they will do what they feel is best for the rest of us. A GOLFER - Ashland - January 23rd, 7:55 PM I PLAY THE KNOLL. It is competive fun and a great value. I DO NOT live in Ashland. IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE!! As for Mr. Road I mean Street. IT IS 70+ Acres of GOLF COURSE NOT residential land. I hope your not another out of town golf architec--golf course and houses on 70 acres. We might as well go to the family fun center for PUTT PUTT. The City loves to send our tourist dollars to the north and here is another example. The city SHOULD try spending some money on it promote it and see what happens. Jerri - talent - January 23rd, 8:39 PM We are not Breckenridge. I know Breckenridge very well. After all with everything closing everyones moving to Talent, Phoenix and Medford so why build unaffordable houses who needs them?? After all Hardest tells our Ashland residents to go to Medford to golf. Can you believe that? PAR FOR THE COURSE. This is going to be a nightmare. jt - ashland - January 23rd, 8:42 PM Sorry, we do not have a "dredge mined" area a la Wellington, CO. How about the quarry above Granite St.,or the huge cattle farm across I-5 that the city bought for sewer effluent distribution? Talk about a pre-made ghetto! There is no "affordable" housing in the valley;as many sober people have said, there is only "subsidized" housing. Lower-cost housing needs to be spread through the neighborhoods.Our course is a "short course" already, and even a 10% acreage reduction will destroy its value! TrickyTom - Ashland, OR - January 23rd, 8:59 PM Enough, your comment contradicts itself. Building small affordable downtown apartments over a parking lot, within walking distance to markets, on a bus line, and close to schools cant be both an "idiot plan" and the ideal. Although I'm not a golfer I could support keeping the course if it covers its cost...but as I understand it it doesn't (like AFN TV). I could use a park that let me and my kids play at that end of town and I'm sure the operating costs would be much less than a golf course. confused by enough - Ashland - January 23rd, 9:26 PM GOLF IS AFFORDABLE RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE. The Golf Course enhances the quality of life of many ashlanders. There are Men's & Ladies' Clubs, high school & college teams. Kids play for $5 a round. Oak Knoll Golf Course is the best value for affordable recreation in the valley, and it belongs to the people of Ashland. It is not the site of a "dredgemine" like in the Wellington, CO. Oak Knoll has been a part of Ashland history since 1928, and the land was not intended for high density housing. Ron Tracy ( [email protected] ) - Ashland, OR. - January 23rd, 9:56 PM It amazes me that the same folks who killed the Billing's golf course proposal on North Main (John's dream for thirty-plus years), the people who want no growth, are the very same flakes who are trying to close down the only affordable recreation asset that we have left.Bowling is gone,the ice rink is going. Is Lithia Park next? TrickyTom - Ashland, OR - January 23rd, 11:57 PM My son learned to play golf at Oak Knoll. Leave it as it is!! Also, stop calling it 'affordable housing' and call it for what it is... 'subsidized housing'. There is no such thing as affordable housing in Ashland and there never will be. tiwal - Ashland - January 24th, 6:47 AM Confused by me...my point is that the reason they focused on the lots was because they owned them. Building affordable on postage stamp lots of high value (3-4 units, maybe?) isn't as good as selling or developing those hi-priced lots and building 6-8 units in the RR district or by the college. The land downtown costs too much, but the City can't look beyond its nose. True affordable housing should be intersperesed through town, not ghetto-ized in a big "project" just because we own land. enough - ashland, or - January 24th, 7:11 AM ENOUGH: we walked to Shopnkart, Bi-Mart, YMCA, Bellview, its very close to Oak Knoll where we used to rent. Now we own down Helman St. and it is A LOT further walk for us to shopping and mid-high schools!& there certainly isn't anything there in what the tourists call "Downtown" for us locals, so we still end up going to the South Ashland for shopping because of what is there, NEAR Oak Knoll! Ashland/Tolman St. isn't as "pretty", but it is inarguably The Downtown for locals! Oak Knoll Proponent - Ashland - January 24th, 7:17 AM lets see 5 new golf courses have opened in the l3yrs sounds like the game might be arround for a while oh yeah and ashlands population is getting older and more affluent you can only watch so many plays,ashland allready has its solution to affordable housing its called talent kevin - ashland,or - January 24th, 8:42 AM What better healthy affordable yearround recreation than the Oak knoll Golf Course for the families, seniors and visitors who have used it since 1927 (80 Years). AS A 37 year resident and retiree, I started playing golf 3yrs ago. I once again felt a connection to the community I love. When I approched one of our council to express my views, their first response was "Have you ever tried golfing in Medford". With that attitude, it is clear to me, why the Quaiity of life here is diminishig. Ronald Corallo ( [email protected] ) - Ashland, Orgon - January 24th, 10:01 AM Oak Knoll Golf Course has been a part of our community for many years and is a very challenging, enjoyable place to play golf. I have been playing there for the last 12 years and hope to continue. Ashland has very few recreational opportunities that are truly "affordable". Yes, more golf courses have opened in the valley but Oak Knoll is a place that the average person can afford to play. Does the pool, the other parks make money. Why not improve the course and draw more golfers. Bret - Ashland, Oregon - January 24th, 10:17 AM All this affordable housing proposal is another scam to build more houses promises promises promises why would you do the poor any favors its all a game to get some bedfellow the green light to build quit talking and get the cheap houses up now. ann - ashland or - January 24th, 11:33 AM I hope the council does not think we the people of Ashland are that stupid: 1. The course HAS been mismanaged -via the City's inability to hire the right Marketing people. We have over 2k visitors, yet no marketing in our Hotels for a free round. duh! 2. The Course USED to make money when they had marketing campaigns. 3. subsidized housing in Ashland - This will be called "South-Sid"; once the ghetto is built and their is no Bus service to take peps out to shopnkart; that may be a problem-Out! sOuTh SiDe - South Ashland - January 24th, 11:35 AM Oak Knoll..I appreciate your input but walking from OK Subdivision isn't same as OK golf course. There are no sidewalks on 66 and a history of pedestrian/bike problems already. If I thought the city might build a sm. shopping area within Lithia Park East that would be one thing but ours is a community that generally condemns new commercial development as a matter of course, particularly if its anywhere near housing (Think Roasting Company here). enough - ashland,or - January 24th, 11:43 AM Viewing the Golf Course as "cheap land" only means it hasn't been assessed by the market since its been in public hands for so long. Using the same logic Lithia Park is even "cheaper land" since the Golf Course has a reveune base while the Lithia Park just languishes off the tax roles. Regarding implementation of affordable housing--if it is not done by a public housing authority it will fall under private bid. When this happens about 85 percent of housing will be market for the project to work. Roger Figura - Alexandria VA - January 24th, 12:08 PM Subsidized housing is much better served by groups such as Habitat for Humanity, not by the city. City governments are not known for efficiency in any aspect of life. Habitat knows how to intersperse through the neiborhoods, how to select the awardees (jobs, "needs" determination, sweat equity) and how to solicit financing without burdening every city taxpayer. Should all city taxpayers be taxed for the benefit of a select few? I think not! LetsTalkTurkey - Ashland, OR - January 24th, 12:30 PM I think it's a beautiful thing that we, right here in little ol' Ashland could re-create the 'projects' that were once the solution to big city housing. Our own slum! I think 15-20 storey brick buildings crammed into that useless golf course space with dirt playgrounds and plenty of chain link fencing is exactly what we bin missin' here. We can force all them po fowk into those buildings. Out of sight (but fer a few rich fowk out there), out of mind! Welcome to the world, Ashland! Great idea! Oh get over it! - ashland - January 24th, 2:56 PM Oak Knoll has a very spacious layout. A number of segments of the property could be developed for housing while still retaining an acceptably roomy course. E.g., a corridor of land along the east side of the fifth hole (along Hwy 66) could become housing. That corridor could be widened by moving the fairway 50 feet further away from Hwy 66. If housing units are constructed on a diagonal pointing toward the green, they would have a nice view of the course with little risk of getting hit by balls. Rick Sherman ( [email protected] ) - Ashland, OR - January 24th, 4:20 PM See-the problem is that we have the blind leading the blind. We are not Aspen, Breckenridge or any other Ski Resort town. Mt. Ashland runs as poorly as a place can run (worked there) therefore innately making it unable to support expansion, ecosystems aside. I've seen vast neighborhoods built in the last few years in Ashland and I think ONE was utilized as Affordable Housing? We're losing schools, libraries,golf courses here since the '20s...soon we'll have lost our character and dignity Simone - Ashland - January 24th, 5:01 PM Rick You must never have seen me hit an iron....270 degree danger zone....I have even hit myself, a row of houses would be childs play Seriously though I think someone else suggested that for the City to build this would be to risk another AFN boondoggle, and for a developer to do it would require non-subsidized housing to pay for affordable subsidized housing.....Catch 22...all at tax payer expense. Oak Knoll is a nice little community course and should stay that way. El Mundo - Tierra Blanca - January 24th, 5:04 PM Council needs to get out of the real estate, sking, golfing, library and animal control buisness and get back t9 there job kike approving liquor licencing, cleaning up your AFN and other yah and no vote.Least Alan Deboer did somthing for the community without asking for city money and would have never asked for wages. ann - ashland or - January 24th, 6:52 PM I went to the Housing Commission meeting tonight. Lots of cogent comments. I was dismayed by the slides that the Commission showed and read. They took Parks Commissioner Rich Rosenthal's report about the Oak Knoll Golf Course and only highlighted the negatives. Cherry-picking the intelligence has not served our nation well, it certainly doesn't serve our city well. Ed Laskos ( [email protected] ) - Ashland OR - January 24th, 8:32 PM AMAZING..that's all I have to say AMAZING! I went to the meeting tonight.Standing room only.Ashland people are SO SAD that their City has gone down the tubes.We really want to take our City back by the balls and bring back the Ashland we once all knew and loved. All I took away from that meeting is in no way in Hell will this committee propose "Lithia East" to the City Crazys..I mean Council.This issue is DEAD! Now, for all you good people of Ashland, STOP watching the Crazy people run the City. GET UP AND FIGHT - THE GOOD FIGHT**NOW - January 24th, 9:39 PM Please leave our golf course alone for recreation. Encourage groups like Habitat for Humanity to come into Ashland and provide housing where possible. Respect the property values of those living around the golf course. Would the city have to pay for the reduction of their appraisals when causing the construction of affordable housing? Even the affordable housing of the past is not even close to affordable for many. Please leave the golf course for the golfers, the birds, open space, etc. Greg - Ashland, OR - January 24th, 10:18 PM I was at the meeting also. And my take is that the massive turnout will only slightly sway the commission's/Council's intent to solve the low-cost housing problem on our backs. The empty Croman property, the nearly empty Willow Wind property were spoken to by attendees, not by commissioners. "Study sessions" were proposed. Look out! Some less ethical types may "go underground"! Tom O'Rourke - Ashland, OR - January 24th, 10:35 PM Oh come on now. As soon as Navickas votes himself in a big raise, he will be looking around for that affordable housing so he can finally get his 30+ year old ass off somebody else's couch. Why not let the city give him salary and housing? Give him a break, don't you want him and his buds as neighbors? Think of the medical marijuana grows... could be a good source of income for what is left of the golf course. Think of the nonworking stiffs - Ashland, OR - January 24th, 10:57 PM How about affordable housing at Lincoln, Briscoe, Willow Wind? Ashland is never going to be family friendly again and need them-so we may as well house our service workers. I can see high density apartments vs high end condos on these grounds. I have never seen an expensive community w/o local any industry/real jobs nearby ever bounce back and become Affordable, &can't happen in Ashland w/ our anti-growth, anti-biz values. And these values have shaped Ashland into what draws most of us here observer - Ashland - January 25th, 8:46 AM My question of the day: Why do the powers in Ashland ignore the fact that rezoning, to be able to make Croman and/or Willow Wind multi-family residential, is easy to do if the current owners agree with the change. Why is there such paranoia among the commissioners and councillors? Tom O'Rourke - Ashland, OR - January 25th, 9:34 AM Ok this was tried many years ago. Maybe it needs to be re-ignited. Trade the golf couse for the Elks building downtown. The ELKs will take over the course and increase there membership. The city would then turn the Elks building into low/moderate income housing/condominiums. When the Mark (Ashland Springs) fails again then the city could turn it into more housing, selling Mt Ashland to help pay for it. There fixed, what's next! John Dennis - Ashland since '75 - January 25th, 9:48 AM I hope the golf course is left alone. Maybe a small number of affordable units can be built there without impacting the golf course. That would be be alright. But right now we're looking at libraries closing, losing indoor tennis facilities, the closure of the SOU pool, the demise of the ice skating rink. I mean, how can anyone think of losing yet another community recreation site? I'm not a golfer, and I don't live near Oak Knoll, and I certainly am not affluent - but this is all too much. Susan - Ashland - January 25th, 1:54 PM We do not need to be building more affordable housing a.k.a. "subsidized housing" at this time. Building housing that workers cannot afford because of downward pressure on wages brought about by increased competition for the few scarce jobs is not the way to go. We would all be better served if the council got rid of its anti-business attitude and gave more effort working with the Chamber of Commerce to develop a high-wage environment in town. Without good jobs, affordable housing is but a dream Doug Forsyth - Ashland - January 25th, 3:57 PM Concepts, such as discussed, concern me as a citizen. This is a wake up call to me. Make no mistake, if left untethered, Ashland will have no open space, affordable housing will abound, spending will spiral out of control, and the working man will decide to leave. Why should he stay? There will be nothing here! You are taxing us to death. This proposal only adds to the depth of the grave. Michael Bianco - Ashland, OR - January 25th, 7:29 PM There are at least 15 Reasons to keep the golf course a golf course: 1. It is recreation for all ages in Ashland. 2. It doubles as a park, my kids love the driving range, playing golf, sledding on the hills in the winter and the outdoor movies in the summer. 3. In the long run, it will make more money as a golf course then it will as "affordable" housing. 4. What happened to Ashland's love for open space? Do any of the council or planning commission live near the golf course? Cindy - Ashland, Oregon - January 26th, 12:16 PM First city council I ever seen that was clueless about golf.This affordable housing is a cover to get the money houses approved and built. It will be interesting to see who is getting rich off this one. There is a hidden agenda behind all these lunatic proposals. ann - ashland,or - January 26th, 2:30 PM OK. So a lot of folks want to keep the course. Good. I agree. Now let's watch the NIMBYs mobilize when I suggest there is a very large bunch of land the city owns at the top of Strawberry Lane. Perfect for low cost housing since it's in a current housing area. It is unused land, unlike the golf course. Completely open. Close to town. Far more advantages for low income housing than Oak Knoll. Why should lower income folks not be allowed to live in THAT area? Can't wait for the responses! Now we'll see thr true colors... - Ashland - January 26th, 3:03 PM How about a nice mobile home subdivision on the City property northeast of the freeway? The people there would have a beautiful view of the Siskiyous, sunrises and sunsets. Donna D. - Ashland OR - January 26th, 5:22 PM Oh...I know! The new owners of Ashland Greenhouses can sell their property across from the "gentleman farmer", Mr Tidaldi, and that can be used for affordable housing. That way Tidaldi will not have to view that "horrendous" agricultural operation. Ashland Greenhouses can grow plants between the fairways at Oak Knoll, which would provide operating income for the course and be lovely for nearby residents. Everyone wins! Yeah! - Ashland - January 26th, 6:12 PM Why not just offer free bus passes to the low income workers in town? That way they we can get their sorry butts out of town and not have to face them at the end of the day.That's why we all move here anyway. If you want low income housing,a decent paying job and diversity move to White City. Dave - Ashland - January 26th, 10:50 PM Dave, here's a clue: That will never happen because most of the city council would have to leave too! Navickas is one of the people pushing for affordable housing and pay for City Counselors so he can stop couch-surfing and be supported in the manner to which he'd like to become accustomed. Think about it - Ashland, OR - January 28th, 9:45 AM Why don't the city fathers take a look at that huge chunk of city land called the ashland gun club? Correct me if I'm wrong but I still think the city owns it. Talk about a waste of good land sitting unused 99% of the time. Dave - Ashland - January 28th, 10:34 PM The issue shouldn't be the kind of people that will live their because housing is still 150k to 200k for the new ghetto. That to high for even a family both working to afford. So lets not make it where to put housing most people could afford. The point is people bought in Oak Knoll because it was a golf course if they had no interest in it they wouldn't habe moved to a golf course. Isn't there a grandfather clause, Slow growth why atre we worried about building homes we aren't building business. ann - ashland or - January 29th, 2:23 PM Lot's and lot's of affordable housing has been built in Ashland. In every instance, it quickly became much less affordable. Why? Because it was in Ashland! Give up the ghost and leave the golf course alone, people! Steve - Tampa - February 17th, 7:11 AM The money for the purchase of the golf course was derived by a campaign based on the idea of public lands being purchased and kept for open spaces thus keeping Ashland livable. How does the City now rationalize that with cramming in a housing boondoggle for themselves called workforce housing? This is only one of the most ridiculous thing I have heard form the City in a week or two. Who are these people pretending to have our concerns at heart? on and on---- on and on - Ashland - February 20th, 4:29 PM Dear neighbors, I live in a multi-family, wheelchair accessible, affordable housing complex. I look forward to meeting you in person at the Habitat for Humanity building site. Bless you for all your kind words. 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