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http://www.omniture.com --> Ashland, Oregon HOME Valley & State Sports Nation & World Opinion/Editorial Classifieds Business Columnists Obituaries Weather Archive Hot Topics Forum Photo Gallery Revels Etcetera Backpage O-Zone Real Estate Guide Menu Guide Shakespeare Subscribe Contact Us Rate Card Place an Ad Online Games August 25, 2006 'Wilderness' relocates to Venezeula By Robert Plain Ashland Daily Tidings Mike Ruppert is gone. He left not only Ashland, his new-found hometown, but has denied his allegiance to the United States with a reported exodus to Venezuela. "I left the United States with one large suitcase, my laptop, and a backpack," he wrote in an article on his Web site. "I left behind my precious library, most of my clothing, my personal possessions, my guns, and a house full of furniture. I brought with me less than eight thousand dollars in cash and gold to start the final segment of my life." Ruppert is the owner and editor of FromTheWilderness.com, a Web site dealing with Peak Oil and alternative Sept. 11 theories. Earlier this year he moved to Ashland and quickly drew a local following of supporters. Ruppert played a role in the Jackson County Sustainability Network, a group of some 200 local people who are trying to localize daily life and food production in the area. A few computers, along with boxes, are stacked up in the conference room of the From the Wilderness on Washington Street in Ashland. Photo by Orville Hector | Daily Tidings The former Los Angeles beat cop became an independent journalist to uncover government conspiracies. According to the article on his Web site, he says he has relocated to Venezuela, in part, because of a June burglary at his Ashland office. "It was the final outrage in almost three decades of attempts to silence my voice," he wrote on his Web site, ostensibly from the South American socialist nation. However, one of the founders of the local sustainability network says that his recent disappearance raises more questions about the man's mental well-being than any of the reasons Ruppert himself cites for his departure. "My feeling is he really needed a change in his life," said Michael Dawkins, a friend of Ruppert's who also facilitates a support group for depression and bi-polar disorder. "I think there is some depression or mania there." A strange burglary Ruppert's brief tenure in Ashland reached a bizarre climax with the burglary on June 26. Who committed the crime, and why, remains unsolved. Like the government conspiracy theories he often writes about, his thoughts on the burglary include twists, accusations and of course, government persecution. "There will be another time and another place, when I can and will say more about what happened," he wrote on his Web site. "Certain important events have yet to unfold, and I'm holding other key facts until the time is right. There are facts about the timing of the burglary that may eventually connect to events here in Venezuela." Ruppert said he believes a former employee, who he had fired weeks for the crime, burglarized his office. The former employee thinks she knows who committed the burglary. "I think he did that himself," she said. Ashland Police are keeping an open mind. Officers would not rule out Ruppert himself as a suspect. "At this point the case is still under investigation," Deputy Chief Rich Walsh said. "We're looking into both current and ex-employees." He added, "We'd like to find out what the purpose of moving to Venezuela was. It may have absolutely nothing to do with it but we would like to know." A troubled relationship When interviewed the morning after the alleged burglary, Ruppert said he suspected the employee of trying to use his shipping department to smuggle methamphetamine. "Her behavior was entirely consistent with meth addiction," he said, noting that some of his clues included highly erratic behavior, mood swings, poor dental hygiene and her slight figure. According to the woman, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she fears Ruppert or his allies could try to hurt her, her accusation of sexual harassment caused her dismissal. She denies the meth accusation. "I don't know where he comes up with me being on methamphetamine," she said. Both parties admit to engaging in conduct typically deemed inappropriate at the workplace, such as conversations about sexual preferences and other flirtatious behavior. "I made the mistake of not realizing early-on that I was being harassed," the woman said in a statement made public by Victor Thorn, editor of WingTV.net. "For a while I was able just to 'laugh it off' when such comments came from Mr. Ruppert by telling myself it was just a harmless product of a patriarchal American society." Wing TV is a competing 9-11 conspiracy site. Both Thorn and Ruppert describe themselves as internet rivals. The woman said she did not provide the statement, which outlines the alleged harassment, but a friend of hers did. The friend, she said, is actually another former Ruppert staffer whom she met after leaving From The Wilderness. The morning after the alleged burglary, Ruppert discussed his troubled relationship with the former employee. Ruppert admitted to stripping down to his underpants and parading around the office while he and the woman were the only two there, an accusation the woman made in her statement. However, he said his motive wasn't sex but rather an attempt to uncover the woman's "con." "I was trying to make her show her hand because I knew she was up to something," he said while sitting in his office as Ashland Police surveyed the seven computers that were smashed with a sledge hammer in another room. "I needed to cross a line to make her show her hand." When asked if he thought this was a wise move on his part, he said, "I handled it the best way I know how. I may spend the rest of my life asking myself that question." Ruppert denies he harassed the woman, but said he was attracted to her. "Was I tempted? Sure. Did I think she was cute? Absolutely." He added, "Nothing she said rises to the level of sexual harassment. I'm a 55-year-old, divorced, healthy male who is lonely. Is that a crime?" The woman is afraid of Ruppert and fears he might harm her. She doesn't believe that he is in Venezuela. "I don't know what Ruppert is capable of," she said. "He's mental. My mom wants me to move out of town because she doesn't think I'm safe here." She said she has reported Ruppert to the state civil rights division for sexual harassment but has not pursued criminal charges. She says she is still considering a wrongful termination lawsuit against him. "I was the wrong female to mess with," she said. The government Ruppert's former employee is not the only one he blames for the alleged burglary. Ruppert also suspects the smashed computers might be related to a government plot to ruin him. "Other facts started to indicate government involvement," he wrote on his Web site. "As soon as I discovered the burglary I ran next door to the offices of the US Forest Service which shares the same building. I asked [an employee] if they had surveillance cameras covering the front of the building and our only parking lot. Reacting as though I was scaring her to death, she hastily replied, 'No'. I couldn't help but feel she already knew about the burglary." Indeed, government plots against him have been one of the most consistent aspects to his career as a writer. "My permanent exodus from the U.S. was actually ordained 30 years ""- to the month ""- before I left for good on July 18th, 2006," he wrote on his Web site. "It was thirty years ago that my then-fiancée, a career contract agent for the CIA, disclosed to me that "her people" were interested in giving a major boost to my career with LAPD if I would become involved with her "anti-terror" operations that involved "overlooking" (i.e. protecting) large drug shipments coming in while facilitating the movement of large quantities of firearms going out." According to LAPD documents, he was put on leave until he could pass a psychological evaluation. Staff writer Robert Plain can be reached at 482-3456 x. 226 or [email protected] Current Comments: sounds like your typical 1% ashlander nutjob. mike hunt - ashland, or - August 25th, 3:53 PM "Like the government conspiracy theories he often writes about, his thoughts on the burglary include twists, accusations and of course, government persecution." "Like the corpoorate greedheads who pay his salary, staff writer Robert Plain ignores all the facts which do not support his biased attempts to discredit any and all opponents of the current administration." Farquaar - Ashland - August 25th, 3:53 PM Off his meds and on the lam! Gosh, maybe Comrade Hugo will send Mad Mike to Iran to team up with Pete Seda! They can trade stories about the repression and harassment threatening Ashland! (Hey, Farquaar, Robert Plain and I use our real names on what we write, why don't you?) Rich Kline - Ashland, OR - August 25th, 4:18 PM Wow Farquarr... "Robert Plain ignores the facts which do not support his biased attempts..." Did YOU read Ruppert's last article? That is an extraordinary example of that very thing! Give me a break! Jane - Eugene, OR - August 25th, 5:44 PM Ashland is a great place for a guy like Ruppert to thrive. There are so many disillusioned leftists living here that they will listen and support anything and anyone touting self rightous enviromental/anti-government ideas. Any discredit for Ruppert is his own doing. It sounds like he and his wanna be girlfriend were both smoking the bubble (meth pipe). River rain summer - Medford - August 25th, 6:15 PM Off his meds and on the lam! Gosh, maybe Comrade Hugo will send Mad Mike to Iran to team up with Pete Seda! They can trade stories about the repression and harassment threatening Ashland! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thinking errors. Pete Seda has lost his adopted country, his children, his business, because of government persecution. Whatever Mike Ruppert's doing, he's not avoiding a trip to Guantanamo, to slander Pete by association with Chavez is inane. Charles Carreon - Ashland - August 25th, 9:23 PM Farquaar,Ruppert,Pete Seda,Tidings Plain and Green are a just a few examples of the many very confused and hateful people that have come to Ashland to abuse the hospitatlity of a good community. Ever since the Tidings ownership changed,the new Medford owners seem to take delight extending front page status to the ravings of those whose mental stability raises more questions than their political views.The more whacked out a view or perspective,the more attention given the Tidings. Tabloid news. Kevin - Ashland,OR - August 26th, 3:37 AM Mike and Rich, Don't bother to let your self-serving useless quips to get in the way of substance, OK? In fact, just makes something up, pull it out of your warm dark spot, and post it up... it's easier. Phil Wilson - Ashland, OR - August 26th, 5:59 AM I read through Mr. Ruppert's 28,000 word "Farewell" letter. This letter makes much more sense if you look at it in the context of bipolar psychosis (i.e. the grandiose paranoia and persecutory delusions found in his Kristalnacht paragraphs). If Mr. Ruppert is suffering from mental illness then living without proper care is dangerous. Moving to a new country without such care is extremely dangerous. Hopefully his friends will ensure he gets the care he needs so he can live a safe, healthy life Kirk Evenson - Sioux Falls, South Dakota - August 26th, 8:53 AM Good riddance. Now if all the other Ashland wackjobs would follow suit and join him. Kool-aide is waiting. Gymjunkie - Medford, Or. - August 26th, 9:18 AM More and more I see our culture sliding deeper into the abyss. Whenever someone does a brave and difficult act, usually outside and against the mainstream of this culture's beliefs, they are maligned and discredited. So what if he was "difficult". Most of the people in the world worth knowing are difficult. I couldn't care less if he was "mental". I think we're all crazy for being proud these days, and our intolerance for anyone like Mike is just a bit too conservative and smacks of a mob. Thomas W. - Ashland, OR - August 26th, 10:37 AM Re Michael Ruppert's Ashland Break-In and Fleeing to Venezuela Everybody probably knows about this by now. The Ashland Daily Tidings did a front-page piece on it yesterday, slandering Michael Ruppert up one way and down another, doing the sleaziest thing a newspaper can ever do which is to blame the vandalism on the victim. SCUM, SCUM, SCUM! "There be dragons here in Ashland." Little Miss Innocent White City lady is obviously an agent, and the vandalism has U.S. government written all over it. It happened right in the middle of a huge Forest Service complex. Yes, right in the middle. First question: why would Michael Ruppert, who distrusted the government in every way, and rightly so, Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 26th, 12:32 PM Mr. Carreon: Pete Seda fled the U.S, knowing Iran will not extradict him to answer legitimate questions and face criminal charges. Flight to avoid prosecution is evidence of guilt. Let him return to face his accusers � he will have the presumption of innocence under the rule of law � or hide under a hostile government's protection and suffer the consequences. He made his choice. (Sounds like Ruppert and Seda have similar mental problems, and have found similar ways to deal with them.) Rich Kline - Ashland, OR - August 26th, 1:02 PM Mike Ruppert is the most despicable human being I have ever had the misfortune to know and work for. To those who casually dismiss the short-comings of his personality (to put it lightly) I would invite them to spend just one month in his pressence. If his subscribers only knew the duplicity and the cosmocentrism that he exhibits they wouldn't believe a word he says or writes. He's a pig and I think it's very likely that he's the one who smashed up his office. ex-employee (praise god!) - Nowhere, USA - August 26th, 6:42 PM It's sad that so many people give money to that guy. I first met Mike Ruppert in a bar in Ashland. "A bar?" one might ask. "I thought he was an alcoholic." Right, he is, and a really ugly one, too. It's the opinion of more than a few people out here that Mike Ruppert moved to Oregon because he was under the impression that he would be recieved as a king. When that didn't happen (and as his business started to fail) he smashed his computers and fled the country. Good riddance. ursula - ashland, or - August 26th, 6:59 PM First question: why would Michael Ruppert, who distrusted the government in every way, and rightly so, position himself right in the middle of a huge Forest Service complex? The Forest Service is the government! Their agents can be easily infiltrated by other agents to make bad things happen. And there's almost the feeling that he was there among friends. We went and checked it out, yesterday. I would never have put my office there in a million years! And there he is, dancing around in his underwear in front of his employee right there in the middle of the U.S. Forest Service complex. Apparently, he wanted her to show her hand. Is that hand as in "hand" job? The guy is off his fu Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 26th, 8:47 PM Coming from long-time intelligence family, he's a candidate for an infiltrator. He apparently has had big influences on goverrnment. He basically got CIA director Deutsch fired. That would definitely cause payback. But maybe it was staged as part of creating the beat-upon, abused Michael Ruppert image. How can he be an infiltrator if people don't think the government are after him, if he isn't truly expressing his own views, if he doesn't have connections and effects? But Peak Oil works perfectly for Dick Cheney. And the Illuminati are always willing to reveal some important information, like live-fly exercises on 9-11, in order to get a bigger result of making Michael Ruppert look like Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 26th, 8:48 PM This forum is just free speech inhibitive. It only pretends to let you make comments. Where is the justification for the delay? That they have to be censored first? That is SO FREE! Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 26th, 10:35 PM Yes, it does have to be checked. If everyone would read the disclaimer and follow the simple rules of decent behavior it would be different. And then there are the automated tooks filling these forms with tons of crap that must be removed. We are sorry it does take time to keep these up and activated as I am doing it now on my Sunday morning. Webmaster - Ashland, OR - August 27th, 9:52 AM Michael Ruppert had a huge responsibilitly to the 9-11 truth movement to act appropriately in all ways. They invited him to their forums. They sat next to him. They cited his works. And now he is making himself look shamed and fearful. He either is who he says he is, in which case he never smashed his own computers, or he isn't who he says he is, and we're talking about something completely different than the lone nutter theory. I've never trusted Michael with his LIHOP theory (let it happen on purpose). And I hated his peak oil thing. That is so Cheney. And why is he on a campaign against renewable energy resources? Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 27th, 11:05 AM Yes, it does have to be checked. ************************************************* Actually, the paper has an absolute exemption from libel and other forms of "publisher liabiity" under 47 USC Sec. 230(c)(1), under Zeran v. AOL, 129 F.3d at 331, so there is no need to censor anything. (Although Zeran says you can, you don't need to.) No charge for the advice. Charles Carreon - Ashland, Oregon - August 27th, 12:04 PM Webmaster: Regarding your need to edit posts: Under 47 USC Sec 230(c)(1) and the interpretation in Zeran, 129 F.3d at 331, the Tidings has an absolute exemption from libel and other forms of "publisher liability," so it is free to allow people's posts to appear just as they are made, without editing. No charge for the advice, Mr. Bolsinger :) Charles Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 27th, 12:07 PM I have worked with Mike Ruppert since 1999. There is no one who better understands how difficult he can be to work with then me. Having also been a target of harassment, I also understand how targeting can cause the best person to behave unprofessionally. I work with Mike because he provides critical coverage of events that saves readers lives and assets. I write for From the Wilderness and am proud of it, Catherine Austin Fitts Catherine Austin Fits - Hickory Valley, TN - August 27th, 3:17 PM I interviewed Mike about two weeks before the breakin. He was not in a mood to wreck his own setup. He was proud of his achievements, ready to buy a house in Ashland, enjoying karaoke nights, and open about being, as he put it, "a lonely guy." To say he destroyed his owned machines is as preposterous as the FBI's claim that Judy Barry blew herself up. Shame on the Tidings for spreading the pure speculation of what they'd call a "disgruntled employee" were the subject other than Mike Ruppert. Charles Carreon - Ashland, Oregon - August 27th, 8:16 PM I want to know the history of the rental at the forest service complex. Michael, let's hear it. It makes no sense that this space would be available to outsiders, because that blows their entire security setup in the back. How did you get this space? Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 1:26 AM All of the work Michael did on 9-11 is now discredited. It's as if it had a giant "X" on it saying, "DON'T GO THERE! MICHAEL RUPPERT IS A BOZO!" A quick out and in, the information being buried more effectively than if it had never been revealed, which it eventually would have. People don't just go insane like this. He obviously planned it. Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 5:29 AM I still like Mike and I respect his work; despite any short-comings he may have as a person. I now believe that 911 was an inside job, and Ruppert's work, amongst others, helped convince me. I also know that when you begin to look behind the facade of what really goes on...the JFK assassination, the MLK assassination, U.S. foreign policy, and 911 it can make one very depressed and somewhat paranoid. Mike, wherever you are, you need to get to a meeting. Greg B in Chico. Greg B - Chico, Ca - August 28th, 8:08 AM The only thing I have to say is that sometimes people who are a little "out there" still may have remarkable insights. I am not saying Ruppert is necessarily bipolar, I am cautioning against the deduction that if he is a bit sick, he cannot possibly have been the source of important and accurate information. That is just too simplistic. Tony - Dallas,TX - August 28th, 8:17 AM When doing a Webb-job, please try to refrain from the old Stalinist way to "explain" anyone who doesn't hail government propaganda as the absolute truth as mentally ill. It's just so, well, transparent. People who know better are getting to see this stuff too you know. Albert Bakker - Veendam, GR - August 28th, 8:29 AM Looks like a Dick Cheney set-up. I wondered how they would try to destroy Ruppert after his book " Crossing the Rubicon " detailed the oil sector's blood profits, and their part in all these illegal wars. As for this employee? Most likely a plant, perhaps a Zionist fascist? Thoughts - Fort Worth, TX - August 28th, 9:09 AM "Let him return to face his accusers � he will have the presumption of innocence under the rule of law" Rich Kline you are either delusional or blind. Can you say Gitmo bay? Presumption of innocence...how long have those folks been rotting away down there without charges or lawyers? Get a life Rich. Lee Donovan - Ottawa, Canada - August 28th, 9:11 AM If Mr. Ruppert is sick, and I'm skeptical, he is in the very best place for help, since Venezuela and Cuba have a reciprocal deal - cheap Venezuelan oil for Cuba in exchange for Cuban doctors for Venezuela. Both Cuba & Venezuela offer healthcare far superior to what we (at least, some of us) have in the US. Good luck, Mike. Lately, I have been seriously contemplating moving to Venezuela, too. Maybe I'll see you around. P.S. Anyone using the term "leftists" is suspect. Krish - Lafayette, IN - August 28th, 9:36 AM Is there a secret, cult meaning to "FTW," as in "F_ck the World"? Wikipedia wrote: FTW can refer to: "F_ck The World", a tattoo seen on bikers, prison inmates, and punks. In common use since the early 1970s." Do you take us as suckers? Is that "Save the Wilderness," as in Iggy's song: "God and his captains, they wanna pull the f_cking plug, they wanna pull the f_cking plug, and give the skies back to the birds and bugs"? Why does FTW use the CIA logo? Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 9:38 AM Mike Ruppert's book " Crossing the Rubicon " put several hundred nails in the coffin of the hideous scum who did 9/11 -- Cheney and the NeoConMen (with possibly some help from the Mossad). There is no doubt whatsoever that he was monitored, harrassed, and "black-op"ed by confederates of the the above mentioned slime balls. His personality, positive or negative, is an irrelevant point. The book exposes the mass murdering scum who pulled the towers and launched the fascist takeover of America. Patriot - Washington, DC - August 28th, 10:10 AM I for one support Mr. Ruppert. This thing has CIA written all over it. This smear campaign itself, instigated at this time and without Mr. Ruppert present anymore to defend himself, is their standard procedure used to discredit. Also, please note that most people who are informed and have an understanding will prefer to post anonymously, or not post at all, for obvious reasons. This will therefore tend to support the anti-Ruppert perception that most people are in agreement with the smear. This is not true either. Anonymous - Somewhere, Texas - August 28th, 10:40 AM Michael Ruppert's article entitled "By the Light of a Burning Bridge," is an Illuminati pun for the Sun. "Pun for the sun" -- that rhymes! In it he says "My permanent exodus from the U.S. was actually ordained thirty years ago -- to the month." "Ordained" is a religious term meaning "to invest with priestly authority, confer holy orders, authorize as a rabbi, by fate ordained." All Illuminati concepts. Sounds like KULT to me. Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 10:49 AM Of course Michael Ruppert is kinda neurotic and paranoid. Anyone who has a clue what's going on in the world feels like that sometimes. I can only imagine the stress on someone who spends their life investigating and reporting on the evil of their own government. That doesn't totally excuse his character flaws, but conversely, his character flaws don't invalidate the exhaustive research he's done into 9/11, CIA drug-smuggling, and other areas. Jeremy - Oakland, CA - August 28th, 11:41 AM Mike Ruppert is a master of the 'limited hangout' where just enough information is leaked in order to sway the reader into a belief of plausibility for the storyline. While I respect his analysis of the political machinations that led to the middle east imperial project we're on today, I find his views on 'Peak Oil' to be highly suspect. They read just like the Club of Rome, which is made of the same elitists Ruppert supposedly hates. You don't fight a system only to promote its worldviews. A. Magnus - Tampa Bay - August 28th, 11:55 AM A few points: 1)Michael Ruppert is an ingratiating individual and a bit off to be sure. Still, do not exclude all that has been put out from the web site. There is still much in the message, though not as much as he would have you think. 2) The rents sure are high in lilly-white liberal Ashland. What's up wid dat? Your CoOp has gone down the gentrified toilet too, though the tiles shine nowadays. Now wake up fools and focus on your fascistic gov't instead of one "lonely guy" who hit the road. Michael - Ithaca, NY - August 28th, 12:12 PM Ruppert is a disinformation artist who's usefulness has been used up. When he started saying that the 9/11 truth movement should just accept what happened and move on, it became quite clear what his true motivations really were. Disinformation and derailment. Just because he has written some books critical of the Bush's doesn't mean he is on OUR side of things. They send out guys like this to confuse everyone allowing them to get away with even more terrible things. It is a very old tactic. Getagrip - Canada - August 28th, 12:25 PM If A. Magnus was closer, I'd ask him out for a drink. Talk about fighting a system only to promote its worldviews: one of the headings in Michael's "Burning Sun Bridge" article is "The End of History." The End of History is part of Leo Straus's Nihilist revolution, an apology for terror, nicely detailed by Webster Tarpley in "9/11 Synthetic Terrorism Made in USA." The end of war is the end of history. Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 12:25 PM Blaming the victim: very sleazy journalism. Ruppert's detractors can only dream of being as aware, intelligent, and informed as Mike. They'll never get there watching Fox News, or reading the Ashland Daily Tidings. Chesapeak Oil - Happy Camp, CA - August 28th, 1:06 PM Tara Carreon, you make me laugh out loud. Thanks for the entertainment. Uber Dude - Portland, OR - August 28th, 1:15 PM I just interviewed a lady at "Pathway Enterprises," CEO Jim Ormand. They moved into the forest service building across from FTW AFTER the terrorist attack. That's what it was, not a burglary. Three guys with sledgehammers smashing computers is terrorism. She knew nothing about Mike Ruppert. The whole building was forest service until they brought in FTW. Ranger stations don't take in tenants. There is no building directory outside. Pathway is a cover for the forest service rental story. Tara Carreon ( [email protected] ) - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 1:31 PM Ruppert's slamming by a corporate-owned newspaper is expected. Local commentary doing the same in an upper-income demographic is equally typical. For the article to suggest he pounded his own hard drives because he may have exhibited bipolar behavior is deplorable. Denying the current administration's brown-shirt tactics is blindness. Vocal support of fascism to protect a stock portfolio seems a mite shortsighted. Chewbacca - Dantui - August 28th, 1:37 PM I have an important correction to point out: that Venezuela is a democracy and that it is not socialist. To conclude, the author of this article is obviously brainwashed, has not done his background work, and knows very little about widely-recognized forms of government. In sum, the author is lacking in education. Tom Lowe - Borrego Springs - August 28th, 2:02 PM I hope Mike finds some peace in Venezuela. I used to visit the US every year to go to Disneyland. Now that The US has suspended habeus corpus, the right to unreasonable search an seizure and most other rights and is shipping tourists to the middle east to be tortured I will no longer set foot on American soil. The US is just another 3rd world country now. I was wondering how long Mike would stay in that cesspool. Good luck Mike. I will look you up if I am in your area Chuck Beyer Chuck Beyer - Port Alberni BC Canada - August 28th, 2:11 PM I just called three ranger stations in the area. Adele, at the Butte Falls two ranger stations, when asked if they rented spaces replied "Oh, no!" Jim Good at the Prospect ranger station said no, and also that none of the forest service buildings he knows of have surveillance. A lady at Applegate ranger station said no, they don't rent spaces either. Tara Carreon ( [email protected] ) - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 2:14 PM Pictures of the forest service complex and Michael's office can be seen here: http://www.american-buddha.com/911.abyliteburningbridgeruppert.htm . There are S.O.S. Alarm stickers all over now. I have a call into Ray to find out whether Mike had service then, if they got a call, if they reported it, what their response was. Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 3:09 PM There are a lot of skeptics posting unfavourable comments about Mike Ruppert, many of whom I suspect have not read his articles or subscribed to his site. Tara Carreon I sense deep anger in you. The fact of the matter omitting anything about his character is that FTW has been accurate and written presciently about the unfolding of current global events related to Peak Oil. Ruppert has been well ahead of the game. Love him or loathe him FTW's analysis is very accurate. Deano ( [email protected] ) - United Kingdom - August 28th, 3:11 PM Deano rhymes with Beano. "I sense deep anger in you." Oh, now I'm the psycho! FTW's analysis is NOT very accurate. When was it we were supposed to have imminent war with Columbia? There is no evidence for peak oil. It's the same old Malthusian bull -- limits to growth -- we've been hearing for ever from these neocons. Anything Michael has said, Webster Tarpley has said better. Michael doesn't talk about "physical evidence," because it can be refuted; whereas, conjecture is irrefutable! Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 4:00 PM Yes, yes... I love the duplicity in these comments... This article is a smear? Did anyone read Ruppert's that triggered this one? It was employees/gov't officials/meth dealers that broke into the office. Did anyone notice he took the insurance money and ran? (Uh, hello!) How DARE Robert Plain exercise his free speech!? It's blasphemy! (Ruppert is OK though...) OF COURSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE POSTING unfavorable comments. There are many that aren't subscribing to Mike's story. Robby ( [email protected] ) - Sonoma, Ca - August 28th, 5:44 PM What I don't appreciate! From Ruppert's own blog: "We cannot expend time or energy putting out the various little fires that have ignited around cyberspace about the bombshell of Mike's relocation to Venezuela." "Please make out checks or money orders to From the Wilderness and send to the address below. Also please let FTW know if you would like your donation to go to Mike Ruppert specifically. Thank you!!" Must suck for him. People can actually comment here! Jonnah Jebron ( [email protected] ) - Talent, OR - August 28th, 6:00 PM Michael's article, "By the Light of a Burning Bridge," proves that Michael is an Illuminati sun worshipper. The pun is too developed to be a mistake. Then there's FTW's reference to "F_uck the World." This association is too longstanding to not be known by an L.A. cop. So, what he secretly meant when he chose the abbreviation FTW is "F_ck the World." The official registered trademark for "F_uck the World" is a penis inside a hole. (Cont'd) Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 6:16 PM See it here: http://www.american-buddha.com/911.abyliteburningbridgeruppert.htm According to biblebelievers.org, aka CIA, "These symbols, as well as others, have sexual connotations! For example, let's look at the point within a circle. When a person enters Masonry, he is told that the point within a circle represents: '. . . the individual Mason (the point), continued and restricted by the boundary line of his duty (the circle). {Cont'd} Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 6:20 PM "Its Real Meaning, however, is that of phallus, positioned within the female generative principle (sex organ) in sexual union, the climactic act of sun-worship" (Shaw and McKenney, p. 144)." Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 6:22 PM " ... in the world and separation from God. It is a symbol of ancient secret societies and the sign of the House of Rothschild and of International Communism." Well, I guess they ought to know. Add that to My Pet Goat, and I really think we have something here! Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 6:27 PM I think this article by David McGowan says everything there is to say about the Ruppert matter: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr84.html James Paterson - Sydney, NSW - August 28th, 6:40 PM Typical disinformation. Ruppert left the country because he didn't want to be "suicided" like "two bullets in the head" Gary Webb. Larry - Montreal QC - August 28th, 7:01 PM Mike's job was to get into the people in Ashland and report back to HQ a list of people that should be rounded up and imprisoned/killed when the government feels it is the right time. Mike did his job and was then given a cover story so that Mike could move onto his next job -- intelligence and organizing terrorist activities against Venezuela. Mike's defenders who defend him are either naive dupes or agents like Mike. The first I'd do if I were Hugo Chavez would be ship Mike back to the US. Sherlock - Forestry Department, Washington DC - August 28th, 8:27 PM Add that to "My Pet Goat," and I think we've really got something here! When you think about it, all Christians are FTW with their armageddon myth, and they are Illuminati, too. And wasn't it them who invented the devil and put Jesus on a cross? TAKE JESUS OFF THE CROSS! Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 9:10 PM The beginning of the paragraph re "wilderness," by Biblebelievers.org, aka CIA, reads: "On the Day of Atonement, one goat (Jesus) was sacrificed, while its brother escaped and was banished from the congregation to bear Israel's sins into the wilderness (signifying the rest of the world). The great two-horned hermaphrodite goat bears between its horns the fiery torch and represents Moloch. The pentacle or five-pointed star between the horns of the beast signifies energy and enlightenment or power Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 9:55 PM http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr84.html . Now that was tasty, James Paterson from Sydney. Hey, Uber Man: HEIL, NIETZSCHE! Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 28th, 10:24 PM The insurance money you speak of is from his father & has absolutely nothing to do with the activities that took place at the FTW office located next to the US Forest Services. A fired employee & her methamphetamine dealing convict sure could smash some computers though. Who knows who did it? I'd like to collect & donate Mike's leftover belongings though. Wake Up - Austin, TX - August 28th, 11:18 PM Tara lets be civil. Much of your commentary is ad hominem and provides little substance for criticism of Ruppert. FTW has been in the lead of Peak Oil and in my opinion Peak Oil is THE line that connects 9/11, proxy war and global militarisation. To say there is no evidence of Peak Oil is somewhat myopic. Many prominent intellectuals from the fields of geology, petroleum, finance and government are now on the record about it. In the UK energy prices have almost doubled in a year. Why???? Deano ( [email protected] ) - UK - August 29th, 12:46 AM Tara Carreon, You need to up your meds. You are OCD to the max...how many bizarre responses did you post here? Too many for me to count...Take some Valium...you are out of touch with reality. NO ONE will take you seriously with that kind of behavior. No wonder people from all the surrounding areas hate people from Ashland and call them nutjobs! This behavior embarrasses Ashland. It does for Ashland what Timothy Treadwell did for bears..a huge disservice. Jon - Ashland - August 29th, 2:15 AM Hehe, true entertainment. Right when Tara's about to make a point, here psychosis shows through and ruins it all. Honey, not everyone is Illuminati. But Ill be glad to fill you in on something so you finally know. The Illuminati is basically a big boys club dedicated to finding, nurturing, and at the same time controlling POWER SEEKING individuals. You need to look up the Jason Society. The Illuminati doesnt have offices you can walk into....BUT..con't---> LaughingAgain - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 2:27 AM ..they have recruiters like the Jason Soc. to get certain people from High School and earlier. If you know anything abuot the Illuminati, youd know of the Eye in the Triangle, right? Well, thats their symbol that means "He who holds the Eye in the Pyramid manifests reality for all". See, theyre a Secret Society that finds powerful people and puts them in certain positions of Government, etc. And yes, its outside of our own Gov but tied-to at the same time. Is Free-Masonry and the Masons...cont'd LaughingAgain - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 2:33 AM ..are the most public branch of the Illuminati? Youd be right. But do you think theres not a group out there that looks out for and rounds up highly intelligent and power driven people? Youd be wrong. Put away alot of your fear. Youre only operating on the level they (or any somewhat secret group) want you to be on. Ill leave you with this: The biggest secret of the Illuminati was/is a Meditation technique where one dissolves themselves into pure light. Take from this what you will.... LaughingAgain - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 2:41 AM I snapped a photo of a KBR tanker that was full of JP8 (jet fuel) when it was hit by an IED. Guess what... an entire tank of burning jet fuel didn't even crinkle the sheet metal tank, made from steel much thinner than the massive beans of the Twin Towers. I'm a simple guy, but I'm not stupid, and I only need to see one black sheep to know all sheep ain't white. Mike can be working for the Devil for all I know, but that doesn't change who is the Devil. Someone working in Iraq ( [email protected] ) - Baghdad Iraq - August 29th, 4:49 AM TARA CARREON! The Awesomest! Peter Stubb - Dalton Georgia - August 29th, 5:53 AM I found another link to his story on blogspot.com. I think the poor webmaster here must be getting overwhelmed! What a topic, eh? Stephanie C - Portland, OR - August 29th, 8:36 AM Deano, you obviously don't know what ad hominem is. This is ad hominem: "Tara Carreon I sense deep anger in you." This is ad hominem: "Tara lets be civil." This is ad hominem: "You need to up your meds. You are OCD to the max...how many bizarre responses did you post here?" This is ad hominem: "Right when Tara's about to make a point, here psychosis shows through and ruins it all." I have NO respect for ad hominem. Fart jokes, however, I love. Get some beano. Tara Carreon ( [email protected] ) - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 10:24 AM "Honey, not everyone is Illuminati." -- LaughingAgain Luis Bunuel, "The Milky Way," wrote: COP: Anyway, getting back to our discussion, there's nothing miraculous about the miracles of Christ. They're commonplace occurrences. PRIEST: Really? COP: These days science can explain anything. Miracles are natural phenomena, like it or not. PRIEST: Well, I find that more than ever before science agrees with the scriptures. That's why the whole world is now Catholic. COP: What do you mean, Catholic? PRIEST: That's right, the whole world. COP: But what about the Moslems? PRIEST: Come now, the Moslems are Catholic. COP: What about the Jews? PRIEST: Especially t Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 11:06 AM "The biggest secret of the Illuminati was/is a Meditation technique where one dissolves themselves into pure light." LaughingAgain Ted Gup, "The Book of Honor" wrote: Bissell related [President Kennedy's]order: "Get rid of Castro." Halpern wanted clarification. "What do the words get rid of mean?" he asked Bissell. "Use your imagination," Bissell responded. "No holds barred." In the year ahead the Agency did indeed use its imagination. (Cont'd) Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 11:25 AM "There was even a short-lived plan to convince the Cuban people of Christ's Second Coming, complete with aerial starbursts. "ELIMINATION BY ILLUMINATION," the scheme was dubbed by one senior officer. But such silliness gave way to more deadly plans, including a contract on Castro's life offered to the Mafia. The Agency was determined to create chaos in Cuba, with a mix of sabotage, propaganda, and, if need be, outright assassination." Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 11:27 AM "In the UK energy prices have almost doubled in a year. Why????" -- Deano Uhhh ... because they raised the prices? Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 11:36 AM After carefully reading all these posts, and applying advanced Chomskian core-syllabic analysis (a technique known only to we full-metal aluminati), I have determined that Tara Carreon IS Mike Ruppert! Can I be excused now? Rich Kline - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 12:08 PM COP: What about the Jews? PRIEST: Especially the Jews. http://www.american-buddha.com/milkywayscreen.htm http://www.american-buddha.com/luis.bunuel.htm Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 12:09 PM Tara you are going way off topic. Let's have rational debate. You say there is no proof of Peak Oil and FTW is wholly inaccurate. There is an abundance of evidence if you care to broaden your reading that will tell you otherwise. In the US you now have Roscoe Bartlett as a leading proponent of Peak Oil theory. In the UK Michael Meacher called the War on Terror bogus and stated openly it was about securing hydrocarbon reserves. FTW has been screaming this since 2001. Be objective Tara. Deano ( [email protected] ) - UK - August 29th, 1:23 PM I talked to Melanie at S.O.S. Alarm re 655 Washington Street "burglary" on June 25, 2006. Their services were not retained at the time. They installed the alarm at the above address on July 21, 2006. Let's close the barn door in America AFTER the cows have all gotten out. Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 1:47 PM "In the UK Michael Meacher called the War on Terror bogus and stated openly it was about securing hydrocarbon reserves." -- Beano Tell us something we don't know. That doesn't prove Peak Oil. It simply says our government wants to steal Middle East oil and make slaves of everyone in the world. Scarcity and need are not implied. Greed and cruelty are. These people are sadists. They LIKE to hurt others. It's not really economic. Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 2:08 PM Assume that: POD = Peak Oil Date -- when the world has less than 50% of the extractable oil left BBD = Current rate of use in Barrels per day TAEO = Total Amount of Extractable Oil left in the ground Then: POD = (Today�s Date + (TAEO � BBD)) X .50 Analysis: BBD is changing as oil prices rise and we adopt new energy technologies TAEO is unknown, because no one knows how much oil is left, or what new extraction technologies will emerge based on rising prices. Result: The problem is all variables, no constants, and insoluble. QED: Peak Oil is BS. Charles Carreon - ashland, or - August 29th, 2:23 PM "Let's have rational debate." - Beano Webster Tarpley, "Project Democracy's Program, The Fascist Corporate State," wrote: "Fascist ideology, whatever its specific predicates, repudiates human reason and exalts irrationalism and irrationalist violence, often in the form of wanton military aggression and imperialism. A fascist mass movement is the most aggressive form of militant irrationalism. From Mussolini's Romanita through Hitler's Herrenvolk to the Great Russian master race (Cont'd) Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 3:01 PM Great Russian master race conception of "Moscow the Third Rome," fascist ideology is based on notions of racial superiority and race hatred, extreme chauvinism, and blood and soil mysticism. Fascism is neo-pagan and ferociously hostile to Augustinian Christianity, as can be shown from Mussolini's early career and from Hitler's private conversations. This same neo-paganism is perfectly expressed in the predilection of Russian totalitarianism for the Russian Orthodox Church. (Cont'd) Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 3:03 PM In the Western world, fascism can be correctly called the politics of cultural despair." IRRATIONALITY -- A SITE TO BE HOLED, by Tara Carreon http://www.american-buddha.com/mondo.asitetobeholed.htm Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 3:05 PM To Tom Lowe: Reuters, 2/3/06: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez proclaimed �socialism or death� in finishing his rousing speech to a rally of around 10,000 people at the Polihedro Stadium on January 27. The rally was a feature of the Latin American section of the Sixth World Social Forum held in Caracas on January 24-29. I dunno, maybe he was just laying out their options for them . . . whaddaya think? Rich Kline - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 4:09 PM His parents were CIA agents for real...and don't you guys know that that is a genetic deficiency? The man is so government he stinks. Andrew Ian Murphy - Venice, California - August 29th, 4:51 PM Chavez proclaimed �socialism or death� -- Rich and Tom: As often is the case, you are both right. Venezuela is a country, like most of "Old Europe," that chose a socialist economic system via the democratic process. "Socialism," while a dirty word thanks to right-wing spinmeistering, is just as hard to define as "capitalism" and "national socialism," aka "Nazi-ism." Currently, our US gov't is probably closer to national socialism than laissez faire capitalism. Charles Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 6:01 PM He's not a government agent, guys. He's not illuminati or anything similar. He's just a very sick man with insane notions concerning his place in the world. Seriously, believing you're the center of the universe, not caring anything about the people around you, will cause a person to behave in some very weird ways. ex-employee - nowhere, USA - August 29th, 7:48 PM Tara Carreon, We all know that "argumentum ad hominem" is a no-no in public debate. However, what YOU don't realize is that NO ONE will listen to someone who writes ~40 responses to ANY debate as you have done here because it simply reads as NUTS. Now step back from this situation and try to look at your own behavior rationally. You'll see that it isn't. Jon - Ashland - August 29th, 8:00 PM I mean, I don't know what a "response" is. Is it to be defined by the Ashland Daily Tidings as 1-1/2" x 5" of text? My bulletin board accommodates about 22" x 8" per response. Perhaps we should measure in minutes, instead. Shall we value free speech and allot many minutes per person, or shall we be fascists and tell everyone to shut the f_ck up? Before I hang my head and beg for psychiatric help, I'd really like to see an entry in the DSM-V that defines "nuts" as posting more than a certain Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 8:55 PM Hey, I just had a thought! Under our Constitutional right to free speech, we get to talk as much as we want! Nobody can put a limit on it. Eat your heart out, Jon! Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 9:15 PM You know, the reason for the rule against ad hominem is that people end up wasting a lot of time talking about personalities and mental capability instead of substantive issues. Ad hominem is an attack on the democratic process. We have a lot of important issues to discuss in America. We don't really have time for this childish, stupid throwing of sticks and stones. The reason I have been posting, is because no one else has anything to say! Certainly, that would include you. Tara Carreon - Ashland, OR - August 29th, 9:30 PM First: I quit reading the Tara posts a while back. Second: I believe what Michael is saying, all along....and across the board. I trust him way more than the government Third: If I could believe one neo-con, or corporate shill, I would be another typical misguided American. Seems to be allot of them too. Forth: In light of the FTW issues and topics, and the facts behind real 911 TRUTH -I can see why he may not want to stick around.I don't blame him....This country is headed downhill fast Joe Anybody - Portland Oregon - August 29th, 10:12 PM YOU don't realize is that NO ONE will listen ******* thought this was about Mike Ruppert, 911, and such ... it's so dull when posters lecture