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Director,
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Q; Dr. Henry92Hall, who testified for the Government in the
A Bremer case, brought a letter to this office, copies of which
are attached, which letter he received from Mr. John C.}De00urcy,
Attorney at Law, of St. Paul, Minnesota. Dr. Hall stated that
he has no intention of complying with the request contained in
this letter.' BREKID
Dear Sir:
It is noted that Mr. Decourcy makes several statements which
are not in accord with the facts, in an endeavor to enlist the
aid of persons in behiali of Harrygsawyer, who apparently dislikes
the idea or being transferred to Alcatraz. There was, of course,
evidence introduced showing that Sawyer "borrowed" money from
Fred Barker after the kidnaping, that the ransom was divided and
a sum set aside for Sawyer, and also that he participated in the
- conspiracy from the outset. 'ii
Sawyer has no criminal record "to speak of" as Mr. DeCou.rcy
says. After his unsuccessful start as a safe-blower in Nebraska,
"' * 5e came to St. Paul, where, according to his own testimony, he--1
5 D has never been engaged in any lawful occupation.
- ' Very truly yours,
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G. I. RSTEIN,
Special Agent in Charge.
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, .~ _> .92_Dear Sir: o - '~ .1 - 1. __
fa-_ As you undoubtedly know, Harry Sawyer has been convicted '
of conspiring to kidnap Q. E. Brenner. Be in non incarcerated in
Leaveneorth Penitiar , and he is fearful of being transferred to;_the prison at E eatraz, in California. ¢-t I; ::;1.<1-.,_ *<> _ - I »92 . »u._-' -_. .<'-..- , M . >. e
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to intercede for him to the Attorney General, or who ever is in
authority at Washington D. 0. Qongr0se_man Mane proceeded to take
the matter up with the proper authorities end has requested that if;, Le e friend in
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with request that he be not incarcerated at A_lcat1-an. _;,_->._;§f ~
offence that he was convicted of 88,111: only fault I§8 in knowing --;~¢_
the actual kidnappers, and honing associated with them. "During
his trial there lee no competent evidence to shoe that he had , :__ ._ e_
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company recently at Vincennes, Indiana; Photos or Vfilliam E l.§aad_were _ _
exhibited to him, with negative results. Hr. hiessler explained that _there'
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J? Company whose names Iwere not known at pheadquarters, as they arehired by branch
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Bank Building, 154 E. Market St., Indianapolis, Indiana, and also H, R; f.-=- ' Carlson, Manager of,the P.iF; Collier and son Co., 601 Union Title Bldg§,_;§1 155 E. Market st., Indian'apolis,' Indiana. "Z ],~ ;f-
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"either or these persons has any connection with this_case, _JQ'f'._ff@~§§i ,,'r... 1 .
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March 19, 1956
Director
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Washington, D. C-
L. A. Files 7-42 and 7-105
The Bureau by letter dated July 26, 1936, authorized the cmployment of Q as an informant in connection with the above
mentioned cases, e was specifically at that time directed to make
a trip to Oklahoma City, Kansas City and Chicago, in connection with the
Brekid case. On September 14, 1935, by teletype message, the Bureau
authorized the continuation of this informant's services at the rate of
$5.00 per day in connection with both of the above mentioned cases.
Since that time, this informant has been engaged in contacting
members of the underworld in Los Angeles and vicinity, visiting gambling
establishments, houses of prostitution, hotels of ill repute and nightclubs of the type which vould probably be visited by Wil1iam92§ainard orAlvinoiiarpis. He has furnished this office with the names an addresses
of individuals contacted, as well as the establishments visited by him,
and these are being retained in the contact file of this office.
It is my opinion that this infonnant is honest in his efforts
to secure information of value to this service, but I believe that he
has been out of contact with active members of the underworld for such
a long period of time that it would be difficult for him to again make
contacts of value. He has considerable information regarding members
of the underworld in various cities throughout the United States, and
this information has been secured fran him from time to time, and in-
corporated in investigative reports in cases of interest. I believe,
however, that the further continuation of his services at this time is
unwarranted, and recommend that the Bureau authorize the discontinuation
of his services.
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T:-us CASE ORIGINATED AT Clngi mqgtl , Oh; Q FILE No.7-392./9292__'_-!
I Louisville, r_cy._ 3/21/as92 REPORT MADE AT DATE WHEN MADE PERIOD FDR A REPORT MADE BY _k WHICH MR9 ~ I
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Liarch 17, 1956;
to Indianapolis
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- A dated March 1?,
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Co. Crowell Publishing Co. office at Nashville, _' I'I.enn., covers Evansville, Ind. Officials of - V - A» the two Publishing oompanies, Louisville, fail _; . "
to identify photog;raph_ of__Willie.m Elmer 1~Ieade_;;_;j.,;_1;;;;,>,§__1§,; my._.-_ _' ., . K<. .1 - .. ...» . _,_ ..-.,,. . ~ .}- ._ . " > .4 $ V's 92._'~_". . .. ; ' g ~
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_and Sons Publishing Co., Springfield, 0;; that this individual r33
gistered as J._§5imblack",'Evansvi1le,'iInd., checking oat of the Acme _
Hotel, Vincennes, on the 15th instant. This message also tad_visedv'."
that this man was knovm as Fer I. Jghman, and was accompanied by_ anotlierig-';
man known as Charles Levi, sellingliiagazines, perfumesand powder.' _, ,
_Also that inquiries of the Crowell Agencies in Indianapolis indicate,;1.1.,j__
that Evansville section is covered by the Crowell_0fiice _at Louisville; T
Ky., and, also advising the 'address- of P.7F._ Collier 8_='Sons Puhlishi_ng§ '~'.'-5.
Co'., at Louisville. It was requested that immediate_inq'uiries he
made at Louisville to determine the identities of Nimblack and Lebi;Y' #*?
and whether Nimblack is identical with Meade. I l ' r ~ " i:,- . . . J, : r .7 -I.bII
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Co., 304 Bres_li'n Buildixign Er. >J._ Barnes,,District lianagerk-lwasy out - -,4-1,
of the city at the time oi _Agent's visit, Mrs. Hanoi; _e.dviy4se,<1ii.,.,r}<_'..e;_~,;§_]_i
that shewas in charg'e._t' She stated that lathe Evansville, Ind.! di strict
is not covered out of Louisville, but is covered. out of the Crowell
office at Nashville, Temi., which is in charge of lir. A. J. Hunt,
510 Cotton States Building, Nashville. Mrs. Hauck advised, however,
that the Louisville Office covers E good deal of theyterritory near _ _t,_ V ,'yEv2ansvi1le, Ind; ; also that the Louisville office of the Cro_wel1,.;;':. e'.3. ~~Publishing Co._ does notfemploy arly'individuala'hy_the name of
1 Nimblack, Fer I'_. Ahinan, for Charles Levi. ,1-rs. Hauclz also advised ~
that the rules of the ooinpanywdo not permit their;representatives
B'¬'r'§§resentative's of P.:F. Collier 6:,Sons Publishing'Co.; that the > -
Crowell and Collier companies are associated, and ,do not _allow_-their" J ~
respective representatives to work outside cf_ their own winnnediate l
organization. Agent exhibiited to Mrs. Haucki a photograph of Williaznwf
Elmer Meade, after which she advised that the photographof Meade.1-, _~~'does not resemble in appearance any of the representatives ,worki.ng"-rigs: x 92
out of_ the Louisville Qiifiyce. .y,.;-,.__l ,~_,,,_.-_§_,;:_.__¢§;;___i-it _,.;_-,_,_;_-__¢ _.-4 ,_,_i_§____J_4_E; it_ __ _. - I _ . _. _ _ -i _: - ., ,, >_,- 3 ':,, _v__ _:~_,_-1". 1. - ~. 4". ' " -. ' _-... ». J» *1 '-y -~ ~- V-' r
'0. C. Cook, Lianager, P. F. Eollier Sons PublishingA lo;t?e1iice§"'2O4;1.;;,_¢;_-.2,;
ind. territory; ehgp their repégggntaeive in'Evansville} Ind; is gisyié
Lir. L.?B. Emriek, 3l'l Herndon Drive, Evansville, 'Ind.; that his org_a1i-s_;;--.'V' .,,
ization does not employ any indi__vidual_s by the names of_ J . Biznbla9k,§l_;, ;
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work for the Crowell Publi shing,Cc; Agent exhibited photograph off,-1§.,-i_:,ii-.3""-.11 111m Elmer Iieade te In». Coo1$,e.Tfi;er which he edvised that the
photograph of I-Leade has no resemblance to individuelllemployed ' **
out of the $Loui sville Office of Collier &'_aSons. Publishing vC°>.V*,:v
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On March 17, 1956, the Louisville Office directed a te1etypemesse.ge "
to the Nashville and Indianapolis Offices, advieinglof _the,sub_stancef--
of the above set out information, also advising of_the substance of ,-
the investigati on by the Indianapolis Office, as previously set out f. I;
in this report, for the benefit of the Nashvi lle Office.-5='*;"-I -Y?!e;_.,<
On the same date the Louisville 'Office _received e. telegram from tie"-»»=
Nashville Office advising that the Crow-ell Publishing Co. office at
Nashville has no representetive by the name of J; Nimblack, Fer I. Z
Ahmen, or Charles Levi, and that _the,Neshvi11e' Office of the ,Crowe'11--"f-*_,
Publishing Co., covers Evansville, Ifldo} that __Crew Manager A. Ademson, -
age 25 years, was in Evansville about a. week ago; also that Hr. A. J.L.-Q
Hunt, lisnager of the Crowell Office at Nashville, could not identify
the photograph of iieade. On the same date the Louisville Office
advised the Indianapolis Office as to the contents of the telegram
from the Nashville Office» ex, ., _ .7, ._.._.,__,,_,.,,; 1. _., ._ . , .. 9 -" I. .> . . .
With reference to ptheiequestjc ont'aine_d in preference letter frompthe
Chicnigo Office, to the Director, Agent ascertained from the Kentucky, ~1-_,*-State Board of Health, at Louisville, Ky-I that there "sire only tv_-ro_. Q
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present timefand is not attracting every large c_lientele._ The resort c
at Graham Springs, liy. is 0. ne1|r_='r'es,oz t, and possibly not entirely . '
plated at this time1'3»_-Investlgation will be conducted by this Offisel; ;_
at the Dawson_Springs, end Greham Springs reso_x;ts' es requested in" '7" -
reference §",_: 'k .'-_E.'w--_~!.*'i-3', V is I"92-.1 -, , <
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advised in the event CAMPBELL appears at the resorts for treatment.
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Four letters and one post card written by 1o_e__ 2._ Adams to Duke Randall, together with two envelopes
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Randall, the contents of these envelopes having
been previously forwarded to the Bureau for hand-
writing comparisons, under date of April 19, 1935.
Receipt of thgféutton Jewelry Go. dated Dec. 22,
1934. '1 Z ' "
Receipt of the<Ingar Buick Company dated Dec. 22,
1934, showing purchase of a Buick Coupe by Leroy
Morrison.
1935 Florida Registration No. 38656 for!/Fo_rd_ _C_oup_e
Iviotor #18-iosvieeo, in the name oi Duke Randall."
Business card of Miller V. Bishop, of the Ungar
Buick Company.
1935 Florida Certificate of Title No. 952564 for
5,!" 7<'Ford Sedan, Motor #18-J,19q'?02, in the name of
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1935 Florida Registration Card for car described
in above item in name of G. F. summers, Box 738,
Gainesville, Florida.
Receipt of/Shaw 8: Keeter Motor Company. 1310.,
Gainesville, Fla., dated November 16, 1934, show-
ing purchase of above described Ford Sedan by G:
F. Summers, Miami, Florida.
ber 31, 1934, directed to Duke Randall, at Jackson
ville Airport, signed "Joe", which contains thelO.{,/ Telegram of Postal Telegraph Company dated Decem-
92fo1lowing language:
11."Use own judgment the quickest way"
Memorandum of expenses incurred by Duke Randall
to Etowah, Tennessee, which is on stationery of
the Dinkler Hotels, and shows expenditures of
$195.30.
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ment of $20.00 by 111'. _C. Blackburn, Oklawaha, F1a.,
for a deer head mounting, to be sent to Joe Adams,
Kl Comodoro Hotel, Miami, Fla.
With reference o the first item contained in the Bureau let-
tar, which is origin lease on_the Thomas home executed by Dolores
92Delaney, as Mrs. s. A. Green, you are advised that this will be for-
warded to the Bureau as soon as it can be obtained from the United
States Attorney at Miami, Florida.
With reference to the last paragraph of the Bureau letter,
you are advised that the signed statements of Harry R1, Cook, Frank
and R0!/Arp were turned over to the Unit ed States Attorney .
by special Agent in Charge Hanson on April 15, 1935. These
being obtained and will be forwarded to the Bureau at the
possible date.at Miami
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earliest
With reference to the telegram forwarded by Dulce Randall from
Jacksonville, Florida, to Joe Adams at Miami on December 51, 1934, which
is referred to on page 61 of the report of Special Agent in Charge Han-
son, dated February 20, 1955, you are advised that appropriate inquir-
ies have been made through the Managers of both telegraph companies in
Jacksonville, who have advised that all telegrams are destroyed aft_er
tmte months and, consequently, no available record could be obtained
concerning this particular telegram.
With reference to Item No. 8, shown on page 46 of the report
of Agent Hanson dated February 20, 1935, which is 1935 Florida Certifi-
cate of Title No. 950615A for Ford Coupe, Motor #18-1037480, you are
advised that the files in this office reflect that this certificate of
title was forwarded to the Commissioner of Motor Vehicles at Tallahassee,
Florida, and a new certificate of title, No. 985715, was issued in the
name of the Federal Bureau of ]'nv_estigation for this car. This new _
certificate of title was subsequently forwarded by the Jacksonville Of-fice to Henry92Ste:m Duke Randall! at the El comodoro Hotel, Miami,
Florida, on December 5, 1955. It will be recalled that this car was
returned to Randall under Bureau instructions. The Certificate of TitleNo. 950615;. referred to Ila the Bureau letter is, consequently, now in
the possession of B. 1|. Liizell, Commissioner of Motor Vehicles, T9115-
hassee, Florida, and can be produced by him if necessary.
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in an effort to determine the present whereabouts of Mary Irene Billie!
Koreen, and appropriate leads will be set out for other offices to de-
_termine her location, if necessary.
Inquiries will also be made at Miami in an effort to trace
the telegram sent by Joe Adams to Blackburn from.Miami to Oklawaha,
Florida. However, it is probable that it will be found that this
te1egram.has also been destroyed by the Telegraph Company.
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FUGITIVE, I. 8. No. 1213; et al. §_C pED?!-RD GEORGE BREIJER -"VICTIM. '° ~'KIDN;b_.?ING. "1r.T::::y..,,_ __
oon information furnished by Edihentg, Mr. Connelley, U1.
under date of March 21, 1936, advised thethe was following
the most recent outline of travel as indicate" by Bentz, who
is apparently selecting towns from the map , ch he is
viewing in an effort to definitely fix th hide-out
Karois, which he has indicated is locate in Indiana.
states that the information so far furnishedT8-
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however, is being continued. V"
With reference to the surveillance being maintained
Oklahoma, on the residence of George§Campbell, the
Harry, investigation discloses that @:_Ej§§mer§pn,
who resides at 805 South Rockford Avenue, is a reliable person.
I "r good view of the Campbell house can be maintained from this_i
and space has been rented which is now available for
A a proper surveillance on the home of George Campbell.Ir
iWith reference to the developments at Toledo,
Cleveland, and Chicago, the Bureau has been advised under date
of March 21, 1936, by Mr. Connelley, that in connection with the
particular activities at Toledo, it appears that the Toledo
Police Department is closing down gambling and prostitution
houses at the present time. This, of course, will make the
_ town "hot" for some time. Art92Hebebrand has opened a new
gambling joint at Cleveland and is dding considerably well.
Mr. Connelley intends to proceed to Cleveland this week, where
he contemplates questioning Hebebrand further in an effort to
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At Chicago the situation with reference to the sur-veillance being maintained on the home of John¥Karpavicg, father
of Alvin, it appears that the family have 56 information concerning
Alvin, but Mrs. Karpavicz from time to time indicates that she
might be expecting the subject to appear and make some contact
with her. T is matter, of course, is receiving close attention.
At the present time efforts are being made at Chicago to
effect a proper location for the maintenance of a telephone tap
on the place of business of J'o5Be1jgXl__at Cicero, Illinois, who
operates thehicergughgyrglet Salesgpmpanv at 5342 Cermak
Road, Cicero, and who is an alleged contact of Karpis. Information
indicates that he supplies automobiles to wellknown hoodlums
in Chicago and vicinity. He is known to have furnished bothstock and armored cars to members of theharker-Karpis gang.
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March so, 1936.
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' Dear Sir:
I In connection with my interview with EDWARD WHHEIM
92 ENTZ at New York City on March l6, 1936, after considerable persu-
asion he elaborated somewhat upon the statement he had previously
made to Agents Jones and Bannister,as to the possible location of
Alvin Karpis, this statement being nads after he »h'ad allegedly madea full confession concerning the robbery of th2l$1iliford,Pemsy1vania »
First National Bank, involving tour other subj cts withhimsel£ in 'm.,__
_ Bentz advised that during the last part oi October, 1935
he had in mind pulling a big bank robbery in the northeastern part
of the United States, and for that reason he wanted to take with him
some tough reliable bank robbers, and had in mind to solicit the aid
of Alvin Karpis on this job. With this idea in mind he called upon
one;%oe, who apparently runs the/Square Deal garage on 22nd Street
1 in O1cero,Illinois, this Joe being Polish, about 40 years or age,
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cars since about 1950. He contacted Ice and requested that he getin touch with Jojergl, as to seeing him Bentz!, and .Toe am go
to the place of e Bergl about one and one halt squares from the -
Square Deal Garage on 22nd Street in Cicero. Bentz states that Joe
returned and advised him that Bergl would meet him; that he there-
after met Berg]. on the street across from Bergl's place oi business,
at about ll A.M. on that particular day; that he advised Bergl he
wished to contact Alvin Karpis; that Bergl advised him to see him
again at 5 P.M. that day, which he did,and at this time Bergl advis-
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that thereafter, about 5.50 P.M. on this same day be Bentz! drove to
this point in Indiana and contacted Alvin Karpis, who was driving as
he believes either a Dodge or Buick automobile, he believes probably
it was a Buick; that it was a town brougham type or Buick and bore
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and Karpis advised him that he did not care to go in on any jobs that
year for the reason that he believed he was "too hot" to appear in
public at that time; that however, he would be interested during the
coming year, which would be the present year, Bentz explaining that
the bank robbing season generally opens about May and continues
through the sunmer as long as the roads are in good condition tor a
getaway.
Bentz advised he has known Karpis for a considerable per-
iod of time; that in his conversation with Karpis on this day Karpis
indicated he had spent about $20,000 providing for his safety at the
hideout. Bentz advised that he had known Karpis since about 1951 to
date; that he went around with him particularly during 1935 at which
time the various members of the gang, including William JOHarrison,
were hanging out at the Hollywood Cate in Cicero, and at the place orHarrison in Calmet ity,I1linois; that Karpis and no1araa{sé1aaay,arat least the woman believes to have been Dolores, .wene iv-ring in
Long Beach,Indiana n Lake ichign in 1933, and at this time he
handled $25,000 i _ibe_rty _ onds for Karpis, which he sold and return-
ed $20,000 to Karpis; the xa£p15"at"aat time knew where he was liv-
ing and he knew where Karpis was liv ng; that he believed these bonds
came from some Job in Oklahoma. Be t advised that he understands
Karpis was in on the bank robbery _' eloit, Wisconsin in the tall of
l§3_I_5; that Doc'Barker, Fred Berke , iiilliamweaveriand Harry Sawyer
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he Karpis! indicated he was living at this hideout with a girl known
as Betty; that he Bentz! took it tor granted that this referred to
ona46_e__t_ty, e nigzt club entertainer who was previously around Michigan
Oity, in 1933, being about 29 years of age, weight 154 pounds, dark
heir, height about 5 feet 6 inches. Bentz advised he would describe
Karpis as being about 5 feet 9 inches in height, and weighing 1'70
pounds. He picked out as the best picture or Karpis, the front view
of picture number 8008, Tulsa, Oklahom Police Department. He indica-
ted that Karpis now wears rimless octagon glasses but he does not be-
lieve he needs these glasses; that Karpis is very nervous and shitty,
and apparently was afraid or every car which came down the road while
they were talking. Bentz advised he asked Karpis where he was staying,
and while Karpis did not tell him where the place was located, appar-
ently intentionally avoiding this, he did describe the place, saying
that no one could get within one quarter of a mile of same without the
occupants oi the house knowing it; that this place is located about
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one mile from the road, in the ce er or a large property; that there
is another house on the road whic acts as a lookout; that a road
connects these two houses;this ad passing the house as one goes
in is the only road by which th deout house can be reached; that
he believes that the first hous on the principal road has a tele-
phone; that he believes the two houses are connected by some tele-
phone comunication; that from Karpis' conversation, it is possible
that the road leading to this place is mined with nitro glycerine, as
well as the surrounding territory, in orderto blowupanyone who might
try to take hum. Bentz advised that his deductions from what Karpie
told him indicate that this is a hideout house located about nine
miles southeast or the place where he contacted Ksrpis on the road,
which was formerly used as a hideout, and the two houses at that time
were occupied by two brothers; that about four years ago he Bentz!
and some others stopped off at this hideout after a job, but that he
stayed there only for about one hour; that he has not seen the place
since that time. -
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his meeting place with Karpis s being at apoint 6h a dirt or sand
road about two miles east of yhe Village, which is located on Highway
41, this being a sand road adin§"§¬hth from Highway 10, this road
being the so-called "burying grounds" where these parties from time totime would hide out the loot take?in various robberies until they
could handle it. He then desi ted a point to the southeast or thisspot,about three miles south g§;;air_9aks, Fair Oaks being locatedabout five miles to the east Highway 55 in Ind_i_a,,n5, and the road
upon which the supposed hideout is located was d§§ignated by Bentz as
being a road running south from Highway 10 through Pembroke, Kents,
and Mount 1170 The hideout he indicated as approximately to the west
or a small town known as Parr, this being the supposed location or the
two houses in question. '
Bentz further stated that there is q!g_§hgpAwhich
handles guns, shotguns and mum ition, being e, can otjice in about
the l§QO block gn_Broadway i ry,Indiana, through which possibly
hoodlums make contacts from" ""totime, and in the pest he has pur-
chased smunition from this place and he knows that the fellows some-
times would meet through this place. He also indicated that in Indiana
Harbor,Indiana one Buddyybheets would be a possible contact, as Sheets,
who is a bookmsk , knew Willianlerrison very well. Bentz also indi-cated that Iackrziberty was s contact tn Ghicago, Liberty or course
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in 1935 with asecret compartment in the right hand front side, oper-
ated by dialing the dial of the radio to open, in which he kept two
guns; t t these automobiles were possibly furnished by Galicheo and
Manno, although he did not know this positively. He advised that it
is a ery easy proposition to obtain nitro glycerine by purchasing
1'or~ tro glyoerine located at a point south of "Q1119; Illinoisesame rem certain Government employees at the Go érnment repository
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main highway toward Chicago, on the right hand side»
Bentz indicated he did not know Bebe Moran or Slim Gray;
that however he occasionally saw Harry Sawyer at Willie Harrison'splace in Calumet City, althougz he Bentz! idgnable to identify a pic-
ture oi Harry Sawyer. He indicated he could ct identify the picture
of Fred Barker, Volney Davis or William Weaver. He identified a pic-ture ot Charles I,/Fitzgerald as beingjhig Fitz, with whom he had
Ifulfed a bank robbery in 1931. He stated that due to the fact that"
the Statute oi Limitations had not run on this job, he would not tell
us what k this was. Bentz indicated he had been introduced to Karpisby Chuelsgiisher, nos serving time in avenworth Penitentiary; thatother pert ies he had seen around the,/1?ia,g pputchgpan were Homer Jxlfilson,Big _r1zz,Aup1ey, Eddie!Do1l and Guszéhaly as indicated he new Ber-
nardfrhillips, stating he had heard e we deed. However he could not
identity a picture of Phillips. Bentz advised that his Bentz'! pic-
ture at one time appeared in the True Detective magazine as a bank -
robber, and that thereafter he purchased all oi the copies of this meg-
azine on the news stands within peverel squares of the place where he
was_1iving.
He further stated that he previously had obtained two
machine guns from Joe Bergl; that in 1934 they were charging $300.00
each tor these; that Harrison also furnished machine guns to various
men at one time; that!!1ehman oi San Antonio also furnished machine guns
to gangsters; that he believed they were supposed to ship these guns
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United States and sold to gangsters, although he could not furnish any
detailed info mation. He advised he bought two guns from Lehman in
1932; that these were the old type guns without the safety; that he
understood some unknown Indiana State patrolman was furnishing Harri-
son with the guns Harrison was selling. H also indicated as a placewhere subjects previously had hungout the}/glue Moon cabaret on theroad to South Bend, Indiana.
On March 18, 1956 together with Special Agent D. P.
Sullivan a careful examination was mde oi all the roads in the vicin-
ity or the places designated by Bent: in Indiana, but we were unable
to locate any such place as described by him, and in tact at the
point indicated, as per check or numerous other roads in the vicinity,
no two houses could be located situated as described by Bentz. The
New York office has been requested to interview him further, and ii
possible secure more detailed information as to the location of the
supposed hideout, as the average road map examined by us is at con-
siderable variance with the actual roads in the vicinity or the place
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