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GOLD advised that at about this time, he had givennearly all of the material at Pennsylvania Sugar in which the Russians _.would be interested, and STEVE began pressing him to obtain more recruits
and to give more information.Therefore, in late l937 or early 1938 at a Saturdwafternoon meeting in New York City, STEVE introduced GOLD to his next _Russian contact whom he knew only as FRED. -
GOLD stated that on this Saturday afternoon, he metSTEVE at a meeting previously arranged and they went to a restaurant on upper Broadway in the 80's. GOLD could not recall the exact location 'of the restaurant, but was er the opinion that it was a chain restaurantsuch as Rudleys. While they were seated in the restaurant, STEVE asked _GOLD to wait a moment and he left the restaurant, but returned in about" /five minutes. GOLD was under the impression that STEVE made a telephonecall. About five minutes after STEVE returned, a man entered the res-taurant a.nd was introduced to GOLD as FRED. Just before FRED approachedthem, STEVE asked GOLD to give the sign of recognition which GOLD did.GOLD stated he could not recaJ.'L whet the sign of recognition was u.nle_e _it was merely to nod or smile at the man.
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' ' ' GOLD said that after association with FRED, hecame to the conclusion that the reason STEVE turned him over to FREDwas that GOLD was not producing very much information, and since FREDwas what GOLD described as a "tough guy", he thought that perhaps theRussians were of the opinion FRED could get GOLD to do more.
' S1'EVEleftthemandGOI.Dand1-RIllthenmadear- ~_rangements for a subsequent meeting, and during GOLD's association withFRED, each meeting was arranged in the future on a specific date withan alternate meeting provided for. Each meeting was a definite datesuch as June l8, together with the details, and never was arranged suchas the third Friday in June, or the like. ' "
GOLD described FRED as a "strict disciplinarian"who "lived by the book". when asked to enlarge upon this, GOLD saidthat FRED was more insistent upon GOLD's being careful when meeting himthan axw of his Russian contacts. GOLD was of the opinion that it wasFRED who told him that if he wanted to check and see if he were beingfollowed, to stop and tie his shoelace, or walk up deserted side streets.FRED also advised him that any time GOLD had to tear up a piece of p&p0P--- -which had some connection with his activity with the Russians, it shouldbe torn up in very small pieces and each piece dropped in a separateblock while GOLD was walking down the treat.In addition, GOLD said that FRED was constantlysuggesting that he obtain more information, and when GOLD stated thatPennsylvania Sugar had very few possibilities left, FRED insisted thatGOLD obtain a position with the Government and GOLD distinctly recallsthe suggestion that he obtain employment at the Philadelphia Navy Yard.GOLD said he never did this and during his entire association with -FRED, he merely supplied FRED with "odds and ends" relative to chemicalprocesses obtained from the Pennsylvania Sugar Comparq. .
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-' * ~ GOLD said that FRED gave him instructions on howto wrap information which was to be turned over to FRED by GOLD. GOLD " 'stated that FRED told him to put the paper containing the informationH11 ian contact,between the folds of newspapers and when the two met the esnews per but with nothing in it, would exchangewho was also carrying a pa papers with GOLD. FRED also sud that if the information were sobullq that the use of a wrapper was necessitated, it should be wrapped
in plain brown paper.In this regard GOLD stated although he had notdefinitely attributed it to FRED, he was given instructions that heshouJ.d never wear anything with any initial on it such as a tie clasp,belt buckle, or the like, or wear any ring with an unusual design, orwsar anything which might attract the attention of someone who might
be looking at GOLD._ GOLD said that he did not have very many meetingswith FRED and GOLD tried to arrange them as infrequently as possible, th more frequently. GOLD stated thatwhereas FRED would try to arrange em he met FRED once in Philadelphia but the remainder of the meetings werein New I rk City. GOLD could not recaJJ. the details of the meeting inPhiladelhia, and only the barest recollection of the meetings in New
York City-A GOLD said that on one occasion FRE offered him $$O____which was refused. GOLD said that he was very short at the time and .actually he considered taking it for a brief moment because he did notPhiladel hia. At theknow whether he had enough money to get back to pwith FRED GOLD said that FRED was very ingratiatingfollowing meeting , and told GOLD that he should reconsider the offer of money. FRED told -cord that money had previously been offeredGOLD that "they" had it on re _to GOLD but it had been refused. GOLD advised FRED that his expenseswere very-inconsequential inasmuch as the train fare from Philadelphiato New York was only about $1.50 or $1.75 and further, that he never hadaccepted money from his previous contacts and therefore he did not want
to start. J .GOLD recalled another meeting with'FR.ED along 5thh with FRED a very short 'Avenue in the 90's. He recalled that e was f tim but that FRED had stated that he had somewhere else to Ea
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GOLD said that he definitely formed the opinionthat FRED was handling other agents inasnmch as he stated several timesto GOLD that he had someone else to see or somewhere else to go.
GOLD stated that his last meeting with FRED wasin the late summer or early fall just before his enrollment at XavierUniversity. GOLD said that he got on a train at 30th Street Stationin Philadelphia to go to New York to keep his appointment with FEE,at which time GOLD had definitely decided he was going to Cincinnatito enroll in Xavier. GOLD said that he obtained a seat in a non-smokingcoach and was walking through the train shortly after it lett the stationto go to the smoker and saw FRED sitting on the train. Their eyes metbut FRED looked away and GOLD continued walking to the smoking car wherehe said he either put a newspaper or his hat in a seat and than decidedto turn around and go back to see FRED. GOLD stated that he went backto where he had seen FRED but the latter was gone and GOLD saw him no-where on the train. GOLD stated he is pretty definite that this train
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V GOLD stated that for a brief instant when their eyesmet, FRED gave the appearance of being "scared to death". _
On arriving in New York, GOLD went to the appointedspot. GOLD could not recall where this meeting took place but recalledthat it was raining and he kept looking for FRED who usually were atrench-type rain coat. GOLD said that FRED showed up about Q hour lateand it was GOLD's opinion that FRED had been thinking about whether heshould see GOLD on this occasion or not. GOLD stated that when FREDcams up he glared at GOLD for a few moments and when GOLD started to . _mention the train incident, FRED immediately brushed him off and saidthat he had other things to talk about, giving GOLD the definite im-_ ,pression that FRED did not want to mention the train incident. _ ',
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had not been in this country very long' Washington on basis of train trip! orNew York--in GOLD's opinion 'Residence
GOLD has been shown numerous photographs of suspectedSoviet agents as well as photographs of Russian Nationals previously inthis country. GOLD has thus far singled out two pictures of individualswhom he states somewhat resembled FRED. These individuals, both RussianNationals, are MICHEL D.j iU92P1EL'I2.EFF and JOSEPIQQSURDI this name hassometimes been written as"[SURIN!. _ p - _
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Lwemointhe 1015, andwe uznediltelyturnedintocneofthedsrkdeserted side stnets tarud Sth, and the transter of Lnformtion tookplace there. The whole affair took possibly 30 seconds er one minute»and I innediltelqwalkedeneed of IGAUS and down 5th Avenue tenrd 511-hStreet me ea: Awem-10, where apprall-tel! 15 minutes tuner I turnedaver the Lntomstioa to JOHN. Here again the meeting was of the briefest
pOS81b1B duration, possibly e nmmte or so. _ '
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concourse near Fcrdham Road, but not quite that fer.
We went for e walk partly along the Grand Gcncourse, but
usually on the side streetslxrl-ring w,1i.ch time we discussed the nextneetingwhichwas tobe at Q,-ueenl, and etwhieha second transfer of-
1.n.forn'|s.ticn was to take place, and the exnct details were erranged.
After this I took ELAUS to dinner, it was e wet end somslhlt eh:|.lJ.ed;_ '.
night for April, and as I recall, he had a bad cough, and I did not-
wish to expose him to the elements any more than was necessary. This
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theidoauasthatuuhadhadadjaccntaoatsarrihadtalked-together1i:_the 1O92J't11_duri-N; the intazni-Baton. mo, there wan the idea um. atasubsequont timaiwomdgotoze les ofaeatofxpapcr, metmm the new m-1: om, an 1 believe 1 mentioned w paper no mus,and w.-wold look up tho data of such a ccncert. hsmdwul dd-emim whatmudbc:-s or rnmt nusicnl selections had been on the program. I rrouldthan ;;i.'¢c '.'IL'.*.' "- a list oi the :1usic.:;'.l. sclcciiorxs so .121 we r:o'.11:. -.uot.11be I.'3j,1iB-Z- rritlx the progz-an were '-':c qu0Sbior1tNl- T110 rcsta-urs:}c._ _which I took EIATI5 to dimer was called P.osunhei.n'a, and is addaccnf- 'to A1,97an815 g¢pnrh=92m'lf- Store at Fordlzaxa Road and tho Grand Go:92¢mn'sq,_After we had dinmr and merged from I1ose:1oin'a-tlwioaithor was stillw.n..mstar--I meal-1 acold drizzle was fallingial-iébgftacab andwcntdorm'..a.'.n to the noigghbocfnood oi the 80's Liadison Avome. '1'h.creis acne possibility that it any have been tho 93's ard Imdne-onIwonue. e wont into a mall bar which also contained tables, and _oa'babone0fthe$ctab1o9andh2.d5cvBra1dr1n1£8¢ Y-'e'c.h¢m1e£t»tho Aba.rm1d_IputKIJ92USinacab. Inarrcoallthatthereasownforilu _the cab -.::-.5 timat he 'J_£:.rc<1 on ohc othcr side of ?.i::.rlmt'c.an, en} H4'Y-larry Goid - '
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until an empty cab cane along-, and too}: this to the PezmsylvcniaStationandthenteokt11aneJCb_tra1.ntoPhil8¢92elphi.a. ,, , e .rmh with mess °;' he 11; , not_ __ . v_-_.-. ¢ - -._ __i I. _event clearly becallifé 1 gm. lost id thelmeighborhood oi 'du'eens' Plaza _ -
andhadtetalmseab£oradistaneeofaboutaha1.fami1ounti1Icame to the spot '1 had indicated to KLAUS FUCHS. I was possibly tieor three minutes late; he was already there. rm this occasion FUCHS _gave me the second packet oi i:iforn:.stion,"i:_-aiJ1 consisting of some 25 --
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due to the fact that the entire elm was heavily overcast.. The sixth meeting with KI-M35 FUGKIS occurred in Brooklyn, anditlrsso-.:ewhereint'haareao1'Boro!IaJ1 is1rasinJune hh .3 r. '32.. .I.1
-=" ' f. nu:-indglthis meeting -I recall that I._$US FUQE5-'tof|A me that '_;-.-.
there was sclae poasihilitjy that his sister who livedlin Cambridge, ' . .: ,Lassachusetts, he am not give me her ns-11¢! hzever. might =01!» tohe--: York. He explained to no that his sister was married. and had two
chilclren, and that she was great diffieziltjr with her husband
and that she was fully intending to leave her husband and com: to New ..York. Should this occur, ICLAUS told. me that he would like very mach tohe able to share an apartment with his sister. I gathered that hehis sister were very close to each other and also tho'fact:'that KLMB "
. gu-was extremely fond off;:_Jn%dren. KULU5 told me that he brought up the
matter because he first wanted no to inquire of my superior whethersuch an action vrould be all right. I said that I would make the inquiry.
This conversation took place while we were walking array fronhoro Hal]-_and further into Brook-_1.yn. I reca1l_o1ea.r1y that after this meeting I
met JOHN, on the very same evening. The meeting with YILAUS took place _ u Harry Goidf '_92 UT311 FEB * - '2-10-so _ _
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transfer of information. _ -The seventh meeting with IZIAUS FUCHS occurred in either verylate June, but most likely in earl;- JuJ.:,' of. 1.9!;l:. '1'hi:; too; place ne.-:1-an Art liar-e'.1n in the £lG's, 2.2;-. on the Lest side of Eth B.vc2.ue. liewent for a long walk, almost entirely in Central Park and in the mansmom roads and s:m.el1 paths through the park itself. Thi-8meeting took at least hour and a half and was a very 1_.eisu.re".1-3' on&:o'"' _it Durim this '§:a.1.k KI.-RUG told me that there was same possibilityin-the ne;:t year, who would be transferred somwhere to the South-west. He ti-.o~.g'nt that possibly this would be liexieo. He a1B0 told me ' Y at this time that his brother, ezsmrm, was new in emooriond and waseonvaleseing as e result oflthaving been reeentlv released from at _ .Genmn concentration ea::p. I getheped £1-cm the conversation that C1_'r,T-Hit?!!
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self to tell YEAH; that such {proceeding was 0.K.
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Street end possibly sozrewrhat abovo 96*-he " 'oh the Second occasion I beeer-e very worried, pa.rticular'JUsince the ares. is very close to a section oi EIe':r lurk where "m.1g§_'in;_;;:"often occur, and also the fact that F.L.'CJS was oi slight build. mi;-;ht_ _seem an inviting prey. I would like to emphasize neither the meet-»_ . ._ 1 _ _ ,. ..ing at the Bell Cinema in Brooklyn, nor the ens. mi Central Park 92'¢'est,_;-_-_-- ,- » . - . __ I .about 96th Street, occurred because oi the fact that ELAU31-"JOKES did
not show up - - I was there on both occasions,'.'.'hen I reported the feet of the second u:nsuccess1uJ. attezxptwith KIAZS TJCIB to JOHN, we held a very long discussion lasting possiblytwo hours, in which we speculated upeo just_1rh&b the difficulty might "._ . .-92_ .be. Our principal trouble was to decide irhcther EIAUS, for some reasop - , 4 _0
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I_beli.mre, ve.ry_late August oi l9hh_,_t}_1e? 1'_ollowi.ng_ events occurred; _-1 -I " ¢' -- ~ "92-:. " > ..;.~ -'.- '3 " - 1111-=.1=.92¢-=-=*-111: W-1_= P1-we on a vw =ar1:r§92=n_d=w ' . ' " . 1' .' *' ' ' . . ~ " - I » -.- ctwould about EJQO 9% b"¢-=1-M11. mil 1:} eeeurrcd _1nTier Yecffftu this time be.hed'_aseerta:Ln' H ed'the_ l
of KLMI5 FUGEES, and that I should, that very morning, make inquiry at
that address as to whether KIAUS was there. Toward this exli I went some
distance up term and in one oi the railroad stations I purchased a bookeaJled:»J.g3EP!i"E PRDVIDEI1" which had recent1;r_b_een published and had
been mitten by Tzzoms mm. On the m.-§1<'1_e eover of this boot: 1_ printed
very legib the 1'o1T'..orring;, zz. FIEIJFB, 123 Tie st 271.11 so-99+.-,' New York,ET.Y,"A It ..'a5 t1is 1:-J01: at I tool: with rrc to the address given. I
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white stone and looked nwer and better kept than the other buildings
on the sane block. It was, as I recall, about a £o~.m-etorgr-dwelling,uded as an 8.pa.I!'JIK2Ilt house. This building was an the South side of zi~.6"'Street. I looked aroond outeicie tbe b11.1.lc1*_rié,', ;.Jr.%dosm a'very short '
flight of steps, and just to the side of the door leading into the
118.b111].ding':_.'-'a.S an old man when I took to be a. janitor; he was h:m.dJ.1.n3
so:-:.e rubbidm from the apartment house. I believe that I made an i.nqu.1.'|.1of him as to whether mus zmcns lived tliere, but he appeared so:m':hs.t'
puszled by qr question. -I then opened the door and went into the vesti-
bole. There my have been a very short flight of steps leading up to-__
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I pressed the buzzer, but_'the:"e1_rra.s no ansr-fer, and I 0pmo%th9
door leading rm vest1hu1_I_.e into t.1i,-qjrras unloclsedr . ;._._ ,_ - _-__. _- ,1 -- -- -. ,_ - -1.. - _ 4-9 ----_ - ' -I , ..- . _ -.. .... -. .- . _. ; -.5,1 -mt mus the min mu, aloné the rum. .oor','1ooking 'm- the -- -. '_ I :'- »_ ._'_'n|ent__which; as I_rcca11 given aicngaide the nanopllatea being I
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tralkcd. along the vestibule a door opened, either in the very apartznont
where ICLAUS was supposed to live or possibly in the one alongside it,
and ar{o1d1ro_ee.n1ooked out. Alsoat that time thereeamebehindmethe
janitor._ I asked the woman for the apartment oi Dr. FUCHS, and at this
time the Janitor joined in the conversation, I can not reeall clearly
whether it was he or she who told zne that Dr. FYJCER was no 1on;¬°1 There.
On :.u;'t11rt:* q.ICS.l0!1i.ng, 1-'I1cn I asked how I could get in touch with 311:3,
they said that they did ncgii that I could; that he had loft town
1or'sone92-rhere on a'_boa.t, I then explained to then that I was a friend.
01' m-. FUCHS and that I had rarely wanted to nature this book: ihich ho
had loaned to ne. I did not deem it wise to make .-my nuthér inquiries
at 123 Tfest 711.11 Street, but 1 do recall the janitor and the
I believe was his wife, talking as I left.
Later that morning, and somewhere between 10:03 and 11:00
o'clock, possibly closer to 11:00, I net JOHN on Broadway, so-..e:rhere _' _
around 96th and Broad11ay,and possibly ifuzther up on Broadway and very
close to Columbia University. I told JOHN about the results of w' '- _-
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I:be1iev'e'thst_our conclusion was that a nd.ghtbgtc01-we ta'it'ini&t- mete 111' new-d"' 7' __t1oi_'on 'n'1_.tos"",m-t_ ' ~ -- " ' -' .- i:authorities, who were very likely censoring all mail. 1'-_£te1 sane Vfurther discussion the only conclusion we could cine to, dytho advice .u 7 - 'which JOHN gave nuofra to sit tiitt ' ' lcm the occasion oi e subsequent meeting in earl; soptenber oi, -. .-',e ';. » -.-_ A '-. _" - -- _.19111, we age-in discussed at length the matter of getting in touch with _YJLAUS FUCHS, and it was there, I believe, that I mentioned the fact thatFJCIZ3 had a. sister who lived. in Boston. New it may be possible that5:-,j,;f ;;j__-_1__-3-311' ;-mt 5;-..-¢ brougizt up the no.t*..e:- of ?T3C'~.!:Z's sister. I believe
this letter to be true, since I had not prewriously mentioned a.n;,-t;;i_ngabout '£UCEIS's sister to JOTIII. In am event, JOKE! told me that he thought
that thcre_la;7 our best line of inqui17. - ' :1 _ -_ ._ On the occasion of the next meeting, about the n'!.d<1lo ofSeptember, JOHN told me with great glee that he had ascertained both_ Ithe name and the whereabouts oi 1~ JC':£5's sister. The name that he gaveme was that of Hrs. F.0B':..'tT FEI!U"..'I'.Zl1I , and the address was merely Canbridggiiaesachusetts. I do not recall J01!!! having given me the street and __. v I: I. n - rrmber, _ ' _ i H " _ _,
. I went by coach on e Sunday in very Late September to Bostm, _I.'s.;=::|o.chusct1;~s. I arrived there very early in +110 eve.-1ir.g,,*_=1_r; mcgJ.l _'l'o'0ké-At1; if! the of.-_'-.rc:r1 in the telc;:':1cne This t _,-r=-' ""'_"- I __ s 14- 'Ha1'11,r Gold
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_ wnameanda.dc1resa,b|1tIthi:1kthat Imre1yuaidthatIwouldcallagain sometime in dctober and that the matter was not very e_. __Igaveno1.ndieationthatIwn.a£ranouto£towm_~'- _ _ r. .- l l First I returned. from Boston to then eevernl =1 A :21¢-we nae: I met JOHN in New york and told him about we results of W trip. He was highly pleased that we had aucceef:1ed._ in locating Hrs,111"-IIIET: .121, and we arr» ed that in October I would take another trip to
C F.;L'§i_:I"i.C.[,O QThis second trip to aibridge occurred in either very lateOctober, htziuost li.kely$'e'::r1y _No:¢e1:ber.- Upon this occasim I took withme 'a piece of paper ox-"a earq inclosed in an emelcplyarngi en this piece . I I V ' - - E 0 . _ ' _- -of paper were -the £01.10:-ring : Then: was given the name ofa mn and a phone number, I believe that the first name began with a"J" and that the last name was something like "KiPLOU'H," but I am netverjr certain on this point at all. A180 on the piece of paper wasthe informetion that KIAU5 was to ca'1J._ the phone number givcn,amr t£m_e- ' _-- 92 7 : ,' -. . , on any morning between the hours of 8:00 and 8130, and was to give thefollowing message: lierely to say, "I have arrived in cambrisige and willmrry com _3l~ _. -Tsu msa 7-10-so s a
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non:-em rmnrmm was there. The trip took place as x have indicated,
and as it was _pl.s.nned. I esrived in Bostorxwon a weekday mo;-_-hing early _ -_-in Havana-,-er," 1 theft 1rei92t_d1met1y to _hCa::br1dge, eee at mu Lakevielr _
» Avenue, walked up to the dooi and rang the bell. A young wcm-I1 &PPe&1°desomewhere in her very early 30's, and I asked for 1!;-s. !-'L*.l'!$.YI-.!I. Shesaid th:-.t she was llrs. 51¬II. :;.'.fI. l told 11-er Feet I was ta. friend of
3*JCEE:'3, and for :1 :':.s.':.ent she seemed SOIlC'-f:lf.'C puzzled, anc. "the.-1 she said,"Oh, yes, by chance did you scxzrctixne L1 Septcnber when we were A .a.-sq?" I ssid "Yes, _I_a::1 the nan. I entered the house and stayed therefor possibly an hour. 1 noticed that there were two eézildrcn there, -
the oldest one a boy called STEVE, and I reeelli very small child, and4 u- -4-.-.Gq._&nsb%"-there is also some possibility-Au t.;1rd child, considerablyyounger than f3'1';;'-E, whom I took to be about seven years of ago, and this
mm child was a 51.:-1 of aboutfoure -Te spoke for some time about mans,and lira. 11'bIXIE"..~.A1E seid that she was very glad that he was new in the UnitedaStates, since they were very close and KIJPJJS was very fond of the c!1i.].dr_en.
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¢¢1tair¥behcneabo.1tc11ris!m8,as1nusua113'mdeag;'eatevento£- bringimpresents £ortheemJ.drono Itoldheematwplansrortlme L.' mture and my whereabouts were very uncertain, and in that eventxmlitar _I would leave n message for YJNJ3 which would tell him h'::r beat to getin touch with m. I then gave her the so.-loci envelope, and told he:
should '.'.i.'.'."1 .'1:1"..92'c, to §_ji.'.'c it to hizz. .I then retli to ?n1J.aclolph.ta, and Bane days subsequent,possibly a vroelc or so later, reported. the msulw of aw trip to JOM.At this tine, I t'eee.1l, we none an aoergcmy mfmse i1'hor_e1::r JQ3192 .' _emd got in toweh with ::c should this other part;-', the an with thephone number in 1;nnhz92ttan, a.-lvise .1012-E that was new in Ca:1:J.n"1l3¬e¢This energcnc; arra.-igezaem, we-i'Ld even at that have involved thepassage or several days, was never used, and insteac_1, in the first weekin January 19?45, J0'.~'1I called we sho1't1;{ be-fore xiii 1.12., on a.'1iee1a1a;rno:-n:Lng, just as I was getting ready to leave for work; with some '_difficulty he described to no the feet that he was in a g:-isoline station,shat T. !.'i:".a.TL"-,7 r.-':.c:'.:;*_.'1c.<}. to be -i=: .'-5 Circle sccti-:-:1 oi: ;"hi12.<ic_IL"_1"=i¬-'-IGIT? '.'.'1"n;r:=.'. -=> "2".-3.: if T '.;-;92'- C. cs 1-' <.s'.".1 +2-F c= :1-.I7nrc7. 1':'-:1. I did so., _ , Ha rry Gold ib!-A IE-B - 13 r;|_'1O_,50
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'6'got on the ear again and wcnt§dm:w923"1eé,enaiml in Franliford, 1.-11¢;-eJQHN that he hz-.id";1u.et'1e 9,1-e'vioea_ qisy reeeivogi notificetiui P-- - 7-k_ _* -_. .' -_ - _ - 0 _ _; -___ _ _. ti. 4 _ .i_ea iv §¢»*>1*1@i==-I. Isa >-1ei@==141=» 1* we we hainot the that some
affairs to attend to which 110-0.1.21 have taken him out oi Hat York, andwhere he would have been unable to get in touch with mo. He then told
me that I 1:n1st,'as Boon possible, arrange to go to Cambridge. I didso. I believe that I mt JOHN on a. Tuesday o1_' a edneedq, and that_* _ _ '- - '- . . " . , -I erriveri in Cambridge en met likely 5 pi-iaq. 1 wen. <m-em; to the ~nsn:m.n'n<=-.10, this was in the morning, ghd when 1 imoolned 1 was admittedby, I believe, a sea-varrb girl, ICl'.-l92.US was there and welcomed mo. Hrs.1TJ.-."£.i_-'-3' left after a. fen": minute-3 and erreusc-6. h~:rsel£', s:~.;'in[',, "I have
to 31¢}: up the c.:Llc.:cn frz. the school." 11?-_:-_'.r"= asked 2: u;1st:-.i:'swith him to his room, which was the front one looking out on the street,
and we sat there for possibly 15 or 20 minutes, during which time thefollowing; took place: . told no that he was located at anHe.tcn!'.16enc"1';;,' e.-'.'peri.'nenta.l station vrhieh was called Ins AlamO8_ and which waslocated 30 miles array from wta Fe, New Iieacico. He said that hos
Alanos had. once been a very exslusive boys school, an-:1 that there was_ ,.:nothing else in that area, The nearest habitation of any hind was Santa.Fe. Ho told. no that he was getting along: very well there, but that he _.was strictly limited in regard to being-a.b1e to leave I0: names. Be -said that 1+, me onljr been with the greatest difficulty and due to tie ;fact tlmt lac. hr.-.1 ._"je*1.cn a ..1i.'t. £1-:a;1 on is -¢:e1":, as 1";-"':.:""'_A- '"'_;"=<;- 392_1:'.;t|'Harry Gold
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*"' ement which involvedwith .1012: in Philaz-0171113, been um. 0. an a.--nng,KIAU3 again in; gqpbridz, should he me.f§e__}a_:1oth_er' " 15 5: we <:.~iaru'5":--~.,-': . Yrieéé @f__,§!1=i=11@_@,*-1r92<':=. *»<>.92_><.= =¢w~h=1'@ _ .. t 1 . _ _ . .uliomx had: told {=5 maa: mm: bo:,_;92.nadv'Laable to_fmee't_ at me¢.__- . < -_-_;_q__. ,_ . _ -- ' Q #51. iere 0111; doing so this tim beeause t
' the only way that 1: could. we mus without ritilinixmg to;x|_9;92.w 1message or .-$I;§J3§_muwt1m. When. 1 iaentioned the g,meeting ea: the Charles River KLAUS, he tolcl me that sueh Irould be t -imposeibleg that he 1;.-as cent:-tain it woiild }_ae__,a v_ery,leng'" ti::_s,'sibly even a yr-er, before he eoul.o again leave AiB==°=_| Ind *-Y"-3* '
pea .the next mceti.n:_:'1r-ml.d have w who :=1-we in Santa Fe- He §11§v,__¢;n-'-Bed.. +t:11..-': ;::.t+.<-.2 at swac .Ler._jt!1. I be1.i.e':e that 1~TI..-'-IE5 told that aecu.hnmimlncne again am. we
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t hour er-i.c*~ eswhich vergj earl;-P in June, and we also set the ezcao , .. .-. 92 _ W .: __ I--U: H1 recall, was moo oiclock in the a-e:'n_oon oi. rgm. Sa.turd,:!' m» .June. xcnwé showed me 5. mp of Santa i-"e, and indicated on 11-. theCastillo Street Bridge over the 31.0 Santa Fe. lie also told me that
"""ort to keep this _appo*.nt:nont-he 1~ro*_:J.d mize every ea._ To the best oi aw recollection, I recall that should trzisscheduled meeting 0'-*2 the rst Saturdaqr Ln Jurie not take place,that' "there was provision :.a.'1C ior_::1 alternate meeting, nest l.i.1<cl;' on the 'first Sat.92t1'92" Ln the following month, and at the same time and place. :Parry Gold 4.; -_ -
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dress or opera type. Alec, I had been given the mm or $1,500.00 by _JOIIH with instructions to give it to KLAUS, but that I must proceed veryd lteately in thil last nutter so as not to offend him end. thatunder ne'circumstance must I insist upon or make an issue of this matter. KLMJ8 - -did accept the wallet, but looked eemewhatt-ewriJ.dered, and when I madeso-,3: very tentative inquiries ccncernzbag rrhcther he needed em moneyeither for h5.=.sel.£ or pessiol;,r for his sister, the reply 1.-as co cold andfinal tam. 1 went no further with the matter. it was quiteoevioee that "by even montimixmg-sea Bhad offended the mm; I left short]; therea.1'ter,- -and returned to New York. There I turned over the infomatium to JOIBT *and also returned to him the Ff-l,500.0O,sayin3 that I had made acme tentativeinquiry, but that KLAU3 FUCHS had responded so violently that I deemed itinadvisable to pursue the subject Em-ther. I recall very well that on
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of the meeting was to be in Brooklyn. -I le Philadelphia and went by train to Chicago, Just aboutthe-tend of gay; 7?-an the Union Station in chieago, I rent to the DearboroStation, an! mnaéed to obtain space on upper! to K , Herl;e:d.eo_,_ I v_rou1d ltke to state here that I had been told by JOE-III to usea very circuitous route 1:7 ieh involved going beyond J.lb92:.11¢Iq921-B and 1- '°°A;-iggng, an-_1 mm going from ;92_;~izona to I-1 Peso, '.'r.:::.:, and "then fromzl Paulo to Saute Fe} However, I was extremy short of money, and hadto watch what I had_ ver,Y_care1921l1¥, and__suc1_:_a_tr1p was complete]; out? . - _ -_ - . . - 1 . . ~ ._ . ; '-_ - - I ' ' -' - t92pvoi the question. Lise, there was the matter of time; It was only with-'_ .the greatest dii1"1culty and my at the last minute that I me been =.t1=to arrange to take part of my vacation that early in the year, I recallthat the train that I took did not go directly to Albuquerque, butstopped at Clovis, liar 1.Ze:cL¢o; there we took a eoachytgched to a shunt ' 1 . _. _.--1.engin%§£2?- distané of one 25.-to 36:_.m;]_e5 i.nt0 kllvluquorjqixme,also we as ma that was mo advised ::1e_tha.t&§J'ctging Off at me; "New eadeo, some hf} miles tron Albuquerque, that I could get :- ' 92*t.:'."_r1sj1ort...ti.=;>n "ntc -ante I-c, T.-..tI=. ;u .'. f1..1'=I, j-_v=~.._"; to _'_'_1_;:':.-"g_1:@ .=r.;*.i_c .= '_'E#ir'.1:. !_,__,o dCr_:1,T{]_ .§!,.,...'!q7-I :___,,".._1_, ,1 - L ._,.92-}-_ I _--_-Q _-.-".-- _._ '1.-92 ---1.»
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. '1-92there p1-omptluy at 4100 o'olock,' KLMJS arrived there possibly two or ' 4 . -- *-'- 1-three minutes late, during which two or three ininutas I became extremely -
uneasy, as the area around the Castillo Street Bridge was extremely
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in Ins hlamos, and told me that he did not§T3|92oFver, believe, andthet Rios.e reiteration of his st-.'~t:-men*.- vrh1.cn he had made sevaral times ..v=:iore, _ HHarry uO1d'7-1.3-50 '
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obtain a place to sleep, since I did not inter-211% leave Albuquerqueuntil the follow! ng day, that 15 Sunday. 1 believe that in the course ofsearching for a hotel room, I registered at the Hilton with the under-standing that should a room become available they would save it for me.During the evening I made inquiry at practically every other hotel ofany size in Albuquerque, including one that I recall, the San Francisco-Finally about 12:00 o'clock:|rni ht, the Hilton advised me that there " 14.51. _ -_was such a long waiting list ahead of me that they were certain '1-Inst noHarry GoldTS!!! REE '7/10/50
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space in the early a.1'tez-noon of Sunday. imam I arrived in Chicago Iinquired by telep.-1 ave at the .-.1.rj>ort '3c:-r.1in:11 and dctciwlnod vlt theonly space I could. get '.rs.£: from Chicago to iiashingbon. 1-. 92-"en so, that
was cheaper than going by train from Cfxioago to Hon York or PhiJ.B--dolphin. ' Accordingly; I -amt by plane to Tiashixugton, egl arrived ttlereabout 1u30 or $100 in the afternoon, and thefgthe Pe1'm$ylvan:La Rail-
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dawobte1nedspsceto;u,buquerq11°.' Ierz'ivedin19211>uquerqueear1.yin'the week, possibly on |. Tuesdw or Wednesday, and registered at the 1 ..Hilton Hotel. I used the name HARE! 0011!,? the same which I _ha.d usedatthe Palmer House. From A1buquea_'que'"I sent-sj Fe, vex; T -;late in the cftemoon, about 6.00 c'92c]_.oc_k, met mus sucrys; '[-ms matingplace was on the outskirts of sants Fe, and was near a large church.I-or t-~.=* Zia-at tL"~.e 1:1 my association ':.'ith FUCIXS he was Latefor a meeting --:'.~.icn occurrerl, E.;f92§. L--_; late I nern "1;I"1.':t he was fully tr-Ycr=ty'or twenty five minutes tardy. Ho did eome along £rc_:r= the outsideor Santa Fe in the direction of the city itsoli. He explained to 1:1: thathe was very sorry about not being ynmctusl, that he had great dif,-__--5 . -. - ' . ~ _ - w _A . . ._ .. ficulty, first in obtaining the use of the car, and secondly, in beingable to get as-ra.y from his friends with ul em he worked at Ins Llamas. He Aalso explained to_o.e ti!-_~".t there were some bottles of liquor in the bottcnwad J. - of the car 1.-:hi.c1 we been purchased by KMUS and these friends, in prepara- 1 . l Ition for a perty which they were going to have back at Loo ames thstvery evening. The purpose of the party was to celebrate the successfuluse o£_atcmic energy in the form oi a weapon. KI-AUS also told inc,this occurred 92':".ile he 1-:.-__s t§.I'iVi.*1}f 1:-.+:.y frzxa Banta Fe and up intp the - Mound-3.:-.3: hi?-_"_ aml desert cs-:nt92:'5-', t;1..:t he himself was rather ;:1'.'est*.'i.c.-zen
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December of 1915, and possibly sometime early in 191:6, that the British
would have him return to England where he would again resurne work onManic 1'ne1~r_',y, c::c11.1ei92re'.1y for them. He told no :J.so that he had been
notified by a member of the British intelligence that were trying. _be contact KLMI5's father an r1e1, eemew, though it may be 1i1:eJ;I' that '._ - .2 I, _.i . .KI-W5 actually said they were trying to repatriate his father trcn S'Iitzer-Land ee'1::.e1. 1 -aclieve em. said his father eel: or a u.-.~.e lived;Harry G01_.d -
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and health of his fatizcr, l' The fo1J.o¢riJ92;f,Ixt3?s with III-AU?» FUCEI5 for meeting hm again
' in" vrith the firstd to Great Britai. ,,Should he be 1-ran5ien'cSat,ur<1-Lia;-i.§1 a gifcnnuonm, 1-'hic1"1 gontlgd to £6 detox-mined 1.nqu'i-I7at IQ.-VA' J'C'>Ia. si.st,e_r92a, placo 1;':ig1.and on soon as itbe £orH::or=-ecmo to meet u{$l~af. I To o.::zp1_Lf.y,had moi idea. as to now soon we cc-1.. .'.c:':.ino from ZIL-.JI.='s W563:ho 'v='ou].d actu.a'1.1y 1.61-NC, or 11:-Ld '1.cl*o for '-_ .riLain. So 'i.T.1.z.t a a:i"0c:'
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bound together by a tight string. These books were to be earrled I.. ' ' Inthe othefha-"nil the HpD1"BG'l. '7u couple or ringers hooked under the string.H o not-or ammrrr'oe.2F92a92 tohavo a%'§'ontn.i.:1:I.r_l3 the o921t-sihclaz jae _ J __éwe which ecntaithed a large collection of92'-'b0o1:,'pepu1£-1' at that tine, _ .eneedotes. The book jacket had, I believe, a yellow land gre <19 -5110:, 1, 3 ¢=~_-, -10:, ;=¢¢;-_11_-.-.-:~..r:' z:1.=.'.'-*» -.-.-;.-.='o; have us-ed for a recognition:i.gn.:'J., bc;'rm:1 the fact i'.=?..i t'i"-.1: '_w<.=:*s-P-:1 S92C'-l..-"!. _'j hi.-'1 would hc-are a. eo'==f:"-_etophylcal description of "=:u.us F-JGH3. The other point about this meeting ~. with KIAUS FUCHS was that he nantloned that he_ha£_1 attended. the first _explosion thobonb "at Alamogordo, Iiezcieo, heelso _Ioontion6§?l"' . to me that the people baelz at Loo Alemoo told of Beer! the '
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also provialed for the conti.ngenc;,;ma1-g; said not he nopeom am ease to be able to again spelli the-tim around e1o~1==#.q.== with tm'1;mnmml'fraio._1r in eeibriogo, m;_1+.1~.'-it - __the best way: of osoereaniing =11; whereabmltséwao to no-K11 ' ' am we ' l "his meeting took p'L'1C8 as I have s __ -1" shortly before that time. 1. __1 *-: ¢.
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F°i"8 baa ,*'° #11=' -'1.°1"l-°- ,7 ..,__ _. _ _ _,'e§_'tue'51ght atl and vezry early the merning, possib]. 2a30_ LAM, 'iwas.in1'oi'mBl'1i by -_the airlines that there was space for me as far as Kansas City. I . u':::".s pic..:ea. ujv by the r.ir15.ne's l:92:10'.15i.ne, and went to the Albuquerque_ __ ;92i1'po:rt and fro: the-rc by ";>1.r_*1e to Kansas Cit;'_. 1'-.t__}Z'e.s City I wasiorced to leave, and from there took 1 coach 7 "z iate theevening-, _1 Just ta catch a. again~ Station end goingtolletr Ic1'k-'_1- rode 1->e.r't_o!A.'. wag edtilite .inthedayccach, andthercsto£thewa§'i;i'l92%1>4.1n1I~spa¢e. 'I went directly £2-en Heafcrlz hogan. Phi]-adclphia, and carriedon my person the infomatien 'w.'d.ch Y-.I.}-W5 had given 1792;J0.1:gf-h next fell- -. __ .92<=t¢.1J;,' there was one zeeeting witesosua which did net__occur_ _ .- H __ si.ue>iy because _I iris 1':-.r too etched _£'o:r ti-ke to keep such a. meeting; 'Itlwa that do to acecxeplish this tiip to Santa its andI did -meet J01?-I some d:q;;3 liter after sq retzzm to Thtladelphie, ane._-'- '1' -'the 'p1,a.C-'. -:'r.92.' :1 u- ens, ':§=>:.:, :~_m". s'=-.-:1-.-here beta-:cenJa.eT:5on '
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_ _ 1 would to gt '>¢i1£ the omvoraation 'r_;§df'w;tn mu; ""' Y mm; -ok:caaion_,_ and 1 bquimmiq 5» be on £i~iiz;e¢u1¢oOf ou:_r 1'ou.Il'-_b met!-ligand matkléjgaa at ._hoin'_a Hoatonrmt, KIAUS told no that the atomic eoerg .pr_o_1ect was "iaeing purauo, or was going to be pursued on a éery lalrge acalo 5.6 iregards tho separation of the necessanr iaotop OI 1J18115-"Ba =°'19"h'=1"in um squuaonatan mitod States, and he thou.;3ht possio1;' that the_1.00-biclt uoznd be in -'.}00rgL'l or possibly evon Alabmq also in the _occoai-an of our last meeting in How York, this was the e&;._-;h'th_ meetingand mm-red dairiné a walk in central Pu-2, um no wit ." 1; . ' ¢ _ - ' - _ place -more he azqwootod to be transferred iéa ao16'Fahm8 in the saunmdi,and ho thought most 1.110018 in Bmdco, not Ba E.-iazico. Fur:-nor, on thooccasion of this meeting in Cemral Park, ICU-US told no that the Dani-B11nobol prise 1.-imwr, 1-{I15 D0831, was at preacnt in thia country undar thonon: 11ICHO'L£!~ i KLAUS said that ot_:vio921=I192y the pamubrll HIQHGIAS
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o1oorooaJlumtatthotuaoIhadnem1nnodtoKIAUSthopoasiJ:d._11w _._ 2 ' ' I -_ : _ ' I T " 92_92 - M"-.m,.'01 the use of-aha-guoiddmslm as I nouns of ooparoum ioowpoo, last. ' " ' ' i 92"92'thJI92- KIAUS had brushed this aaidn. ' _ " '-Onarqyocoaaionuhm Y.'!JL'JSgavemverbal information, '
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the message had become jumbled. I did make what. sense I could outof the meaaege,' and on eccaaiee 0! this meetixiz into tell mus about ulwlt further informtim was am;-ea. 1 am ms _
get 10171;: along this course because KLAUS seemed to talus 0£'fen.gibeing i.nst.ruc*_,cd and u:.';L<l vex ; briey that he had z-Jre.-ne'er covcz~nvl-all
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relationship between KLAUS and -use tnat of twoFurther, on the occasion of the last meeting in Santa Fe, IELAUS expressedfirm friends.
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witnessed:- =-_ '1'. Scott Miller, J1-., Special Agent
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ID connection with the correlation summary on HarryGold, which in Serial 260 of thie file, references to Gold appearingin the Hethen Gregory Silvermeeter Once 5-54402! were not revieweden Gold no curried ee e main eubject in that file. 'Accordingly, n review of the letter file covering the- period beginning with the first mention of Gold in that one, which occurred during the interview of Abraham Brottmnn on IQ! 29, 1947, ' tee nede by Special Agents I. E. Brawn, B. F. Enrich, O. L. Bzell,
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Page 18 - 7/31/49. Harry Gold testified before the Federal Grand Jury, SUN?!SA F. D. 0'Brie testified re Gold. - 5
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Gregory, Espionage R. SA F. D. O'Bien testified before the Grand Jury thisd8f0 I0 Harry G014. lasers. T. V. Quinn and T. I. Donegan advised that Goldtestified in substance to that which he had previously testified to the
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Letter from NYC to Bur 2 6/13/47 entitled Gregory at al, Espionage - R.
Harry Gold Ins reiaterviewed on e/ii/4v. Ia this interview he stated thatdart! Garter Headless wife: maiden name was Bucknan. According to Gold,she was the daughter of a prominent state senator from Upstate Pennsylvania.She married carter Hoodlees around 1938. They were divorced in 1942. Atthe time Gold was introduced to Golos by Carter Hoodlees, he was then living
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65-56502-25100In 11.1. telstype 5/29/L7 Abraham Brothman when interviewed, stated that around 191.0 another mn who Brothmn identified as Harry Gold came to , ~his office stating that he represented Golos. Brothman stated thatHelen and Harry Gold would pick up blueprints from him for Golos.Brothman advised that Harry Gold is now employed as of date o!teletype! by him as a chemist. Brothmsn advised that the blueprintswere sometimes returned by Helen and Harry Gold, but not necessarilyall of then. Brothnsn stated that he had the originals of most or theblueprints which he furnished to the above people. He stated that HarGold made his last pick up oi the prints in late l91.l or early in 191.2. This telctype stated that Brothman me given 25 page signed statementconcerning above. Efforts were being made at this time to locate Harry
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65-561.02-2692NJ. Teletype dated 7/16/1.7 in Case. "Gregory, Espionage - R.-On 7/16/1.7 the 11.1. Office by Teletype advised that on 7/23/1.? the Newfork Agents would testify before the Grand Jury in New York He interviewsof Harry Gold and Mildred Price to be followed by these subjects.
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rm. Teletype dated 7/2.2/1.714.1. Office in teletype dated 1/22/1.7 advised that Abraham Brothmanfollowed Special Agent F. D. O'Brien before Grand Jury in New York.Brothman admitted frequent contacts with Jacob Golos and Informant Gregory,when he knew as Helen. He claimed he broke oft with G-olos and Helen, and wastold by Harry Gold, previously mentioned as the individual that took Helen'splace, that Golos and Helen, in Gold's opinion were phonies ar could not
obtain contracts for him.The telstype later stated that on Thursday 7/31/1.? Ray Elson and Harry ',
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N! Teletype dated 6/2:./1.7Ch 6/21./1.7 the New York Office in teletype requested Bureau authorityfor Agents who interviewed harry Gold and Abraham Brothman to proceedto Philadelphia to conduct interview of former wife oi Carter Hoodless.
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NJ. letter dated e/23/1.7On 6/23/1.7 the NJ. Office by letter forwarded two photographs of HarryGold to the H11-eau and 921.F.O. The Letter referred to report of shJohn '1. Hilsbos, dated 6/7/1.7 at New York which contained infornationconcerning Harry Gold, a contact of Jacob Golos.
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Espionage - R .On 6/23/1.7 Jules Korchien was interviewed in his office his office at111. East 32nd St., NYC, by Special Agents Courtency Clinch and Francis D. _
O'Brien.Korchien emphatically denied that he had ever contacted any individual -in a clandestine manner to furnish information regarding the United 5tate!_ _ Government .or any business deals in which he might have been involved. -- ,Korchien denied that he was aware that Abraham Brothman had been acquainted with Jacob Golos and also that he was not aware of the fact that Harry * '
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Gese" ! Identities of &1bjects and others who appeared before Federal GrandJury. _ Harry Gold. ' "'
The testimony of the above persons was substantially the same as theinformation they had previously furnished the FBI when interviewed.
Report s1 John r. aim». at no 3/6/1.7 entitled Gregory, zap. - a.IQ?-1 b1 DA<=~=m-dine *-=> °ne Vi -or "Mn. *-91* -phone Rstcliffe 5-7167, Philadelphia, ennsylvania, contacted one Gold, anemployee of A. Brothman Associates and inquired if a machine described as
an ozonizer phonetic! would be ready.This is a tech on Abraham Brothman, 2928 hlst ive., Long Island City, NY
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lfemo D. ll. Lsdd to the Director dated June 3, 191.7Abraham Brothman advised that in about l91.0, another man besides Jacob Golos! whom Brothman identified as Harry Gold, came to his office stating that herepresented Golos. Thereafter Gregory and Harry Gold would pick upblueprints from him for delivery to Golos. He stated that Harry Gold isemployed by him now as a chemist Brothman said that the blue-prints weresometimes returned by Gregory and Harry Gold but not necessarily all of then.He said that Harry Gold made his last pickup of blueprints in late 191.1or early in 191.2. Brothman furnished a signed statement concerning the above. ' ,
Harry Gold was thereafter interviewed and furnished a signed statement inwhich he admitted knowing John Golush or Golish phonetic!. He identified a photograph eel Jacob Golo as being identical with this person. He said ho» -was introduced to Golos at a chemical society meeting in Philadelphia in "October, 1933, by a mutual friend who died in Philadelphia in July, 191.2. _Golos requested Gold to evaluate on chemical basis blue prints and materialwhich would be submitted to him by Abraham Brothman, whom Golos directed Goldto contact in New York City.
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,Gold said he contacted Brothman in November, 191.0, and subsequentlycontacted Brothmen approximately every three weeks for e period of six _months, obtaining from him e number of blue prints pertaining to chemicalprocesses. oat oi the material obtained from Brothman was retained by Gold.Gold denied that he ever saw Golos after their original meeting.
It is recalled that Gregory stated that in l9L0 Golos indicated that he wassomewhat discouraged with his dealings with Brothman and that he was goingto turn him over tor handling to someone else. Gregory did not learn fromGolos or anyone else to whom Brothman was directed. Mam Ladd to DirectorJune 3. 19h?!
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The following investigation concerning the activities of AbrahamBretbmsn and Harry Gold was conducted on 5/29/47 by San Deals E. shannggand Francis D. O'Brien: . 'On 5/29/ H, Abraham Brothmnn was interviewed in his office, Boom 1218,l 2946 - ilat Avenue, Long Island City; R.Y. Brothmea was first questioned regarding his submitting information or furnishing blue prints to any indiv-iduals who might have connections with a foreign government. Brothman stated that he had furnished blue prints to a number of individuals, and itwas a comon practice in the engineering field to submit blue prints to certain lnd1viduals'Iho might possibly be in a position to obtain contracts
for a firm.Brothmen was then specifically questioned as to whether or not he had bbeen acquainted with an individual by the name of Jacob Golos. Brothmanstated that he could not recall this name, and a picture of Golos was exhibitedto him. Brothman denied knowing Golos at this time. Thcreupona picture"of informant Gregory was exhibited to him. Brothman identified Gregoryas an individual whom he knew as "Helen." Brothmen was thereupon visorously questioned as to his acquaintanceship with Helen. He then admitted that hedid recognize the photograph of Golos but was unable to state the name ofthis individual. Brothman than related the following concerning his know-
ledge ef Jacob Goloe and Hole:According to Brothman, sometime in 1938 or 1939 an individual cameto him at his office at 114 East 52nd Street, at which time Brothman*wnaoperating a firm under the name of the Republic Chemical Haohinery company,which company was associated with the Hendrick Hanufacturing Gopany at Carbondals, Pennsylvania. This individual told Brothman that he had contactswith the Russian government and that he was in a position to get-contracts from the Russian government for Brothman, if Brothnan would turn over to him__wblue prints of certain products Brothman was working on at that time. *Brothman states that the blue prints were his own property and they werefor the most part blue prints of shafts, vats, and other equipment necessaryin the operation of a plant manufacturing chemicals.According to Brothman, Goloe visited his office on several occasionsand sometime following his original visit he introduced him to an individualknown only as Helen. Brothman stated that he was under the impression thatHelen was secretary to Golos. Golos advised Brothman that Helen would inthe future obtain the blue prints which he had been accustomed to turn overto Goloa. 'Helen visited Brothmsn's office over a dozen times during 1958-195991940 and soetime in 1940 Helen stopped coming to his office and anotherindividual named Harry Gold came to his office and said he represented Golos;,j- 92, .,___-_
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was late in 1941 or early in 1942.Brothmnn was then questioned as to the whereabouts of Harry Gold,to which he replied that Gold is presently employed by bin as a chemist inhis laboratory in Elmhurst, Long Island. Brothman emphatically stated thatGold was the last individual to pich up any blue prints or material which .was te be furnished to Golos. He also stated that he did not know the presentwhereabote of Golos and denied that he was ever contacted by any etherindividuals other than Helen and Gold as individuals whe represented Golos.Brothman was qnestioned as to the nature of the blue prints that hehad turned over to Golee, at which time he displayed the blue prints, copiesof which he still had in his offices, and an examination of the blue printswas made and it was determined that they were all concerned with blue printsof shafts, filters, vats and other machinery used in the manufacture ofcheicals. Brethman stated that some of the blue pints which he turnedever to Goles and Helen as well as to Gold were returned to him, but otherswere retained by them. He emphatically denied that he had ever turned overany blue prints which were of a restricted or secret nature pertaining tothe war effort ef the U. S. or any plans which the U. S. might be connersed
with at that time.Relative to the Hendrick anufacturing Company at Garbondsle, Pennsylvania,Brothman stated that he himself had founded the Republic intnssnrn ChemicalHachinery Company which'sas set up as an engineering and designing companydealing solely with instruments and material to be used in the manufactureof chemicals. He stated that at the time he had formed the Republic ChemicalMachinery Gompny he was associated with the Hendrickzlanufaoturing Company and worked with that company until 1942. Brothman added that all of the -blue prints which bad been turned over to the individulls mentioned hereinbefoe were his own personal ppn property belonging solely to the firm that he "- .had founded. -Brothman was specifically questioned as to how he had become acquaintedwith Jacob Golos. He replied that possibly Geles knew of his firm throughadvertising in the various chemical magazines. He emphatically stated thatthis was the only possible way that Golos would get in touch with him anddenied that anybody had ever sent Golos to him. Brothman then stated thatit was a commo practice in the engineering field to turn over blue prints to various individuals in an effort to obtain contracts. He also statedthat this nnn was his sole purpose in turning over the blue prints to Goloii.namely, that Goloe had stated that he was in a position to obtain contractsfrom the Russian government. ,The following signed statement, the original of which is being retained"is this file, was obtained from Brothman: _ " * _ -E_- A? '
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llay 29, rm"I, Abraham Brothmea, make the following voluntary statement to DonaldE. Shannon and Francis D. O'Brien, whom I lcnow to be Special Agents of theFederal Bureau of Investigation. Ho threats or premises of any nature weremade to be to make this statement. I know that what I say may be used against
me at any time in a court of law."In 1938 or 1959 a man whose name I do not recall but whose picturewas shown to me today by r. Shanon §_r._ Kr. O'Brien, came into my office at114 3. 32 St. where I ow_n_ and operated the Republic Chemical Machinery Co. which was associated by contract with Hendrick Manufacturing Cc. This mansaid he had contacts with the Russian government and he could get me contractswith the Russian government. I turned over several blue prints to him;these blue prints were my own for the most part and the purpose of turningthem over to him-was to obtain contracts. Shortly after this men cameto my office a woman by the name of Helen came to my office and said she represented this man, whose picture I have identified; I believed that thiswoman was the secretary of the man whose pictured I identified. I have identified Helen as the girl whose picture llr. Shannon dr. llr. O'Brien haveanal w shon to me. This Helen came to my office ovrr a dozen times during1938, 1959 8:. 1940. Then around 1940 another man whose name is Harry Goldcame to my office and he said he too represented the men whose picture I identified. Both Helen and Harry Gold would pick up blue prints from me forthis nnnl n man whose picture I have identified. Harry Gold is now employedby me as a chemist. The blue prints were sometimes returned by Helen andHarry Gold but not all of them. I still have the original of most of theblue prints that I turned over to them. Harry Gold made his last pick upof blue prints late in 1941 or early in 1942. _"Sometime! in 1938 or 1939 I became associated with Hendricks llachinery Go. and did work with them until 1942. The blue prints were my can and not - -- Hendricks. "
"I once contacted the man whose picture I have identified at a phonelisted to a Ir. Chester and the telephone exchange was Watkins to the best ofmy recollection. I often met this man and Helen, his Secretary at variousrestaurants in the mid-town area in New York City. I have not seen this man whose pictured I identified since 1941 or
19t2."I have read the above three page statement and it is true to the .best of my recollection. I have read and signed p. 2 and it is true to thebest of my recollection. I new sign p. 3 and it is true to the best of -
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Party affairs.Brothmal was then questioned as te whether er not he had ever suspectedthat Jacob Golos was engaged in espionage activities. Brethman replied that during the time that the Canadian espionage case broke in Canada in l94=6 in reflection he became suspicious of Goloe and thought possibly he wasengaged in the type of activity that existed in Canada.Brothman offered the information that he was a member of the PoliticalAction Committee and had attended meetings of that organization.
Re: Harry GoldThe following investigation concerning Harry Gold was conducted bySpecial Agents Donald E. Shannon and Francis D. O'Brien on llay 29, l94'7:Harry Gold is presently employed by A. Brethnal Associates as achemist. Gold is the individual to whom braham Brothman, a subject in instant case, turned over blue prints which he had in his possession, and Gold also is the individual who obtained these blue prints at the express "' Tdirection of Jacob Golos, now deceas-ad but who was an agent of the Russian
government.Gold we interviewed on Hay 29, l94='?, in the A. Brothmu Associates Laboratory, B505 - 57th Avenue, Elnhurst, Long Island. C-old stated that he was born December 12, l9l0, in Switzerland and that he came to the U. S. in1914 with his parents, 3am Geld and Celia Gold, both of whom were born in Russia. Gold stated that his parents cams to the U. S. under the name ofGclodnitsky but changed their names at the time they were naturalized. 3 Gold stated that he moved to Philadelphia after a short time and attended ' _the public schools of Philadelphia, and in 1929 he was employed by thePennsylvania Sugar Company in their laboratories. _Subsequent to this time Gold attended night school at the Drexell -- 'Institute in Philadelphia, the University of Pennsylvania, and colnmbia -- University, and he shortly thereafter obtained a leave of absence from '~ 'the Pennsylvania Sugar Company in order to attend Xavier University at '* ' "-hieinnati, Ohio, from which university he received a degree of Bachelor of '
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named Pereira at this address.In the course ef the interview Harry Cold advised that he had beenemployed off and en since 1929 with the Pennsylvania Sugar Company. Duringhis employment with this company he became friendly with an individual bythe name of Garter Needless whose father was an official in the PennsylvaniaSugar Company. In October 1940, Cold advised, he attended a meeting of thAmerican Chemical Society at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsyl-vania, together with carter Needless. At the conclusibn of this meetingNeedless introduced him te an individual whom.he recalled as John Gelusho Celish phonetic!. A photograph of Jacob Colos was then exhibited toHarry Cold, and he identified this photograph as that of John Golush erColish to when he was introduced by Carter Needless in October 1940.
At the conclusion of this meeting at the American Chemical Societyand after the introduction had taken place Harry Cold advised that he andColes went to a restaurant on Bead Street in Philadelphia. He was unableto recall specifically the name of the restaurant but thought that it mightbe lew Tbndler's Restaurant. They remained at the restaurant until 2:30a.m. In the course of their conversation Colos made the following propositionto Harry Cold. He advised him that he had some connections with_some individ-uals in a foreign country, not naming the country, and that he had connectionswith an individual in New York City by the name of Abraham Brothmnn andBrothman was turning over to him certain blue prints which had a connectioin the chemical field. Coles told Cold that he had to have a recognizedchemist who would go to New York City, make contact with Abraham Brothman,obtain from him certain blue prints, and then evaluate these blue printson a chemical basis. Cold stated that no financial agreement was entered ";into but that there was an understanding that he would receive see reward
for the work he was to perform.Cold stated that about two weeks after this meeting he telephonedAbraham Brothman in New York City and introduced himself to him over thetelephone as a representative of John Colush or Cclish and made an appointmentto doe to New York City to see Hrothman within a week or so. Within aweek o two after this telephone call and setime in November 1940 BarryGold made his first trip to New York City where he ccntacted Abraham Brothmen. This meeting, according to Cold, took place in the evening in a ' .restaurant in the downtown section of New York City. Cold was unable terecall the name of the restaurant. The two had dinner together and Brothmnnturned over the blue prints to him. 'Cold stated that for the next sir months he hade visits to New YorkCity on the average of every three weeks. All of these trips were made in -_the dentin evening'as Harry Gold stated he had to attend to his Job in thedaytime. He also advised that he returned to Philadelphia on the same eveningthat he came to New York City and that on no occasion did he stay overnight
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t0Gold stated that after hie second or third trip to New York City andthe phone calla from Golueh or Gclieh he felt that there was nothing to thepreposition and he became more or lees disinterested in it. However, in themeantime he and Abraham Brothman had become quite friendly and Abraham Brothmanexhibited an int ereet in Harry Gold's career as a chemist. In this regard,G-old stated that Brethman gave him several odd jobs to perform in his capacityas a chemist and that he paid him for this work. It was through this contact, -according to Harry Gold, that he subsequently became unployed by Abraham Brothmanin February 1946. Gold stated that ever since 1941 Abraham Brothman had beeninterested in having him cane with his organization on a full-time basis,but it was not until February 1946 that he could see his way clear to accept
such employment.Barry Gold was questioned very closely as to any financial arrange-ments that had been entered into between Golush or Gclish and him. He statedthat he did not receive one cent from him and that he had only seen Golushon the one occasion in October 1940. He was then asked who paid his farefor these tripe he made every three weeks for a six months period from Phil-adelphia to New York and return. He stated that he hims =11 etbod the expensesfor the first two trips and that after that and_ after be became friendly with Abraham Brothman, Brothmaa would give not a to bill to sustain the en-
ponses of his trips to New York and return.A signed statement, the original of which is being retained in thisfile, was obtained from Harry Gold in the course of the interview and is set
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"I, Harry G-old, residing at 68-23 Kindred $t., Phila, Pa make thefollowing voluntary statement to Francis D. O'Brien and Donald E. Shannonwhom I know to be Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. No threats or promises of any nature were made to mo to make this statement.I know that anything I state may be used against me at any time in a court
of I-aw."In Oct. 1940 I was introduced to a man by the name of Gohn Golushor Golish by carter goodless, who was a good friend of mine. The introductiontook place at a meeting of the American Chemical Society at the Franklin -Institute in Phila., Pa. Arte: the meeting Golish or Golush and myselfwent to a restaurant an Broad Street where we remained until 2:50 LII. On -this occasion Golish or Golush made the following proposition to me; that _ __I was to twirl. telephone Abe Brothman, a Chemical Engineer in ll. Y. City and _to make an appointment to see him; that I was to discuss two chemical p1;o- _ceases with him and to obtain blue prints frcn him which I was to evaluate, -against the chemical soundness of the process. The two chemical processes were Phenol Formaldehyde resins and Urea Formaldehyde resins. About one week
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"IitnessedDonald E. $hannon, 5pecial Agent, I.B.I. HY CityPrancis D. O'Brien. Special gent, P.B.I. H.Y. city"The following is a description of Harry Gold as obtained from observ-ation and interview: '
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be considered subne ins.It is noted that the personnel file of Harry Gold indicates that hewas given an occumtional deferment from $olective Service Board No. 65, Philadelphia, on ' y 5, 1945, at the request of Pennsylvania Sugar Company.According to personnel records, Cold has also worked for the followingcompanies, dates of employment not given: '1he Hobrook Manufacturing ctI!lp.BI, Jersey City, 14.1., employed for nine months; The lloormeir Dairy 90111191!» ' -
Cincinnati, Ohio, one year. ._ _ On llay 51, 1947, Special A-gents William B. Ielte and Fred C. Birkby contacted the homo of Harry Cold, 5825 Kindred Street, Philadelphia, for the _ _ purpose of interviewing Gold's parents along the lines set out in referenced" . telstype. Harry Gold was present at his homo, having arrived during the, - _early morning of 1-lay 31, 1947, from New York City. It was noted that "Gold's parents are elderly and speak English with difficulty. They appeared to haveno detained knowledge oi their sons activities and inmediately called Harry Cold to aspeak to the agents. No attempt was made to interview Gold's parent-B
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is loyal to Brothman as his employs.Gold stated that the blue prints in question contained nothing extra-ordinary but that the reason he had previously believed som of the blueprints night still be in his possession was that one of the contained sdesign for a machine used in making a common plastic which was an unsuelly good design. Gold stated that he was convinced that the blue prints had beendestroyed in l94d when his family moved to their present residence.
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B, of J enies knowing GOLD other than casuallyP 3 ; gm,"-1 J1/1! _denies seeing or hearing from him. 1,.» by sine 19uo.1 gt ' _r[',-' -RU0- .*3 ADETIILS: Nil!-35 O O'9292 C 92 'W e 2 A ',_,~.92 __929||.92./ mar ueooml, ergeant, Niles, Ohio Police92 ',92-_§, _'---' 92!92. Department, advised that he has been acquainted 1.. Y; " a with zmzxsz. JOSEPH 1{cl!'ULLEN and his son, ewes '-Ii. 4%}, as, ' Ec!!U"LI_EN for over twenty years. He stated that <8» neither has a criminal-___record at the Niles Policew _,..¢/*-" 5 _/utations in the community-._as loyal American citizens. 1
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I .I .,/ JAMES WILLIAJJ Mchull-EN, 60 Linde Avenue, advised that If he was born July h, 1920 at Ioungstovrn, Ohio and sinceDES-rR0Y,ED,., / 1926 has lived with his father at "-{Iiles , Ohio. HeR47 DEC 14 19 fr graduated from McKinley High School , Niles, in 1938; * 5° e attended Xavier University, Cincinnti, Ohio, fry / ___,__?~ 2 _ 0 - 1 72 __ I J} _ _ 1_ . .APFIIOVID AND man ' ' - - i FORWARD , 7 i no mrr wnrriua -nus! rial, _ K/i a92
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the arren yto November, l9h6, and since the latter date has been employed by the hanical engineer. "Lombard Corporation, Youngstown, Ohio, as a mecMr llcl.IU1.LEN advised he lives with his father, DANIEL JOSEPH,and sister, ANN CATHERINE llczlllll-EN. His mother, CATHERINE Mc1.{U'Ll-EN, nee _Varley, is deceased and his brother, DANIEL JOSEPH, was _killed in action "with the United States Army Li! Corps on august 17, 19143 over Germany. 'Mr. uommn informed that he met mm com in the fall ofl93B in the Chemistry Laboratory at Xavier University. He advised that hewas a mathematics major but took two years of chemistry and struck up a He informed that he nevercasual friendship with GOLD as a fellow student. associated with GOLD socially while at school. He advised that he,E.-IcMULI.BN, lived in a dormitory on the campus and GOLD had a room somewherein Cincinnati. He stated that to his knowledge he never visited GOLD in ld t remember GOLD ever visiting him at thehis room and added that he cou no dormitory. l£c1mLLE-N stated that his knowledge of GOLD was limited strictly
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Yhe, IMMULLEN, has been in contact with since 19140.ucrmts stated that he had no reason to question the loyalty ofUni rsitGOLD during his student acquaintanceship with him at Xavier ve y.
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referring to Ins Alamos and Alamogordo.It will be noted that in these instances it appears that theDepartment is using a general description of the type of informationbeing furnished by Fuchs to Gold for the apparent purpose of avoidingthe use of the specific information passed. Inasmuch as this appearsto be a desirable objective and the Department has the factual description of the information passed, no comment is being made in tin
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In accordance with the sgreelent there reached, it isthought that inquiry should be made oi the Atomic me:-gy Gomiaeicn"regarding the classified character and availability for public dia-closure of the following information allegedly given hi! by Fuchsand furnished by Gold to Bureau agents in the couroe of their inter- ' -view with hill references to pagea Gold statement of lay 22, 195°!:
1. Iuche assignment _"with the British lieeion working -with the Ienhattan E'n5ineer'Project" . . . and! '". . . the mnpoaer set-up of the British group.
Peso 3!"They were working on the separation of isotopes, 'and . . . there was at leaat inpliedly the eventualutilization of the energy produced by nuclear ~. fission in thetorl of a weapon. Page 3!2.
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HARRY GOLD, VAS., ESPIONAGE R. HARRY GOLD ON INTERVIEW TODAYTHAT EITHER ON SEPTEMBER SIXTEEN OR SEVENTEEN FORTYFIVE HE CALLE ' M!moms 1.. auacx AT HIS 1225101-zucr: szvmmzxzu 0x1-"om: 51"., NEWARK, NJ. - .7 ';'TELEPHONE NUMBER BELIEVED 1'0 BE MARKET THREE FIVE szvgu our NAUGHTM74}AND REQUESTED BLACK TO TELEGRAPH HIM FIFTY DOLLARS CARE OF THE HILTONHOTEL, ALBUQUERQE_N:LBLGOLD ADVISED THAT HE RECEIVED TWENTY DOLLARSBY HIRE FROM THOMAS L. ACK AT THE HILTON HOTEL EITHER ON SEPTEMBERNINETEENTH OR TVENTIETH, FORTY FIVE. ALBUQUERQUE SHOULD CHECK RECORDSOF VU AT ALBUQUERQUE TO DETERMINE IF ANY PAYMENT OF TWENTY DOLLARS CANBE LOCATED TO HARRY GOLD WHICH PAYMENT EMANATED FROM THOMAS L. BLACK,NEWARK, NJ. SECURE ALL-INFO REGARDING THIS PAYMENT. CHICAGO OFFICESHOULD CHECK AT THE PALMER HOUSE AT CHICAGO TO DETERMINE IF ANY RECORDCAN BE FOUND OF A TELEPHONE CALL BEING MADE BY HARRY GOLD'TO THOMAS L. BLACK ON SEPTEMBER SIXTEEN OR SEVENTEEN, FORTYFIVE. THE CALL MADEBY GOLD WAS MADE AT THE ATTENDED TELEPHONE IN THE LOBBY OF THE HOTEL.CORNELIUS. '
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On the morning of June 6, 1950, Ir. Raymond llhsarty, of theDepartment, personally delivered the attached memorandum describing from 1--= _;,_._the statement of Harry Gold certain types of what appeared to be classified ' intormticn which Fuchs turned ever to Gold and requesting that we contact -the Atomic Energy Gunmission to ascertain whether information ct this type was 92,-restricted at the time Fuchs turned it over to Gold and whether the infomatimis of a nature that it could be publicly revealed at a trial at the present time.llr. whearty advised that Chief assistant U. S. Attorney Frank Parker,of the Eastern District oi New York, will present this matter to the Grand Juryin the Eastern District on Friday, June 9. Ir. Parker is caning down to Iashington92 tomorrow, June '7, for the purpose of going over the proposed indictment and to discuss with the Department the witnesses who will be used before the Grand Jury.Hr. Whearty advised that he would furnish us this morning with a copy of
the proposed indictment.- llr. Ilhearty advised that as it _I_l_O_!_§%_§Io_,,_92;l!_l8 _njitnesses__before__ths 1 Grand Jury will be Special Agent '1'. Scott _:nJ.';e_1-__eoo possibly Special Agent § jlichsrd Brennan. These are the two Agents who took the signed tatement from . Gold. llr. Ylhearty advised that possibly they night desire a representative or the' atomic Energy Oemnissicn to testify regarding the restricted nature oi the infome- tion turned over by Fuchs to Gold. In the event Ilr. Parker feels that ems - -corroboration ct Gold's story is necessary, no matter how slight,-it nay be deirsblep _: for Laboratory experts to appear to testify that the handwriting on the hotel
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..__.92 ;__ - 92]J- The question concerning the restrictive status oi the material set -iorrth1' in the attached memorandum from the Department will be discussed with the Manic-Energy Commission today for the purpose of ascertaining whether a representativeof the Atomic Energy Commission will be available to testify to the restrictivenature oi the information at the time Fuchs turned it over to Gold and whetherthe Atomic Energy commission feels that this intormstim, which is couched invery general terms, can nos be_ made public in the event the case comes to trial,
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OppellaInasmuch as a copy of the indictment was received subsequent toIr. Ihearty's perscnal call, it is attached for your inforni92ti.ono in analysisis being nade of this proposed indictment to see Ihether my suggestions should
be offered by the Burun-The Department will be followed tomorrow, June '1, to ascertlin theresults of the conference between Ir. Parker and Departmental officinlso
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stanza mar m ABOUT um: mglggn __g__£_'ru1._B Baum j1_'_B;A___1'_§E §B§ gucacsn 3;IN INDUSTRIAL Bsvmouacz on Bmmr or run SOVIET umon. cow s-rmtn "rung- ' - . .» L:an 1'01.» BRUIN nus F013 -eat. on 110 masons, POSSIBLY "B0111. AT 11115TIME BRUIN AS CONSTANU-Y PESTERIHG GOLD I-OR C0TRIBUTION§ AS HZNTIONE ABOVE mu co1.u.1'uoucn1' mu _BY 'n:1.1.mc BIB as us ENGAGED m nu_>us'rn_1m.=_"zsvxouasz ton ma sovxrr uruon THAT BRIJIR uouw nun PESTERING um.c_t_>1._13_ use sun mB'r_ABou'r nus rm: as _s§;_BB1-in Q-12131;? 'r_o -nu; 91j1j_1§r orgn. isusnu 5-gin gr jmz Pzuui. _§u§_B13_co. um smcr: HE Bnsmzn 1'o'oB1AmINF0_FR0;1;EI_CB-¬£&1"RlbIE<¬!E.8£1 Bgégibgaron sov 1;f3uB_1_{:%é%£m 92I_§H'.1'f£B. 1-o Buw: A DUPLICATE m mun. st L 1 I gx 3; £_?_av;§_s_[1_9?usor ms xrv as um. as A PENCIL ounxazou 1'1 AND mm couihcginfjagpfB? 1""; 1:: :;*,§:N;°.:*;§mmuR*@ yiwyw 5%i §§?1.§§ " m //I"% ' vnméi/'3
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mm W aw "*LT°LLBRF_1_11_.9¬.-Ii.¥?LF."El.-§.F.IFE. ._"$ 228.! mnssrvAND SAID THAT-HE THQEGHT_ITVA§AA_!ONDER§UL I§EA. IN LATE THIRTYSIEOR EARLY THIRTYSEVEN BRUIN SUGGESTED THAT GOLD MEET AN INDIVIDUAL IN , .i,,.._.-i----'- ---""-"¢- --.-.,-._..,--____,, ______.....-.,.-.- ' . -.. - 'WHOM GOLD MIGHT BE INTERESTED. GOLD ACCOMPANIED BRUIN TO THE APARTMENT ¢1.p ~ . - .--.--~'- -- -- -- --2£_AMAN UHOSE NAME HE CANNOT RECALL BUT WHO LIVED AROUND THENTIETH
on TVENTYSECOND AND gg._|5:gf1' s1-s_._,___1j1_1_;1._A. nus mm uggggg _§o1g__:1_-gar:
- - .-.----_,. ___' "-.--.- - ' O GIMBEL BROS. BUREAU OF STANDARDS, WHICH HAS TESTING ORGANIZATION SET UPTO SET STANDARDS FOR GIMBEL-S MERCHANDISE. GOLD RECALLED THAT THI5MAN TOLD HIM THAT THE TESTING ORGANIZATION WAS ACTUALLY OPERATED BY APRIVATE FIRM AND NOT GIMBEL BROS. GOLD SAID THAT THE REASON BRUINTHOUGHT THAT GOLD WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS MAN HAS THAT HE HAD SOME__'___.-_--___ __.. . ._ __ _ _ __ _ _ ___ _ . - .-_¢..aINFO ON A QUOTE MARVELOUS NEH FIBRE OR FABRIC UNOUOTE WHICH GOLD STATEDMIGHT HAVE BEEN NYLON. GOLD SAID THAT THIS MAN WANTED TO GO TO THE 92-4,---. --. -,-. ..__.._. ,..._.-..._-...-..----I~'""-"- - ¢:...----_ .sonf,-:___1f_ u:_§_1;9_u_ AND wonx THERE. sou: smrzn THAT an SUB_S_EQUENTLY AND "tact-FULLY BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF HIS SOVIET SUPERIOR PAUL SMITHWHO REJECTED THE IDEA. GOLD DESCRIBED THIS MAN AS ABOUT FIVE FT. NINE,
-v-- .92....92..-.._. ."_SLENDER BUILD, DARK HAIR, BROWN EYES, LONG NOSE, MARRIED, HIS WIFE BEINGA SCHOOL TEACHER. WHEN STEVE SNARTZ BEGAN ASKING GOLD FOR NAMES OF. - _ . -H-. _. ... -1...... _ _,_-.-- . , -_ . .._Q.-POSSIBLE RECRUITS, GOLD CONTACTED BRUIN AND OBTAINED NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS . __ _ _ . - ---...1--_....|-.-.._,.__ __ ___ __ _ ... .---- . - -- " -- --~ ----_FROM BRUIN AS HELL AS THEIR BACKGROUNDS AND SUBMITTED THESE NAMES TO »- - - _ ___,__.---...-..-_ ._'_. ... _ ..., _; ___ 92 -
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HIS SOVIET SUPERIOR SNARTZ. GOLD CAN RECALL §UT_ONE OF THESE NAMES AND
HAS yznv gaguz aapu THAT GOLD sA;n_Igg3_g; nncnnnzn Tn£_§aum T . 92f I .._ I .MW.. _ .M....@ .. A hOF TOHf3ACKSON A DRAFTSMAN OR A MECHANICAL ENGINEER, HHO HAS EMLOYED___ ,,.__WL. __ __ AIME, L__-»-_-~,_._",, H_H ~IN FORTYSEVEN AT THE BALDWIN LOCOMOTIVE WORKS. HE HAS OF ENGLISHANCESTRY AND HAS POSSIBLY A MEMBER OF THE FEDERATION OF ARCHITECTS,ENGINEERS CHEMISTS AND TECHNICIANS. DURING THIS PERIOD OF THIRTY I _ __ -___-_ _,SEVEN, GOLD HAS,HAVING EREQUENT CONTACTS WITH BRUIN AND THEY METPROBABLY IN THE MAIN PHILA PUBLIC LIBRARY ON LOGAN CIRCLE IN EITHER THEPERIODICAL ROOM OR UPSTAIRS. GOLD SAID THAT THESE MEETINGS WERE NOTSET IN ADVANCE BUT WERE ARRANGED FOR BY ONE CALLING THE OTHER BUT THATMOSTLY BRUIN UOULD CALL GOLD. SOMETIME IN THIRTYSEVEN BRUIN TOLD GOLD _-'_,__._--.-.. ...._.._.- _,__ _.. --__ _,_., __ _,__ _ _ _ _ ___THATWHEVNQULD LIHE TO ASSIST IN THE SOVIET ESPIONAGE AND THOUGHT THATHE WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE TO THE SOVIETS IN OBTAINING RECRUITS FORTHEM SINCE an xnzw PEOPLE wuo wan: nor own? TECHNICALLY rnaxuzn BUTALSO comnunxsrs. GOLD BR0Q§HI_jHISJIQmTHE ATTENTION or STEVE suanrz.-_..,.
IN A TACTFUL mnnuzn AND swnnrz INSTRU§TEDn§gLQ_IQ_OBTAIN ggosgnvxcanDATA ON snugn. gqpn SAID THAT HE anpau to uAy;g_§;3;gs_or MEETINGSu11n snu1u nunxwc wnxcn TIME as ostaxuzn BRUIN-S sacxcnouun nun IT was
_ __ -_-.' ___ _. ..--._.....-. _, -n- ..... ._,__,_,._.-Q -~ .. <4-..__._, --92. u-..... .__ _ -_.,. . _ __ON ONE OF THESE MEETINGS THAT BRUIN SUPPLIED GOLD WITH A BIOGRAPHI-CAL SKETCH OF HIMSELF AND WHICH HAS FOUND IN GOLD-S HOME WHEN IT HAS .. -- ' _.. . _-._._.-___ 'szancnzn nzczutnv. FINALLY IN run §55§y_§qy§ of THIRTYSEVEN, §wA3rzAGREED TO MEET BRUIN AND THE INTRODUCTION HAS MADE BY GOLD IN PHILA.GOLD CAN RECALL NO DETAILS WHATEVER OF THE INTRODUCTION. GOLDIDOES4 ' '
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AS A SOVIET AGENT. GOLD SAID THAT DURING THIS TIME BRUIN LIVED INTHE STRAWBERRY MANSION SECTION OF PHILA AND THAT HE LATER MOVED TO
THE WYNNEFIELD SECTION OF PHILA. GOLD RECALLED THAT IN THELATE_f§LLOF[HI3TY§I$H§mINTR2DUCED tupmns L: BLACK_T0 BRUIN AND TOLD
BRUIN THAT BLA ALSO WAS ENGAGED IN SOVIET ESPIONAGE FOR THE SOVIET__w_H- _ __ ___ _______, --,.cxunxou. gonn THINKS_TRAT_HE SUDSEQUENTLY INFORMED BLACK OF tars, atunxcn TIME as nsczzvsn A vxonawr UPBRAIDING on annex-s PART. cops saxn. _; M ___ __ __ _ __.. - -,.-- ,_- -,-Q--Q--92 ;_ .. -»..-92- --»- I -. ,-THAT AFTER HE INTRODUCED BRUIN AND STEVE+SWARTZ, HIS CONTACTS WITH BRUINBECAME VERY INFREQUENT AND USUALLY THE MEETING WOULD TAKE PLACE AT THEREQUEST OF BRUIN, WHO WOULD ASH GOLD FOR DONATIONS FOR THE COMMUNISTPARTY on sons FRONT. qpyn gggn gang §gg;§ SUPPLIED gig qxru aspur rxvzon s1x:uAq§§_§u;q§_§qLp runusn ovsa T0 nzs sovxzr SUPERIORS. SUB? szuuzur to ran INTRODUCTION or swanrz AND BRUIN AND UP UNTIL roRIYFOUR on ronrv FIVE, snuxn uas OCCASIONALLY ASKED GOLD 1r an was STILL . . __,_,-4-._ - .~_,.-92 - .-.,...- --p ~_ _ ___ __" r__ _ - - - 4 -. -Q--_ _- ..'-.., __CONNECTED WITH SOVIET ESPIONAGE AND DURING THAT TIME GOLD WOULD INTIMATETHAT HE WAS. BRUIN WOULD USUALLY ASK THIS QUESTION OF GOLD BY SAYINGQUOTE ARE YOU STILL WORKING WITH OUR FRIENDS UNQUOTE. GOLD STATED THAT11 IS POSSIBLE THAT BRUIN uszu THE EXPRESSION QUOTE dun BROTHERS UN-QUOTE OR QUOTE THOSE PEOPLE IN NEW YORK UNQUOTE INSTEAD OF QUOTE ':END PAGE roux ~P "--
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_,WHILE GOLD HAS LOOKING FOR WORK HE VAS TALKING WITH BRUIN IN PHILA.
AT THIS TIME conn snxn Tnsns Q55 A LOT of PUBL§§§TY_INNE§SPAPERS onDISCLOSURES MADE BY ELIZABETH BENTLY RELATIVE TO SOVIET ESPIONAGE-BRUIN ASKED GOLD IF HE QUOTE WAS SAFE UNQUOTEO GOLD TOLD BRUIN THATHE HAS AND THAT HE HAD COVERED UP HIS TRACKS VERY HELL. GOLD ADVISEDTHAT BETUEENTHE TIME_HE!A§ CONTACTED av AGENTS on nnv FIFTEEN, r1rTY~
R MKEEIVIE£BENN§I"H°sR;TALO GOLD SAID THAT BRUIN CALLED HIM AND SAIDI L f _1 1 AND THE nav pa conrnssznl 53 T§§§fYTVQ£"§}FIY£_H§ saw BRUIN AT THE
HHE WANTED TO MEET GOLD SO THE LATTER DID MEET BRUIN AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE
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GOLD-S WORK AT PHILA GENERAL HOSPITAL. DURING THE TIME THEY HERE TO-GETHERHGOLQ_ADVISED snuxu THAT HE was BEING OUESTIONED BY Two FBI
AGENTS. BRUIN WANTED TO KNOW UHAT ABOUT AND GOLD ADVISED HIM THAT
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LEFT DREXEL xusrxrurz nn nas BEEN EMPLOYED MAINLY av LABOR unxous.
GOLD STATED THAT IN ABOUT THIRTYSIX BRUIN PERSUADED HIM TO JOIN THE
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MEETING OR VISITED THE HEADQUARTERS. GOLD STATED THAT HE RECALLEDTHAT VHILE BEING QUESTIONED BY THE AGENTS HE HAD ADVISED THEM THAT HE
HAD GIVEN JACK BRUIN-S NAME TO THE SOVIETS AS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD
BE VALUABLE IN SUGGESTING POSSIBLE RECRUIT5 FOR SOVIET ESPIONAGE BUT
THAT HE HAD BEEN CONCENTRATING SO MUCH ON TRYING TO RECALL INCIDENTS
RELATIVE TO HIS ASSOCIATION WITH FUCHS, SLACK, GREENGLASS, SAM, JOHNAND HIS OTHER SOVIET SUPERIORS THAT HIS CONTACTS WITH BRUIN HAD CON"
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*"pi'eee nipapsr, ayparently detached Iron s poebt-sise notehooh, secured during :".s search of BLACK: :esidsnse,4snd lnozville tel dated Jul; 6, 1950. ' ' .
his pieee of paper, apps:-entILr detached tron a pocket-hiss loose lsainotehoeh, eantained several addresses, one oi which is "1. 0013, 5032 loudinot8t., Phile. Pa. Alhew requested Ilnomille to interview BIN! 1-egardlns this 'itensnd thentecnm-'6 it to the IBI Lahorratary fer eoqparisenvith 8IA¬I's m_ ' - _ _ A _.._._:_'. '1" "
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t he had used this address on only one occasion,ing in lobster, lee fork or Kingepcn-t, Tennessee.in for this ass-respendenee, hut helieved thatingldfllthathsvasneving, snlhadgivenlth-isinfm'Iation IABTII would no icnger ocntaet him at his Ifshster _w his Iingapm-t _ s, whichever the ease light have heen, ;__f _V '7, I . I _ _. '. . _ ..'It was jointed out to MAG! that he had 1:-evionely stated that he had -personally told Inll that he val noting trenlingeport, 'i'enmasee and thatthere sould appear to have heenno reason for hints have written to BAH!!!to tarnish this information. SLACK than stated that he was oi the opinicn vg .ms he use vritten to mam, using the com address, when he had lived " 5,
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