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"In early evening I returned by bus to Albuquerque early "
morning plane from Albuquerque to Kansas Gity. mere, __I had. to transfer
to atrainwhich tookme to Chicago and Iwenttrom Qhioago byway oi -
Raw Iork Central to New Irk. From New Iork I went to Philadel his
Dr. FUCHS had given me to _._§1_;,n New Iork Gity. To the best ct my
recollection, it was out beyond Jackson Heights somewhere in Queens .
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"Here again, I would like to repeatqnhat I previously said, that this
jumbled up method of travel was necessitated by the lack of iscilities
at that time and heavy travel at that time and was not intended as a
means or throwing anyone off my trail. '
This was the last time that I saw 1;-.'1='vcas or obtained information - -
"I made either one or two attempt to see Dr. FUCHS again at the home
of his sister. This strort was not successful in that he was still
in New lbzioo. After the possible second attempt which was in either
late January or early February, 1946, my scheduled appointment to re-
port to JOHN did not take place. This was to be at the Earle Theater
in the B:-onx,Naw York. I never saw or heard from JOHN again. v
"In summary, to the best of my recollection, Dr. FUCHS gave me infor-
mation on five occasions. Two times in New York in the Spring and j
Bummer of 1944, one in _Gambridge in very early 1945, probably January
sndtnioe in 8antaFe, the first time in June, the second time in late_ . .-. .»-,4
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tormation over toJOHN. -It is possible, although I doubt it, that SQ
received from me the first information which I had obtained from Dr. _
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During my association with Dr. FUD!-1S,_ SAM and MEN, I fully realised
that the information which Dr. FUCHS was supplying me and which I turned
over to SAM or JOHN was for the benefit of the Soviet Union. I also
surmised that the information concerned the separation of isotopes '
and the subsequent nuclear fission to release tremendous amounts oi ._
energy -even in the tom of a weapon, - I a ~
"I began the work of industrial spying tor the Soviet Union in 1956*, ~-
with the tall realisation of what I was doing. I thought that I would
be helping a nation whose final aims I approved, along the road to
industrial strength. Particularly, was I taken with the idea thatn.
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Jranced along the road as we know them here in the United States. I0 '
amplify, _I felt that the industrial set up oi a Nation which had only
very recently begun to get any kind oi a basin industry going, was so
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non-utilitarian but I was always assured that it was well received.
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1986 on was the possibility that in the event of exposure y family,
which had no idea, not even the very slightest, oi the work I was *
engaging in, would be completely and horribly disgraced-
"'1'his affair grew and as I imagine is the ease with dealings" of such
e nature, I got so involved that even had I wanted to, it would have
been extremely difficult to get out. However, I would like to quality
this last statement by saying, while on several oooesione I did desire
to onoe and for all stop doing this work, that I never once actually
suggested it to any of the people with whom I worked. The longest
break in all this time wasthe two year period when I went to school inCincinnati, 1958 to 1940. p . ~_ F _ _. -
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the Soviet Union obtain intormaticn that I thought it was entitled
to. ' I was troubled even by this, but I persistently put any thoughts
out of my mind and as I have previously eaid,'I was in so deep that
I was, to a certain extent, bewildered and didn't know what to do,
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actually had to plan to meet Dr, FUCHS or to transmit whet he gave -me to Qg, was to simply hlotout of my mind as well as I éould any
though a whatever on the subject. I hoped, as many people do, that
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"1 Iouldlike to state that so tar that I succeed in liseping this '
whole matter from my thoughts, that some of the feelings I h ve Juststated are more or lose recent, in the sense that-I.have on]/Z recently .
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"I would like new to makeas absolute a statement as possible concerning
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"Neither my mother, tether nor brotheir ever had the slightest inkling
that I was ever engaged in any work of such e nature, either industrial
espionage or the later affair with Dr. FUCHS. "This represented 8 con-
siderable strain to keep concealing £2-on them over so long a period, -
but I did eucceed by one maneuver or another and as of even this minute,
they have not the vagnest idea what went on. The sm-ne applies to any
people that I have known, and been in intimate contact with, and have
worked side by side 1rith,and have been close friends with, over the
period of the lest l4 years. This particularly applies to people
Iith vhom I worked either in industrial laboratories or more recently, '_
in medical research. " _ 4 _ _
The one possible exception to the above is my former employer and
acquaintance, ABRAHAM BROTHMAN, and while I sumised that he suspected
that x had gw mme»e to the Soviet Union, still he .
had not the slightest idea of my work with Dr. FUGHS. ,
"I read the above typewritten statement consisting of nine pages and '
have initialed each page and the corrections thereof inasmuch as all
my statements therein are true to the best or my knowledge and belief.
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"The entire idea of the underhanded win: required in no indnetrialand euhsequelilet spying wee always very repugnant to me. I always oon- .
when I waafxt left alone in the laboratory to work. I always looked
forward to J time when eueh actions as I have described in the bodyof this stqgment would no longer be necessary. I even ex;-vreeeed that _ »-
to thepeop with whom I has in contact, and they agreed. This is
not an attempt to shirt any of the blame for my actions away from me»
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. ' V ' On July 10, 1950, mm 001-Dlturnishedtthe following supple.-H
mental signed statement concerning his meetings with EMIL JULIUS KI-AU8 _
FUCHS to She T. BOOT! MILIER, JR" and RICHARD E. HRBNRAB: -
"I, HARRY DID, hereby make the following voluntary etatement to '1'. SOOTT
M1111?-R, _-JR" and RICHARD E. BRENNAN, who have identified themselves to
me as Special Agents or the Federal Bureau oi Investigation. No threats
or promises have been made me, and I realize that I do not have to melee
any statement, and any statement I do make may be used against me in 1 T
Court of Lam I realise that I haw a rimt to conneel. " ""' "
91 would like to add the following to the statement which I gave the,
above agents on Hay 22, 1950. The matter concerns an elaboration on» -
my various meetings with El-AUS FUCHS. ~ 1. T ' " '
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and was at the Henry Street Settlement on the Bast aide of New York.
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- I agreed upon mutually by KLAUS end myself, was on theorthsest corner .
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itself. Hanover, this bridge was closed to foot traffic during this -
period, end instead we walked along let Avenue, North of the bridge.
'- lie may have wslloed as far North as 75th Street, and we may have gone
hack to 2nd Avenue, and very likely we made at least several passages 11;"
on the dark deserted streets between let Avenue and aid, between 55th
Btreet snd70thStreet, . A .~ 1'. . _. '.4_ »
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in lleroh Of 1944» I recall this clearly, it-was still quite cold and
we both were overccats. This took place on Madison Avenue in the 70's,
. and we immediately turned" turned into one of the dark deserted side
walked ahead of KI-AUS and down 5th Avenue toward 75th Street end 6th
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- - . was to be at Queens, end at which a secondtrenefer of information was
to take place, and the exact details were arranged, After this I took
KI-AUB to dinner, it was a wet and somewhat chilled night for April,and
es Irecall, he hed shed cough, and Idid notwishto egcposehimto
the elements any more than was necessary. This whole procedure of goin
to dimer in a restaurant was against anything that we had previously
set forth as e matter of technique of meeting, but I felt that the circum-
stences justified such a deviation from the rules, We had dinner-at~, _, __,: " which we discussed s number of matters, including music and chess; it'- " wee also at this dinner thetne agreed that should either of us eve __heS
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Avenue, where approzdmetely 15 minutes later I turned over the information
to JIHN. Ere again the meeting was one of the hriefest possible duration, ;-
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j.="'=.~=-"1--; -- therewas the idea that at a subsequent time I would go to the tiles ofI s New York P8981, most liloely the New Iork Bun, and I believe I mentioned " <5.
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to which I took KLAUS to dinner was called Rosenheizs, and is diwei '
to Alexanders Department Store on Fordhan Road and the Grand Concourse. l
nasty -- I recall s cold drizzle was falling, we took a cab and went =
downtown to the neighborhood of the 80's and Madison Arenas. There is
" some possibility that it may have been the 90's and Lexington Avenue. We
went into s mall bar which also contained tables, and sat at one of these
. - r tables and had several drinks, Is then left the her. and put KLAU8 in a
cab. I now recall that the reason tor KIAUS taking the cab was that he
lived on the other side of Manhattan, and direct public transportation , _
, through 0entra1Pad: latest night is very difficult. After mww cab
had departed I waited for a raw moments until an empty oab cane along,
and took this to the Pennsylvania Station and than took the next train _
to Philadelphia. - "A
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in Queens, not too far from Qusensboro Pleas. I recall the event clearly
-because I got lost in the neighborhood of Queans' Plaza and had to take ,-
- packet of intomation, again consisting of some .25 to 40 pages. The total
- him, I walked rapidly further out in Queens, and than took an elevated»
train some distance further, possibly a ten minute ride. After leaving -
the elevated I was in the general area where I was to meet MEN. I still _
_ had about rive "minutes to wai and I recall stopping near a drug store,
and taking a glimpse at the information that KLAUB had turned over to me.
This was in s very small but distinctive writing; it was in ink,. and . , _ ,-
A consisted mainly of mathematical derivations, There was also further along T-1 in the report a good deal of descriptive detail» I em not 1°01: so the report
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minute with hardly a word said. lhe time off the meeting with EAUS
was about 7:00 o'clock in the evening, posghly somewhat earlier. lbs
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'_"Ihe sixth meeting with KMUS H3683 occurred in Brooklyn, and it was 7 ' 5:
somewhere in the area or Bore Hell. This was in June, 1944. -_, . _ . . ~ -__-l ._..
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some possibility that this sister who lived in Cauhridgs, Massachusetts,
he did not give me her name, however, might some to New York. He explsinee
to me that his sister was married and had two children, and that she was >
having great difficulty with her husband and that she was fully intending
to leave her husband and some to New York. Should this occur, ELAU3 told
ms that he would like very mush to be able to share an apartment with his _
sister. I gathered that he and his sister were vsryvclose to sash other »
and also the fact that KI.AUS'wss extremely fond of the children. KLAUS
told me that he brougfzt up the mattertecmzse he first wanted me to inquire
ot my superior whether such an action would he all right. I said that 1
I would make the inquiry. This conversation took place while we were f
walking sway from Bore Hall and turther into Brooklyn. I recall clearly a
that after this meeting I met .DI-IN, on the very same evening. The ' -
meeting with KIAU8 tool; place at about 8:50 and lasted tor possibly halt 92__
to three quarters of an hour, possibly even an hour, so that I met .1381!
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one with. KLAUS FUCHS, some transfer oi information tron KLAUB to me and thefrom myself to .DHN; however, I do not clearly recall such an event. I
do not recall much of the subject of my conversation with JIJHN, except I"
that he was extremely satisfied with the way that things were going and <_
that he left me after s very brief meeting of possibly five to ten minutes.
It is this brietness or the meeting with JJHN that makes me think that I
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but most likely in early July of 1944. This took plane near an art_:-museum ~
in the 80's, and on the West side oi 5th Avenue. Is went for a longmelk,
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to the Southwest. he thought um possibly this would be leztco, He
also told me at this time that his brother, GRHARD, was. now in Switserl
and was eonvalescing as a result ct having been only recently released .4
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he weeks, possibly three, after the meeting in Central Park in July;
this would place it about the and oi July 1944. The meeting was to occur
in front or the Bell Cinema, which is Just oft the Eastern Parkway in -7
Brooklyn and very close to the Brooklyn Museum oi Art, only it is on the
opposite side oi the Parkway from the Husemnq This meeting did not take
place, nor did a subsequent one which had been scheduled for such" an .
eventuality, on Oentral Park Iest,and somewhere about 96th 8_treet and
possibly somewhat above 96th. _ y s. ~ < A- . .
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area is very close to a section or New York where "mugginga" often occur,"
and also the tact that XLAUS was or slight build and might eeeman inviting
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in which we speculated upon just what the difficulty night he, Our
prinoipel trouble was to decide whether KLAU8, for some reason was unable
to keep the meetings, if he was still in New York, or whether he had _
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. _ ILAUS FUCHS, and that I suld, that very morning, make iaquiz-y92 at that _a-"H
_- _ p address as to whether KIAUS was. there. Toward this end I went some distance
' _ _ up town and in one of the railroad stations I purchased s book called "JOSEPH' TE PROYIIERJ which had recently beerrpuhlished and had been written by ii?
. THOMAS EARN. On the inside oover of this book I printed very legbly the 7';
10110171113, K. FUCH3, 138 Iet 77th Street, New York, Hal, which address
-DEN had given me. It was this book that I took with me to the address E
gnu. I recall, about a tour-story dwelling, used as an apartment house.
This building was on the South side ot_the street, I looked around outside
the building, and down a very short fligzt oi steps, and Just to the side _-:_§.-_:
of the door leading into the building was an old man whom I took to be a ' "
- Janitor; he was handling some rubbish from the apartment house, I believe I
that I made an inquiry of him as to whether KI-M13 FUCE lived there, but
he appeared somewhat puzzled by my question. I then opened the door and =
went into the vestibule. There may have been a very short flight of steps
leadingep to the vestibule, There to my gratication, shove the nameplstes,
I saw one reading, "Dr. mus 1*-uces' though it might have reed, In-. x.
FUCHS." I pressed the buzzer, but, there. was no ans'1rer,'and finally I -
opened the door le ading from the vestibule into the main hall; this door A _
was unlocked, I pent into the main hall, along the first oor, looking 5
for the apartment which as I recall had been given alongside the naneplata
as being l-E or l-_-F, there is some possibility that it may have been l-D!.» As I walked along the vestibule a door opened, either in the very-apartment
where KI-AUB was supposed to liw or possibly in ,the one alongside it, andThis meeting took place on a very early Sunday morning, I would say about J, , -.5
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he or she who told me that Dr. FUCHS was no longer l6I90 On further e v
questioning, when I asked how I could get in touch with him, they said that "
they did not think that I could; that he had left town for "somewhere on
- a host," I than explained to them that I was a friend of Dr, FUGIB and
that I had merely wanted to return this bookvhich he had loaned to me, I "~
did not deem it wise to make any mrther inquiries at 128 lest 77th Street, ~
but I do recall the Janitor and the woman, who I believe was his wife, talking
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Golumhia University. I told JJHN about the results of my investigation ~
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address with the hope that 11-, would he forwarded to FUCHS. 1 believe that ~: " *our conclusion eras that such a procedure might be too risky as it might
involve an awkward explanation on KLAU3 part to the authorities, who _
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again discussed at length the matter of getting in touch with KLAUS FUCHS,
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our best line or inquiry. . Q .-. ,, - ' "
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told me with great glee that he had ascertained both the name and the
whereabouts of FUOHla siater. The name that he gave he vraa that or lire.ROERT serge and the address was merely Oanhridge, Hessaehuset¬5",'_"I-_ 5,
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I arrived there very early in the evening and recall looking up the address _
of ROBERT IEINEMAN in the telephone directory. This was, as I neoall, 1_44
L Avenue, in Cambridge. I went to this address and the-
entire street was dark .as well as the home where the HEINEMANS lived. Hon-
ever, I knocked at the door and a moan answered. I inquired tor ll:-s. '
HEIHBMAN andthe woman replied that the HBINEHAN8 were still away on their
vacation and were not expected back until sometime in October. I gathered
somehow that the woman was a housekeeper or some sort. I believe thatthe
woman wanted me to leave my name and address, but I think that I merely
said that I would calla again sometime in October and that the matter was '
not very important." I gave no indication that I was from o1:1_tLo£ town.
First I returned from Boston to Philadelphia, and then several days later
I met JOHN in New York and told him about the results oi my trip. Hp was
highly pleased that we had succeeded in locating lire. HSINBMAN, and we
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of paper or a card inclosed in an envelope, sad on this piece of paper §=1
were the following instructions: There was given the name or a man and a
phone number, ,__I believe th the __£irst nsue began with a 'J" and that the
last name was something li UN, but I an not very certain "on this
int at all Also on the o r was the information that BLAZE P9 0 ' ,was to call the phone number Qiven, on any morning between . 1
the hours or 6:00 and 6:50, and was to give the iollowing message: lierely
to say, "I have arrived in Omnbridge md-will be here for -- many days.
This message was printed by me in engineering lettering, but-the details
were given to me hy_-Q, Also, the message was sealed in the envelope.
As I have said, I arrived in Cambridge early onaweekday morning and some-; *
time in early November of I944. The reason for my making the trip during
a" weekday, -and the reasonior arriving in the morning, was the recollection 5;
I had of e warning from -DEN that it would be inadvisable tobe at the 1 -
HEIHEMAH home while ROBERT HEINEMAN was there. The trip took place as I
have indicated, lid as it was planned» I arrived in Boston on a weekday
morning early in November. I then went directly to Gembridp, and at 144
Lslcsview Avenue, walked up to the door and rang the bell. it young womanappeared, somewhere in her very early 30's, and I asked tor .She said that she was Mrs. -HEINEMAN." I told her ftbat I was a riend or
KLAUS FUCHS, and for a moment she seemed somewhat puzzled, _and than she
said, "Oh, yes, by any chance did you oall-sometime in September when we
were-uni!" I said, "Yes, I an the man." I entered the house and aayed _v
there for possibly halt an hour. ,_I noticed that there were two children y.
there, the oldest mes boy called SIEVE, and I recall a very small child,
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since they were very close and KLAUS was very fond of the children. She
may, at this time have indicated that at some prior time ELAUS visited I
Oanbridgse I told her that I had met EL-KUS in New York, and that m had
'become.very firm friends, and that I just happened to be on business in
the Boston area and had thought that Iwould stop by an inquire for mm.
Hrs. HBINEHAN told me that KLM38 had been transferred somewhere in the -
Southwest United Btates, but that she expected him home about Christmas
time. I believe that she indicated that she had received several letters
from him. She said that she thought that he would oertainly be home shimt"
Christmas, as he usually made a great event of bring presents for the
children. I told her, that my plans tor the future and my whereaboiits were
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I than returned to Philadelphia, and some days sobaequent, possibly a week
or so later, reported the results of my mp to JDHN. at this time I 1-eeaiiwe made an emergency arrangement, whereby JOENEiT.Tget in tcuchwlth no §
should this other party, the one with the phone number in lie1mattan,_ 7"advise QDHN that FUCHS was now in Ganhridge. Thin emergency arrangement, _ I
which would even at that have involved the passage of eeveral days, was 1-
never used, and instead, in the first week in January 1945, JOHN called 'me shortly before 7:00 hell», on s weekday morning, just as I was getting
ready to leave for work; with acme difficulty he described to me the tact -
that he was in a gasoline etation, near what I finally detemined to he l
Oxford Circle section ct Philadelphia. JOHN wanted to know if I would come
down there an meet him. I did so. It waa a very snowy morning, I recall
it well, and JOHN was wet. Ye got on the oar again and went down to the
terminal in Franlctord, where JO!-IN told me that he had Just the previous day
received notification that FUGBB wee now at Cambridge. Be also told me at __
that time that-the reason he had not used the emergency meeting wee that.
he had some other affairs to attend to which would have taken him out or I
New !ork,end where he would have been unable to get in touch with me. B
then told me that I must, as econ as possible, arrange to go taGa'nb:-idea.
I did so. I believe that I not MEN on a" Tuesday or Iednesdaw, and that
I arrived in Oaubridge on moat likely a Friday. I went directly to the - -
HBIKEHAN home, this was in the morning, and when I knocked I was admittedby, I believe , a servant girl. HAUS was there and welcomed me. gs, . "QIIEIIAR left after a few minutes and excused herself, saying, have55 pi up the children from the school. BI-ABS asked me to go upstairs '
with him to his -room which was the front one looking out on the street, and
we sat there for possibly 15 or 20 minutes, during which time the tcllcwing
took place: H-A03 told me that he was located at an atomic energy experi-
mental station which was called Lcs Alamo: and which was located some 30
miles away tron Santa Fe, "aw llezice, He said that Lca Alanna had once
been a very exclusive boys' school, and that there was nothing else in
that area. The nearest habitation ct any kind was Santa Fe. Be told ne ..
that he was getting along very well there , but that he was strictly limited -in regard to being able to leave Ins Alamoe. He said that it had onlyrheen '
with the greatest difficulty and due to the fact that he hall gotten a hit
ahead on his work, as regards the rest oi the group! that he had been
able to wangle time oi! to come to Cambridge. I had, previously, that is
on the occasion or my meeting with JOHN in Philadelphia, been told oi an
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or set or instructions; When I mentioned the jzropcsed meeting the ' -;=
Gxarles River to UAUS, he told he that s'uch1touJ.d be impossible; that he "92
1as'oertein that itiwould be a very long time, possibly even a year, before
he could again leave Alemos, and that the next meeting would have to
- take place in Santa Fe. We discussed this matter at some lengths; I believe
that RIMS told me that about April he would again Imvfinfonnetion rs» no,
but I told him that I could notpcssibly get to8enta Fe in April. we 1
finélly set a date which was very early'i.n'Jime, and we also set the met
hour, which es I'reca1l, use 4:00 o'clock in the afternoon of the first 1 . .;
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have been the housekeeper who called the child heckfdh any event the child
ms oalledewey. There also occurred the following scents: - It ,
"As a Glriétnes present I gave KL-MB e wallet of theftery thin dress or ' "-
opera type. Also, I had been given the sum of $1,500.00 by JOHN with
instructions to give it to KIAUB, but that I must proceed very delicateli -
in this last matter so ee not to offend him and thét under no oi.rcumstance
must I'insist upon or make an issue oi"this matter. RLAUS did accept the
wallet, but locked somewhgt bewildered, and when I made some very tentative
inquiries concerning whether he needed any money either tor himself or
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to him the $l,500uO0, saying that I had made some tentative inquiry, bait
that KIAUS FUOIB had responded so violently that I deemed it inadvisable
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and in very late Hay oi 1945, on a Saturday after-nomi, I met JOHN in a
bar near 42nd Street and Srd. Avenue in New York Qity. I Believe it was --
actually the Southwest corner or 42nd Street at 3rd Avenue. JOHN verified
the fact that I ms going om the trip"¬_nd we made arrangements £or s meeting
in New York on my return Iran Santa Fe, The actual place of the meetingwas to b_einBrook1yn§ - ' __ __ '-
"I left Philadelphia and went by train'to Chicago, just Eboutthe end oi -
May. Tran the Union Station in Chioa o, I wmt to tlie Deaz-born Station, _and managed to obtain space an uppeai to Albuquerque, New Mexico. I _ I
would like to state here that I had been told by JOHN to use a very "
circuitous route which involved goingeround ilbuquerque and into Arizona, 1
and thezfgoing from Arizona to El Peso, Teocas, and'then rran EL Peso to
Santa Fe. However, I was extremely short oi money, and had to watch that
I had very carefully, and such a trip was completely out of the question.
Also, there was the matter of time; it was only with the gi-'eatest difficulty
and mly at the last minute that I had been able to arrange to take part _
of my vacation that early in the 'year."I recall that the train that I ' ' ' -3
took did not go directly to Albuquerque, but stopped at Clovis, New Mexico;
there we took a coach attached to a shunt engine, for a distance of sane
25 to 30 miles into Albuquerque. I'wou1d alsolike to add that KIAUS had
advised me'that getting off at Lsmy, New Mexico, sane 40 miles i£-Em
Albuquerque, that I ooulcféet direct transportation into Santa Fe," without '
rst going to Albuquerque. This lest I had deemed inadvisable, as I thougat
that the only people going to Santa Fe would be those connected with the l
atomié enemy pm act and they migst wonder who this stranger was in their
midst. Very likely, I deaned it certain that most or these people going
tron Lsmy to Santa Fe, would be in uniform. I arrived "in Albuquerque in
the very early afternoon, just shortly after 12:00 o'clock, and inquired
the my to the bus station. I believe that either K1;-AUB had told me that
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Santa Fe line. I I took the bus to Santa Fe, and arrived there about 2:50
in'the afternoon. I had considerable time to spare until 4:00, and to?
avoid drawing attention to myself, I went as any ordinary"tourist would, -
to the rather large historical museum located in Santa Fe; '11'Iéi-e'I io- .
quired about obtaining a map'o£ Santa Fe, aiid they did give me one _
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did not wish to eel: the way to the Castillo Street Bridge and have
any one in Santa Fe remember such an occurrence. I located the Castillo _.1;_;___r
Street Bridge on the map, andwent there promptly at 4:00 o'clock. KI-N13arrived there poeeibly two or three minutes late, during which two or
threeainntee I becene extremely uneasy, as the area around the Castillo
Street Bridge wee extremely epareely settled. He finally cane along
along alanede Street, a gravel road, and driving e dilapidated old carp ' .
e two eeatero He parked the car and we went tore walk, during which time
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"EH83 told no that he was getting along very well with hie work in lee
Alanna, and told me that he did not, however, believe, am! that wee a
reiteration of hie etatement which he had made several times before, once
in Cambridge and at, least once or twice in New York, that the atomic energy --
project would be completed in sufficient time tor use in the war egeinet
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hard, practically day and niézt, and that he hineelt put in en average --,;.~_i . A
of tron l8 to 20 hours e day, Us made arrangements tor the next meeting, ;
which JKLAUB eaid ehould he eometime in August, but I demurred, and we . 3 11,,
finally eet it tor the 19th or September 1945- g ,.' 7
.,- .I: would like to state here that the date oi the first meeting end the
one that I an new diecueeing in Santa Fe, wee on the first Saturday in _ _' "
"me final occurrence wee that KI-BUS gave me e considerable packet oi
' information There should be added one more thing, and that ie that
meow insistence on e meeting in late August, l945, may have been doe 1. '4
to the tact that he had mentioned that some important development wee to
take place daring August, but be did not indicate what this development
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day, that is Sunday. I believe that in the com-ee oi searching for e _
- hotel room, I regetered at the Hilton with the understanding that chould
a room become available they would cave it for me. During the e1ening"'I' '
made inquiry at practically every other hotel of any size in Albuguerqne .
. including one that I recall, the San I'l&!1¢I.800o Finally, about l2:OO o'cloe
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A1bcqcerque,'0entral Avenue, which hid been temporarily converted into a -wrooming house. The only space thgjbase people. me, and I with alrricuiwtalked these people into letting P stay there ,'was in the hallway on the 3?;
second floor or this home, where'_jna92uestd.tt screen was put up around a -cf"-.
very rickety cot. I cpent the nigat there, and late the following ai'ter- ;
noon, about 6:00 o'clock, took the train tron Albuquerque to Chicago. Bare
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space I could get was from Chicago to Iaahington, Sven co, that was
cheaper than going by train if:-on Chicago to New York or Philadelphia. " . N
Acoordinal-7; I went by Plane to Iashinztn. and arrived there about Fae
4:50 or 5:00 in the afternoon, and than took the Pennsylvmtla Railroad - ,;
train from Iashington to New York. About 9:00 o'clock in the evening pv
and somewhere in the area ci Metropolitan Avenue in Brooklyn, and where "
Jhtropolitan Avenue approaches Queens, I met JCHN and turned the information
over to him, that is, the information I had received from KLAU8 FUCPB. _' .
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"lb last meeting with KLAUS FUCI-B occurred as scheduled in Banta Fe on e.
September l9, 1945. Again I had the usual difficulties in preparing tor
this trip, first the matter or money, and I did a considerable amount ~ ;_;___
at borrowing toward this end, some of it at the very last minute. Also1'»
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cut at the Palmer House and went again to the Dearborn Station, where
I had earlier in the day obtained epaoe to Albuquerque. I arrived in
Itlbuqcerque early in the week, possibly on a ineeday or Iredneaday, and 1
re§.stered at the Hilton Hotel. I used the name "HERE GOLD, the sane
which I had used at the Palmer House. From Albuq nt to Santa
-Fe, and very late in the afternoon, about 6:00 o'clock, met KLAUS FUCHS. - -'
this meeting was on the o_utskirts of Santa Fe, and was near a large church, '
"For the first time in my association with FUCHS he was late for a '
meeting which occurred, and by late I mean that he we-~.e Sully twenty or»- .twenty five minutestardy. He did come along driving from outside ea! ~
Santa Fe in the direction of the city itself. He Bltgfldilldd to he _at he
was very sorry about not being punctual, but that he had great difficulty,first in obtaining the use or the car, and secondH,»in being ahle to get
may from hie triendsewith whom he worked at Los amos, "He also explained
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= ~- ' while he was driving away from Slate I'o and up into the surrounding hill 1
- occurred, and that, frankly, he had not been too certain that the project _
- ' might not have been abandoned before it was completed, and that certainly
" he had grievously underestimated the industrial potential of the United
- States in being able to complete such s gigantic undertaking. Be was "
also greatly concerned by the terrible destruction which the weapon had _
wrought. He told me that whereas, before, the townspeople in Santa Fe
had regarded them, the people of Ins Alenos, as a sort of "boondoggling"_,,
outfit engaged in work which they could not comprehend; that now they
- ' were hailed on all sides as conquering heroes, and the townspeople were
now very friendly to then, lie also told me that the relationship between
the Blfltish mission end the United States, which once had been extremely
no longer the free exchange of information between the two groups. Be "
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I believe that KLAUS said his father had for a time lived in Switzerland 1'
during the war, taking care of one of his grandchildren who had been
orphaned by the death of its parents in a German concentration camp. Ih
any case, KLAUS was concerned because he told me that his father was very '
old, and was given to talking rather freely about his on! past, meaning_ ' KLAIB's activities in the Communist Party in Germany in the years 195% -'
_ and 1953, EAUS told me that as for as he knew the British had no i -ing
,1 about his past es it related to his Communist activities, and he was -
";"-'_-__-_* ' anxious that this continue so. he told me that the British intelligence
_ r V A man had also mentioned that it might be_ possible to bring KLAUS' father
' to England, and again HAUS was concerned, lest hi_s rather inadvertently
let drop some hint as to 1CLAU8' past. He was also very muchconoerned
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of the party was to celebrate the successful use of
- atomic energy in the fem of a weapon. KIAUB also told ma, and this occurre-"lg;
' and desert country, that he himself was rather awestricken by what had ""-ii
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-- him return to England where he would again resume work on Atomic Energy,
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to which the old men would talk and also the extent to which the British
might be interested in HMS pest. I could see that RIMS was also very g
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The following arrangement was made with RLAUS F0688 tor meeting him again I ,
should In be trsnsisrred to Greet Britlto Starting with the first Beturday _
in e given month, which month was to be detemioed from inquiry st KLAUS1 -
sister's and the meeting was to take place in England as soon as it could
be arranged for someone to meet KL-MB there. To amplify, neither of us
had any idea as to how soon we could dstemine from KI.AUS' sister when he ff
would actnelly leave, or had left for Britain. So that a month after KLAUS' "
arrival is England, and on the first Saturday, these meetings were to begin. :
1'he time was to be 8:00 PAL, and the place was in London at s tubs express ._
stop which contained the word "Crescent," and may have been something like
"Paddington," or Weddington," Crescent. The meeting was to be above the
tube on the street, and the reoogrtion signal was to be the following: " ' ~'2'.
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In one hand the person meeting XLAUS would have five hooks boundntogather
by e tight string. These books were to be carried by e couple of fingers
hooked under the string. In the other hand the person was to have e book
containing the outside Jacket of sensor rzarvs book, popular at that time, -_
and which contained a large collection ct anecdotes. The hook Jacket had, >1
I believe, .e yellow and geen design on it. I can not recall what KLAUS
was toihave used for s recogzition signal, beyond the fact that the person
meeting him would have a_ complete physical description of KLAUS FUCHS. lhe -_ 1_
other point about this meeting with KI-ABS FUCHS was that he mentioned thbt
he had attended the first explosion of the bomb at Alamogordo, New llexico,
and he also mentioned to me that the people back at Lee Alanos told of
having seen the flesh even though it was raining and the sky was overcast.
There was also provided for the oontinpncy should KLAUS be in Oembridgelater that year. He said that py case to be able to again
spend the time around Christmas ___gj§_fmily in Cambridge, and
that the best was or sscertaining his whereabouts was to melee en inquiry
shortly heforethat times This meeting took place as I have said in ' ._' , _
the hills surrounding Santa Fe and was e {sir distance sway, because below * 1
us I could barely see the lights or Santa Fe in the distance. HMS d1-Five"
ms into Santa Fe and just on the outskirts oi the central ares of the town, ,
The "last event that transpired before KLMJS dropped me off in Santsfe, 3 - '
on the outskirts oi the central area ct thctown, was that ;H.AU3 gave ms
the packet oi information relating to atomic energy. This was in accordance '
with our procedure, whereby no information was to be passed until such '_ -
time that we were ready to part. After a period or anxious waiting, about
en hour and shalt, I finally obtained s bus going back to Albuquerque.
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_. early in the morning, possibly 2:80 A,ll., I was "infcmed by the airlines ____ N
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the Airlineis limousine, and mnt to the Albuquerque Airport and I!-HI
' * there by plans to Kansas city. M haw W1 I "I f°"°=1 W lam» and :~, .4..;;_:.,- from there I took s day coach" to Chicago, arriving late in the evening. '
I Just managed to catch a train leaving La Selle Btrest Station and going '.;_;,' to New !01k| I rode part ct the way until the morning in the day coach, "
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person the intonation which ELAU8 had given me, tor the next few days.
Actually there was one meeting with DER phich did not occur simply hecsnsq_. "
I was tar too rushed for time to keep such a meeting. It was all that I 1 .1;
could do to accomplish this trip to Santa Fe and hack. I did meet mm
some days later after my return to Philadelphia, md the place was in
Queens, New York, and was somewhere between Jackson Heights and 1_*lushing, ..-5
and also somewhere in the neighborhood ct the "elevated line that runs - '*
through Flushing. There I transferred the information which RIAU3 FUCHS
had given me to 1!!!-11!, Since this last meeting that I had with KLAU3 FUCHS, ~
' in September oi 1945, Ihawe never seen nor heard tron him again. .- -. :?;»
'1 would like to set out the conversations I had with KIAUS FUGI§',.ccncerning_
his work for the Manhattan Engineer Project. ' ' ' -
"On one occasion, and I believe this to be on the occasion oi our ionrth _
J meeting, that is, the one where we haddinncr st Rosenheinh Restaurant,
EL-M18 toldjne that the atomic energy project was being pursued, or was " _- going to he pursued on a very large scale as rsgoerds the separation ct the
necessary isotope of uranium, somewhere in the utheaatern United States,
md he thcughtipossihly that the location would he in Georgia or possibly
even Alabama. Also on the occasion or our last meeting in New York, this ~
was the seventh meeting and occurred daring s walk in Oentral Park, KLAU8 "=1
told me that the place where he expected to be transferred was somewhere »
in the Southwest, and he thought most likely in Mexico, not New llericor ' "
Further, on the occasion oi this meeting n.0entral Park, KLAUS told me 'that the Danish Nobel prise winner, NIl5!éOHR, was at present in thiscountry under the name oi NIGHIIIAFAKBR. KLAUS said that obviously the
, pseudonym NIOIDLAB BAER was hein used because too many people might ~ _ .
recall that NILE BOHR was the discoverer of the commonly accepted HOPE " 4;.
- . _ - Theory ct Atomic Btrmture, and might relate this tact to the circmnstsncs =
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from, or which he wanted to go along with written information, I made - '_
good mental notes of such data and at the first opprotunity I put this '
materiel in writing, and later handed it over to JOE!» The verbal in£or-nation which HAUS gave me was such as the fact concerning concerning H118 .
DOE! being in the country under the name IIIGIDLAB arm; the information 1 --_ W1
concerning the location of the atomic energy project on a large scale,
involving gaseous diffusion in the"8ontheastern United States; and the 'information" concerning the tact of the location ct a large scale experimental
station in the Southwestern pert of the country, possibly even Mexico, which data I later reduced in writing and turned over to JON - u __ . " »'..-
"I recall that on the occasion 5: the sixth nesting
Bore Hall in Brooklyn, that DEN had given me several typewritten pisses
ct paper about three by nine inches, or irregular size , which had contained
a number or questions relating to atomic energy. The phraseology ct these
questions was extremely poor, md I had great difficulty in making any _ "
sense out of them, For example, in place ct the word "installation" the
word "factory" was used; in place of the word techniques or methods the
words "I-{onto make out" were used. fi - _ '
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I believe that the original message was probably more accurately phrased,
' "but that either in coding or in translating, or possibly both, the person
who had done such probably had no technical background whatever, possibly
being on the level oi a clerk, and as such, the msssap had become badly
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oecaaion of this meeting in Brooklyn, began to tell IIAUS about whet ' j
further information was desired. rem not get very fer along this course
because UAUS seemed to take offense at being instruoted and said very » -
briefly that he had already covered all or such matters very thoroughly, _;' ~
and would continue to do-so.___ e. ;' = .; .5 ' . '
I further believe that on the occasion of our rst meeting in Santa 1'e,
New lbzieo. oarlyin Jone, 1945, KLAU3 told me that among the data he had
given me vas a sketch or the atomic bomb itself. I did not, however, inepepifar
thin material, so I can not say whether there was any such, but I do reoalli '
clearly FUCHS? statement to that effect. I - -_ ~ - _.-_ . _I I . . ...r-1.5%
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bet1Ieen,KI.AUS FUCHS and me was that of two firm friends. Further, on the
oooasion or the lest meeting in Santa Fe, KLAUS expressed the hope that
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Socialist Studont Group which was a omrzppo organisation at. tho Univ '1.-I, .t:__._ -are ty . »of Borlin. IRANCK stated that following political meetings hold on~tho _ K , ,
campus the Free Socialist Studont Group would usually hold a muting -and pthat an individual named FUCHS was introducod at ono of these meotinga an
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._ -I-i8tud_'ent;Groupa on that campus ino1ud.i'ng'the use of phy'ei.c'el resistance _
fji! neceesery. Insofar relationship with Bommunist groups, FRANCE eteted
.,. the FreeS9cia1iet Student Group was an entire13_diiiemnt organization, '
-had separate, headquarters and '1ee.dership,- but nevertheless the program of -"
. the two groups called for limited cooperation fr_egarding epsci!io "issues on the . '
- -' cempue._ lie "cited for exanple.'that the Bani groups -'et__one time tried to disband
-1A a nesting and were armed with the famous "fratemityeticke and because of this
, - activity the _I-z-ee'7Socialist Student.GAroup and the Oqmunistgmups had to -
' . cooperate. FRANCK stated that all liberal groups--that is _Cat lic, Jewish, andmnocratio were on one aide ae opposedto the Haai*gz-oupe ; __ _ , '» ZY:
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_that'it was his impression that he came from Kiel, Germany, was not a Berliner,. and may have been attending Median], School at the University of Be:-$6 . '-
'FRAR'C1{ advised he readthe newepaperacoounts of the arrest'of'KLAU ' CBS .
_-_ end the information concerning his family butthat he had failed to notice any -- '
_- relationship. He went onto etate that he-did not personally meet the _ - » e '
- FUCHS who was-on the Berlin cqmpue in, l933._ FRANGK continued that he sew - -
' FUCHS two or three time at ¬@se neetingeand recalled he had a blonde girl * _ _
friend who could have been his sister. 1 He further recalled. that -she was 2 , '
N thrown into jail by the} Gestapo. FRANCE! advised that the Free Socialist Student .
~._ ' Group was not affiliated with the Socialistfarty of Germany. It is to be
. noted that KLAUS FUCHS was a member of one of the student groups or the -' "
Socialist Party oi_Ge1-many. . .7 ~ ' . . _
~' _' - '__FRANGK continued that. -he was .a_ etudent of law at the University of - .
_ Berlin and ea such was a member oi _a-campus group which tried to92he1p_ e
- foreigners at that time._ He said-hewaa approached with the request. to do 's
1'avo_r for some foreigners and that a foreign lawyer was" in Berlin at this - I5d_,.:_~§l-.;§ .5. l,
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_ timeto defend some-people and they needed an interpreter and one who who -
f -- teniliar with -law. FRANCK necs_l1ed- the narim ' _____§BEY aean individuala _;;__' from Bulgaria who came to defend a'Bulga_rian citizen. FRANCE eaid that ~
: introduced D_E_'1'CHEV to the prison guard where the'Bu1gar1ane.were'be_i?ng held' and translated DETGHEWB request to the guard. FRANOK edv'18ed't1§8}t h;ef.héd"- Si 4
;;. -tedejaosit ten Beichsnarks on behalf of his appearance es an interpreter.- "'3; 80- stated that the "day after he'ha_d acted as an interpreter,'hewas arrested =.- '
-due to the atatemont by a Nazi student-_ that. he wee ac French spy. He -said" --.,_ ..-4 »-_ the arrest was in July, 1933, and that around Christmas or 1933 he wae _§ --I"? jtaken-out of his prison cell and _cha.rged' outright with having been an L A ._. _ . =- . .__ ___ _~ _ M 3 ,1 A -,__' "'1-= 3339.5.-at, °£ m m5 .'h° 39$ tn R35-¢h5taG'f17~'."' v L -'i-1.-;.j>;i:;.--1I.:s!':.£ *-:.;.s'}";".'_T..*..;.-irisQT-.+.*..:;;-:¥_.=:-5.1.. ».-*~ .I..~'=. -.-. . -1. A-4:-.~ ;~*'.>?'.i-if-;_-:?f: . 1.:-_. -
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_v'ff"gbtaining his Doctor; degree in international private law; He recalled _' .
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fighting theliazia who were in Switzerland at the time ha therefugeeo had, »-'
~ _. . In July, 1936, the assistance 0: maotxdfxnm -' - * '~.. n-pm u-w_"m~k rmcx was aided in loaving Switzerland ind coming to 1.5» United '_
States. He said that !!rs.'*HHIT!lE! had come to Switeerlmd at the time, that _ j».
"she was a PH,D.j1rom Columb_ia,an_d had beei-1a£r'iend -of . _,e FRANCK tandly .oinoe 1927- Furtherithat she was "tho Egg!! 95.050 _.' _ , ,e ohemist_ " -
in New York and tho brother of EWARQ A _ AIBKX; the latter being connected
with the Joint >Anti'-Fascist Refugee" Committee. .FR_M_lCK stated that GEORGE ' Y
BARSKY did not see eye to eyeith his brother 'FRANCK'continued that
lira. WHITNEY ,~ who was on Economist, introduced him to p_ro,£'essors at 0olumbia_- University as hi [was interested in becoming an Economist. He recalled ~ -
professor WES _ ' 1'GHE_LI.; as one to whom he ves introduced. o -"_ '_ '
. _ With -5...; to "am .1... of r.ri8n£m kmrgxus, mm épléimd um.
pwhen he was a ohild -hid father had culled him ELM! so it was more orless the A-
German equivalent to calling d chi1d'a-little fellow. FBANCK paid his father .'
had suggested the luae of the pseudoxzqin PETER KLAUS in 'th'e92 event he ever ._ .
appeared publioilly :9 place in order that he would not jeopardize himself be-' "
ouuae of his anti-Nazi not-ivitiea in Germany. ' - = _- I ' " ~
- , _ .FR.9.NGK stated that Dr. Emlfl is": foroteasordof at the 'Brandeis University, Halthem, n.......amf.,i mi am been 15 m. United 8......
since 1938. la. Asdidithet Dr. Bum ego? 41:5 oonneoted __wit.h one Longy s¢m.~.¢1- -» 3'o£_1 uoio at_,Camb_ridge,- Massachusetts. FRANCE said he visited Dr.~.BQDKY in '
Cambridge at one time and there was no oonneotion _between BODKY "and the . ~ -I
_HEI_RE!_4A?8who lived on Lekeviewohenue i_n"G_aznbridge_-I as did BODK!..- ' I-. ~-. o A 1 "-1 Y 1/.92'.'5;,T »_' ._l"i»'1~[' '¢f.:g7% ' FRANGK continued that the '1esT%g§e %me. hr -
Bnited Federal Workerd before it merged with the Public Workers and became _
the United Public Workers Association. He said that in l9h6_he_e.tte1_':ded e 92
meeting" et which time he Wes worki8 at the Office zt P oe Ldmi strstion 'as en Economist He said that his nre EEY as =§i .»..~ of tho. -' 1 _ <_ _ . -1 leshington Boolcshop at one time and had Joined ao¬i"!o% the purpose of -1'"
getting books. at e disoount. She never; we:_1t-to_"membe'z-ship meetings end -12* '
quit erhen the association changed from aoulturol to a political group. -
,_;1?amc;x_=m..a in conclusion of this intervieel on July 18, 1950, tun. he us "
teaching put-time at the _Ax_nerican Uniyersity and was doin"g economic research
_ work for publicotion having had works published in the Middle Beat Journal, the
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,_;-.1; photographs of mus FUCHS and 32131" mun were displayed to him. , :
rams: stated that re re_cognized we an or races but solo]; because he _ -:
hed"'soen»one like it inqthe nd}i5plpQ1'_ _He continued that the indiyidnal he 1
'" " "recalled as !fU 8S'in Berlin in _1933"had a m'o_re_ Io:-die appearance and he ._ »
'= " di.d no_t_he1ieve he ins of Jewish descent a'a_'it',appoand that KLAUS FUCHS was.
_ " He said he definitely didnot recognize the picture of XRISTEL HEINEI-IAN as -
~ ._anyone_he-knee and further stated that it was more than likely the FUCHS he -
_ - . fknew was not of Jewish descent because he came from _Kie1, which city was not a .;
- '=ae one where there._uas any substantial number of Jewish residents.
A; - ' - FRANCK stated thathe "believes it must have b68j1'1.bBi~92Ié8n D6¢émb9r,' 1932, ind
- July," 1933, that he use the individual known as FUGS -on the campus of the
' " University of Berlin." _He' said thatit tee more than likely daring this '
. "- period inasmuch as all stjadent groups wens declared i11'ege1'by the Nazi -
'_ ' - government by_.the time he 92'eo.s_'re1ejeeed»,1rom prison in Decemher,A1933- ' .._
-_ _ FR'ANC'Kvas questioned concerning certain individuals and the iolleving are '
I< . his remark: concerning hiB=!'818biOi_18b.ipMtI_ith than. » ~_ '- ' _. -
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-a hook on Latin America and-Spain!. he recalled PLENH having been "at their
- ~ home on one _oceasion_ and was an acquaintance of his wife. . ' M . _' H _' ' I i '
' _ -FRANGK said he met, NORMAN in ew York on theiC0lumbiatl,1niv;eraity J
campus and that 1hey,»ha've been in olasseetogether. -I-Is said that both were '
students of economics and that hereca1_.led that he met him in the spring of I
- 1939. FRANOK said he left !'or_0a1.i1ornia_ _in,0ctober,.;939,' which was the ' ' -
. end of, their acqua_intanbeship.. is did notcorregpend with IORTHAN and in _ -
. a June, 15043, while working for the Office of Price Administration in -
Washington, D.-6., he had a chance s;eeting»u-ith HORTM.aN.who'92qas working '
- ~ tor the War Production Board in Washington; 'D. Cg, and thereafter they had ~
- P lunch on several occasions and NORMAN visited his house once or twice. - _
.;' ' He said-his acqneintenceship with ROETHAR has casual and that in the winter
t " .of,191-:9-1950 he met RORMAN in the J'ewia_h Agency 1'or_Pa1_sstine in New York .,_j
'~ 7" _ at which time _NOH5'MAN saidhe was doing economios__work for the agency. '
FRANCE stated that he wea_doin'g research uork_on_ the Palestine economic 4- ; '
" _' problem and had "gone to the" agency t_o_obtain'materia1 and vhi1e there -
~ ' ~ met lIORI'MA!i- FRANOK said that he is aiare of the tact that NORMAN has -'
been aeoused'.'o£ subversive activities but believes he was exonerated; He '
further stat-ed_that.he and HDR1MAN1 had never discussed the matter. I . " '_
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Eeonomieid end nnl mceqtly was st Penhsylveuie State College es e teacher. '
Be-bel1eves;tha't. HERMAN is nmrin leufiork and his last visit, to Washington '
was ebozit e.'gx'non1ghs ago. Bee stated thhehe had ;1eve_rhad anypo1.it1ca1, j .
discussions with BHIHAN and1et they had generally te1k_ed ebout economics A
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five oreix years ago when B1l.RRON_vi ited his wife, DOROTHEA.$EEL!E. Famcx said um manor: ;na Pr111.1sg1{§§.umn am _1_ri.ende end that he 'be1;eves
they-aJ.1'met through their Acontact 1n"gove1*n§1ent_iiork in Washington, D; C.
According to FRANCK, his prife" worked for the Department of State in the -
Cultural Affairs Deipn and thether aequeintanoeship with BARRON'began
before he ever knew, hievife. FRANCE recalled that BARRON was s Iewye;
and for e while worked for the British Embeesy-A -He said that to him _ Y
BARRO!§_wae jest enother visitor tohie home. - _ .. - v - ~ e
H " FRANCK st/stag! Eh_'et he hedhever hesrd of the following lndiviéiuala: -'
Dr. -JOSEPH mes bo0'H!_? i ' " " '
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. 1 ~' Upon interview, Hrs; HANS advised [that in Jammy, 19115, she »
pent to Los Alamoe, ew Mez1co,.by Hsjor General LESLIE R. BROVES, £01 whom
eh_e-hedyorked; to work es J. ROBE1=:1'!;Qf'PEN_!-lED!ER's secrepazy} Hrs. MARKS
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Jieeka Before 4Ch1.'iatm_ae»of'l9h5 ehe _<=m»=m. to see her fetherwho was il'l.""
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irorking" on the ACHESON-LILENZHAL report," She'atated>'thfat she did editorial fi
research work on the report. _' A _. _._;-_»; 3
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eaid;tha_t' hefwae an e:_:treme3y_' ahy.pereon,"a11?d's_hefdoe's not know of. any I '
particular peztaona he aeeociated with but iesle certain he have had some ....-.,-.2
"aide kicks ; " She enema. there wee no formal social society at Lea Alamo: - ..
but there were idem parties". ueually attended tiyabout -thirty" to forty _. 'pe_ople. She said it was customary to invite. almost amvone to a dam party. - .
at which ti1tefthe,prine1ple recreation was dancing and having drinks. She - - '
said ehe -could not recall F8085!» attendance _at>Aa'ny of these parties with 1"
any particular individual. She alao stated that aha did not recall aw
trips o . ide Lee Alemoa that he would have had occasion to take with "J. i or any other tripe. She stated that during thetine I -
she was there it nae. an extremely" Huey period and thatv-OPPKNIIEIHER would -
work Saturdays and Sundays and, of coarse, made !'requ'e1_1t'tr1__pe to .~ " . ' ~
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newspapers; ehe ran over her mind-the activitiee at-Lee-"A_1a1aoe_but could /1
not associate FUCHS as having been particularly friendly withieny one . . e_ _ l
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Pentagon Building, upon being interviewed and "being shown a photograph of. 1» ' - 4
KLAUS I-HIGHS, stated that the photograph was familiar but that -he could not -~
identifypthe. individual. When told the photograph yea that of KLAUS FUCHS, '
SCHEHER associated the picture _1-with the newepaperpublicity concerning _
FUCHS arrest, He stated that e definite1y_'d'oee not know KLAUS FUCHS ' ' _~SCHERER stated that during the years 19h3 and 191;]; he was the Chieiofa -*~r_ ~
Stock Control Branch, Bequimente Division, Headquarters Army Service P, J I
Forced; Ohio! of Ordnance Sectioniqithin the P1'ograaz_Branch of Requi-ementh" _ "
Division, Headquarters army Sezfvice Forcee; andlranoh Chief ot Program ~ '.' '
Branch of Requirements Division, Headquarters Army Service Forced. SBHERER
stated that the latter position was held by him ior six months" andthena ' - M
was only one person other than himself in the office. -He said the stock and _ I
ordnance position: were in er1ioee_Iiitha '_numb_e'r_o£'. people. - ._ _ ~ '
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~ The above-captioned individual, who is a prominent feminist and Ameri-
can club woman, has been interviewed on several occasions in connection with the
~ ALGIZP. HISS and WILLIAM WALTE REMINGTON investigations. Both she and her hue-.
band, who are also writers, reside at Croton, New York, and have been extremely
helpful to this office in the KISS and RIMINGTON cases and in other matters.
_ A Recently MISS STEVENS was interviewed by an agent of this office with
" relation to the REMITIGTOII investigation, at which e Miss STEVENS displayed aletter which she had just received from the prominent English hil-
*_ " torical writer. In the letter REBECGA WEST vised'Miss STEVENS of the comple-
tion of a book which she had just prepared dealing with prominent traitors in '
A English history. She further advised Miss STEVENS that in connection with a re-
~ print of this ook, she was going to endeavor to add an additional chapter deal-ing with _1Q.B1_¬gI!.L".1-15 and the eight Americans who have been arrested by this Bureau
, r in connection with the FUCHS case. In addition, REBECCA WEST requested Miss _Q STEVENS, as her American representative, to secure or prepare a factual news sum-
_ nary of the arrests of the eight Americans involved, the nature oi the charges
-__ sgains_t them, and their alleged connections as published in the daily papers92,,.l:iss STEVENS requested that this office make available to her copies of the news
{releases in the GOLD, GRBENGLASS, and related oases, but was advised that the
___ releases had been made by the Bureau at Washington, D. C. ' <7
5 Miss STEVENS stated that she might attempt to obtain the information
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' _l Index}, but if unsuccessful she would probably write to the Bureau requesting
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persenally, had never met him, and has no information_concerning
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original newspaper publicity on the case as a man who had been_a ;,
around 1931 or 1932, Professor GERTH said that he met his wife for
the first time around 1933 and he is sure that she has not seen or .
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Upon the completion of the interview with FRANCK, he stated there
was something he wished to brim to the attention of the FBI, and desired
to know what he could do. FRANCE stated that he is presently teaching
at the American Uxriversity, and there is a rumor circulating that he has
a bad FEE record, and that the rzmor started about one year ago and had
come to his attention only recently. FRANCK stated that he had talked with
the President of the University as well as the head of his department,
and both state they have no complaint with respect to FRANCK. FRANCK
stated that the rumor was believed to have been started in an o'-the-
cuff manner in a barber shop, the location of which he doesn't know.
I-RANCK explained that he believes the rumor started by one student asking
the other who their professor was , and upon receiving the reply that it
was FRANCE, was told that the FBI has a big. file on FRANCE.
FRANCK stated his reason for bringing this up at this time was
that he would like .to be interviewed with respect to am derogatory
information the FBI might have in its files in order that he could give
his answers, and that the information could be re-evaluated based on his
answers. He further pointed out that there are two Government agencies
that want to hire him; namely, the Federal Trade Commission, which would
like to hire him on a full time basis dependent upon the amount of
appropriation made available. He said the other agency was the EGA
where he applied about one year ago,and subsequently was informed that
they could not hire his because oi the FBI not giving him clearance-
FRANCK stated that the answer given by the EDA person to whom he talkQ e ~puzzled him when they said they bad checked with the FBI and that he M Hhad not been cleared. -.: _
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the Peace Council in Pale Alto, Californieffrom which it was in.ferre'd f_
that he wees Naei synpathieer when he had always been the exact opposite. '" j 1.
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complaints about him being a Nazi sympathizer and that he had given them
a copy of his speech. He stated he believed someone connected with the
American Legion had complained about this particular speech. FBANOX further
stated that he was at one time _s_member of the ¥oung__Denocratic Party in _
Galifoi-nia; that he has to his knowledge, no friends or associates who '- -
members of the c9mmu.nist Party or Communist Part! fronts-1 - >4 .~ 1. '-I"
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who was circulating the rumor about him having s ted FBI record, and he -f.?~
interned that hedidn't know who itfmight be. H6 stated his purpose in .1'j_-~.'l' >
bringing the nstter to the FEE: attention was that he wants to refute aw - "
derogatory information contained in his file. FRANCK was told that he A 7
could, at any tine; cone to the FBI and give whatever statements concerning
himself he so desired. The interview with FRANCE was on an amiable basis,
and during the course thereof, FHANGK expressed his high regard for the
FBI and the manner in which agents had always treated him. _ -, ' " "
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that ion one occasion after h»>u;r.s} he observed ai_1_Ii.ndividua_1_ seated across "
the desk froin_ this Shearer and he as able to observe the bac_k_of3 this. _- _
indi~vi_dual*s head and_the right-hand side pt his tape. Hosenbe_rg"_infomed =='1_1
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