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RE: JOHN LQDI.-Ei-IS, ET LL.
CIVIL RIGHTS AND
DO?.{ES'IIC VIOLENCE ,
at the above time Shcalled from the Chicago fieldassigned specially to e curr t investigation at Springfield, Illinois,
stated he had been assigned specific leads to cover at Chicago, Illinois.In connection with covering those leads,qe1'erred to the local files
of the92~Hational Labor Relations Board at Chicago connection with aninvestigation conducted by an investigator namedgst line A in l9l,l
regarding labor conditions there, that is, at Spring ie cl, Illinois.
It will be recalled that Kine A was immediately adjacent to line B, which is
the mine concerned in instant investigation.
In view of the fact that there was some indication that the trouble at Mine A
was intimately tied in with the trouble st Mine B, the same has been embraced
by the investigative purview in this matter.
Shmstated that when checking at the headquarters of the 13th Region
of at Chicago he contacted llr. George Bott, Regional Director, rho
advised him that there was a cas in the Uhicago office of NLRB identifiedss #13-C-1665 entitled "Carl H./g.shoff mdlrogressive Mine Workers ofAmerica, District Number 1. " in which the complaint was filed on September23, 191.1, oy The alleged violation was Section s and 5! of
the NLRB Regulations. -.
The complain was withdrawn on December 22, 191,1, et the request of the
complainant, However, in the meantime, investigation was6
conducted at Springfield, llinois, in connection with the matter and SAfeels that undoubtedly the results of the investigation will be veg q . _ 9pertinent to instant investigation being coritggxxgy the Bureau. F.-_ ,._
ch1 BI-QwrmmIn View of the Attorney G¬nera.l's interest in this matteneanc, inaeznu
BUT contents of the file should be made available for ezmmization.
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the file available for review an possible photostating of any interesting .
material without specific permission being received by him from the Washington
headquarters of the NLRB. -
The file is identified as the Informal File" and contains both remix and
i.nf0r.".e.l material. The complaint filed in the matter alleges, according to
SA- briefly that the United line horxers Union was not really the
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Inasmuch as SA! isnscheduled to leave Chicago for return to Springfield
tomorrow, he deems it advisable to contact the Bureau and furnish the
information above in order that if it was necessary for the review to be
conducted by Bureau Agents at Chicago he might be able to do so before
leaving there for return to Springfield.
nc*r1-on s.a=v.-as advised that he should contest SAC aa%'sre as
Springfield, who should brirg the matter to the attention of Hr. Frank _
Coleman, the Departmental attorney who is handling the matter, advising llr.
Coleman oi the facts and also that the Bureau has been advised and that the
1 _i3ure_ag__i_s__i0n¢a_:Qing;_a :_nez;;orandu_m to the Deoartlner, _ . _ _ _ _ s_ .I adiige es tg:t!;_e_ p;oc_edurezvfrTiEh""s'oT1IE"'5e"Fo]IowEd* in order to obtainaccess to this file, WI ates has never been
forwarded to the 'hashin5>n headquarters of e LRB and therefore has not been
made available previously to the Bureau or the Department. It was also
ponted out that it should be suggested to r. Coleman that he should
contact the Department in order that the Department may expeditiously advise-
tne Bureau of the action which it desires taken in V181! of the limited
amotmt of time available to complete the investigation prior to presentation
to the grand jury as contest, -"lsted.
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RE: JOHN L.OIE.'E'I5, rr 11.
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' Ir. Neale
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Rial Gandy________,.Ls you lcnon, investigation is presently being conducted
in accordance with the desires oi the Attorney General into
charges that John L. Lewis and certain other officers of the
United Mine-Workers of America and Carl H. Elshoti, owner of liine BCoIl"_""""
Company, Springfield, Illinois, conspired during the years 193'? to 1941
in violation of the Civil Rights Statutes to injure and oppress Elshofait. lsoeen__________
Ir. Tree?
Ilr. Acara
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Ir. Barbe
llr. Heuden
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Ir. Quinn 'l'anu'n__
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employees in the free exercise oi the rights secured to them by the Rational
Lebor Relations Act. It is alleged that Lewis paid the sum of $225,000 to
I-Ilsho from the years 193'? to 191.1 with the intent to induce Elshoft to im-
pose unfair labor practices upon his employees, who were at that time members
of the rival union, the Progressive Mine Workers of lmerica.
IIWESTICATIOIJ AND INTERVIEWS nrrn unnzns
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this
matter may be completed by September 25, 1943, inasmuch aspages in
that the
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firs rt oi October 1943 inthe tpa , -- -_ -_matter, and in-eestigstion is being sigorculy pursued
The report submitted by the Springfield Office indicates. that .541-¢....
proximately 150 men who were members oi the Progressive line orloers oi
America in 193'? at line B, Springfield, Illinois, have been interviewed.
Signed statements have been secured from each individual interviewed. L
review of these signed statements indicates that 20 in gave no information
oi value. In these cases either the individual actually did not know any-
thing oi value to this case or refused to divulge any information. Forty-Springfield Office has now submitted a report in excess of 500
in order
the De-has indicated it would like to present this case to e granny ury
nine of the miners interviewed were cooperative with Bureau Agents; however,
they gave information of little value, being vague and hesitant in their
comments. It should also be noted that e number of these individuals were
unable to speak, read or write English, and therefore possessed little in-
this Bureau. The remaining 79 men interviewed gave information that could
,C.,.on, be considered very favorable to the Government's case and all might
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In general, the above mentioned '79 individuals advised that the
Progressive Kine Workers oi America was formed at line B, Springfield,
Illinois, in 1932 due to the fact that Lewis attempted to impose a lower
wage scale on the miners. In general, all of these individuals agreed
that conditions were rather quiet and employee-employer relations good at
mm B until shortly berm Nay of 193?. Lt this time 1t was discovered
that a number of menaers of the Prog-essive line Workers at line B were
actually spies for the United lline Iorksrs Union and were on the Lstter's
pay roll. Many or the miners interviewed will be able to testiIy.thst
they attended a pit grievance committee meeting at line B on the evening
oi Hay ll, 1937, at which time five alleged spies were expelled from the
Progressive Mine Norkers Union. Thereafter, the Union insisted that Elshoff
fire these five expelled individuals, and when Elsho and the line officials
refused to discharge these individuals, a strike was called on lay 12, 193?.
Host of the '79 individuals mentioned above will testify that they were at
that time and still are in favor oi the Progressive Mine lorloers Union; how-
ever, site: May or l93'.? it appeared that Elshofi was denitely in raver of
the United Mine Iorkers Union and would not cooperate
ing to get the Mine back into operation. A number of
Elshoff received money from John L. Lewis in order to
the liine during the time it was closed down; however,
have anything but hearsay evidence in this regard.
INTEEWIE=!S REGARDING PURCHASE OF NINE L BY ELSHOFF IN
NINE TIDRKERS OFALEEIRICL
In the fall of 1941, Carl H. Elehoff, owner
line A, which adjoins line B, from Mr. Iilliam H. Ryan
$60,000 paid in cash. It was alleged that this moneyin any way in attempt-
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was supplied directly
by the United Kine Workers of America and that Elshofi was merely acting
as s. front in order that the UNI? might take over Mine A, which was controlled
by the Progressive Mine Workers Union. Hr. lfilliam H. Ryan, upon interview,
tended to substantiate the above allegation and stated that prior to the consum-
nation of the sale or Mine L, it became apparent that Elshoff was merely acting
an I. stunt so/r uuli L. LeI'i'1ii.
In this connection, Hr. Robert C. Solomon, rresident oi the Panther
Creek Coal Hines, Springfield, Illinois, stated that in the early part of 1942,
Elshoff attempted to purchase the Panther Creek Hines for $400,000 cash. Ir.
Solomon stated that although the deal fell through, it was a matter oi common
knowledge that Elshoff had no money of his qlm and would be financed by the
URN of America.
it is of interest to note that Ryan stated that early in 1937,
Ray Edmundson, s subj ect in this case and President oi the URI Incal in
Springfield, approached him with e proposition to freeze the Progressive
Mine Ilorkers Union out oi Mine L. llr. Ewan advised he turned this proposi-
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A number of the o iciele of the Progreeeive lne Iorkere of £1
lmerica have been interviewed, end, of course, they gave evidence and
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The Springeld Office hoe recently edvieed that three individuals
interviewed have requested copies oi eigned etetemente which they gave to
Agents oi this Bureau. In View oi the tact that these individuals were
witnesses and not eubjecte, the Springfield Office declined to comply
vrith their request; however, the question has been referred to the Depart-
ment with a requeet for advice as to the procedure to be followed in the
future in the event edditionel requeete of e eimiler nature ere received
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It ie believed that the investigation in this case has progreeeed
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Lt this time SAC Hallford called and balked to Lgent
| mgr office regarding the above captioned matter. He stated thatI ghts handling this case have cond11ctedAov_erp10Q_ig1t_ervie_ws,with liner; 11;-eoi*.;e..'i.'T*h57~;;- _=5e the etetehentelwhede lgy them, ha3'e_been fayorlble to the
of the case that ie -l in general, although there h*ave'beenI
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a few miners who are members o1"the Uni"Fed"lI"1e workers of America who have not
been of s favorable nature.
Ir. Hallford requested advice regarding certain eczhihite requested by
him last week around August 23rd such as membership cards in comection with the
voting by the Progressive line Workers Union manbere and the nembere ot the UII
at the time of the first and second elections which were held. I pointed out to
him that i letter er-as on its way to hie. explaining that the eeehberehip cards ere
not available due to the procedure in voting which is secret and also pointed out
the fact that petitions filed by any of the miners with the National Labor Re-
lations Board would not be actually made a part of the records of the NIRB and
therefore were not available. t
Ilr. Hallford pointed out there were certain things which Ir. Coleman,
the Departmental Attorney handling this case, had indicated would not have to bedone, although he had originally requested the periorvnanii of the same and Ir
Eallford requested advice":-egarding this angle. pointed cut *that he should forward a letter to the Bureau eettgg out these items so
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and a letter forwarded to the Bureau describing this situation in order that
it nay be taken up with the Department and also in order that the investi-
gation nay proceed as Inoothly and efficiently as possible.
Ir. Hallford also raised the point that he had been advised W llr.
Coleman vrhile Hr. Coleman was in Springfield, Illinois, that the Bureau's in-
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field Office and which had been received Iran the Department it outlined a re-
quesrt for itanization of the payments to Carl Elehofi amounting in toto to
$225, 000. Again, it was indicated to Hr. Hallford that he shonld include things
such as this in a letter to the Bureau in order that the situation may be immedi-
ately called to the attention of the Department for clarification and written
confirmation of the oral advice furnished by Ir. Coleman.
SAC Hallford stated that the suggested investigations received from the
Department and forwarded to the Springfield Office by the Bureau are being con-
sider b him as suggestions and not as instructions, with which viewpointAge11t i.ndicated concurrence on the part of the Bureau. Ihis was done be-
cause . c eman, who i apparently handling this matter in the Department, has
indicated an extreme interest in the case to the point of advancing theories
which have no basi in facts available regarding the instant case. Ir. Coleman
understands that he is offering these points merely as suggestions and that, of
course, the matter is being left to the Bureau's discretion as to the exact
method of investigation. e
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received from the Department.
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~' I am informed from a reliable source that for some years M_92 the U.Ii.'.'.'. organization, _p_o_ssibl with subje Le-g;1.s_'__1q;g1gLqg5e, 'has been using two brothers, as gunmen
' ' vi J. s of the unionsin connection with terroristic eoti
I do not have the address of these individuals, but it is slid
that they line end operate in southern Illinois. The sugges-
' tion is that these men may L:-ossibly be used to intimidate andQ influence witnesses in oonnection with this current investigv
F ti on.
I leave to your judgment the question of whether these
mn should be put under surveillance. Your Field Office will
be in the best position to know whether any destructive efforts
are being mde and what measures are best to combat them-
MI am also similarly informed that
U.I!..'|'., o 15 no
a orner , e use as s. 1p omat for the organization inconnection with this case. Should you discover thatp activities are touching this ease at any poin ,
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at this time 13'. Frank Colman called Iran the Depertmengln G d, " """f
relative to this matter ard stated that the Attorney General was 1e'z1rI""'-"'""'*i'"'
ing on Tuesday next 1' or Mexico for n two weeks vacation. llr. Coleman
was interested in knowing whether we would have a summary oi the prer-
liminary investigation developed by Tuesday because Hr. Coleman feels
that the Attorney General would like to take with him some sort oi e
pict1=_re as to what the preliminary investigation has developed.
It was pointed out to Hr. Coleman by Emu took the
call that there was a distinct possibility, as he h pre ously been ed-
vised, that the initial report in this matter might reach the Bureau by
Tuesday or Wednesday oi next week and that every effort would be made, of
course, to try end have e summary available for the Attorney General be-
fore he leaves on Tuesday. Hr. Coleman stated that under no circumstances,
however, did he want to hamper our interfere with the investigation and in
the event there was any possibility of such occurring he -was sure that the
Attorney General would not want the matter rushed just to have the pre-
liminary infomation available. -
ACTION: Attached is s suggested teletype to Springfield, instructing that
the report which SAC Hallford stated would be prepared by Saturday of this
week, September 1;, should be prepared without fail and submitted, to reach
the Bureau by Monday, special delivery. These were the plans of SAC Hall-
rerd prior to the receipt oi t-us GQ-Le However, in order that the report
will be nailed Saturday, it is deemed advisable to teletype Br. Hellford
since he was given leeway to hold on for e few days if he thought it advis-
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mot reoeivo the moot oxpedltlouo attention. In dew at the ottrno coer-
gonoy ull otpditlone aohlro of thlo i.nvootl.got:I.on, end 11' this P1016 911-
ioion :l.o to neot o ood lino oot by tho Bu-eon, o report or the roeulto of
thin lnvootigotion not be in the hondo of tho lpringolt Nnriolon by lep-
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For the Lnfoziotion of the Pittoburgh H.011! Pioion, tin Deport-
nent hoe requested o hall oad loto investigation into the ohorgoo ofJOHI L. LIHB, P1-eoidont or %_;_l§_g;'_'no_t1olIl1.Un1bo¢ _IlLno,.Iorko_;-g_9_£,1!_!;o5;_,_oo_,_m0m1mmsoo, Proiidmt oiiotrlottll Imago!, United Is.» 1%» orAnorioo ILLIIR J rotary- reomrer otrtot 12 CARL Iowner oi lino '8' Cool Compaq, o oool nine in Iprtngolz, Illinoio, 0801i
5r_n_;g_g1;, lnperintenlont owl lllao '8", to hoe oozupiroi during tho yeoro
1951' through 1941 ll violation of leotlon 51, Title 10, BIO, to injure old
opp:-ooo l.8IDI'!"o nployooo in the tree omeroloo or the rlghto ooour toum by the Iotionol um» Relottono m. to :~ t _ it
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lino Yorker: of lnorioo of their rlghto, on ooourod by 3eoti.on 7 of tho lotion-ol labor lolotiono Ant, there oon wuloubtodly be oetoblioho-G o. violation of .~. J
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et thet hntel to the effect thet DIUIDBOI wee to hve anything he vented et
the hotel, end Hut it ehould be elnrged to I.81iDH"e eecounte
It ie requested mm interriered 1» eloertein ihethq-
or not he can eubetentiete the e ru one left by IJHOFI Iith the IorrieelHotel. Qhould eleo be interviewed ter my other lnforeetioe he my
heve come 5 e reletlonehip between GLBL I. H8331? end 1' HJIIIDBGor mm J. mus, or Joni L. mm. In the event thet nu to
u-nieh eny pertinent infaneetion in eonneetien with thie ee r, or euhlter
tiete the ellegetioe, en ettaupt ehmd he lede to eeoure e ligned etetdit
1'1-ca him. This etetueeut ehauld include, of eouree, ell elrcumetenoee, ete
eui pleee at the ineteaee or inetenoee of ehieh he any heve knowledge;
In Tier of the neture of thii interview, it in believed thet tn
Agente ehould he preent during the interview. For your iatornetion the Bur-
eeu be inetructell me only experienced end well quelified gnu be ee-
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Rea John L-ulmri-I, et eh,
01111 R1511-1e and Dwestie
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Your nsnoremhns at Septsusbsr B, 194$, in s-egerl
to request tar copies or ligned ststensnts given by three
indiviciueis inf-er1'1ewe& by your Bpringfieid offioe, ill
been discussed by IP:-enk Coleman of this Division with
your Special Agent in Charge et Springfield.
the Bureau: refuse}. to grant the request tor
oopies of the signed statements has sq epprovel. H'-
Hoover eclrlses that no further efforts to obtain copies
of signed stetements heme es yet been suede. I1 any ~¢_
£e1.:'*;l.-.e.=r requests are reeeiveé. la this elaaeetia, I V
wish you would advise me immediately. the policy in
respect thereto mast be determined in coco:-deuce eiih
the eiremetsneee of eeeh pertionler cele-
Respectfully,
mil G. G1-All,
Lssistent Attorney General-
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MARTIN GITEIR IILRB Regional Director, Ian
Francisco, Calif" arrived in Chicago on
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to investigation of lline "B" Oontroveray
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V , . __T+¬:-'r;{l!:. st Springfield, Illinois, in which s majority of the employees of themine, which also constituted a majority of those present at the Illjs _ VHall, signed "authorisations" that the United line Workers should be 7their bargaining agent. h - 4 .- _- _.T H '_ ' _ ' » .".,.-__~. - .'
Following this the Progressive Kine Workers filed t V -charge with the HLRB alleging that 'ELS'Ei0FF had failed to bargain - *-5 =4;with them and had asisted the United Mine Workers in taking over Iline "A". Hr. ?:.nGIIEiR stated that he conducted s thorough examination ' " ,
of this matter and had been unable to develop any indication of - , 'collusion between ' EIBHOFF and the United line Workers. He did. esta-
blish that when the liino A re-opened wider ELSHOFF, the United lineWorkers had s clear majority of the employees working in the mine at P 'that time, which majority was represented by validly sigicd signature -_cards. . 4 _ , s L -* ""}T*}*-£i;~.. . _ _ 92__, _ -_ - W21 -- - .1.IAGRER stated further that during his invostation "this matter rumors were prevalent in Springfield that 05 AIIIETTI '_ ."*_ Ewas in reality an employee of JOHN L. LEWIS. HAGUE was unable tof_~,."ef"-:- -F -_*;.=1.f-.*a-develop any concrete evidence of this; y ' ' _ '_ I --.92 " 7 f.- * 1
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_ - a_ _-I." Concerning the election at Kine 'B" held on December 15f 3 .1937, WAGNER stated that he had no personal knowledge of this election"-je-__;~-ii" . Ix?-b_ut that the decision of the HLRB concerning thefrnlidity of the class -tion could be found in Volume 4 of the Decisions and Orders of IiRB'_,' Y -Page 323, and that this decision indicates that in the opinion oi the A.._ J'Ij.,_e'Board there was no foundation for the United l{ino'*'iicrk_ers allegations J 1"".-ffof fraud. IILGNER stated that a copy of the Regional Qireotox-'s mgcrt'_;._-13$;-ilre->, _gto the ms upon which this dooisionfwas based cnnbe obtainedllfron *:ithe Htional Labor Relations Board at ilashingtvlh n. c,_.;_,;,,~; ,,-:-Q _. :-:-. 2- ~. - - i_7 "§'n§£-&;. ".3n Q ,I - . -92 ' ' . ---_.q... Q -. 3 .. _ '* ,. _ , _ _ __.;__ U ,1,- if y -~ ' J ' Ihilo IAGHER was very cooperative throughout the into!-5; ;5"vici he advised that he did not care to express anopinion as to, -fi1"I$_';"?.._:§._..92ue purpose oi tho pay-gumbo by the United Mine Workers "/'second, on the merits of the controversy, inasmuch as his kDU§10Q§0_1>;_f§";!?:'t92thereof was almost entirely second hand, In conclusion he _.st0-tad, - ~ - .- . - - " .: . i ~=- Hi"-s..--:;.. . .-s -'. ,-1, - w . e _ -_ - _ - _- .- _ ..I 1 _ . I '- -. VI & .- . I . _92 _ . ..JI_>' . .-. i; a 92 ' l__-,»- f.,:{.;.l I _ Iv ';- -. *f'| ,5. 2 .- 1 7#>- 1. '- . .-,1 r ,;;A.e-_V~.'-,'i fi ' ' '-." - . "'< . ' 92|"- a -d" *' - ' 4' - 1._t ' s 1 1 s ' 4:1 Jyl ""*"' K. , V 'I r - 3 ,- " " H ' " '-. ~ - .- -4 i .- - c .- -'-..> i -: -- . .3 . " l'- ' - ~ " r. ?- W : . T -" - n I - An '- J""- M l l H ' f 1_:Q'§"9 ' *"'-- ¥-- -- 1 '- - -- , .. @ . s ~-~ ,. 1:_. . ,_~ -._~,_'<.»- ~-m 1 .- . A . ._. :..~.__ -' ;. _ ,- -. . }'.... -- .,; - <1» » 1* 1.-.- . s ,. 4;» _-¢ ~ . ..-,._~. ._. . _ Q" . .»_-- .,-, ,2 -_;-';.",;.-ff » . :. :"-.'_.-..~-_,_ .-..;»_ -¬5r}*_,,¢~.92;17 -':,.::'?.:'»T; _~_ ~. _ 7 I . -_. 1 r_, . _y92;___1 ,-< _.,1 .J- i; ,__ _ Q; _ Kits. Er L; ;~V'.__':~'.:.'|J,,? _=;:¢H_,3--i 3 by 1 I " ' x " ~ 4' - ' " 1 4 9/ "' '-'*" ~ '1: i - * .. '4 . v J! ¢ -- . " " . - 1 - -' .. _- ' ' i *=- -_ ,. _ . _ »=- ~'~ . ~ --- . . -- ' .,~-,.- 92 .. , ,,,.¢ A ' 92 K. - _ , - 1 - .- a .- - W.-~~'.»_i92.r - . ,-~. -_'"-:_- .. 0 >92. bk... 5 __, ,, K . ' , X -._, . ,.>._A";- -»-,1; M ,_ -. ,1. I92..1£;,,;4 _ ,1 ,,~g;f}._ --_ ~Ji'.}.fj.i.-_ -..- set. 7 A -- . .92- ~- -1" ' .- ' ' _' W. 9.-,-~ -, . - .. ___ -,1 -.- »--=;' .. It ._ ' o .. , _ _ * 4 ... ' 1 ; ;-9, _~ _*» _- . i. , .'*_92 - _;§.-.H.,.. . - ,3. _~,,;§_ ...~ .92, _ 'q,.- .. ,s 3I'I"'¢ -:1"--»' 91" , _."':'- i~'.'~ "ir"'e<_-2 "Q " '-AP a "- '1' I 5 Z-fl" J" "3"; }'» ~w ='- 1'w{f§*"."':? **
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ed tition for of 1941, interviewed. GLAHK investiget nocontempt nroceedinge filed by PE" es well as charges that
UL" had violated F.L.H.a. and subsequently UKW petition
for certification. .n detailed report and work papers in I
' E " " e bmitted toregard to union membership at hine B wer su
Chicago Office of B.L.R.B. CLARK stated that he was
unable to secure evidence that CARL E. ELSHOFF, owner of
Line "B" Coal iompany would not bergein with Etfin goodalthough both manor! and oscn=I9r.¢cm:1, Superintendent
Of Line B evenly ernressed islike for PK" end stated
trot it wee imnoeeible to deal with the organization es
it failed to adhere to contracts. CLARK stated that he
wee suecicious of some of the men hired who were members ;
of UK? after Line "3" reoeened in 1939, but that in general I
FALCIETI could Justify the employment of each men. In
one gage en individual gave up well paying employment as
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e change in work gave him access to the entire mine. Tio~
lenoe and coercion particineted in about eoually by both
unions. and according to CLARK, ELSFOFF and I£LG!TTI, lwhy eeme Pk? Idid not enerove. There were logical reasons
members shifted to UMW. Be! IEEIETDSOF, President of
District 12, UHF, cooperated in turning over his records
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earn-anrct: Letter dated Sentember e, 1943, from the Sraringfield
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DETAILS: JOHN C.£CLh3K wee interviewed at the Indieneoolin Field
Divieio office on September 9
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In regard to his emnloyment with the Hetional Labor Beletionl
Boerd, CLARK advised that from hpril of 1938 until November of 1939 be
wee stationed at Indianapblil, and from Foveber of 1939 to Hey of 1940
at Les angeles, California, and from hey of 1940 to April of 1941 at
Chicago, Illinois. Thereafter he was Director for the Rational Labor
Relations Beard et lndianenclie until April 10, 1943, et which time the
Indianeoolie office wee closed.
CLhHK stated that from July or august of 1940 to January or Feb-
ruery of 1941, as Field Examiner for the National Labor Relations Board at
Chicago, he are actively interested in the Line B controversy at Spring-field, Illinois, end inveetigted proceedings filed to th:tPr__qg1__lge_ei1_r__e__1_~L_i__:_:_e_
grgere, as well es charges thet the United nine Yorkeri uu violated aeo-
tione'o£ the Retionel Labor Relations Act. Subsequently, GLnEK investigated
a UHF petition for certification.
By way of background, CLARK eteted that CARL E. ELSHOFF, owner
of nine "5" at Springfield, Illinoie, in Fovember of 1939 notified FEW
that he intended to open line "3", after it had been closed for e period
of eoororimately two and e half yearn because of lebor difficulties.
SL435 eteted thet the BMW nee enrioue to get in the mine and agreed to go
to work before e contract uea signed. 3? way of explanation, CLARK stated
that at this time the Progressives were Blinhing in Illinois and western
Kentucky, the only two atetel in which they hed ever had a strong foothold.
The miners who had been on Kine "B"e payroll es of May 12, 1937,
the time the mine wee closed, were not all called back at once for the
reaeon that cave ins end other repairs were necessary before the mine could
be out into full operetion. He stated that less than half the total number
of emoloveee on the neyroll of Kine "B" ea of Lay 12, 1937, actually fevrto work Lhen celled during the letter pert of 1959 end the early pert of
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"B" and took statements from 50 or 60 of them. In regard to the union
effilietion et the time of reeennloyment, egent eee edeieed that during
the period of the shutdown many miners had secured employment in other
mines which were controlled by UH , and es e result had Joined that union.
The general liization we that there were many Progressives who bed not
been loyal to »:e PMV, end UHW was sble to persuade these men to become -
members of that union. 1
CLARK further stated that in some cases miners who hnd shifted"
from the Progressives to UEW when they received notice that Mine "3"
was TO-mpening returned to Linc "B" because of its proximity to Epringfield,
Illinois, there they nsintsined their homes because of the convenience of
the location. The BMW offered no objection to this, and in GLARK's opinion
suggested that the change be node.
CLARK stated that two other factors influenced employees to shift
their merbershin from PMH to UKW, the first being that it was a policy of
the Progressive union not to hire any smprentices as long es any Progressive
members were unemnloyed, whereas Uh? fostered the hiring of the sons of UB9
workers es anprentices, even though some UHW members might be unomp1Q79¢-
GLARK stated thrt it was common knowledge around Soringfield that
the Progressive union was not paying death benefits when due. He steted
thet Uhw capitalized on this and made s point of paying death benefits very
promptly and dramatically. He stated that he knew of two instances when
on the death of s UM? nember a large committee was appointed to attend the
funeral of the deceased and pay the benefit to the miner's widow at the
funeral.
CLARK stated in regard to the use of violence and coercion on the
part of members, that there wee no question in his mind but that some vio-
lence did occur. it was his opinion that the resnonsibility ié about
equally divided between the two unions. CLARE stated that the acts of
violence were gerteinly known to the management of Kine "B", but that there
wrs no indication that they were spurcred by it. Both ELSEOFT and IELZETTI
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protection while working in the mine or to stop the violence which was
occurring between Hovemher of 1939 and January of 1941. Local euthoritin
were not Cooperative. Both ELSEOFT and FELCEIII stated to FLb3K.that they
wished the violence would stop,
In regard to discrimination on the part of the management in
hiring new workers, CLh3K stated that it wen the tontention of PH? that
FALCETTI, who wee nrimerily concerned with the employment of new men. h
discriminated against PMW. On investigation, it was determined that
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FALCETTI had valid reasons for hiring miners, and that in so fer so possible,
in the opinion of CLARK, he sdhered to s strict middle-of-the-road policy.
FnlCETTI gave ClaRK e long statement in regard to the hiring of individual
men, end in many cases it was found that an individual miner had been recom-
mended by a Progressive, or had been employed by hine "B" st the time it
closed in 1937. ,
CLARK advised that in general IELGETTI could Justify the employ-
ment of every men. CLARK further stated, however, that in some cases he
was suenicious of individuals employed. Be mentioned an instance of !aLCITTI's
hiring e mine inspector for the State of Illinois who gave up this nosition
to work as e miner. This individual name unknown! was e member of the UMW.
Shortly after his emnloyment, the former mine inspector was given work having
to do with the ventilation of the mine and had access to the entire mine
because of this fact.
In connection with the charge alleging violation of whet hr. CLARK
believed to Section 8 ! of the National Labor Relations act which has todo with refusal to bargain in good faith, er. CLa3K stated that JDEH!K4NE,
attorney for the Progressive Mine Workers, contended that ELBHOIT ha de-
layed the proceedings by failure to attend meetings that had been arranged,
and in every other possible way. CLaRK had no specific information to-
offer in regard to this contention. He did state that he had talked to
ELSHCFY in regard to his negotiations with the PKW and had been advised hy
ELSHOFI that he was having greet difficulty in negotiating a contract with
the Pp" inasmuch es the local union at Mine "B" refused to give him the
same terns that were effective in the mines of nearby competitors.
CLARK stated that ILSHOFT showed him nhotostatic cooies of the
hooks of conneting PRW nines, indicating that maintenance men were neid
only when the mdne worked. ILSHOFF stated that he was attempting to secure
terns that were as favorable to him-but was unable to secure them with the
PEW. ILSECFT also indicated that he knew that the UM? adhered strictly to
the terms of their agreements, whereas this was not true of the PM , who
made side agreements with various mine owners. Both ELSHOFT and IRLGETTI
exoressed at various times to CLARK their dislike for the FEW, giving as
their reasons loose organisation and the tendency the union had to indulge
in side agreements with operators.
CLARK stated in regard to the contempt charges. that the National
Labor Eeletions Board was requested to file by Pith that they involved the
refusal of Line '3 to rehire four PMW workers who had been sentenced to
Leavenworth on Federal charges arising during the early pert of the Line '3"
controversy when s great deal of violence wee indulged in. These men had
been naroled end were ettemnting to secure employment at Nine "B". CLARK
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stated that the case wee presented before the Notional Lebor Relations Board
I li not to go ahead at Weshington, and it ues decided that as a metter o be cy
with the contempt nroceedings because of the fscts involved.
i ti ti the BMW: reoueut for certification of the When nvee go ng _Collective Bargaining Agent made eporoxinetely July 30, 1940, CLARK stated
-' 1' hi 1 that he analyzed the membership of both UHT and FLY, shoving date o r ng,
including ell those employed es of key 12, 193?, and that he also secured
union membership cards from both unions. He stated that in some cases
individual miners belonged to both unions, end that it was his recollection
that, including transfers, the UM" had e majority.
V d that the UMW had cooperated with him to the fullest _ GLnRn advice -ertent in sunplying witnesses and factual date. He further stated that he
i t the had submitted e complete renort on the results of his inveetiget on 0
H. i 1 Labor Relations Board at Chicago, as well ea various ntatements at one
taken from mine officials and minern. Ee stated thet his work papers were
Chi o and that from also included in the N.L.R.B. file, presumably at cog ,these paners he could give more detailed information in regard to the ltetus
enberohin at the time of his investigation. ,
CLa3K state definitely that he wee not connected with the hine
h "B" matter on hay 13, 1937, and that he had no details in regard to t e
f l a miners expelled from PHW, nor had he ever taken u the dismissal 0 twe v.matter with CnRL3EL$HOFF. He suggested that O. S. SLITE, former H.L.E.B.
D t r of the Field Field Roletione Examiner, Chicago, Illinois, now irec oDivision in Weahington, D.C., could give pertinent information in regard
to this,
Ee also advised that he had not seen s petition signed by members
of UR? dated between August 18, l937, and December 15, 1937. He did state,
' bet BAX IELDUBSOF as before mentioned, had turned over to himhovever, t ,erolicntion cards of UHW workers in 1940, and that probably some of these
bed been comleted during this period.of union m
RE aered to the writer to be unbiased in his attitude toward CLA. nor .both unions, and it is believed that he would make u good vitnese if given
an opportunity to review his renorte and work nnyeru.
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who resigned hie noeition an Fine Inuoector for the State of Illinois to
become a miner in Kine "B", and who subsequently was put in charge of re
ventilating system of that mine.
. will interview this individual, if his identity illearned, for information concerning his affiliation with UHW and organiza-tional work oerforned by him. Will also secure details of how he secured
employment at Mine "B".
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ELSI-JOFF created impression among committee of
miners that line A would reopen and men return
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knowledge o .e events surrounding the circumstances imrolvi the' ~ = at Mine A changing unions in the -latter part of 191+]-. ba furnished the following information giving e signed eta ement
which is set forth hereinafter:
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w.om ow o be e Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of
nvestlgetlon. No threets or promises have been made to induce me to
make this statement and I have been advised that I an not required to rake
any statement, and that any-thing I say may be used as evidence in court.
"1 recall that in the summerof 191.1, Mine A in Springeld,
Illinois was sold by its owner, iviillism I?-yen, to the owner of 1-tine B,
that in 1937, due to e dispute over the fact that about twelve spies of the
L115. were causing trouble among the men of Mine B, which men the operators
of Kine B refused to discharge, the P.l.£.A. union pulled the men out of
Kine B causing it to close down. I know that eventually Mine B- reopened
and that it operated with men of the U16? union. ' _Carlbéllshoff, the reason apparently being that Ryan was 'broke'. I know K
"I know thet at the time Mine A was sold to Mine B, Mine A
closed down, as it usually did each summer due to e regular seasoned p
closure. While Mine A was closed there were substantial rumors to the
effect that Kine A would reopen only under men in the ULIW. There were
also rumors to the effect that if Mine h did not open under the UH-1 that
the coal would probably be mined through iline B, which connected under-
ground with lline A, and which was s ULM mine. It was pretty well understoodby the PHA men as a result of these rumors that the owners of Kine B, who
were now also the owners of lline A, were in favor oi: the Ill-H? and would not '5
open Mine A under the PEA, "- "" 1
"About this time e special meeting of the FHA local was
called by the PEA local officers. This meeting was held at the PM. Hell
and I nee present es e member of the loo-ele I did not hold eny officie-l
position at this meeting. At/this meeting s number of the members dis-
cussed the general situation which I have mentioned, and the talk was that
the men of the local wanted to »get beck to work st Kine A regardless of ms.-
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owned by I'IJ.sho1f and that he favored the '
{FEM and that he probably would not open it under PNA, and that there- _r
fore if work was to be had it would be necessary to Join the U197. I0
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should go over to the URN, but
the effect that Mine A was new
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here wold be a meeting of the 1*-fine .1. local
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at the iisemesfs Hall, giving the time and date, and stating that the
purpose was to discuss the current situation.
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that he was on a committee ch had. The whole trend oiqtalk was that it had It d b Hr Elshoff that I-line A won reopen and employ the f been indies e y .tn um-I -stated that Hr Elshoff who
men only if they came over to e - . .
had not flatly stated this, but that this was the impression which
k and Elshoff had left with the committee. As a result of Que ,
the general discussion, the general feeling expressed 3* men present
th t the wanted to go over to the U157. I cannot positively say was a y
whether the men wanted to go over to the U15; because they likodthe U111?
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that it we for the latter reason
Jthii it Redmers Hal
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men present at the meeting at Redmen'e Hell to take s vote, no vote was
but another meeting was decided upon at the Rgdmems Hell meetirsg taken .It was subsequently amounced that this meeting would be held at the
the meeting at Elk's 0lub.- A few days after the R.edmen"s Hall meeting,Elk's Hall was held. Ilt was held on a Sunday,
_again spoke, enaspoke, end also Qmitt wh vzs ted Mr Elshoff spo e. _ F, who was a so on the co ee . , t e only hope tr the men to get their jobs in Nine A, was to Join the }I l 1 1 ft on the committee by Hr. -' UHW, inasmuch as this was the impress on e _
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unanimous in fiver of the PEA local going over to the U15. At this point
Mr. Edmundson was invited to come to the meeting, and he was informed
as to the decision which had been reached. He thereupon addressed the
meeting and stated that he was pleased to welcome the men into the 1321?,
and that he himself would do his beat to make it possible for the man to
go hack to work at Lfine A.
"_l;t the t_:t;|!1.:;l_1_1_5iQ;'l oi the meetig, 0 group of men Ient to
Edmundsonls office at his invitation. This roup numbered about six orseven men, d Welf. When we got
to Ed.rm.mdson's office we scussed the get ng of a charter for the new
union local, and Edmundeon said he would arrange for it and he also called.
his stenographer in and dictated a statement, which he signed, to the ef-
fect that he veoulci do all in his power to get the mine reopened and get tin
men beck to work in line A Edmmdson kept one copy of the statement,and gave the original touwith the understanding that if the mine re-
opened thct the statement would be given back to s.omun" dson.
"At the meeting in the Elks Hall, after the vote was taken
and Edmundson called, he sent his secretary for some application blanks
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ever indicate in ngy presence the extent of his relationship with Elshotf.
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concerning their plans for the operation of Kine k, or their relationship
he i di t d above wherein I heard the state- withthelm excetasl vs n cae _
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Springfield Field Division with its copies of this report. A
' - was questioned closely as to whether or not there
were two P.:-LA. meetings at the PJLA. Hell but stated that as far as
he knew there was but one meeting and that he had not realized that there
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of having contacted ELSHOFF. _
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in his signed statement at which several of the officials and men pre-
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EDIIIJNDSCN prepared the signed statement promising to do all he could
towards the reopening of the Kine. ea
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to his attitude toward the reopening of the
Unions. However, it is apparent that
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_ This Case Originated At SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS
Report Made At Date Made ' Period
SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS 9-13-43 9 2 thru 11File No. 44-18
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92~ ' e_>92__ JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL- a;;,»;ct;.; ¢;= 51;. ii
CIVIL RIGHTS AND
DOMESTIC VIOEHCE
x SYNOPSIS OF FACTS: Statements set forth of approximately 125 additional persons who were members of PEA Local Ho. 54 atlMinq_
:§:_in Hey 1937. In general, these statements eflect
that the vast majority of Mine B employees favored
PMA in May 1937; that the sit down strike which followed
the attempted opening on September 27, 1937, was carried
out voluntarily by Mine "B" employees without outside
assistance; and that the NLRB election of December 15,
1957, was carried out in a fair and impartial manner.
alleged UMW spies operating in EMA Concerning member
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_ tions with subjects ELSHOFF, FALCEHTI, and EDMUNDSON-K {f' ROBERT C. wOLOMON, President, Panther "reek Fines, Tnc.,: I P and his attorneys, L. G. PEFFERLE, and CLAYTON J. BARBER,1 A'{ furnished information concerning ELSHOFF's negotiations
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RE: JOHN 1.. LEWIS, ET AL
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Interviews with PLEA miners who
§mnh1rnA 0+ M{a "R" in unwr Q11!x-/4.vJu92.s I-Av .lIu4.L-AD aw 41.1 ung: y;|,|
Investigation concerning UMW labor
spies operating in PMA during
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Miscellaneous Interviews . . . . . . . Pages 405 to 449, inclurive
Index of Persons Interviewed . - . . . . Page 3-Let seq.
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INTERVIENS WITH PMA MINERS N-HO WERE
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interviewed at his residence at
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A" ness due to his poor speaking and difficulty in expressing himself. He
gave information as set forth in the following signed statement:3 IIHERVIEW vrrrn
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September 7, 1943.
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J Ll} " = % H I became an American citezn 12 I 111 9 .- Q . mg _s a eme nt to d ._ :_ 'Id'1O have
identified theme es o n- o be cia " -r;' ' - ' - Federal Bureau
of Investigation. No promises, threats, or consideration of any kind
-has been made to me to make this statement. I am willing, if necessary,
to go to court, and repeat any part of this statement....=.. ....._.- #1-my ucuun: J.
"I have been a coal miner since came to the United
States in I and have been a coal mimr ever since. I have _'-=,,.,,=,, ,,- 'orkin atm B sin_c_e_ Before 1932 I was a member of the United
Lfine Y{orReP§"of America. er 1932, the local at mine B belonged to
the Progressive Mine ziorkers oi America. I was never an officer of either
union. I attended the union meetings frequently, under both unions. In
1937, when the strike started, I was satisfied with the way that the local
and the Progressive 1-tine Workers of America were being operated. I do
not recall that the men out there were against this union. I do not
recall exactly why the strike started out there in l93'?. There had been
some quarrels over the amomt of pay, but I do not know if that was what
tho strike started over. -
was expelle I ..'. was not at the trial when he was eicpeITed,
and do not know exactly what it was that he was expelled for. I think
it was because he violated a rule of the union that a Pi.-EW member should
not associate with a member of the UMW. Cotton had been a good friend of
Tony Plotch for many years. Tony had been expelled I['I"0m the Pm? before,s_ known ,as;§_Q,o_t_t_cg11_
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. TH mine during the sit down strike, and stayed out there
part of the time. I was not working there on the day
continue that the sit down strike started, and do not know what
happened. I stayed out there part of the time. The
men who were there on the sit down were all men who had worked at Nine B
before, as far as I know.
"I recall voting at an election for the unions in the winter of
1937. As far as I know that was a fair election. No one told me how to
vote, or tried to influence my vote in any way. As far as I know
everyone had a chance to vote as they wanted to at that election.
"I do not recall exactly when I went to work at the Jeffersonmine. g'Cotton" was working out there, and he got me a job. I
worked ou ere about 11 months. It was a ULF7 mine, and so I joined the
U161? when I went to work out there. When that mine closed I had my card
switched over to the Mine B local of the ULIW. I did not care particularly
which union I belonged to then.
_ "I went back to work tixubering when the mine reopened. There had
been no big fires in the mine during the time that it was closed.
"There had been some big cave ins, and they have not been cleaned
up yet, in the south part. Some I helped to clean up myself.
"I knew eh he worked out there at mine B. He
was an Air Check man, r some 'ng like that. I went around testing air.
He had not worked at Mine B before the strike. _Be1ore the strike there
had been a man checkin the air part of the time, and working on otherthi s. we called when the mine came back, after the strike,came back 3,0111 to do the same so I work that he dide ore, and thaes doing. Jiftereft, no onewas hired to do that no o work, and st or there doing
the same sort of thing.
"I heard that there was fighting going on at the mine after it
reopened. I was not interested in the tings that happened out there,
and did not see any fights. I was a member oi the and did not try
to dojany organizing or anything like that. I do not know oi any
organizing that was being done out there at the mine during that time.
"I do not recall Falcetti or Elshofi saying anything about
either union, or which one they preferred. I did not see any papers
handed out anywhere on the mine property. I do not recall signing any
papers or petitions after the mine went out on strike."
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interview that he was not telling the truth and was in sympathy with DIN.
rnished the following signed statent:
"-gpringfield, Ills,
September 7, 1943.
mks the following wlmwsw =1=-resent
to "I.-"1-F and Whom I know to be Special Agents of
the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 0 force, threats or promises have been
mode in obtaining this statement and I know thlat what I may Bey may be used
in a court oi law.
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I rst became a member of UMW in about Din Springfield, Ill.
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RE; JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL. L9,? CL/
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INTERVIEW EITH as +?#=.-4. _ ewe Em ~= lilinoi. was iniervieve
The following signed statement was obtained fr
September 8, I943.
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made me.make the following voluntary statement toe 1+ 5- by Spél A an =
I - ~ i . ' V .'speaks and reads English very we , an- c an- qr-stlonl as
him. He stated he is willing to testify, but noted that his memory as to
specific dates is not too good. He claimed to have no criminal record.
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live at IQ $5->t@,;!1<1m.:.it '38 I °i11e¢'1 the Uii-65Mine Workers a{@n%f than union until 1952,
when I joined the regressive Fine Eorkers of America, Géh I was working
at the Peabody Mine. I started norkin; at Mine B in lQ5§H_and foined_the P.H
' - .1 i. 7 3 "»,.--..1~ -~e..,m1<"-;;i _ ~ .-- ' §".|L_ ,-..92.-.,;...J- 1,_'~=-.* e _ '_ I - " "%*l*v$§"e;=.-__,;1_'ve never Been an oilcer in any union.
"From 1934 until 1937, things went pretty smoothly at the mine,_until
about six months before the strike. At that time some friction started,
and some men began talking up the U.M.W, union= Some
Bohannon, Plotch, Carter, Austin, Sirtout, and Pasqua
never talked to me about the U.M.§., it was generally
doing it.of the men talking were
1e. Although they
known that they were
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to speak his mind, and I, as well as most of the men,member had a chance
was satisfied with
that union. I don't remember hearing of any favoritism shown by the manage-
ment to the U.H.F. before the strike.
"I don't remember the P.M.A. meeting the night before the strike.
A few days before the strike, I heard, at the mine, that the P.M.A. had de-
manded that the management fire some men for acts done in violation of
P.M.A. regulations. One of the men was AUSTIN, but Idon't remember the
names of any others. I heard of a P.E.A. meeting to discuss this question,
but don't remember when it was.
"I went to work on the day of th strike, and saw men loading their
cars short. I felt that some trouble was brewing, and didn't want any part
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RE: JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL.
IE? I n BITE Of itwkeontinuedi l
mine,
were loading short weights because the management refused to fire the men
as asked. The men didn't want to go on open strike, but hoped to force
company's hand in that way.
agreed among themselves to do it.
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faction among them. I don't
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up from the mine there was a lot of dissatis-
think the trouble was caused by the wage dis-
the P.E.A., because the men felt that the
good as the U.H.. I think the controversy
between the management and the P.M.A. over the retroactive clause in the
contract was brought on by the management to start trouble, and give the
management a chance to join up with the U.M.E.
"On the day of the
Plotch, Pasquale, and Pasquale's son, come up and go into Falcetti's
office. It struck me as funny, because the miners didn't usually associ-
ate with the management. It was especially peculiar, because I know they
had been agitating for the U.M.T. I saw them in Fslcetti's office, but I
don't know what they were talking about. Lhen I went home fro the mine
that day, I knew that the F.H.I. men wouldnt go back to work until a
settlement was made. I don't remember if the P.M.A. officers told us to
stay out or not.
ll Istrike, when I came up from the mine, I saw
I don t remember signing any P.M.A. petition, or any other, in
the summer of 1957. I heard at P.M.A. meetings that the U.K.L. was trying
to take over Mine B, and we'd have to fight to hold our jobs. I knew that
a U.M.L. local was organized in the sumer of 1957, but I wasnt asked to
j0il'1.
II - yI didn t go out to the picket line in th fall of 193?. It
seems to me that I went back to tho mine the night after the strike started
to picket one or two days, but not after that. In the fall of 1937, I paid
my dues to P.M.A., and wont out to the mine to pay them. That was the only
time I was around there. The decision to picket the mine was made at a
P.H.A. meeting, but as I was working, I didn't go.
"In December of 1937, I voted in an election at the State Arsenal.
L wuuu voluntarily, but don't remember how I got the notice. I voted for
P.H.A. because I was satisfied with that union. I felt that asnall group -T _.m_+
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.- .1"- I went back to get my tools, and quit for good. Ho
_ #~ COI'192-lnd , one, at any time, ever contacted, or said argrthing to
Q;_ um, about joining the U;M.U.M -- .
"I have read the foregoing, consisting of approximately four
pages, and state that it is true to the best oi my knowledge and recollection
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RE: JOHN L. LE-ZIS, ET AL J9 ?¢_,
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ITITERVIET *;1"":~: 3J r 1
Spring eld,
home on Septembir L, l !Z,3 by 5pecial hgnts§ _ Q This Plan exhibited a lack of .
~ Q very poor memory, and an inability to express himself coherently.
cl he never was arrested.
Springfield, Ill.
September 4, 1943
'=."';_.m.j __ _ 3'- e following statement freely and voluntarilvt; a who have identified themselves to
mo as Specal gents of the Fodxra ureau of Investigation. No threats ,-or
pIOITliS=3S have been made to me to ootein this statement.
' "I presently live ;_ ___» ll. and. *- 1am employed at Mine D. I was o or j_
I came to the United States in was naturaiize in --. -1 0::
Ill.
"Iri_I first joined a mine union, the United 1-iine ""01-kers. In
11332 I joined the Progressive Mine horkers of America. I rejoined the U.k5.'-.?<7.
in 1940. I have never held an office in any union.
"I don't rememb-zr anythin, about the reasons for the strike in 1937.
No one came to me before the strike to try to get ne to join the U.L1.T-'. I
was satisfied with the P.I£.A. and it made no difference to me whether I
belonged to one union or the other.
".»1fter the strike started Dominic Pasquale, 1-mdy Schrelevious, and
Frank ustin at one time or another talked to me about joining the U.M.W.
They did not threaten me. I thin}: I joined the U.Ii.T.-'. in l9l+O, but I am
not sure. I joined the U.}!.j. because QYa;I'yO1'1E else was joining that union.
"I was only interested in working for 1113' living and I did not pay
much attention to union activities. I was willing to belong to whxbever
union would look out for me, and satisfied the majority of the miners.
"I have had this statement read to me and I state that it is true
to the best of m' knowledge."
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poor2 _ 4'}?-.'.Y WITH was int-ed by S cial Agents.,|._.I _. egpprggggg him.-
92 m s which is below se and his ~- =-;- 0 g ,
the avers-fe miner, makes it diff; ioi him to properly answer questions P1 4 4put to him. He is cooperati-ee.. l.1:'nished the following s..gned
signed statement: i
Illinois
September 4, 1943
"I,T,f;i§§?i..,_ residin; at make the following
voluntary statement to 7§§- _, ;r and both of whom
- ' ' Eureau ofhave identified themselves as pec al Agen
Investigation. No threats v been made to get me to make atatement. I was born on and came to the U. S. in
a e a U S citizen i' 't ave -- n working in the mines I bec-m . . .e,since and joined the United I-fine Workers I started to work at
Mine B a_-it 1935 and am still employed there. joined Progressive in
1932 and have never held an office in any union.
"Progressive was started in 1932 when John Lewis stole some ballots.
I had nothing to do with starting PEA. I do not go to many union meetings.
"As I remember, we had no trouble at Mine B in 1937 because of
wages or contracts. we did have trouble with some spies, men who were
working for U.M.W. Some of these men were Cotton, Tony Plotch, Bowling
Green, and other's. There were about twelve or iourteen of these men. They
never talked to me. P.h.A. gave these men lay off, expelled! because they
were spies. This happened at a PEA meeting. I wasn't there but I heard
about it the next day. The company wouldn't fire these men although they
were supposed to. The rest of the FHA men got mad because the company
wouldn't fire these men. I don't remember any talk-about wages at this
time, although I recall that we were supposed to get some back pay when the
new contract was signed. to felt that P.H.A. would get a good contract,
as good as U.M.. ~
"On the day of the strike I was working as a digger I I I
went down in the pit that morning, same as usual, and I don't remember any
trouble or argument that morning. I don't remember any cars being loaded
short maybe I heard about it, but I am not sure. As I remember we were
called out of the mine early that day, the men were mad because of the spie
working there to. Then I came out of the pit, I went on hime. I am not
sure when I learned there wasa mxke, whether it was that day or the next.
The reason for the strike was because the men wouldn't work with those spies,I
"I do not recall signing any petitions that summer, maybe I did
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M: JOHN L. IEJIIS, ET AL J;
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INTERVIET WITH but I can not remember well. I bi
continued! "In September, l937 I was notified that the mine was going
to open. When we got out there those spies were there too,
and we wouldn't work with them. we staited a picket line then and wou1dnt
let anyone go to work. I stayed on the picket line, coming home once in
awhile, and remained there until a Federal man-came and made us leave. I
could come home whenever I wanted to while the picket line was there.
"I voted in the NLRB election in December of 1937. A bunch of us
went from Auburn to Springfield where we met at the Union Hall. Small grOups_
then went from there to the Armory and voted. The election was quiet and
I saw no trouble.
' When the mine opened in 1939 I was notified to come to work and
I did. At that time I was still a member of P.H.A. I remained e memberof P.}I.A. until sometime during the summer of 1940 at which time I joined
United. I joined United because there wes use much trouble. fellows going
d h tt th f ll ' W. . ~+e@»ee;_* I. I . . /er-oun 1 ing o .er c on-.s. tried to get me to Join U.M. . -
and told me if I didn't I might we kic ev out of the mine or it might cos . A __ ,
me e lot of money. One morning while I was at the min- _m .. one man knock
another men down but I went right into the washhouse. f%¥i3j;. = came to
my house just once, trying to get me to join U.H.W.
"The above statement was read to me by
and I declare it to be true and correct to the best of my memory.
witnessed:
Special Agents, FBI, '
U. 5. Dep't. of Justice"
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;Re: JOHN L. IE -T'IS, ET AL
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interviewee
Q he is
:was observed to be a person of ordinary intelligence.
He appeared to be honest and cooperative, although he claimed that due to .his position 35. at the mine he had little knowledge as to what
went on in the min- a I pali little attention to union matters. It is notbelieved that would be e particularly good witness tut he would
be willing to db las s in the event he is needed. He advised that he
has no criminal record.
gave the follo".-ring signed statement:
III
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ment.OISept. 3, 1943
give the following ststement
are known to me to be Special Agts. of
promises have been made me to procure this state-
": was born near Springfield, I11. At present I
am employed at Panther r e ' lne o. 1 I joined e mine union at Barclay}
Ill when I vis abou vrs. old I have never held any union office.1 51,-gt iiorkea in :1g_ q I have _woIked there continouslx
while the mine was running until Aug. 943.
"Prior to 1932 Elshoff and UEE got on alright as for as I know.
In 1932 John Lewis was supposed to have stolen the ballots and the Mine
"B" men went to P..A.. I
did.
along
heard Elshoff or Falsetti
getting U.H.7. beck, they
officials and members hed
few who wanted to go beckdid not care which Union we belonged to, never
From 1932 to the time of the strike Eshoff and P.MuA. seemed to get
good. I know they hoisted more coal than they ever did. I never
soy anything about getting rid of P.h.A. and
wouldnt say anything to me. I think the P.lLA.
some difficulty; seemed to me there were some
in-U.M.7. even then. As far es I know 10031 SL
P.H;A. was alright, I never suspected the P.M.A. officials of stealing any
of the money, the dues were no higher than U.H.T.
say who QEEE it. Btueen"I remember the convictim of the P.H.A. men for bombing. I couldnit
1932 and the time of the strike in 193?_ I don't
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burr? nrmu bel4Qun n urn aver n<@tataa nib m4na_ T heard that i-.e vqmlna V.-. p-- ---- -0- mi -. _ »-_ -"_
Andrew Schrelevious, Dominic Pasquale, Pete Carter,
con inue. Frank Austin, Tony Plotch, Geo. and Emory Jacawayy
many wanted to go over to U.H.W. none of them bothered me at this time.
Chas. Bohanon and James Hale were trying to see hon
"Between 1932 and 1937 I never heard of Elshoff or Falsetti giving
any parties for the U.M.W. officials. I wasn't in any position to hear this.
I was not very active in union affairs.
"Just before the mine closed I recall the contract ran out the
first of April as always. I did not hear anything about any agreement under
which the men were working. No one said anything to me about it. I never
heard anything about the possibility of the P.H.A. not being able to get as
good a contract as U.H.U. at that tine I was on a switch Engine and didn't
have to be1ong'to the Union. I don't remember anything about any disputes
on pay day at this period.
kicked
out. I heard some men were kicked out but I don't know.for sure. On the
morning of Nay 12th I was working on the Tine "B" railroad and knew nothing
about any possibility of a strike. I believe they quit working sometime
before quitting time. I don't really know whether the strike was caused over
wages or over the Co. refusing to fire the expelled men. It might have been
either one. I know or rather heard that some cars were loaded short the day
of the strike but I didn't see any of them at the time. I heard one of the
men tho favored U.M.J. say he loaded cars that way because his buddy did
and he felt he had to. I don't know why the cars were short loaded or who
gave the orders for it. "I r-HA on +.l-n: nnqfi nn hi. whi h I:r92mr= tho man WQPQ92,',|.92.,A L.-1l92-A uziu .|92,uu;.1|b mu "1zJ.92-0:5 vvl-Iv I-luau l£l92lll I-wow
petition of the P.MLA. on May 26, 1937. I
as I would get work one place or another
most of the time. I do recall signing some petition for the U.M.W. thinking
at the time that the U.1LE} was in the majority_ I found out later that
I was misinformed. I don't know who told me that. When I found out that
this was wrong I went up and withdrew my name. Prior to signing the U.M{I."I don't remember the
wnsnt around most of the time
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_, jkshf J y and they claimed they had a majbrity.
"5$3 iii It "I don't remember signing any other fetitions during
the summer. It made no difference to me which union
I joined. I wanted just to go with the majority of the men. I dont remember
anything unusual happening during the summer of 1937 up to the time of the
strike. '
I was there when they tried to open the mine in Sept. 1937. I
just went out and set on the engine and did no work. I don't know if anyone
went into the nineor_not. I had been working all along up to this time_
the engineers don't go out on strike. Sometime during the sit~down strike
the mine operators laid the engineers off because the mine had been shut
darn so long. I never participated in the picketing at all; I was there in
my capacity es an engineer. After I was laid off I never went back to the
mine till it reopened for good. The strike was peaceful and I know of no
outside men being brought in by P.H.A. to help in the picketing. If any
drunks came out the P.I.A. men took them awiy. I think the men were there
of their own free will. I heard one man say they were just protecting their
jobs.
"I think Elshoff was appointed receiver over the Jefferson mine.
I understood thet some of the men from Nine "B" Went over there and did some
work I don't know why this n
to keep the mine closed for so
getting some money from Iewis.
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"'.}'hen the mine opened
was going to open kt that tiTS done.
long. I
N.L.R.B.
the lastI don't know how Ellshoff was ablejust heard some talk that he was I
election but took no part in it.
time I received some notice that it Ime I was working u-réso I told felsetti
I would have to give some notice. He told me th t was a right to work
another shift and cone back. hen I went back I paid my dues to the PTOgT9SSiT8a
up until the time I sew it was useless. They finally_ when all the men were
sining up brought FE an apnlication and told me I would hive to sign up
3"1ln even though I had signed before. Some Italian fellow brought this
to |.:.
they felt it was their only hope of keeping working. They knew that Elshof
would refuse to do business with the Progressives and figure that was the
only way to keep the mine open. From the time we went beck to work up
until the 2nd N.L.H.B. election I don't recall signing anything for either-blonk to me at the nine_ I signed it without being compelled because everyh
one else was eoine over. The men I be1ieve' went over to U.H{7. because
side except when I went over to_U.H.W} I never even saw a fight during the
time from when we went back to work and the 2nd N.L.R.B. election.
"I voted in the 2nd N.L.H.B. election. Eobody forced to vote
in this election or how to vote. As far as I know the election was square.
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_ Ml. Host all the men had a].re=-dy signed up for U.lI.TJ.
but I heard they still didn't all vote that way. I
one e reckon I voted U.M.¥-. but I really don't know. I
- think the U.M.F. won because a lot of the P.M.A- men
were gone lots of then didn't come back and I think the men just decided
that was the only way out if they wanted to work. The Co. just refused
t~ have anything to do with the PTogresives_ I don't know why but they
did. I don't know anything about the condition of th mie when Opened.
I know they don't get out as much coal as they used to but they don't have
as many men either. I don't know anything ebout any fire in Mine "B"
while it v.'_aS closed. I don't remember anything about the meeting at whicharrls kicked out because of an argument over money matters.
"I have read the foregoing stntement of 9 pages and it is all true
to the best of my knowledge. I am therefore signing this of my own free will.-
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Speci-=11 Agent F.-.I. iiilm, Wis.!
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" F P9292 F - 'PPG 8is CO-0ncr8tiV£*, and it 15 felt WOU.lG make a satisfactory witness It is
noted that he was not working at Mine "B" from l934.Lntil 1940. He was
rehired at Mine "3" in 1934 after an absence of several months. However
P341. would not allow him to work and as a result he felt bitter toward PM-..
is noted that USC.R F LCETTI was aware of this trouble when he rehiredbra 1940. m-'1.n'r1ished the following statement.
"Springfield, 11l_
Sept_ '7, 1943
the following voluntary statement to
both of whom have identified them-
the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
No throats or promises have been made to me to induce me to make a
statement.
Dom _; and came to the tI.s.H _ a U. S. citizen and presen y reside atI am not employed at the present time.
111 started working for 1--Fine B in
the first Progressive Convention in 193 . it this time in Spring-
field the men in the United Tine getting pretty sick of the U.L:{.1'.'.
.. lot oi the men were being kicked out of their jobs and put on
the road for minor reasons. The men in United figured if they
for-med a new union their troubles would be over, but it didn't
turn out that way. The men then started Progressive in about 1932.
The Progressive and militant members of United flocked to the Pro--
gressive and it S92-_-92:!HGd to have a good start to be the best union.
"The fro.;rt-ssive element seemed to fall off after April of 1934
£< the U.I-5..-. union seemed to be grow-ring.s I left Kline 3.1:: 1934.
.-hen I left I-Zine B it Sm.-mCd to re as though the union officers of
progressive were a bit weak and didn't seem to be able to lead the
common membership. The local never seemed to be able to control
the men and keep them in line as far as my opinion goes. The union
seemed to be getting along OK with the coznpangr though up till the
time I left the company at least. -
"__ll the time I was in the Progressive union I was trying to
have that union organize all the miners and unify them for a common
3 _ C . ._ . Wcause to- -. . ti. .,1..h I left 1!1;;s Q 11;, 19.» wt to _ ?;- ii; :'.~ E - .. _ . _ .,__I:_.__ .$:;i_;..2 L_J;~:q-92 .. __-1.2: '
came oac o ihne B in abou i"¬="'or hovem6Eriani" *92to
my job back at Mine B. I saw Oscar Falcetti and he gave me my job
back. Then I went up to the Progressive union meeting and was told
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INT 7" H that I was behind in my dues and they didn't consider
me a member in good stlnding. I had worked at Mine B
ontinued! one day when the pit commttee told Falcetti I was
not in good standing at the union and that I should go to the unioi
and striighten it out. Jhen I got to the union hall I talked to
of Progressive and asked him if I could be reinstated. He said I c0§Ia5'!
start out at Mine 3 while other Progressives were out of work. He more
or less evaded the direct question as to my reinstatement and in my
opinion the frogressivcs didn't want me to get beck in the uion or work
at Kine B."I drew up an appeal from the decision and mailed it to the Nationalll
Secretary, Mr. Keck, at Gillespie, but I never got an_answer. I was going
to fight the cssc, but node up my mind I would never join Progressive again
and in fact was quite mad at rrogressives. I worked at EPA and odd jobs
from 1934 to the fall of 1940.
"In the fell of l9LO, I knew there was a little trouble at the
mine 8 was told by SOmC of the men that United was in majority E that I
could probably get e job out it Hint B. I called Falcetti and asked him
if I could have u job. He told me I could always have a job at Kine B
and asked me if I had a card. He knew that I had some trouble with
progressive and I Suppose he was referring to that when he asked me abou$92
the card. He asked me if I could get n card and although he didnlt say
it, I took it for granted that he wanted to know if I could get a union
card in United, Then I wont out to the nine I was approached by Joe
nlbenose who Jskcd ms if I wanted to join United. Nobody told me to see
Joe, but he woe on top near the tipplc and asked me to join. It is al-
most a matter of policy for all ndncrs unions to have a men on top whose
job it is to see all new men and try to sign them up. I joined the U.M.".
at that time. I heard that there was a lot of fighting going on at Mine
B from 1939 until 1941, but I p;rsonally never saw any fighting,
"I worked at Z-Jiue B from 1940 until Dur-
ing the time I was the mine snd before the election, I persona y "-d
talked to some of the men and talked to them about joining the U.M.n. In
my opinion there isn't room for two unions in the coal mining business
and as far as I'm concerned I would bc_sotisfied iimthe U;,1;;_ ~$ the
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picions. There was nothing to indicate anything was being done wrong
in the local, 3L 92If F"I did notice- that during the period from 1940 there were a 92C.¢!
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and many of them were united men, and I think that
a lot of those men are still working there, I was
attendance at meetiugs up mtil
2 short time ago. I haven't been to e uion neeting of the U.H.H.
though for about a month.
"I believe that Falcetti worked
Ilshoff was appointed receiver. The min
believe. I don't know anything further
mite at any other time. I did hear thatat the Bremerton mine in 1934 when
e was then under progressive I
about Felcetti working at that
the men were only paid 75% of
their wages, but I don 't know who got the balance.
I xas ven some poor
and that he would give me a job because
I voted in the NLRB election in Feb. of
be all right at that tine. I have read
6 pages and wish to state it is true toI t!!!
by the progressives
he felt I was entitled to one.
1941 and everything seemed to
over this entire statement of
the best of my memory.
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W H, was interviews a s one on eptem r 2, 1943, by Special
_-gentsand - speaks Eh-nglish very well
and is able to understard an answer qucs ions asked of him. He expressedllj-5 willingness to testify in court if necessary. =ad.-mltted that he has
been arrested several times for drunkenness, but denied anv her crimina'J.
record. The following signed statement was obtained from
""pringfield, Ill.
September 2, 191.3
"ii ..-"" the following voluntary statement to .$ whom I know to be Special Agents
o- Bl_1;"9& on, oi my own iree will, with
' no threats or promises made to me.
S ringfield, Illinois.
I am not employed
a mine uion, the United
en employed at Mine B. I remained a
member of that 1932, when I joined the Progressive
Mine aorkers. I took no part in the organization of the P.M.A.,
but joined it when the rest of the men at ljine B did. As I re-
mcmber it, the P.H.n. was organized by tho men in 1932, because
of certain ballots supposed to have been stolen. Lewis had tried
to sign a contract with the mine operators, making the minors t
take a reduction in pay. The minors voted on the question, but
before the vote could bu counted, the ballots had disappeared.
Lcwis signed a contract with the mine operators at a lower wage,
thus forcing the men to go back to work at a l0Wu!." wage scale.
The locals of U.H.W,, because of this, stayed away from the U.MJ§.,
and swung over to P.H.... nnien that union was organized. I was
dissatisfied with the U.M. I. even before this time, because I
didn*t think the U,M,?, was doing all it_could for the non.
n. and with the way
The P.}.!.a. always
terms of their con-I was borr.
at the
Mine Workers, uh
"I was entirely satisfied with the P.T£.
the way the P.Ilf.i.. was rm by its 0ffiCO!5.
made the optrators of Mine B live up to the
tract, and always treated the men squarely.
trouble between the mine management and the
and the strike in 1937.I don't remember of
P.,!_-1,», between 1932
"The only thing I can remember about company favoring of any ' /
union was one time when l._l!£!.5Jalking.tn.@_91L1|J@ri§-*t@d@f11i,' pT,o*> ?4 V1».-1,I.~¢:=.%..1=,n1.; IH§ e ;.>.m,.;no Wu. it Iie._eiid.i1e.. P_Q11la._ set /""'better go ond1t,io{@_s,y®.&I -__ than out of P,M.a. , that the
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joining the U.M{U. before the strike in 1937.
"I remember seeing a notice of a special meeting to be held by
the P.M.A. on the night before the stike. This bulletin was placed on
the bulletin board at the mine. I did not attend the meeting, and
don't remember why the meeting was held, although it might have been to
discuss the terms of the contract to be signed by the P.M.A. with
Llshoff.
"On the
J-,--. .. I4->1 ;-,1: TUULJ U 'L..LULl'92-0 ,1.day of the strike, we were
Ann !-l- P71!-92T.f -Z 1' 4- 1--n_1 II92fQ92P92 1-1'r;v92r;Ll92J.l..l V I92-ll-LI" J--L UIAC lJ]rl1 I"-I1 Jcalled out, as I remember, about
called out by the P.H.a. or by
the management. I don't remember hearing anything about the cause of the
strike, and I don't recall any of the men loading their cars short on that
day. I don't remember hearing any talk about U.M.U spies being discharged.
_ "I don't remember getting any notice that the mine would be re-
opened before the fall of 1939, when it actually did open. In Scptcnbr Of
1937, when the nine attempted to open, with U.M{H. men also to work, the
P.M.A. agreed by vote, to picket the mine and not allow any U.H.h. man
to work it. The purpose of the picket lino was to keep the management
of Mine B from using U.H.~. men, and allowing then to take over the jobs
of the'P.M.a. men. I remember that some of the men who were in the U.M.U.
at that time, and wanted to go down in the mine, were Bohannon, Hale, Pas-
quale, Carter, austin, and some others whose names I can't remember. At
the time of the federal injunction, in 1937, I felt, as did most of the
men, that its purpose was to get us off the mine property. I was on the
picket line, and saw only Zine B men there. after the union vote, we
oz ided on the picket line, but no one was forced to go out to the
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be.an election held by the labor board. I also heard about the election
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;|1qTERv1g,, 1,,IT;-1 "1 don't know much about the bombings in theQ territory, but I seem to remember that most of the
ontinue ! men didn '1-. believe that all who were accused of it
were guilty. _
"In the fall oi 1939 I heard through the P.M.h. officials that
the mine was going to reopen. I think they said that the nine would re-
open mder a U.M T; ntract. bout one week before the nine opened,Bohannon arndicame to my house, and asked me to join the U.-"lE.f¢".
They told me that all he men were going U.M.'--. and I had better join
up if 1 wanted to work. side from that, they did not use any threats.
I told them I didn't want to sign up, that I didn't want to work in coal
mines any more. hhun I went back to work, in the fall of 1939, I just
cleaned up some of the work left at the time of the strike, not taking
H101"; thin :1 couple of days, and then quit. I had some loose coal, that had
been shot, and wanted to load it, and get credit for it. I also thought
that sooner or later the mint would go back U.l.!.--. and - didn't have any
thing else if I could, - ' '-
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"One day in town, after I quit the mine, I saw one of the men, [92, who was hurt. I asked 1-hat had happened, and was told that he had
at up in the mine. I heard of others who were beat up, but I can't
remember their names did hear that they were beat up because they
didn t want to join the 11.11.», '
told Den 1ieGill and that he never would Sign another
contract with the P.n.... I also more somewhere that the Ifine B manage
and the U.M,-1. men had a beer picnic, but I don't know the time and
place, or any more about it."I remember hearing, while the strike was going on, that Elshofm
"I did not vote in the election of 1941, and never joined the
U.!.I.".i. -
"I Know that there was no posi tthe mine before the strikefor an air-checker. it-ftf the strikt-,had a job called that,
and I heard that :1 person had to see him you 1 cmted to get a job
at liine B.
The above Statement, consisting oi approximately five and a
quarter pages, has been read to me, and I state it is true to the best
of my knowledge. M ._"' itn<.ss' Q /Sf -1 ,.§..w,k_ ,. _use for the 15.1.1. -1. I also wanted to get out oi the mines and into some- frL
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I1 ino s, wa inerviewe a me on I-3 =|1 A:1943, by Special Agents : _ .peaks English very poorly, an 15 a e to uners --
gn y when spoken very slowly and plainly. He can write only his name.
He expressed his willingness to testiiy in court on this matter, and oleimed
that he never has been arrested.
The fo1_'Lo'v.'in{_ is the signed statement as eiecited by
"Springfield, I11.
September 3, 1943
make the following voluntary statement
whom I know to be sneciel a ents of A __g
, oi my own free will, with no threatsthe
or promi ses made
I was and entered
the United States ir.
work at the Panther
Springfield.zen
Number 4, and live
"I joined the United Line Workers in Springfield in- and
remained a member of that union until 1932, when I joined the Progressive
Nine J-Yorkers of America. In January of 191.1, I joined the U.li.TJ. Again,
and was a member of that union until I quit Mine B, and went to work at
Panther Creek. I am now a member of the P.hI.A. again. As I remember, the
PA-.'.A. was formed because the men didn't like the idea of Lewis accepting
lower wages for the men ag£|iSt their wishes.
"The P.1i.A. union was a good one. The union looked out for
the men's interests, and treated them fair and square. Although I didnt
go to many meetings, I was entirely satisfied with the P.tI.A. From 1932
to 1937, I didn't know of any trouble at the mine between the mine and '
Elshoff. ' '
"I don't remember enything about a P.LI.A. meeting the night
before the strike. On the day of the strike the men all went down into the
mine. Tfhen the I-line Management let some men, who were kicked out of the
P.I!.A. because of U.I.f.?:'. work go down into the mine, the men, members of
P.M.A., began loading the cars short. The union officials hadn't told the
men to do this, but the men did it on their own. About two o'clock, the
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'- . " Y came -to me t'h-at summer, at any time before I went back to
work, and tried to get me to join the U.H.U. In December
of 1937, at an election, I voted for the P.M.A., because I
liked that union, and didn't like the U.H.W.
"I started work at Mine B again in December of 1939; Almost every day
don't remember who they weremen came to me and talked to me and tried t t me to join the U.l£.TT. Iexcept one was They all told me that1*0 I U if I didn't sign with U.H.T. I'd lose my job: ina y joined the U H J ,
sometime before the election of 1941. I joined only because I was afriad I
would lose my job if I didn't.
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U.H.T., I voted
the P.LE.A., andafter I joined the U.I-.1."-T. I ms given a different place to work.-than the one I had before- and was told that ii I didn't like
for the P.7T.A. because conditions were 100?; better under
I liked that union much better. Under the P.bE.A. I had better ,my job. In the election df 1941, although I was a member of ohm
hrooms, and conditions were much better.
"One day, after the election,=md another man came to 1 {Q
my room in the mine, grabbed me by the ems, an wanted to know why I said kl
that I had been
and, when I told them I hadn't said it to anyone, they left, I never didmade to join the U.L.T. They didn't hurt or threaten me,
tell anyone I was made to join the because I was afraid to say any-
thing like that, because I know I would have been beat up if I did.
"In September of 1937, when they tried to open up the mine, we went
out to the mineto go to work. Falcetti asked the president of the P.M.A. 9292
for 50 men to open the mine. The president said he would {jive him 100 men _.to work the mine. Fnlcetti told him that he, Felcetti, didn't want P.E£.A.
men, he Wented U.H.T. men. He srid he wouldn't open the mine if the U.M.F.
men didn't come
ber of 1937. I
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Mine B man.in to work it. I heard Falcetti say this at Mine B in Septem-
wont on the picket line at that time, because I wanted to,
anyone forced me. I didn't see anyone there who wasn't a ~
"I after he was beat up in the nine. He Was beaten
b;~.ce.use_ he didn't want to join the U.id.'".
"I have had the fore, -oing, consisting of about three and a half
sages, read to me and I state that it is true to the best of 1-cnowledge.
was present when this was read to me.
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INTERVIEW WITH who has also used the name
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it is believedused name onEnglis a r y well,
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that he worked a rentice underhis work pap¬rS. iS able to
but is able to express himself only in simple te
limited reading and writing ability in English aid he iswilling to testify :i_n court. He stated that he has never been arrested.
The following signed statement was obtained fronzg
92'1.Q1'r'i f" Trl- T11-p.-ng-ie_-, ___=
Sept. 2, 1943
H1 » also 1. iv 1'-he
following vulun arj a ement to anc .
whom I know to be Special Agents o ' e eral Bureauo - ation,
"of my om. free will, with no threats or promises made to me.
I presently live at , Springfield, Illinois,J_4im_~¢T-;Am re on the mine lists as
ch name I men ame "to
had the experience. when lie left the mines, I used his
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_"I was born in - I entered
the United State a.nd became a natlized ci izen at Spring-
field. 111.. in uner petition numbercertiilcate numberjoined a union, the United Mine "¢"'~ ox-Eers in %and
" {$31318 a member until 1932 when I joined the Proressi e Ziine, -Z5" 1- '..92-.P'l>.' --workers of America. I began work at Hine 3 in I Joine
the U,1_{, 1', just after the election in February 19,-" 11' en t e U.H.'.
W011.
"I Joined the P.M.A. because the majority of the men were in
favor of it. I didn't take any active part in organizing the P.H.A.,
but just went along with the men, I was never an officer in any mien.
From 1932 to 1937, I saw or heard of no trouble between the P.M.a. and
the management, and I did not know of any bad feeling in the union, on
the part of the men against the officers of the P.M.A., or anything like
that, I went to some of the P.M.A. meetings, but not very many. The
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JTERV ' .u TH P.M.A. tried to cbthe best it could for its members, and
2- was run all right.
Cont us-
I do not remember going to any P.H.a. meeting the night before
the strike. I don't remember if a notice of the meeting was posted or not,
and I don't know the reason for the meeting. A day or so before the strike,
in 1937, I knew that there was going to be a strike. A couple of men told
me there would be one, but I don't remember who they were or exactly what
they said. Because of this I din't go out to Ine B on the day of the strike,
so I don't know what happened that day.
"I don't remember Slgning any paper for the F.H.A., or for any
union, in the summer of 1937. I do know that I was not asked to join the
U.M.H., either before the strike, or during the summer of 1937.
"I don't remember any notices being sent no about the mine being
reopened. I did picket at the nine in the fall of I937, when the other
P.H.A. men mid, but I was not forced to. I did it because I Wanted to be
uith the majority of the men. I do not remember seeing any non there who
were not working, or had been worki;g, at Kine 3. I do not know the*
reason we were picketing, but I do remember that we heard of the federal
injuction several days before the U. S. marshal came out to the mne.
"In 1937, I remember that I voted in the election held at the state
armory. I don't know how I knew aoout the election, but I do know I voted
for P.H.A., because I thought it was the better of the two uions. Ho
one made me vote at the election, but I did it of my own free will.
"I don't remember exactly, but I think that I hoard about the re-
opening of Bins B in 1939 over the radio. I don't remember getting any
notice from the mine management or from the union. I was sick at the
time and think I started back to work at line 8 in 194C. About a week after
I started back to work, some nan I d1d't know came to me and told me I
ought to join the U.M.h. because they were going to run the mine. I
told him I wouldn't join up right away, out would when I thought the majority
of the men wanted that union. This is the first time anyone ever talked to
me about the U.M.1., and I never was threatened in any way. I joined the
U.H.Y. about two weeks later, because I thought most of the men wanted it,
and I would have to, to keep my job. No one ever told me that I would
lose my job if I did't sign up with the U.M.s. If anyone had said so,
I would have quit. es it was, I joined without any threats being used.
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._ I had, I probably *would'have voted for the P.1.-1.11., be-t ' ' b . . -.'_ and liked ontinued cause I nad a lot of erlends 1n he P Ll A ,
it better than the U.1£."i. Today, however, it makes no difference to me
which union is in. I just want to work, and keep my job.
"The above statement has been read to me in the presence Q1"?
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2* 17 o i¥5ents and
1,' s a itizen and speaks English good and snoiu mare i
air w1 oss e p his knowledge of pertinent facts to this case 1|
limited due to his not being employed at Mine "B" during the whole controver-
sial period. He has_no known criminal record. '
The following signed statement was obtained from ;
3 111.
September 4, I943.
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Bureau of Invest on.
to get me to make a statement.
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I began working in coal mines at Ill. about r I
joined UM? at that time and remained such unti 1 2 when I joino .M.A.
I was working at Panther Crock Mine #1 at that time and our local voted to
change to PEA and then the mine shut down. I did not work in the mines after
that until I started at Mine "B" in 1936.the following voluntary statement'b
who are Special Agents of the Federal
r promises of any kind have been made
I knew of no trouble at Mine "B" when I first started to work
there but a month or so before the P.H.A. contract ran cut, I remember some
one tolling m that U.M.3. was attempting to sign up the miners in UNI. Alittle late! a man named gtold me that the shot firer whose name was
"Jimmy" was asking the men to join U.M.h. and that I should watch my step
but he never did ask me to join U.M.B.
"During this time I heard that Joe nlbanese, Andrew Schrelevious,
Dominic Pasquale, Pete Carter, Frank Austin, Tony Fletch, John Ananias, John
Sirtout, Charles Bohannon, James Halo, were all working as spies at Mine "B"
but none of them ever approached me to get me to join U.M.NZ before the
strike in 1937-
* "I did not know any of those men had been expelled from P.M.A.
at the time of the strike and I did not hear that we were supposed to load
cars short on the day of the strike. I worked a full day and loaded all
cars the same as I had been and had two cars loaded in the mine which were -
letor hoisted when the mine was opened for one day by U.M.E. I learned that
the mine was on strike the next day when I went to work the next day. I
learned that the reason for the strike was because the men refused to work
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the strike .with those men who had been expelled, and that tbB92"men were expelled for trying to organize for U.l.E.92
'1 signed a petition for P.H.A. about two weeks after
'1 don't reeell signing any other petitions in the sumer of 1937.
I sew in the paper that the mine was to reopen and I went to the mine with
my bucket expecting to go to work but when I got there these 12 men or so
were lined op et the company office with Oscer Feleetti and the P.H.A. men
refused to work with these 12. I did not hear any comments by fégeetti at
that time but Felsetti did tell me at my home one time while the mine wasclosed that he didn't think Kine "B" would ever open up under P.M.A. contracttx
"I picketed at hine "B" until we were served with an injunction-
Only Kine "B" employees were pickoting.
"I voted in the N.L.R.B. election in 1937 and in my estimation
the election wee fair end conducted in e satisfactory manner! He went in
groups from the P.M.A. hnll to the election and there was no vience at this
time that I know of, nor were we threatened at anytime during the election.
There was en attempt to open the mine again shortly after the
election but only 18 men who were U.M.W. went down the shaft and the rest
of us refused to work with them.
"I then got a job in February, 1938 at Panther Creek No. 5 Mine
and em still employed there. I em still e member of P.N.A. end I have not
held en office in any union,
"About Christmas, 1937, Pete Carter and another men unknown to me
came to my house attempting to get me to join Uh so the mine could be
opened but I refused because I like FHA better than Us 92
"I have had this 4 page statement reed to me bf
and it is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. 1
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I much as he had always been interested in tioal aotivities
.- _ __ he had many enemies within both uni in very brgging
' tones of his political oonneotions. in an intelligent
manner, but it is not believed he w reliable witness. Thereis set forth below the following signed sttement executed by
It "Springfield, Ill= fig 9-745.
-.. .. _4, make the following voluntary statement to_ 5:. both of whom have identified themselves
the Federal Bureau of Investigation. No
1" Q-5 threats or prcmises have been m-do to induce me to make any statement.
:2 "I was born in and presently livegt; _ st I started working es a m ner in eboutpmd joine he . .11. at that time. I have held various of 1065 in the
=5 ;-r U.11l.'='|. but can't remember the dates. I haven't been going to union
; j meetings .f he past month or two. I recall new that I started
minin in: and sj;ar__ek _B if W*.J_;lcgd .. B.£r<i»- A ti] " - _i .e.§-
'5-; "I believe it was in 1938 or 1939 that I went buck to
_ .~_..$5 Mine B and worked for a few __ ;_ {he the state went progressive- 11 . .. I11?--~= -. J1',~l.'=*-'.-"-.-'.,.I"-"i-t- - -=. -§ 111 1954 T" - I W" Elven "1 h°11°1"_"-. ' ' -- - *-1» ;i,:q. t--r ~'_.,,_==- »v».-.--.l. 1» - - _,,-_;+.,--- I __,,_ -= Il 1, E-ry oar-d in ' ogress ve. s mean ' d= " 111 t have to pay _
f_ -Q dues in the union and made it sure that a man wouldn't lose his job.
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I,»-_ 11 _,.__ ,_. I believe it was in April of 1940 that I started working
.: 1= - at Mine B again and have worked there ever since. When _I started
buck at the mine I thought that my card in pl Og1"83SiV6 was still good.
"I- The progressives told me at first I would have to pay
_.~»§§{ a fee of $25 and when I objected they lowered it to $10. This r.
was supposed to be an initiation fee for now miners and since I
.;. _-;-,-, didnt think I should oven pay $10 I told them so. I was finally
. '- ; accepted as a member in g00d standing of progressive and I believe
-9 -, I paid dues for about three months.
"To the best of my rooolleotion I had worked at the mine _Lt
least a month before I even inquired about my ste_tus with progressive.
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Mine B I have never seen any fighting. 111 one occasion
started beck at Mine B the first time the strike
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0. job at I-line B. The progressive men asked me to cane to m6eting8_
out no threote were made ugei.-est me to join any union. I joined the
United in 1940 because I figured I would be with the mnjority.1
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is true to the best of my memory-
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he does not appear to make a desirable government witness. He executed the
following signed statement._ _ _ _ _1__._._ '~._+_
Springfield, Illinois
September 6, 1943.
I " . make the following voluntary statement toH and ' " whom I know to be Special Agents of the
Federe.1 Bueau of ';= '5 , .5. Department of Justice.
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Iesentl employed at Mine "B" Spring1':|.eld., Illinois and living atpringfield, Illinois.
"The first mine union I joined was the United Mine Tiorkers of
morics. wich will be referred t einafter as tho UMN. Iunion - v Illinois. about and worked at the it Coal Comrglllin wor o at four other mines: om t etime I started wor ing a t-:'l-4051 Co. until the time I started
working at Mine "B".
"1 started working at Mine "B" in Octobord 19:": theretwo years later which was about é I returned to work at Mine "B" two
months later in worked mm er the UMP; during the above periods.
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~ -'i 1932 were good and the same applies to the relations between Elshoff and
the Progressive Mine Tiorlcers of America which will be referred to herein-
after as PMA from 1932 to the Spring of 1957.
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INTERVIEL ZITH "I voluntarily joined the run in 3eptember, 1932. I
liked the PJLA. and felt I was getting more benefits
under the PEA than under the Ulf, but I do not care
~ which union I belong to-_
"I knew the following miners who worked at Hino B prior to the
o1ose~down in Hey, 1937:. Joe Llbonese, Andrew Sehrelevious, Dominic
Pasquale, Pete Carter, Frank Austin, Tony Plotch, John Cotton! Ananiaa,
John Sirtout, Emory Jeoaway, Charles Bohnnnon, James Hale, and Cudge
Bumgarner.
"I never knew that any of these men aggitated or organized for
UHH before the strike in May, 1957. Before May,_l937 I was never contacted
by anyone to got me to join UHW.
"I reel that Pm had the majority at Mine B from 19.32 until the
strike in May,-1957.
"I em not familiar with the wage scale controversy in the Spring
of 1937.
"I did not attend the PMA meeting of May 11, 193?-
"I have never attended many union meetings before I become a
trustee of the UHF.
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which was May 12th,_that the coal cars were
not know the reason for this. I noticed the
not know why-e m ne wor ed in May,
being loaded short. I did
men were uneasy, but I did
"I was at Mine B
with the other PEA men. Iduring the picketing, and stood around the yard
did not work.
"I do not remember the FHA petition of May 26, 1937, and I do
not recall any other petitions being circulated that summer. I do not
remember any of the oeooesions Mine B tried to reopen, I did not go the
the mine when it triedtomre-opene ~__
"1 started back to work in Inoe B. in November, 1939, as a
member of Halo
"I joined the UM? sometime after I started back to work in
November. 1939- and before the second N.L.R.Be election in February, 1941-
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I saw a lot of miners starting to work there that I
continue had never seen before. I do not know where they came
from. Later I found out from conversations I had at
the mine that these new men who I did not remember were UH? organizers. I
do not mean to include in this group the men whose names I mentioned here-
tofore in this statement.
"I would like to relate how I happzed to sign up with UHW. Che
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me and asked me whnt I thought about signing up with UHF. I said I_did not
know, but I
told me not
not sign up
up with UEWwould wait to detennine what the rest of the miners did. He
to wait. Bo said he did not think the-mine would work if we did
with UMW, but he did not say why. He said if we did not sign
the mine would work steady in Mine B. He did not threaten me.
I have never talked to any minors that had been threatened.
I never heard there had been a big fire at Mine B or any fire at
the winter of 1942.
"1 think the results of the first NLRB election held in December,
1937, presented a true picture how the miners felt. That eleotion was won
I have read this statement consisting of three and one half pages
and have initialed the first three gages and it is correct to the beat of
my knowledge. .
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and he advised he has never en rres ed in his life It was
noted that he had sane difficulty in understanding Base questions asked._ HE -it his reside-nee agents interviewed-_} _ I ___ .- 92q92- G
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' the second grade and did not have any further education» If his tea '-
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made me;
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' tween & U=MJ.T= before 19-32: I r,>nt resell for sure ii Pl-.!1~ dz
¢.__9292- ELSHOFF got along 0.K. before Mine B closed or if ELSHOFF ounplained
*' I- -- of P.M.A- Just before the mine closed I hoard from other miners that
< JOHN L. LEWIS was giving some money to ELSHOFF but I oa.n't reoell more
about it. 11.6 fares I imow PM» officials got nlong O.K. with IPHA
opinion re the bombings by PW. men. _
attended any P1111 meetings bent-use they are too far
know PMs officials were running tho local 0.K. I
of trouble between PM.»-. e LMI! before Mine B closed s
I don't know of any spies being there» I never hoard a thing about any
- 9&1-ties bet. U.M.1?. 8: ELSHOFF or others. I don't reoall much about
the Vfg-*¬}?BBti0n at Mine B before it closed as it is such 0- long time
1--go. I lcnow nothing about =1 meeting before Mine B olosed. I ol.n't re-
on day mine olosed as it is so long E-go, and I don't
know wlw the mine closed at all as I never paid much Lttention to it!
think they did it.
them to pet aly aI think I onoe heard Pita was going to kick out selorl on but I don't
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h r '1 $111 f nnn1 in' :~ ;_ ":[_;:.:t=?_s..o~.oi ...-.. e- ..--.., ... their e£.iT§ '11!-.e !_l_,! Mine B
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éwpqdRE: JOHN L. Lens, er AL. é ; ._92, .
closed. I recall of sigling several petitions for
his but I never signed any for B4131. I signed them of
my own free will A: no one forced me to sign. I can't
recall if Ul lead s petition out in 195'! but I know
I never signed for them._ I heard something about UH! forming s new local
but I never paid any attention to HM! matters at all. In fell of 1937
I was at Mine B because I sew in paper it was going to open under UI192f&
FALCETTI wanted to let some UM"; men down but he wouldn't let FHA men
down so no one went down dc strike started 6: I went out pert of the time.
Ye were protecting the property do our jobs. No force was used to make
me go out. It was peeceful.. No outsiders were there except local 540' I
wes there when M-PCR$Hl92LL came out 5; we all left 8: waewere glad so we could
get hcme. Papers seid several times mine was to re-open but I never went
out till it opened for good.. I recall of voting Qt first N.L.P..B. election
at Armory in Springfield, Il1., I voted the way I wanted to 6:. it was for
No one forced me to vote dc it was 11 good electi0n.- I never heard
ebout men going to Jefferson Mine, In full of 1939 I got 9- registered
letter from Mine B telling me to come out on e oerto.:'|.n ds. 6: I went 6: sawFALCETTI 6: he sei:§vns cuved in dc he put me in #'put I worked
only 5 dyjsus room was inished then d: they could not s ooj; anymore.
FALCETTI snid he would send word to me dz he did nbout 7 weeks 1e.ter.- I
worked about 2 months & some air-boss of U111! come to me 6: said I shouldn't
pay any m du due dz I should
sons Jobs. I signed up
9- _'job.- I was well satisfied with P-M-I1
then but joined over to get I heard too thr-kt men were being
beet up but I never sew it. on't know if I signed any membership
cords in 1940 or not. I never heard ainyono of Mine B tell us we had to
join IN"? - it wus just men who were around. Aid felt they lend
majority so didn't do anything. -with men so I could t
"Just before the second ill-KB elmtion I went to e UII-M meeting
& 31-droundson 8: severl others there told us to vote for LEN 6: not for Pith.
I dc others still felt thl"-t P.}!.n. was better but because _I had joined up
with UM? I felt if I voted for PHn tint U1-If might find out is I was scared
so voted ULN. It was u good <5: secret election. I first was going to vote
for Pile but after ettending the meeting I felt I had better vote for UHF.
P.F-1.11. lost that election because Mine P» would not hire P.H.h. men - but
did hire £1 lot of new Ill!-I men. -
"There were a lot of cove-ins when I went to work. never
wos reopened J: my toolsére still there. I never heard of £1 ire at Mine
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