William Perl Part 10

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William Perl

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.,é- HENRIETTA ELVIUGE PERL, wife of subject, is livinq at home of HENRI B. 1",1g1&#39;:1?r-we at H-amps-toad F:.1.1~ms, Spring milgy, ray,
gntorviuws with LEITHLH concerning his conversations with-* ?3- F§L §¬E frth. he advisud tht Mrs. PERL told himtnat sno dld not bclicvo her husband was engaged in espionage 1but that ho know something and that he was in a room when 3
somothing was going on. Mrs. PERL told LBITMAH tnat she
would be willing to be intorviowod by the FBI without ha?
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On the same date, LEITMAN was interviewed by
SA EDWARD J. CLHILL and the writer at the New York Office.
,Mr. LEITHAN advised that his wife, MARY LOUISE SAVIDGE
?LEITFhN, was the sister of subject&#39;s wife, Mrs. HENRIETTA
/6VIDGE*?EHL. He stated that during and after dinner at
-his house on May 2e, 195s. he discussed with Mrs. PERL her
husband: ease. He advised that she told him that she had
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purpose of arranging an interview with the writer. She told
LEITMLN that she did not know whet the F31 wanted to talk to
her about and further, that she thought that the FBI had no
further interest in her husband after he had been convicted
of perjury and sent away to a Federal penitentiary to servehis term;. She told LEITMLN that_at first she consented to
be interviewed and then called her lawyer, PHIL1P4hITThNBERG.T5
After speaking with her lawyer, she decided that she would
not submit to an interview with the writer except in the
presence of her attorney.
.M. LEITMAN advised that he had been present in
court on one occasion end that it was his impression that
PERL was not telling the truth. Ho further advised that it
was his opinion that Mrs. PERL had information which could
be of assistance to the government and offered his services.
in securing her cooperation. Mr. L3IThmN&#39;was advised-that
since Mrs. PERL had refused to be-interviewed, except in
the presence of her attorney, she would not be contacted
except at her request.
Mr. tszswea advised that at that time, Hrs:~PERL
was residing with her sister, ELIZLBETH, who is married to
Mr. FREDEHICKFRODEHALD, Old Greenbush Road, Spring Valley,
New York, telephone Nyock 1639W. He also advised that
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ALBERT C:S£VlDGE, Mrs. PERL&#39;S father, was a graduate of
the Naval Academy at nnapolls. He stated that he exoeetcd
Mrs. PERL to spend the summer at_his homo.
On further contact, Mr. LEITHLN advised tele-
phonically that he had from time to time spoken with Mrs.
PERL concerning her husband&#39;s case. He stated that on
occasion, she told him that she did not believe that her
husband had been engaged in espionage but thought that he
had been present in a room when certain other individuals
were present and when certain events took place. &#39;Mr. LEITMLN
stated that she did not elaborate on those statements.
Ho stated that tbs. PERL told him that she would
be willing to be interviewed&#39;by an agent of the FBI without
n lawyer or any other person being present but believed that
it would be an admission of weakness or guilt on her part if
she contacted the FBI. Mr. LEITMAN stated that Mrs. PERL
was unaware of his conversation with the writer but believed
that he had spoken to his own attorneys concerning the ease.
Mr. LEITMLN advised that Mrs. PERL spent about ton days at
the hogc of her husband&#39;s parents, Mr. and Mrs. ABRLHLN
MUTTEHFERL, in tho Bronx. &#39;
On July 20, 195b, he telophonically advised the
writer that tbs. PERL is again living at his home and that
during recent conversations with her she again has stated
her willingness to be interviewed if the FBI should rake the
request for the same. =
On June 2, 195k, Professor I. 1. BABE
University was interviewed by the writer. It is
Professor RABI maintains his office in the Pupin Laboratory
at Columbia and was present at Columbia when PERL was a
technical assistant to Dr. THEODORE VON KARMAN during the
period from 19h? to 1058 when VON KLHHLN gave lectures at
Columbia. Proicssor RLBI advisod thvt he had from time to
time reconsidered his knowledge of PEEL nnd stated that he
could recall no incident that would have any bearing on this&#39; &#39;
investigation. he stated that his contacts with PERL wereat Columbia
noted that
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limited since PERL was technical assistant to VON KLRKdN
and their studies were in different fields.
- Professor RLBI stated that he had attended one or
two sessions of the PERL trial and that it was his personal
belief that PERL was e "congenital liar.
He stated that he believed that PERL made s verypoor impression en the stend and in all probability wasmixed up with the EUSEHBERGS. _
He was asked whet materiel he had in his safe,during the period of 10h? to l9h¬ of c classified nature. gHe advised that it had been his practice not to keep materiel Fof o elessiiiod nature in his safe in the Pepin Physics ILaboratory for any extended period of time, e was asked %if he had maintained e copy of the so-celled "Lexington
Report on the Naps Project. He stated that he believed that
he hod seen n copy of the Lexington Report but could not recall
ever having had it at Columbia. He stated that he had been
a consultant for the government on the project and on one or
two occasions hod visited the project at the Massachusetts
. Institute of Technology in an advisory capacity on the broad
aspects of the project.
Lt the request of the writer, ho examined his -
locked files and safe and advised that he had no documents &#39;
of a classified nature in his possession. he etotod that
because of his slight contact with PERL, he could make no
suggestion as to further lines of inquiry.
On June 9, 195% BERNARD-BARR was interviewed athis place of business, Barco Press, 20 West 22 Street, NewYork, New York. He advised that he had not heerdlgrom her
received any correspondence from his brother JOELJBARR. Hestated that he and his wife, from time to time, had visitedhis mother, REBECCA BARR at her residence Qhl West 97th -Street,_New York City. He stated he had very carefully , ;
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examined all of his brothers personal property including
photographs. He advised that the bulk of his brothers
personal possessions consisted of phonograph records,
some of which he {BERNARD} took for his own use.
Mr. BARR stated that the only photographs he
" observed were photographs of the immediate BARR family.
He did not find a group photograph of JOEL BARR, JULUIS
ROSENBERG and WILLIAM PERL. He stated that his mother
is very ill and confined to her apartment and "putters
around" the house all day. He stated it is possible,
that if such a photograph had been in his mothers
house, she might have destroyed it.
He added that he did not search his mother&#39;s
room and it was possible that such a photo could be
in his mother&#39;s room.
In view of his mother&#39;s condition he stated
it would be impossible to search her room, but advised
that he would immediately advise the writer of any
information he might receive concerning his brother
JOEL or the subject. He advised that he has not been
in contact with SAMUEL?ERL, subject&#39;s brother, since
he returned from Europe.
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Mr. and Mrs. LBHLHLM MUTTEHPERL, and SAMUEL PERL.J
Pill complete review of this ease and upon .
disposition of above leads, will submit to the Bureau
recommendations for future action in this ease.
REFEREECE &#39;
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f"f The Bureau&#39;s attention is directed to thedz/K interviews had with Mr. HENRI LEITMAN, brother-in-law
&#39; Mrs. HENRIETTA SAVIDGE PERL. During these interviews
has been the opinion of NY that no approach should be
to Mrs. PERL except at her specific request. NY also
took this position because of the fact that Hrs. PERLDirector, FBI 5-5932.2! -3 m1&#39;s= 7/26/55,
57:1 Rerep oi" SA JOHN A. HARBIIIGTGN, at NY, dated 7/25/EL;
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except in the presence of-her attorney. The Bureau has
been previously advised that a review of this case had &#39;
failed to develop any leads that would be of value in
developing the espionage activities of PERLs1£j
In view of the statements attributed to Mrsfurther
PERL by M. LEITMAN, namely that her husband was present
. in a room when other individuals were present and certain
events took place, and in view of the fact that she was
the comon-law wife of PERL for an extended period oftime
and did live at 65 Morton St., where it is believed that--*.3* - members of the ROSENBERG network athered there is a 8- possibility that Ms. PERL is in possession of information -
" that would aid in bringing this case to a logical conclusion.
Accordingly, NY recommends that Mrs. PERL be again
contacted for the purpose of arranging an interview at theNYO without the presence of her attorney.[iL] 
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Mrs. Perl has stated she is willing to be interviewed by
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being present, but she feels it would be an admission of
guilt on her part if she contacted the FBI. In view of this
statement the Bureau fails to understarul why you deem it
necessary to contact lire. Perl through her sister. You are
instructed to proceed to her residence and interview her "
without making any _p?"iO7&#39; appointment J&#39;.»_1,&#39; te.e_nhor:e or through
a third party. The Bureau feels that since she has expressed
willingness to be interviewed it is not necessary to attempt .
to use any pretext or third party for such interview. You - &#39;
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espionage agent and the possibility exists she is being ttgassisted financially by_the Russians in return for her ;_~~:f$*§husbondinot revealing bis espionage ac ivities. You ,-¢ "qi&#39;should establish coverage of Ere. Perl&#39;s bank account f &#39;
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identify.Ur. Benton or Benton. Ave. ferl&#39;s trainer-in-law;Henri Leitnan, should be reccntactsd to ascertain if he
has any ,1"-urther iderztifying :.&#39;nj&#39;0rrn:"-tic-n concerning this .man. All other logical investigative steps including : ».o,=nsurveillance of Hrs. Perl should be taken in order that _ _ ?§§Benton or Benton can be positively identified. hhen his . ggggg
identity is determined you should immediately ascertain inzag.
complete background information about him, his current , it
activities and his relotionsnip with Fro. ferl and the *~ .
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T-1, of known reliability, advised thatPERL did not visit her husband as planned becausemother became sick _wi_th s sev_~.;re_co1d,_ _ __ _-M;,,__;h.:_,___,,..;_.___;_, _,,,.?-;;._,#¢,&#39;_,,,,;i,;.,.,.__;..-_,....,,_.,
Informant advised that Mrs; PERL and her son, and  "subject&#39;s mother, visited subject for s total of eleven hours &#39; * 5&#39; ~on November 10, 11 and 12, 19574.. During this visit, subject..--;--f-,,_ ..was engaged in serious conversation with his wife and his -._"&#39;_-"7 _*__-jA__;mother spent most of the time in the waiting room; -,_-_&#39;.;;* "*.~ , .. .__- --. . .&#39;*:~" ---r-=.&#39;_..*s&#39;-".&#39;.?,-9.1: -s~&#39;--""3--- - - - - n_*."&#39;..-"&#39; 1 - .
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1" 921 - 1 1 end of the visiting r m 1 1 92 yard and from his actions, BBL wanted to be placed eat J ¬ar away from the visiting room office as possible. 1_P to the oP*o r so that he eg1 He was placed close enou¢ - --_ &#39;" &#39; * " "  * ~16 PEEL *1and his wife could be obs rned at Q14 H tee :1 &#39; &#39; 7. ed 11&#39;s &#39;
l f did not Seem to notice 0 mind. do gree - 1 visitorsin a friendly manner bu did not seem 16 y affectionate. 1&#39; 1 . " I /1 1. I _ I/E/2"
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HENRIETTA. That visit ermineted at 3:00 P.N- "
§HEEhIETTA hao with W LIAM, she Sent WILLIAM 3 letter in
;which she remarked that she had writt n it while on the train;en route home» a§V1S6d that e lest paragraph of Y1;
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qYOU could perfor an act of faith towaro gs and respect my _
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New Yor report of SA JOHN A HARRINGTON.
dated Oc ober 8, 195k.
Bureau air el dated Octobe 29, l§5h,
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La directed in referenced letter, certain changes
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enclosures and the-Bureau and the New York Office
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sujéct PERL was visited by his wife,lmothér,and son at the U. S. Penitentiary, Terra gauze,
Indiana, November 10, ll, and 12. Since abovevisit, there appears to be no change in PEELs
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 November 31,&#39;195Q, the visit started at 10:39 A.§, and
terginatcd at 11:30 5.1. Visit was started again at
1:30 P,H. and it terminated at 2:00 F.K. Everything ap-
peared normal during visit. No show of emotion was exhi-
smiled, did not-raise his voice or become excited during
n their conversation with one another.
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T-1 advised that WILLIAM PERL has been e quiet unassuing
innate since he has been committed. He has been assigned
 to janitor duties in one of the main corridors and that he
has performed these duties very satisfaonorilg. T-1 stated
that he has remained within himself, having little or
nothing to dozeith other inmates. He spends ell of his _
free time reading, mostly works in the physics field.
T-1 staked that snoe HEHRIETTAs rceenh visit, EERL&#39;s
demeanor has remained unchanged. Tl advised that he
would continue to observe PERL to determine if no has
a change in mental attitude.
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&#39; Of WILLIAM PERL-s innocence. They stated his conviction was
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-r lied: to cave himself» Mr. SAHUEE. PERL advised he had I&#39;u!*- i  1I92 niehed all the information he possessed in previous inter- 1
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92l &#39;_ 1950. He reiterated that he did not know the ROSEZNBERGSV1,  or SOBELL and stated he was only about 15 years of age when c
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at their residence 936 Tiffany Street, Bronx, New &#39;E . I York February 15, 1955 by SAS vmcnw J. cenrnn and aroma &#39;  &#39; 
4- A. nmxm. They advised they did not know zrunrcrs ROSENBERG3 3 n-.-HORTOH SOBELL or any of WHQLIAM PERLH2 friends, Tao: stated &#39; - " *
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&#39; Mr. and Mrs. HUEHEEPERL stated they have always
been anti-Communist and raised their children that way.
They stated that parents know their children and they .
are certain beyond any doubt that WILLIAM PERL was not
proycomunist or sympathetic to the Soviet Union or in
any way helped anyone who was. They advised they possessed
no information concerning any association by WILLIAM PERL&#39; with ROSENBERG or SOBELL and are convinced that they were -
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rt»;&#39;, hr. SAMUEL/§;;L. 125 Brooms street. New York
City was interviewed at his residence February 16, 1955
by SAS JOSEPH J. PALGUTA and RICHdRD A. MINIHAH. PERL
stated that he desired to cooperate with the Government 
in every respect, but that he had furnished all the
information he possessed in previous interviews. He
stated that he was about 15 years of age when his brother
1 loft-home to work in Virginia, and from.that time on he 
would only see him when WILLIAM PERL would visit hid &#39;
parents on holidays. He stated that with the exception
of JOEL BARR, he did not know any of WILLIAM PERL&#39;s friends
or acquaintsnoese He said that the information that he
previousl {furnished consists of his entire associationwith JCELZhiRR and he has not seen or heard from him
-1- .since about June, 1950 in Paris. He stated that if any
.af§information concerning BARR came to his attention he I
*.y/." would advise the Bureau. He said that he had not seen
his brother WILLIAM since some time prior to l9h9, when
he, SAMUEL, left the United States. He sgi Stated
that he was unfamiliar with WILLIAM PERL&#39;e activities or
associates and that JOEL BARR was the only friend
of WILLIAM PERL known to him, and that he had only
seen BARR about b times prior to his departure for Europe.
He stated that hissssociation with BARR consisted only
of visiting BARR&#39;s apartment with his brother WILLIAM
to listen to musical recordings. He said that politics -
were never discussed. He further stated that during his
meeting with BARR in Paris, the only topics discussed
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met SARANT. He stated he did not know JULIUS or ETHEL
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the Bird in Hand Restaurant with WILLIAM PERL in a group,
and had never hoard of the restaurant before he was
questioned about it in Paris He stated that he recalled
checking his personal notebook of his Army activities
and in the summer of 19hh he was stationed in a camp down
south and had taken no leave, . - _
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_ Communism and was anti-Communist. Further, that he is
unfamiliar with the details and evidence pertaining to his
brother: convietion.
§&VID GREENGLASS, self-admitted Soviet espionage
agent, advised in July, 1950 to SA5 zromn-1. LEWIS and
- LEO H» FRUTKIN that JULIUS ROSENBERG told him in February,
1950 that JOEL ems bed left the United States in 1955
to do espionage work for the Russians in Europe, an that .
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