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Mrs. Louise Sax-ant of the West]Shore declined to tell Sen. Jo-I
seph McCarthy  R-Wis! in Wash-5
ington today whether she had:
ever engaged in spying. She i.h&#39;i
voked her constitutional protec-&#39;;tion against possible self-incrimi-lnation. 
She also declined to answer}
similar questions about her ior-1
mer husband, Alfred &#39;Sarant,,
whom Senator McCarthy describ-&#39;
ed as a fugitive espionage agent.»
Mrs. Sax-ant was called before?
the Senate Investigations Sub-1
committee in its search for evi-1
- dence of espionage at the Army&#39;s&#39;Ft. Monmouth, NJ, Signal Corpsi
laboratories. Q_ Francis P. Carr, the subcorn-,
mittee sta
 director, told report-lers after the hearing that Saranti
 worked at Fort Monmouth in 1941
; and 1942, and was dismissed. 3
l Mr. and Mrs. Sarant were mar--
 tied in 1945 in New York City.
 Saran! worked for the Laboratory
Nuclear Physics at Corn ll|
out 1947 and 1948. l-le later R I&#39; business here as a painting c -;
t actor. The couple was divorc d
in 1950. l_ .... -.. .1 -".4-.~ ---1
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ton Friday .whether she was
{present when her former hus-
jband, Alfred Sarant, Joel Barr,
and Julius Rosenberg, the ex-
ecuted atom spy, discussed es-
pionage against the UnitedStates." &#39; ~ . ,_ . -_
 McCarthy was the only mem-
lber of the Senate Investigations
92Subcornmittee present as it con-
&#39;tinued its search for evidence of
espionage at the Army&#39;s Ft. Mon-
mouth, N.-l., Signal Corps labora-ltories.&#39; ,¢~" 
-"When the Ithaca woman de-
clined to answer, McCarthy asked
 she felt a truthful answer
gxnight tend to incriminate her.
She replied that as she understood
the Fifth Amendment. it was for
lithe protection of-theinnocent.
E McCarthy retox-ted nobody can
invoke the 
fth Amendment un-
{less he feels a truthful answer
would tend to incriminate him. I
,Deelines to Answer  .
_ _Sarant, who testified in
a quiet&#39; voice and frequently
~s &#39; ed at her attorney, Julian C.
E1 pin of New York City, still
|declined to answer on the basis of
_the Fifth Amendment. ~ .
&#39; Did she, McCarthy pressed,
lonce attend a gathering of the
{Rosenberg spy ring at a&#39;restau-
|rant in 34th St. in New" York,
whoseP111&#39;Pose was toglook-&#39;over
a Carl Greenbaum and see if
he would make a suitable mem-
her for your ring? ~ _ 4
- "1 refuse to answer, said Mrs.{Saran-. -» _  ..
,&#39; Didyou yourself ever engage
iin espionage," demanded,McCar-
K Again, "I refuse to answer." 
3&#39; The response was the same
{when McCarthy asked if Sarant,
who worked at Ft. Monmouth in
the early 1940s, was a member
,of the spy ring headed by Julius
iltosenberg. McCarthy said Sar-
ant was "part of the Rosenbergispy ring" when be worked at Ft.
Monmouth and continued his
{contacts for a considerable per-
iiod of time after leaving" the
}Signal "Corps laboratories. _ l
Refused to Give Husband&#39;s Name
- Placed on&#39;the witnem stand,
,Sarant refused right o to
Awhat_.her former husband&#39;s
e was, saying that under the
-Amendment she had at-not to be a .witnes=_;_r,=,gjnst:&#39;I"-v--q~ » ~ ~~ 0 ~ -G
. so e:.~:,.aw-=-  .<*eea_&#39;:- -*»   * thacan Refuses Answer Questz _
. ,ef0re~_ IcCarthy m Washzngton  ~, 1..1: , , ~ _ &#39; : ._ &#39; = _~&#39;  _ _;s=:~¢_¢;z-__»-A -;.~  »- - "
 *:&#39;>.»&§}3*»s.?.{-.;.T. T 7  .i Mrs.~Louise Ross Sarant of Ith-1 Other questions Mrs. Sarant de-,as a fugitive from the FBI.
aca refused to tell Senator Josephjclined to answer were whether Your refusal means that you
.McCarthy  R-Wis! in Washing- she is a member ota Communist
money? from the ,Communist
Party. " -
her father  Victor K. D. Boss!
who, she said, was a lawyer in
Ithaca. She was asked if he is a
member of the Communist Party.
She refused to answer.
The questions about her father
Sarant. She said she felt the sub-
committee was attempting to
drag people in who are in no way
related to the purposes" of its in-
vest ation.
of" questioning by asking if her
father worked for the govern-
ment At 
rst, Mrs. Sarant re Q -
fused to answer but, when Mc-
Carthy ordered her to, she said,
All right, then, he is not work-
ing for the government.  _
Father an Attorney
McCarthy wanted to know
where he was working.&#39;Finally,
Mrs. Sarant said, Since you in-
sist, my father is an attorney in
Ithaca, N.Y."
Mrs. Sarant also 
rst refused
to say whether she had any
brothers or sisters but, ordered
to answer, she replied, I don&#39;t,
have any brothers or sisters." >
McCarthy asked her if, as a1
matter of -fact, two persons had
passed as herbrothers in the,
Communist Party, even though
they were not her brothers.
She refused to answer, nor
would she reply to other ques-
tions about the two, including
whether they were espionage,agents. &#39; &#39; &#39; - 92
Mrs. Sarant refused to answer
when asked if Aaron R. Coleman
had visited her home on several
occasions _in 1947. Coleman, 01
witness before the committee
earlier in the week, is a radar
engineer at Ft. Monmouth who
was suspended last September.
He has denied any espionage as-i
tivities. . 1
Husband Called Fugitive
The Ithaca woman declined tor
tell an &#39; about the where-Party today, and is receivingCarthy declared. &#39;
&#39;She also .was questioned about
drew a sharp protestfrom Mrs.
lg .
McCarthy started off this line
ythms
abouts of her former husband,
who was described by  are equally guilty with him, Me-1
Sarant, after being married to
the former Miss Louise Ross in
1945, 92worked as a techinician
in the Cornell University Nuclear
Physics Laboratory. University
officials pointed out today that
the university has not or is-not
conducting any classified or secret
work for the government <
The alleged spy worked at Cor-
nell from May, 1947 to July, 1948.
He then went into business jot
himself as a painting contractor,
and disappeared in 1949. ,
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MRS. LOUISE SABANT
Testiiiesin Washington _?in 1950. Mrs. Sarant and two sonsl
aged 5 and 7, live with her par-,
ents on the West Shore. _ 1
The subcommittee investigated
Mrs. Sarant for more than three
months before calling her as a
witness, staff members revealedl
Friday night. Sta
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cis P._Carr also said that Mrs. Saw
rant had testified before the sub-&#39;
committee previously in executive
session.
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Mrs. Louise Sax-apt of Ithaca, became the fourth witness ____________ _ _r da fu t w no th  " """in our ys to re se o ans er ques &#39;ons on e ground
that they might tend to incriminate her, before Sen. Joseph
R. McCarthy&#39;s special sub-committee in Washington last
Friday. &#39; "»_/"* *-
McCarthy, sitting as a committee of one, asked Mrs. Sarant
the whereabouts of her ex-bus-,
band whom McCarthy charged
was&#39;a member of the Julius and
Ethel Rosenberg spy ring  the
Rosenbergs were eleetrocuted
earlier this fall!, and a fugitive
from the Federal Bureau oi In-
vestigation. ~ "
The husband, Al Sarant, was
ployed by the Nuclear Physics
boratories here from May 1947 l
|é92til June 1948.
According to Dr. Robert R.
Wilson, &#39;director ot the labora-
tories, Sarant was doing wire in-
stallation on the then being con-N
structed 300,000,000 volt cyclo~;
tron-an electron accelerator. 
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plied that Sarant could possibly
have been conducting espionage
operations here Wilson answeredCarthy had received none 0! its .1
con
dential 
le information. Mc- &#39;
Carthy did not disclose his "in-
vestigative processes.
The special sub-committee is
currently looking into alleged
espionage work in Fort Mon-
mouth, New Jersey.
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who worked in Fort Monmouth
early in the 1940&#39;s was carrying
on espionage and that he con-
tinued his connections tor a con-A
siderable period of time after
leaving the Signal Corps labora-
tories at the Fort.
Mrs. Sarant, according to Vic-
tor K. D. Ross, her father, will
remain in Washington until t -
day or tomorrow and thus w
not available for comment to
paper. _
that any information Sarant could
have obtained would also have
been available in .the public
journals which described in de-
tail the work being done here.
done at Cornell, he affirmed. -
Dr. Wilson went on to add that}
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had no proiessorial or experi-
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occasion to meet VICTOR K. D. ROSS, stepfather of LOUISE SARAM. fie brought -
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