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FEDERAL: BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
JOHN L. LEWIS
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partment had arrived at Sgringijield mcfhe RY? conferron a¢¢.=;asne*e1n¢= & arrival there Thursday night last. Ir. Halltordstated that the 2l. {7§*5j',_1g_&_]Z.iO_I1__I&§_r£:iIll1_Il_=l3-i$3923t3__l.!1_§OOd silage and at presentthe Agents were interviewing hers with regard to E5315 -r ihioo *' pi:':s
Mine Ia", the latter being involved in instant investigation.
You will recall Elshoff wag the operator of Mine "3' at the time theminers -rorkirg therein elected. engrsseive Liinejlorkers Union as the bar-gaining agent, resulting in the closing down of Iline_"B" on the part of theoperator Elshoff and subsequent, of course, to the payments of $225,000 madeLewi and the UNI? to Elshoff, until finally the UNI in 19141 felt confident
in-. by 5enough to hold another election resulting in the URI being named as barge
ing agent. ,
It appears that there might have been some irregularity about theoperation of line "A" - that is - the nine was being operated or attemptingto be operated through driving a connecting tunnel wt-reen ne "A" end L
"B". At any rate, Ir. Hallford stated that even with this new development,things looked bright and it still apmars that the Springfield Office will_ 1 r*=*.'92Y_" v '* iY 1: _'j_-__92_..92_._- T-'Y meet the deadline. g _ ._ t .!'"El' Y" r.'92L-
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RE: JOHNL. I.E!IS,E'ILL
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8, 19¢}, and September 13, 1943, respectively, setting forth brief
of the investigation in the captioned case to-date. Ion will
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Reference is made to my memorsnda to you dated September Mi"
e the Bureau is conducting an ext-ens ve n e g
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, t'- _o1ficers of t nited Pine Workers of America end Carl snoff, owner of
/Kline B. Coal Company, Springfield, Qlinoie, conspired during the years 193'?
' to 1941 in violation of th¬"EiviT?i'ghts statutes to injure and oppress
E1shof.fs employees in the free exercise of the rights secured to them under
the National Labor Relations let. It is alleged that Lewis paid the sum of
$225 O00 to Elshoff during the years 1937 to 1941 with the intent to induceE shofi to impose unfair labor practices upon his employees, who were at that_. q_u»=st of the H8Y General to determine if John L. certs 0
d time members of the rival union, the Progressive Nine Horkers of America.
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To date the Sprin='iield Office has submitted reports reilecting the
interviews of approximately 2'70 individuals who were employees oi subject Elshoff
' during the pertinent period of the investigation of this case. These individuals,
'" for the most part, did not participate actively in the labor difficulties as they
related to negotiations and union organizational work. A review of the signed
t t nts taken from these 270 miners indicates that approximately 163 gave in- , _ s a eme' formation that could be considered very favorable to the Government's case and Saw. . '-. 4.-
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"' or write English, and therefore possessed little informatio of value to this
investigation. Others indicated a desire to stay out of troversy. "_' t
I ~i ~ three of the 2'70 miners interviewed gave n ormationT, 5 hfggijias not apperent from the signed statements given
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~- ~ ~ -".--"1"-'73? - ~ . ~*.-="""v5." _i'Y_i-"T_?"Y*"'_ '_' ' v _all might well be considered potential witnesses in this matter. It also appears
31 1 of these individuals favored and still are partial to the Progressive
Workers Union. However, a large number of them necessarily joined the United
Workers Union in order to preserve their Jobs or avoid physical violence.would indicate that these individualswere aware of the fact that there y
__ might have been a deprivation of their rights. Th 27wndiVidU81S mentioned, O" ' course, do not include the L4 alleged spies other individuals connected1. 1-.1» - In - "" -~54/» --/4,1;-
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vi information that some of these individuals purposely withheld gi ng .
-.-.5; only six oi the miners interviewed were openly hostile and refused
to give any information to Agents of this Bureau or refused to gate any in-
" formation that might be derogatory to John L. Lewis and the United line
Iorkere Union . I!
It is interesting to note that
President of the UHW Local, Springfield,
Union, began some activity attempting to
Government any information in this ease;
miners have been interviewed and it does
- materially affected the investigation.
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DIon September 6, 1943-, Che:-1e%|hannon,
Illinois, and an attorney fo the U1!!!
advise the miners not to give the
however, at this date most of the
mt appear that this activity has
PAYIEEIFT OF $225,000 TO CARL H. EISEDFF BI LEII5 _ -
I The principal subjects in this ease have not been interviewed by
hi will be M Agents of this Bureau to date, and it is not cmtemplated that t s
is received from the Department.
.3-:j_i<~_$ '5-* Ln accounting report Submitted by the Springeld Office indicates
that during the period the mine was closed, the actual mining and maintenance
and benefits to Carl H -* costs mounted to $115,536.34, exclusive of-5.,
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_ p_ ,_,_; Prior to the strike which closed lline B on liar 12, 1937, line B
' was e closed shop mine under Progressive line Iorloere contract. Investigation
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to date has definitely proven that 12 individuals were I-embers of the
Union and at the same time held membership in the Progressive line Iorlcer
Union prior to lay ll, 1937. On this date 5 of these individuals were ex-
pelled from the Progressive lline Iorkers Union by its members. Investigation ~92
shows that Elshoff refused to acquiese to the Progressive line Yorkers 92-
demands and fire these five individuals Ihich brought on the general striise.
The investigation shows that Elshoff thereafter refused to negotiate or sigi
a contract with the Progressive ltine Iorkers Union and apparently did all in
his power to favor the United Mine Iorkers Union. In August, 1937, he signed
a collective bargaining agency contract with the UNI although they apparently
had only about e score of members at that tine. Elshoff then attempted to re-
open line B, using only UL?! members, apparently believing that the Progressives
would change membership, which they failed to do, however.
The National Labor Relations Board ordered an election held on
December 15, 1937, which was won by the Progressive Mine Iorkers Union by s
vote of £04 to 25. The HIRE certified the Progressive Mine Iorkers Union as
the bargaining agent on January 4, 1938, and Elshoff thereafter shut down
the mine completely. Elshoff reopened Mine B on Novenber 6, 1939, as an
open shop, at which time he permitted the UM! to organize on company property
although the Kine Superintendent refused the same privilege to the Progressive
Mine Workers Union. Under these circumstances the UHF finally gained a majority
and won an election held by the NLRB in February, 1941, by s. vote of 259 to 108.
IELNS A TRANSACTION
In the fall of 1941, the UHF Union advanced $60,000 to Elehoff, with
which he purchased Mine A, which is adjacent to and connected with line B.
line A at that time was organized by the Progessive lline Iorkers Union and
was so recognized by the NLRB. Elshoff and the United Mine T-orkers, through
certain maneuvers, succeeded in getting the miners at Mine L to dissolve the
Progressive Union and affiliate Iith the UHF. Many of these individuals, upon
interview, stated that they changed their membership to the Uli, believing
that they had to do so in order to protect their jobs. In this connection,
it is interesting to note that Hr. Iilliam H, , owner of I-line L, stated
upon interview that early in 1937 subject dson, President of the URI
In 1 at Springfield, Illinois, approached him with s proposition to freezetlrogessive line Workers out of line L, but that he turned the propositiond flatly. In this connection, Ir. Robert C!¤olomon, President of the
of 1942, Elshoff attempted to purchase the Panther Creek Hines for $400,000
cash. The Panther Creek lines were also organized by the Progressive Iline
Iorkers Union. Hr. Solomon stated that although the deal fell through, it
was a matter of common knowledge that .I..'lshoff had no money of his own and
would be financed by the UMW of America.
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Many other individuals who were connected with the captioned
matter or who were officials of the Progressive line Iorkers Union, have been
interviewed to date the majority of them giving information of value tothis matter bearing,on the numerous alleged unfair practices indulged in
ti tic has also by Elshoff against the Progressive Mine Workers. The inves ga n
uncovered a number of witnesses who will be able to testify that Elshoff has
stated that he did not like the Progressive Nine Iorkers Union and would not
do business with them.
Present Status _
The Springfield Office has advised that the majority of the investi-
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The Deoartment has been promptly furnished with copies of all re-
ports in this matter and Hr. Frank Coleman of the Criminal Division has re-
cently stated that he is well satisfied with the investigation and feels
that it has been handled in an excellent manner. 4
You will be promptly informed of all developments in this case.
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eenttng the pertinent information ooutained in the 15th
Regional Iatiunal Labor nelaticne Board le Io. 1:111-6-1665,
at Chicago, Illinoile
It ie requeetod that BI'92=1Iagn.er he re-interviewed
and aekod to confirm the facts oh are let forth in hie
eeveral nenoranda to the Board eoiering hie negotiation
with euhjeote llehoff and ldmmeom Special reference
ahould he made to Ia.gner'I etatenent in hie aeaoraadm of
liovemh-er 1941, that "lhen Ilehoff x-et pm-ohaeed theaeeete o.t&1.ne !,L', he hoped to nine the seen of ooal in
line 1' ran II-he '3", and the etatueent in the aane
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believe he was obligated under any oirounetanoee to hire
any of the former eupleyeee of line ha einee he had not
taken over a corporation hut had lerely purchased acne of
the aeeate of that corporation. Alto of eignioanoe la
the etateuent eade by Iagner in hie ueaorendua of October
I, 1941, that "ldn:un.:leon etated that theee employee:
undoubtedly were afraid xat Ileho would nine this
newly aoquired property through Iiae '3", and that to
avoid this they one to his and signed applications for
Inherehip in the U.lI.'I.A." If 1a apparent that ldaundeozvg
oontentiune to ne regard were hypocritical in View at hie
knowledge that he and neeie Iere advaneing $0,000 to enable
Ilahott to purchase the nine. It 1e hoped that In Iagnerw
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Alleged Violation at Suction 51, Ihich were reoeived ne the Crldnel
Divillon or the Depart-neat. It is desired that the inrutiptive nggeetlene
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" dated September 10, 191.3, et. Sen Francisco, California,92- -I
on en tbd letter
1:. 1- duh-ed um your 081:0 nu-ems to the Sm Frencilco Otiun
.e plwtoeutic mpiae or the ei-at papa rq:reeent!.n¢ the pa-uncut lnforntim
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; 166$, at Cbiceao, Illinois, togsthnr with eapropruto Lulu-uouone in omen- that the Sen Irenciecu Office any ninterrlee Iemer ponuent to the Doperh
F; lent: desires. It is noted Y-bet the If-lrlll referred to in the htlonll
' " Lebor Relations Board tile XIII-O-1665, it Chicago, Illimie, 1| in
eeerlon of your office.
too I111 obarwe that the Ortnind Division oi the 12:9!-rt-I i
reqoelbod certain in to the information let tort-b in '7 . _ 1
4 ;-.'_;-__ u_.=..- upon 9! -ipooill A,-out 12, 1943, at guring-
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JOHN L. LEIIS, ET AI CIVIL RIGHTS AND DCIIESTIC VIOLENCE
ISYIC-.§PSlSa IIIIIIIIIII I III *It:7 I II::I7" 7::f:;7II::III If I -
nta act forth Of sixty-ve ldi.1E1OI1B;l men 1|l;g_1!g;§_e___ __
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November 1939 Mine B hired I357 men but refused to hire
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that the miners changed lm BIA» to um because of the
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CUT personnel. Summaries of reviews Of Suringfield,
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JOHN R. KANE, former PMA Attorney,
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Index of Persons Interviewed . . . .
Interview: with FHA miners who wereemployed at Mine "B" in Hay 1937 . . .
1| llPersons Employed at Kine B after
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Investigation concerning FHA minersnot formerly employed at Mine "B"
and who were allegedly refused em-ployment subsequent to opening ofmine in November 1931 . . . . .
Interviews with persons employed at
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make the statement freely
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"I presently live in at the
Denkcrt mine. I was born in111$ I came to the nited o a e , o ecame a
the ited States in at Springfield, Ill.
"I first joined a mine union the United Fine Eforkers, in- 92.'h¬m I was working in the Ill. mine. I stayed in
this union until I joined the e Ine --orkers of emcricain 1932 when 1 was working in the Whine. I had no part
in the organization of the P.3.{.i.. I started to work_ at
Fine B. I never was an officer :i.n any mien.
"In 1934 when I started at Mine E, there was no trouble at
Mine B, The trouble started in mine B in 1937. ht that time some
men were trying to pull some of the miners away from P.M.A. Some
of these men were: Bowling Green Charlie Bohannon!, Ibminic
Fasquale, hndy Skrelevicus!, Tony Fletch, Pete Carter, Frank
Austin, and Emory Jacewey. fhesc men were talking to some of the
miners, but they never talked to mc at any time.
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"From that time mtil the nn'.ne reopened in 1939 no one talked to
me about joining the 11.11.-J. I received a letter from the mine company
telling that the mine was seine to reopen, -and that I could come back '1 u 9
to work. I went back about two days after I received nay notice.
"Shortly before I quit working at Iiine B, some started to talk
to me about joining U.M.-I. I don't know their names. They talked to me
in my room at the mine. They did not threaten me, and merely asked me
to join the U.H.". However, these men did say that there would be
trouble at Mine B if the miners did not join the U.h!.'*5. Shortly before
the 191.1 election some person cut up my clothes when they were hanging
in the nine hour; I don 't k_now who did it. On another day when I
was in the mine going to my room from the washhouse, I was hit on the head.
I did not see who hit me because I was hit from the rear. On the last day
that I worked at 1-line B, I loaded three full cars of coal, but I did not
get paid for them. I don't know what happened to my checks.
It makes no difference to me in which union I am a member
Che union is as good as another.
"This statement consisting of this and one other typewritten
a c has been read to be by d I state it is true to the
best of my recollection.
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[s/ , Special Agent, FBI, Springfield, Ill.
Special ..gent F.B.I., Springfield, Ill. " _
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"VIE" WIT" was interviewed at the S ringfield
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" I .. " Springfield, 11111101»
3* 1 September l2, 1943
_ nake the following voluntary statement to
both of whom have identified themselves
* as pocia ngcn s in t e eaera ureau of Investigation. No threats or
promises have been made to me to induce me to make a statement-
a "I move t" when I was youn; and when 1
was ye _ _ tartod workin coal mines in that state.
§ * "Imp became a member of the United Iiine Workers, having
e previously jn nee the Knights of Labor, an organization that preceded U.MJT.
92r"' q Aand which turned over to I held
offices in the U.H.W,
" time I worked in the» ; ;'..':192,$E"' . J2 -1 es as uthur supervisory positions.
1' ' * 1 have that exists, from trapper to
t PY- ' manger.
.1 *___-,7: "In_ went to work at Mine B as a miner. At that time-34¢ T } I was a member of the Uni ed Mine Yorkers. In 1932 the members of U.H.?.
;l' revolted against John L. Lewis because of the alleged theft of ballots, these
"I 9 ballots being voted by the miners in an election held to see if the miners
rt would accept a lower wage. The members would not accept the lower wage andF when the second ballets were supposed to be stolen the men revelted and
formed the Progressive Mine Workers of America. I had nothing to do with
the formation of this Union, but I joined it when the rest of the men did-
For a year or more I was not active in it but then I saw that F,H.A, appeared
3' '*~' to be all right and getting along well w and Elshoff so II u §%. took more interest ' '
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' "1 rggnll that the oontract which 1,!.1,A, had with Elsheff expired
v**?F} on March 31, 1957 had si ned an a"reemcnt with Elsh ff,-itlxh extending the terms of !!e o!! agreement or contract, and it was generally
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INTERViii iiii understood that this extension carried a clause providin§
for retroactive pay back to April l, l937 in the eventcontinued! a wage increase was granted. All men who later returned
to Mine B under U.M.T. received this back pay, but these
who did not return to work did not get it.
u s The state officers of P.n.A. andqassured our conmittc
that the extension which had been signed with Elshe , carried a clause
providing for retroactive pay back to April 1, 1937 and this information was
passed on to the members of Local 54, both by our committee and at meetings.
l feel sure that the members of Local 64 felt that the new contract would
be negotiated, and would be as favorable as any other contract secured by
any other local or by U.H.W,
At about this time there was a small group of men at Mine B,
members of P.M.A., who were causing some trouble by stating that we would
not get a new contract nor our retroactive pay. These men, as I recall
their names, were Bohannon who we called Bowling Green, Frank Austin,
Dominic Pasquale and Sammy Albanese. There was also a fellow named nndy,
Tony Fletch and perhaps one or two others whose names I don't recall. These
men were constantly coming to me saying that we wouldn't get retroactive
pay, and that we should not work without a contract. They were telling the
miners the same thing but
the rest of the men.
"I do not recall
between April 1, 1957 and
"I recall that a
bein: held at the mine asdid not appear to have much success in disturbing
any strikes, lock-outs or shut downs of the mine
May 12, 1937.
meeting of the men was called, this meeting -
I remember, at which time dvised themen that when the new contract was signed, retroactivc!!§_;cs would be paid
back to April 1, 193?.
"There was a lot of meetings held at about this time and I do
not recall the dates and purpose of all or these meetings.
"I recall that Oscar Falcetti told our committee that he did not
know of any retroactive clause in the extension which had been signed.
At about this time four or five of the agitators I have previously
-mentioned were expelled from ?.M.A. I do not recall being at that meeting,
probably wasn't. At any rate, I was not in the meeting when the action was
taken. As I remember, it
sure. At any rate, I waswas at a regular meeting although I can not be
advised that these men had been expelled, and the
following morning which was the day of the strike, the miners refused to go
to work with the men who had been expelled.
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égf NT W I came to work that morning as usual and sat that the.'>_,?"i men were not going down into the mine. The real issue
zi._ _eon 1nued' that morning was the refusal of the men to work with
1 the fellows who had been expelled. There was also some
discussion about wages and I personally told the men to go to work, that we
would take care of the trouble.
"Our comittec then asked Falcotti to discharge the men who had been
expelled from the Union. H: refused, saying that it would be a violation of
the Wagner Act. In the meantime the men had gene to work. Falcetti told
us that the expelled men would work.
"Elsheff showed u at the " " old a meeti withhim. I was there, also an? J We asked Elsheff o ise arge ose men an e re use . I do
remem er if he stated why he wouldn't. At an rate we talked with Elahoffuntil about neon and get nowhere with him. when told me to call
the men out and I issued the orders bringing e men out. There were short
leads coming out of the pit that day, but such action was not authorized
by the union. When the non were called out it was our intention to keep
the men out on strike until we had reached an agreement with Elshoff. His
mind appeared to he firmly made up that he would not discharge those men. _
"Following this, there was a picket line at Mine B for about two
weeks. This was a small line and was on the highway. There was no violence
as far as I know and it didn't last long. After the strike, the matter was
then placed in the hands of the state officers. _
"I remember being present at several meetings held between our
officers and Elshoff. Those meetings were held at Hotels, at the mine and
at many other places. I an not sure of the date nor what happened at all
oi the meetings .
"I recall that a petition was circulated among the men by P.M.A.
and it was signed by most of the men. This petition was taken to the men,
at their homes or wherever they night be. I signed this petition at the
mine while the first picket line was there. I do not recall any other
petitions that summer although I heard that some petitions were passed out.'
he summer we were
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" _ T " TH I recall being present when our officers met with
Elshoff and assured him of our willingness to go back
to work, At that time we told him that we did not want
the expelled men to return, but that ifit was later
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any expense he might have been put to as a result of keeping these men from
working.
I recall that Elsheff put an ad in the paper, sometime in September,
l937, stating that Mine B would open. When we went there, ready to go to
work, Falcotti said that he needed some men that morning to go to work,
but that they would have to be members of the United Mine Workers. When we
had gone there that morning we all expected to go to work. However, in view
oi what Falcetti said we knew that they intended to open the nine under
U,M,W, if possible.
"A picket line was started by P.M.A. at that time in order to prevent
the opening of Mine B by U.H.?., the men stayed there on the picket line to
protect their jobs. I stayed es the picket line as long as it lasted, coming
home on week ends. The only men on the line were members of P.E.5. Sometime
in December, 1937 we were served with an injunction issued by the Federal
Court, making us got off of the property. Some of the men didn't want to
leave but I urged them to leave, I don't believe there was any bad feeling
about this for anyone except Elshoff. This was the lest time I was at
Mine B and this was the last thing I had to do with the entire affair. I
voted in the NLRB election at the Armory in December, 1937 and the election
was quiet, with no trouble. Everyone voted as they felt and P.E.A. won the
election. I went directly from my homo to the polling place and voted.
At this time I made up m mind to leave the mines and not go back unless it
was to manage a mine of my own. -
"I have read the above statement and declare it to be true and correct
to the best of my memory.
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on September 12, was
a e perso and he seemed to give th
impression % did not care at all for any union but had to belong to
them to work and as noted in the statement he dislikes both unions. He wouand
that is
make a rather impressive witness. He advised that he had never been
in his life. secuted the following signed statement but
to sign it.
"I give the following information 1_§ o are known to me to be Special Avon s o e
F.B.I. No promises or reats have been made me to give this statement
"I was born? I first joined H.M.w. in
I11 I tarted at Min bout 10 or 11 veers a o & I still am a-in
. - e a , I g _i there. I joined P.I.1.A. at Mine B when I started I never have hel
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me any good. P.E.A. first attempted to stop me from working there.
couldn't say if there was difficulties at Mine B between P.H.A. Q
management before it closed. No one ever said a thing to me about going
back to U.H;W. I always worked on top in the shop from 8 a.m. to 3:15 p.m
I never attended one P.L.A. meeting. I never liked the P.H.A. officials
as they would not give me a card but the P.M.A. executive officials handedI
down a decision they had to give me a card so naturally I never liked
them. Regarding the men sent to jail for the bombing I don't know a
thing of it as I never associated with the miners; Before Hine B closed
P.M.A. dus were about __same as other unions. That P.H.A. union was
about ___ same as any other union as you never get any benefits from
closed or give out literature. I never heard of any parties Elshoff
as before to work without a contract. I heard that the men were not
wasn't signed yet. I also heard the back pay was to be retroactive.them bu
just pay into them. U.H;?. never picketed Mine Baas far as I know before i
gave for
U..T. or they g"ve for Elshoff. Before Fine B closed in 1937 we worked
without a contract as it always was that way each year. I heard Elshoff
was an independent operator but he did what others did and it was same again
pleased
because a contract formed for others had allowed an increase but Mine B contract
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INTERYIET WITH because they had no contract. Some time later on I heard too
about the men being expelled. I don't care to say which was
the real reason of the strike as it would just be my opinion
as I really don't know the real reason. On day it closed
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e then.cars came up with short loads g I don-t-Dimes why it was
summer of 1937 Q later I worked on the W.P.A. for 8 months
ound town. _I never signed any petition for P.H.A. & U.M.W. as both of them
Ehew I didn't like either of them at all. I have been shown an affidavit
drted 8-25~37 g I recognize my sienature on it but I never read it then butjust signed it £1 I never heard tell me to go to a U.E.i.»'I. meeting.
That affidavit is not true as I = hear that man say it. I was not forced
me n it § I just signed it to get away to sign it. asked
fro him g to get on to work. I never
Springfield g no one bothered me about
I was at sit-down strike one night
I was asked several times to go out but
up if I wouldn't go out. Fhile there i
trouble out there. I don't know half onever
to sig
heard of U.M.W. forming a local in
the strike during the summer of 1937.
but I was not there on first day.
I never wws threatencd3F beaten
t was quiet Q peaceful Q there was no
f ___ men so don't know if outsiders
were there or not and I was not there when the U. S. Marshall came out.
Eetween then § ll-5-39 I had not been o
to reopen it but I never went out as I
H.L.R.B. election in Sprin field, Ill.
to me Q I voted __ way I felt § no oneut to Mine B at all Q I heard they tried
felt they would not re-open. I voted in
It looked like an honest election
forced me to vote. In Nov. 1939 I
received a letter on Sat. to report to work g I went out to work on Sun.
It was an open shop Q I did not pay dues to either union. I saw quite a fer
new men around but I don't know if they were P.M.A. or U.M.W. men. Nothing
was said to me about what wages I was to receive 5 after being out for several
years I just wanted to work. I never heard of attempts to join either
U.M.i. or P.M.A. after Mine B reopened. In the summer of 1940 I did not sign
__ card for either P.I.A. or U.H.W. I never saw any men get beat up but I
heard of it. P.M.A. did not ask me why I didn't pay dues to them. I voted
at ___ next N.L.R.B. election_§'it looked about the same to me Q I voted just
the opposite from before. No one forced me to vote & it was by secret ballot.
hen I first went to work in Nov. 1939 I never went down into the mine. I
started on Sunday g coal started to coe out Tues. They were taking care of
Nine B while it was closed § I don't think it was in such bad shape. I never
heard of any fire at iine B when it was closed down. I did not attend
any U.LI.!I. meeting in my life. I joined U.l£.. as it looked like that was theonly solution__ Otherwise it might be closed down again & that was my opinion.[I never was bothered at all 2 it didn't matter to me whizh union was there
Q I always felt it would have been better to have hed no union at all there.
"I have had Agentread this ! five page statement to mo
2 it is tru to t es of my'kncwledge and as I gave it to
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1nOlS was n e v ewe a S ecial
Agents an He was d
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submitted a copy of e notice to Local T54, showing the misstatement by
concerning the temporary agreement signed April 2, 1937; also, a
o mimeographed letter dated Pay 25, 1937 and addressed to employs s
"B" and signed by ELSHOFF. These papers are being retained in th
files of the Springfield Field Division.ELSHOFF
3 copy of
of Kine
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W was born -ind is a naturalized citizen. It is
not bcliev u Lu d make a OOu wi noss due to his inability to speakEnglish very v.'ell He has no known criminal
The follovaing, is the signed statement obtained from-record.
stztemsnt
of the Fe
Ju1y- I becameder Springfield, Ill.
September 8, 1943
, make the following voluntary
who are Special Agents
or promises of any kind
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INTERV FT W TH They put me on their black list'. These men were
Joe Albenese, Dominic Pasquale, Andy Schrelevicuseon inued Tony Plotch, Geo. Jscaway, Chas. Bchsnnon, _
IIThe day of the strike there were several cars loaded short but
I loaded mine full heceuse I did not row about them e"" 1 d A sh * n Q AP44- vu uu J. uau v A41. vb; U &&lB bvibuwu U601-{LU
until I came out on_top-I
"I think I signed a petition shortly after the strike for P.H.A.
"I remember P.M.A. had a meeting in Washington Park to see what
we were going to do about working in the mine but I don't recall the day.
I was on picket duty at the mine for about 2 months and was present when
an injunction was served against us.
"After the picketing 1 worked on W.P.A.
"I recall voting in a government election at the Arsenal in which
P.H.A. Wen by 404 to 25. '
"I went
I had received a
came to my house
Ch"r]rs Rah-tlnnn __-=~_ ._-_ _ _____._____back to work at Mine "B" in Nov. 1959 as a P.M.A. member.
letter telling me the mine would reopen and later e man
to tell me to come to work. After I went back to work
and one other person whose name I can't recall eeme to
me in the mine and told me that P.M.A. was going down and that I should
join U.U;'. I told them that I would wait until everyone changed before I
would join U-MJT.
because I sew two men oin me out one morning and I knew they ntcndod {to beet me up. when the second election was held 'and did not vote in i . » on came eck they wouldn't give me my job. f
"I haven't worked in the mine sinc
I have had this three pego'statcment read to me by
and it is true and correct to the best of my knowledge.
signed!
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RE: JOH L. LEHIS, ETAL. '
Interviei 1* ith
mhome by Special Ag
He appeared cooperative but it t he would
92 make a good witness because of his lack of knowledge of pertinent facts in this
se rd the fact that he never returned to the mine after Hay 12, 1937. -
denied any criminal record and furnished the following signed state-
R ment: -
"Springfield, Ill.
n September 9, 1943.
make the following voluntary statement
who have made themselves known to me
as spec of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. No threats or
promises of any kind have been made to cause me to make this statement.
"I was born I am presently
residing ield, I11. and nolonger __ working at Q or'oinin the Un'ted Kin I k f started a Kine . -_ ' 1 e nor ers 0 America a . 'and continued there until the trouble in 1937. Between -and
, e .1...»..A. got along alright with the Nine B officials.
"The Progressive Kine Workers of America was formed in 1932 because "
of trouble over a wage cut and the theft of the referendum votes. I took no
active part in the formation of the P.N.A. but I joined P..A. along with all
of my local. As far as unions go the new P.E.;. was about the same as the
U.K.h.A. as for officers, and settlement of grievances, however, there 155
more special assessments under P.K.A. I never attended very many P.h.A.
eetinea ha 't in a union meetings. Between I . ': " ' 5. ' '
the period a enocu nearly all of the mee ings.
"The new Progressive union seemed to get along harmoniously with the
Line B officials. Between 1932 and 1937 the P.lI.A. and ljine B officials got
along fine.
"The trouble in Hay of 1937 started over an argument about a new
contract. I recall some argument over a temporary contract concerning rd.ro-
" acctive wages from April 1. On about April 3 or 4 I heard a rumor at the
mine that there were five or six men at the mine who were U.I-.£.'u'e'.A. organizers.
These men were PETE CARTER, AHDREJ SCHZELEVIOUS, CHARLES BOHANNAN, FRANK AUSTIN
and one or two others. Some time later I heard at the mines that these men had
been suspended for 99 years. Al"-FD.-lE.'.'-' SC§{F£.1.EVIOUS told me personally that he had
been suspended. The P.LT.A. then tried to get Er. E15!-IOFF to fire these sus-
pended men, he refused, and the men went out on strike. I'm not sure whether
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' ' ' mcalled the strike or whether Hr. Ezsnwr
oc e t e men out. I remember on the day of the
continued ' strike when the men were going down they were
whispering about loading coal short. I loaded sme
coal short myself. I think that the main reason for the strike was the arguent
over the wage contract. I was never approached by any of the U.H.H.A. organiz-
ers, nor did I ever see them approach anyone. I came up out of the mine about
2 P.K. on.Lhy l2, l937 and went on home. I went back to Kine B on Hay 27, 1937
to get my check. He never did get the retroactive wage back to April let.
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"From May 27, 1937 I never went to the mine again until they reopened_in Hov. of 1939, on this latter date I went out to the mine and looked the I
situation over and didn't like it so I quit for good. It was "open shop" and I
heard that there were two committees, two check weighmen, and feeling against
the opposite sides so I quit.
"I do recall signing two petitions for the Progressives and voting
in one .L.h.E. election. This election seemed fair and square to me and the
Progressives won out practically unanimous.
"Once I quit at Kine B no one from either union ever came to see me
and tried to get me to sign up or pay dues. Since 1939 I haven't been workin
"Because of JOHH L. LEXIS attitude since the last Presidential
election and his actions in the war crisis I would choose the Progressive
Union at this time. .
"I have read the above statement consisting of three and one quarter
pages. The sane is true and correct and I do hereby sign my name.
sired!
S ial Agent, F.B.I.
Special Agent, F.B.I.
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92- and would make a satisfactory witness. He advised he has never beenarrested. His telephone number is _
lle-e--1..-e-J-K .92'l4-I 1'11_I-JIJL JJREL LUJ-U, J-J-J-.0
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also known as! ollowing voluntary tement
Uom I know to be Special Agent
can es make it without fear of threat, force, or promise
of any kind. '
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and I joined"I was born in
unemployed. I started
the United Line Workers of America Union in working atIine 'B' , Springfield, in about! In l Joined the Progressive Kine
torkers of America because I did no like the actions of U.}.E.'n. They stole
ballots and faced a reduction in wage scale on us. No one in any way faced
me to join P.lC.A.
"Between 1932 and Spring of 1937 I was satisfied with the PJLA.
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noticed no attempts made by U.lt'.Ti. to organize in any way at Mine 'B' .
The company at no time indicated they wanted the men to change to U.l£.W, 92_
"I remmber that about may of 1937 the P.M.A. expelled FRANK AUSTIN, F
JOE LLB.-'NESE, BO}FL1'NG GREEN BOH.'.NTL-LN, PETE. CBRTER, BIL]. SURTOCK, EMORY J. .CA'J1-LI.
JIJ.-E I-LLLE, TONY PLOTCI-I, COTTON ANN.-.NI.".S and ANDY SCHFLELIVIOUS were the men
expelled. They were expelled because they were trying to our P.l-*£.!.. j
local over to U.}.'.1~. Some of these men I believe were expelled at a P.L'.A.
meeting L-ay ll, 1937. But I donot remember how many. I believe the others were
expelled before that. I attended this meeting May 11, 1937 but I cannot re-
member what went on.
"I know there was a wage scale trouble between the company and PJLA.
about this time. On Bay 12, 1937 I went to work as usual as a digger. About
2:00 o'clock in the afternoon we were pulled out of the mines by our local
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JWTEHVIEH U] Q these was the reason for the strike. When I cam out
of the Mine B on Ma 12 l 7 I chan ed clothes and # Y 93 a continued went home. On May 12, 1997, I loaded my cars short. No
one told me to load short, but I saw the other men
loading short and so I did also.
"I went back to Mine 'B"on May 13, 1937, but none of the men were
working and I went back home. After May 13, 1937 I only went back to Nine 'B'
after a picket line had been formed there by ?.K.A. I heard about it being
out there the day after they started, in about Sept. 1937. formed, and I went
I was in the picket
to protect our jobs
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and that was the rea
forced me to be inline for S1 days. This reason we had this picket line was
so the company would not try to put U.H.U. men in Mine B.
this picket line.line was formed about six U.E.W. men tried to go down,
son the picket line was formed. I voluntarily went in the
picket line and was free to come and go as I wanted to. No one in any way
"About 55 days after this picket line was formed, the U.S. Karshal
came out and served notice of a Federal injunction and told us we would have
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come, but I was disappointed when it came late at night and I had to get out
of bed. After that, and until Nov. 7, 1939, I never went back to Kine Bl and
I was never notified to come to work there.
"I do not remember signing any petition during the sumer of 1937.
I may have signed a P.H.L. petition, because if I had been asked
I am certain I did not sign a U.K.W. petition, because if have.
asked to I would have rcfused. I remember
iormed in SnrinefieIT 3' ld during the summer of
"I remember voting in a National
about Dec. of 1937 when P.M.A. beat U.M.W.hearing that a U.K.W.to I would
I had been
local had been
l937, but I was not asked to join it.
Labor Relations Board election
I was not forced or threatened
any way to vote in this election and I thought it was an honest election.
"In about November of 1939 I received a letter from the company
telling that Mine '8' was going to re-open and I was to coe back within tenin
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Re: JOHN 1.. LEWIS, sen.
INTERJIEw' HITH there were many fights and that men were being beat by
U.M.W. men, but I saw none of this. The only thing I
saw was one time was in the wash house ! continued ! q
changing clothes and saw in run out in his bare
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"I remember voting in another N.L.R.B. election in about Feb. of 1941
No one threatened or forced me in any way and I thought the election was fair.
I voted for P.LI.A, but U.hI.'92'u'. won.
"The U.LI.Ti. then set a date which I think was March 15, 1941, that
anyone who did not join U=l_i,h'= on that day could not work in the ne 'B'= The
U.}.'£.-T. men told us this, and no one from the comparw ever told us. On thelast day ame to my room with some slips and told me it was
the last ay o sign or .111."-|. and if I wanted to keep my job at the Mine 'B'I wings have to join u.u.r.'. I did not want to join u.r.w., but_WI also did not want to lose nnr job, so I signed up with u.e;.w. 1
wou :1 ave preferred to stay P.l_'..'..
"I worked at Mine 'B' from then until July of 1941 under U.lrI.W. 3
I did not like it at Mine 'B' under U.!-If. because the U.1!.W- men would I
inconvenience me at every opportunity and steal tools. /
"In March of 1941, shortly after I joined U.lI.W., I received a letter
with JOI-IN L. LE--'IS' signature, saying I had been disloyal to U.L£.T-'. and they
were sending e Sp%C1-31 Investigator from Kentucky to investigate W case. I
never knew of any investigating. On about July 12, 1941, the Sup't. of Nine B
got a letter from U.E.H. Dist. Hd trs. telling the company to discharge me andtwo other men, one whose name was and the other an Italian whose
name I do not know.
"The Company fired me, and I have not worked since that time. I know
oi" no reason why the U.L[.'iJ. said I was disloyal. '
Have never held an oillioe ! any other
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Tvie e lb 1.. y P061 Ag n He was cooperative s not be-
licvee. he will make a gnu H1 ness inasmuch es he has difficultv s coking andunderst -.ndin;.; English. He is a naturalized u. s. Citizen with kn;-tn.
H: has no known cri:>.ina1 record and he supplied the following s gnc statesmen
mcnt to"Springfield, Ill.
September 12, 191.3
make the following voluntarj stat
have identified themselves
..,;onts of Investigatimz. No threats or
promises of any kind have been r:.:".;le to get me to make a st ten-ant and I do so
knov.-in~,_1, it 111;. be used in a court of law.
. HI was born i I came to America in
I became naturalized CILIZCI . o U. b. rea. on of my father obtaining his
citizenship in U. S. I served in the U. S. army during "orld oar #1.
"Ibagel": workin3 in coal nines when I was '3'-rs. old and at Dawson
Ill. I joined U.L{.':I. at that tine. I Started workinb at Mine "B" aboutor I know of no tr auble at Mine "B" until FHA. was for-med in 1932.
I c ;.n;3e:. from U.M.'..". to P.I-£.... in 1932 because the whole local to which I
belonged changed to P-H.L. £31 P.H.n. had th contract with HIDE "B". P-Hv.
so-.:;r.er1 ta but along as well at Mine . B" as U.hI.W. did and there was no trouble
up until the time of the strike in 1937. There was very little difference in
U.1£.'.. and P.li.;.. that I could soc during that tine.
"Ina sprin-_; of 193'? I re:';10:.ibi:I the mine wont on strike and I was
drivin_ c.ntr'}". The men all u._li;ed .>ut be-cause P.!I.4'i. and Elshoff could not
agree .>n the
srme men who
expelled. I
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to show that-..:a_;e scale and b..ceusc Elshofi and Falsetti refused ti fire
had been expelled from P.I-1.». but I don't kn M wloy they were
did not attend any 2_rcetin.;s when they were expelled. -
si;ned a petiti an for P.l-{.J.. shortly after the nine shut dmn
P.!T..3.. had o najsrity of the workers at the nine.
".'.b-out a neck after the mine "B" shut down I got a Job at Old Fest
mine anl worked there until liine "B" reopened. I got a transfer to the P.l!.A.
lacal at Old I-est at that tine. I did nut picket at Mine "B" because I was
working at Old Tfest. _
"1voted in the IJ.L.R.B. election in Dec. 1937 which P.H..'.. won by
a large zmjority. This was a fair and square election as far as I know.
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RE: JOHN L. LEJIS, ET AL
INTLIRVI .' -' . "When Mine "B" opened up in 193!, Old Rest Mine was not work-
ing and when I got a letter from Elshofi telling me that '
c n inucu Mine "B" wauld open and that I could belong bu either PJL11,
' or U=2-1.1} I went bacl; t-92 snarl: as P=1!=i== liter I started -
b.:_c1; 1,» vmrk at I-line "B", J00 nlbancsu, Andrew Skrelevicua, Pete Carter,
Dominic Pasquale, Frank Austin, Tony Plotch, John wottnni Jmanias, J0hn
Sirtmt, Geargc 8: Emry Jacaway, Charles B->hanr_1on, and Jin Hale were attempt-
in. to =>r__:;nize for UJJ-..'. at Mine "B". Tony Fletch and J'!=: hlbanese came to
my h use and triei. get nu t~ jain U.!§.':'. I said I was satisfied with P.I--.I..
anl intendc. to st;-y as l'>n_-_ as I c 92uld. Tony Plotch t vld ue if I '1idn't jein
U.I-..7.'., lshwff mihht cl-ase the :1ine dawn altogether. few days later they
cane back and tuld me I better Jain U.I!.'..'. while I c-"ml". ani I wouldn't
!1:1v;= t» erg; initiation ice. I t:.1l<; than ".110" and that I still satisiiel
with PJL4
Tom Fletch and Joe lbanesc came out to my house the third time, I signed
up with U.I-{.'.J. because I was afraid I wnuld Lget beat up too. If I hav1n't beer. r
scared, I w-vuld still btlon _. to P.H.,.. After I si_;ned up with U.I1.'..'- I worked
ebwut ei ht months and quit because they were puttini; twe men in a room and I _,
ha"-. bad ream and couldn 1:. make any r1~.>ne;- I veted in the sec-and I~I.L.R.B. 4.
aleetinn which U51-{=3} Wen by a pretty close ziajoritys The reason that U=§,'-L
wen this Cl-sctiun was because they had hired a lot of men £1-.m but of the statu
an'1 in uther parts .21 the state who were U.M.1.."lifter Several men tot beat u: at the mine, I yyat scare-.1 anrl when {
"After I quit at Mine "B", I was out J1 work for ahmt a year and then
I v4-mt beck t.» Mine "B" and war-ked for tvm or three months. I quit a ,sin be-
cause I he-.1 a bad roe: and cm.1dn't make any r.1one3'. I haf. to pay a new
initiatim fee when I went back.
"I h.;'JQ at Liinc. "B" since an nu: 'S1':>l"l'Qi!'!'f at Qlcl Fiest-
Mine.
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"If I ha . cg free ch.ice ">1" :1 unien I would choose P.!-LA.
"I have had this pa__;.~ statement read ta nu by itucnt-and"
it is true an} currect ta the best >f W lc:1.a'-rleclge."
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RE: JOHN L. LEBFIIS, ET AL.
VIE! WITH Springfield, I1 inois
was interviews s s I __ 1. e psci 1 Agente ; and I70 not make s good -witness smuc s orms._ an
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the following signed statement: . --
- Springiield, Ill.
September 12, 1943
" "zq Sprin field 111. do voluntarily. i ihe statement o Specie hgent &nd1'0 the Federal Bureau of Investig on. 0 threats
or promises of any kind were made to cause me to nuke this statement.
"I was born
working in the mines in e
Workers of America at that time. I at Mine B in 1934' changing
over to Progressive Mine Workers of June:-ice at that time. Bo for es I
was concerned PMA and the Mine B officials seemed to be getting along
alright.I rst started
United Mine
At th tin f th t ik in 1937 I _ e e_c___ e s r e was driving entry in Boxat Hine B, with Ie didn't even know about the
strike until we - cu on op quitting time. I don't know that
o-9-used the strike and never saw or heard of mr trouble at the mine
leading up to the strike. I have no knowledge of any UIJEIA spies or
organizers being at the mine before the strike and don't recall lay
trouble over wages or anything about a temporary wage contract and anargument about retroactive back pay. ltftl the strike occurred I only '
returned to the mine dnce and that was to get my pay." I don't recall
signing any petitions for any union after the strike end never took
prt either in the picketing or the set down strike out at Kine B.
"I don't remember voting in the N.L.R.B. election}.
After the strike I started working on my farm and have been
so employed ever since, with the exception of n few months in the "winter
of 1942 when I was employed at -Mine A.
"When line B opened up again I never went buck and I have
never been back there since.
"I never attended any Pint union meetings and didn't know
very many of the miners. I don't remember or know JOE ALBM-TEE, 1-IIIJBEH
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P S HALE PETE CARTER INTERVIEW WITH SCHRELEVIUUS, DGMINIC L Q , ,
Fhh AUSTIN TONY PLOTCH, JOHN hHAHIAS JUH" :on lnue SIRTOUT, em5.s:~: and mom .n.cmm, cmmizs
_ Barman BJ'1'LI1L; G'REEII!_5>_1; mm H:d.E.
"I have bed Agent read the above ue and three quarters
f t te ent to me e same is true and correct and I do herebypages o s a m= 0 Q!
sign my name.
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HE: JO}m Ls LEWIS, ET AL. ." if!/M /A
. .-'l ~j 92:~INTERVIEW ms - " ';L iminary interview was
andr 15, 1943 QI10!!B!'
Illinois by Special agent
tement was obtained from him.
is willing
set at present he is working atIllinois, and living at th theres However
his work takes him elsewhere e muy e ooeted through the people at
his legal "residence at Springfield.
_' inte11'v-ent cooperative end should mt-ke s' 18 1__, , _ ,
good witness. He hes advised that he has never been arrested, and Wes
not connected in any way with the mine bombing ease. He was named
in the Federal injunction obta ined by ELSHOFF in November of 1937,
but was never cited for contempt in connection with this injunction.
It was noted during the interview thnt he had sane difficulty in
esteblishi the exnot dates oi some of the conferences with ELSHUFFH stutement is as follows:
Q Illinois,ep em r 15, 1943
"1, ke the following voluntary state-
ment to SpeoiL1l':-x.g'eY'i_ of the Federul Bureau of Investi-
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and was born I simrted
working in and continuedI
this occupation until about three ago. I started worki forthe Mine B Coal Compuzzgr, Springfield, Illinois m L.e
that time the mine was being run by GJHRL H. ELSH ¢ me I
was o member of the United Mine Workers of America hereafter referred
to as the IMFIA; however I never held any offioiul position in this
union. In the sumner and full of 1932, I joined with the movement
which resulted in the organization of the Progressive Kine Workers of
luneriou hereafter referred to as the 1'-s1¥t*<.. I did not take an aeti--e
oort in the organization of the HEM, but when looul nunber 54 of the
*1 llin B C I-1
I joined it. Loool mlnber 54 voted unanimously to go Progressive with
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During t 1. ong
114--.. -..- -1-ogreseives; there sex-e grievenees of eeurse, but these
were settled in the due course of negotiations, without any inter-
ruotion of work. Most of our dealings were with BOAR F-rsLCE'1"II, the
suterintendant of the Mine.
"One day early in April 1937, TONY PLUICH 00-me up to me in
the wnsh house at the mine and said do you know that we are not going f
to get any book pay for the time that we have worked from April 1.
I said, Fwhc told you were not going to get any retroactive pay.
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said we will go over and see that euperintendnt. I went over Irith
PLOTCH and .1 bunch of other fellows. I asked_Fh.LCETTI if he told
PLOECH that -we were not going to get any retroactive pay. FALCETTI
said that he did not tell him in those words that he was not going
to get it, but told PLUICH that he did not see how the miners were
going to got the back pay under the agreement that ELSHOFF had signed.
Then Faleetti showed me the contract, and asked she if I saw anything
in the agreement that so-id the minors were going to get book P0-yo I
said that I did not know anything about that; that it was up to the
officials of the Union to decide things like that. .i:Lfl'.61' that con-with the Pit Committee composed oto see the board membe or our . -
tr ct-= he the_ eonereee he eigned with £1-.T92Ji=F ales enn-ini and for retroactive back pay. h.1"1'L.1'1gBmG1itB were mde for
outo come out and talk to the men the next morning. came
o the mine the next morning and told the men that they e going
to get retroactive pay, and that ELSHOFF would have to live up to his
oontrcot. On this morning FILBETTI and the bosses reaeed to let the
men go down into the mine saying tlmt it was too 11.-te to go to work.
The time to begin work work was 8 Mal, and the time that the bosses
refused to let us work ms before 8 o'clock. On the following day
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the Pit Comznitte were wanted on top. We went up and found a group
of men, rem Pierce, may sxmzisnsos, JOE nLB:.IU§iE, DQHIHIC 1=u.sQm.Lr., -EETE C1-.R'1'E.R, and 0. few other people. On this day these men who werelhter tried and fotmd to be active the the Ilbh, again stated th-t K
we were not going to get any retro&otive_§:T1'y, and this time they had ,
yellow pieces of paper which they had to support their story which
they said they got frcm the coal ocmpany. I ngoin went to F:.LCETTI'S
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From then onthem they were not going to get retroactive pay, but
again produced the contract end asked if any pro-- "
visions. could be fozmd in it regarding retroective
pay. These fellows were trying to strike the mine-
until the strike on May 12, 1957, these men did not work
much. They would hung around the top of the mine trying to Hill: to
dO'WIlcany one who would listen to them, and some days they did not even go -
"LI-=ter in April or the first of Hey 193?, we expelled five
of these men
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we were working under u closed shop contract with Iline B
which provided that no one except those who belong to the PM» could
work at the mine. On the morning of Mlly 12, 1937, after these men
had been excelled mx the union, I and and the Pit Colmnittoe wont to
OSCAR FALCETTI und steted that these menure no longer Progressive
miners, end under the contract were no longer entitled to work atMine B. mncsrrz mid according to the labor boo-rd or the
Wagner uct, I cannot stop ose men frcln going to work. If I do I will
got in aids '
with the closed shop contract.
any thinking
five men from going to work if they wanted to. I later brought this hemI said that I did not think that that had £=n;,'thing to do
He soid that it was not for me to do
about its He suid that he was not going to stop those
to FALEETTI when he had signed e contract with the TJM¥=Lu and refused to
put Hm men to work because ho had such o contracts ht that time
he would not
him what hadeven unswer me. I then or-921led up and toldhupeenedsg cone out and e ELSHOFF. ELSHOFF
supoorted his superinten on »I.CET'II rclntive to putting the men book
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violv-tion ofthe Wagner -not to discharge the five men. He agreed how-
ever to see his lawyer nnd give n definite answer at 2 PM that r-fter
noon. When we met him that afternoon, he started raising ouin about the
short am-rt'E. of cool coming up out of the mine, and refused to dealwith 115 at el1 then went out I.-nd told the check weighnnn and
engineer that ed refused to negotiate any further with him-
The cheek weigh-son sent n note do--'n to notify the men as to whet hud
happened. The men come out of the mine.
"nfter this there was some picketing at the mine for a
period of about three weeks. It was during this time that B-
petition was
wanted to be
petition out
-w-~- - -circuleted among the employees of the mine to see if they
represented by Pile. 1-LpPrOIiI§1L&tG1y 412 men signed the
of I1 possible 450 or 460. The next time that I recall
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INTEP.VI1-3'1 IITH seeing; ELSHOFF was around the 23, 24 or 25th
of Hay 1937, when I went down with the others to
continue get my pay check. at this time EISHUFF was also
handing out hand bills which purported to see
out the contractual agrement with the PMA, but left out an import-It-
pllrt of that agreement. around the middle of July 1937 I,_ and
the oit ccmmittee went to see ELSI-EFF. We took the mtiti
hi-d been signedbyrthe men. I told ELSHOFF that I had a petition
which had been signed by the employees of that mine stating that they
desired to be represented by the Hm as a collective bargaining agency.
EISHOFF said that he did not doubt our word that all the signatures
were legitimate. FLLCETTI took it, looked at the pages, and said tint
some of the names on the petition were on EMU. cards. ELSHOFF asked if
he could keep the petition for a few days. I said that would be all
right if he gave me a receipt for it. He and FALCETTI Went out of the
rocm for a few minutes and then came back with a letter typed outcc1cnow1edg:'u1g the receipt of the petition but not the authegticity of
the signatures. spoke to ELSHOFF about a contract, t ELSHOFFwould not signed? ' '
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no strike and 1a1.?1w*e vfere ready to go to work at any t ELSHOFF
contended that we were striking. I also recall that told
ELSHOFF that the case of the five men could be taken u ore the
labor board, and if the board decided against the PMH1-., the Union
would stand any expense for back salary and the like for which the
ecxnpany might be liable for discharging the five men. During all
this time ELSHOFF and FnLCEITI did not seem to be particularly disturbed
over the fact that the mine was not working; in fact they seemed to be
pleased. We tried time and time again to meet with them but EISHOFF i
would be out of town, or he could not be located. after this meeting I.
in June I was out of the mine and saw scne of the top bosses taking
the mules out oi the mine. I told F.¢92LCElTI that the work belong to
our men, but he said that it did not amount to much.
Sometime between e 1 and Sentember 27, 1957and 1 went into c..1=: n.1.c1"-ml,
and others were there. wen c to the wash room,
0SCnR FnI.BEITI followed me back there, saying that I had better get cm 1
Ithe band wagon, that the mine was going Titl. I told F:..L¬HTI that
the men had elected me and that I was going to stick with than in the
progressives. _
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NT W *' I went book one got-and said 'Let'l
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"en-1y in August 1957, I went out to themine with and _to talk to ELSHUFF about signing n
contract. s the spokesman. ELSHOFF refused to sign u con-
- tract, and if he decided to sign £1 conizr-0t he would get
in touch with us. We, later in hgut, went book to get the petitiontntt had been given to ELSHQFF in July 1937. gagnin talked to
ELSHOFF about signing contract, but he again re se . He said that -when
he signed o contract it would be with :1 union, but did not say III-t
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"In the earl Chinego,Illinois with % to see,.Hr.
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EDMUIIDSOI-I represented the [fills at we were asking for an
election at Mine B to determine who the men wanted to represent them,
PIN or Iltbt. ED1.iLP_-¬DSON did not -wont an election, saying that he
had a contract and would put the mine to work. Te produced our
evidence in tho fem of petitions and the like, and asked EDETUIFIBOII
to do the sumo. E11-EUIIDSOIJ refused to present any evidence to show that
the men desired U1-EL. to represent then, suying that he would do it Lt the
right time. . _
"Late in September l9.5'7, it was announced in the papers that
the nine was going to open and th'-t they would need about 50 men to
open tho mine. I led obout 200 employees, nonbers of FINA, out to the
mine that morning, and approached Falcetti. I asked Fnlcetti how many
men he wanted; he said he needed around 50. I said I got than out
here in all 010-ssifioiltions. Falcetti soid that he was not going to
put any body to work but United Mine Workers. I remined him about his
previous contention about the labor bonrd when we wanted him to put
the mine buck to work without the Iaen who htzd been expelled frcln H1}.
in Hr-y 37. Falcetti said that it vans different now. Falcetti said how
do I know that all the men out there are all progressive; there may be
some United Mine Workers among them. I said I will prove that to
you Oscar and then I called men through the office and asked them
who they wanted to work under. They r..ll suid progressive. Faloetti
then wanted to stop this procession, and I said that I was doing this to
prove to him that the men wanted to work at Pilhg he said all right,
let them come on through. He refused to let any of them work however
unless he was n United I-line Worker. about 10 or 12 non wont down into
the mine that day. 1.1-tor FhlEETTI come out and asked no to clear the
way; that he wanted to put acne men to work. I said all right bring *them on out, no one willbother them. He took the twelve men who hcd 92
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TETEVIEF .-'1'?" "Qn the next morning, I 9.gn§..!'. went out with them, und told him tint we were ready to go
oontinued! to work. The twelve men were there but no attempt
was mode to put them to work. From thot tine
on until we were enjoined in Federal Court lute in November 1937 we stayed
out there at the mine night and day to protect our jobs. It was rumored
about this time that II-{Rh was going to bring some strike breakers to
put the mine to work.
"men: in Qotober 1957, x erith !.LZ_-'1 the Pit 902:."-~..itteehad o meeting with Elshoff relative to put@he mine back to work.
This was during the time when negotiations were being carried on to '
out the mine to work for u certain number of days, and then hold n
election. We felt that some progress was made on this date, but nothing
ever come of it.
"I was time of the election. I
voted however
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"-Ie won the election, and were certified on Janus '4 1937.ed to open on this morning. I went out withand others. The United States liurehe.1- wou no
g n down to the mine. I went on down I went in with the pit
e to see FJJLCETTI, saying that we had the men to go to work and
that we had been recognized by the NLRB B.s the bargaining union.
FALCETTI said that he was not recognizing any one but United Mine Workers.
Then CI-Le.'RLES BOHQYNOXI, end seid '8_=,r Cod I "r reident of low}. M59 T..'1l!H'.*~.=and I said mtcsrri said let's 92
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OSCAR, do you refuse to recognize my nen and let them go to work here? 3He said Wes I em not recognizing anyone but United Mine Workers.
t were the e elled men Amon those resen the morning Ip , I said "Tell I guess that is a o e I
gun o. g n e car and left. The mine shut down and did not ,
operate any more until November of 1939.
"1.bout the middle of his-roh 1938, I vrith_.r-ndwent out to the mine to see ELSHOFF. we hud heard em-. the
mine was working. ELSHOFF met us and suid fhht are you doing out
here; don't you know there's an injunction against you.' I BL-id not
when you oome out on business. EI.SHO1-F staid ' you have not got my
business out here with me. I s1-id no, but I have some with your .
superintendent. I asked FHLCETTI who had loaded the props on the or-rs,
ate-ting that if there was any work at the mine we were entitled to it
under the NLRB ruling. FALCETTI iid that iiiii right, but that the top
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INTER'JIE'='f WITH bosses had loaded the props. We nonfiedW of the result of our talks with mmmrrx.
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K nM 1 do ggt gegoll any other meetinzs with ofioila of themine after that date. but I left
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RE: JOHN L. LEXIS, ET AL
h Springfield,inois, was interviews at his residence on September 5,1.9./,3, b_n Special Agents 8.1'l'1 His native born and spe s very Good na is How
eus., he stated ha he does not want to testify in court because he does
not want to get into trouble. He said that were it not for the war and his
feeling that he has a patriotic duty to work in a mine, he would be livingin a home for Jorld liar Veterans. Throughout the interviewg-was quite
nervous. He said that on several occasions he has been in jai cause of
The fOll0.-.'i1'1;_' signed statement was obtained from
"September 5, 1943
Springfield, Ill.
"I, make the following voluntary statement topan whom I know to be Special Agents of the
ederal bureau o nves iga of my own free will, with no threats or
promises made to me.
"I an presently living at
and an working at Mine B. I was
I joined the United Hine Workers in
mined a member until 1932, when I the Yorkers of
America, at Kine B, where I had been employed since I have
never held an office in any union. In 1932, John L. to a Iage
cut for the miners, 10% at first, later 50$. The men became dissatisfied,
and started the P.H.A. I felt as the rest of the miners did, and joined
the P.K.A. voluntarily, From 1932 until 1937, there were no strikes at
the nine, no trouble of any kind with the management, and the men seemed
to be satisfied with the us; the P.h.A. was being run. I didn't go to very
many P.K.A. meetings, but I never heard of any trouble between the officers
and members of the union. As far as I know, the men were free to get up
at the meetings and speak their mind, and there were no railroading methods
used to try to get the men to do what the officers of P.H.A. wanted them
to do. During the period from 1932 until 1937, I don't renenber anything
happening which would show favoritism for U.UJT. on the part of the management
"I heard that some men at Mine B were trying to pull P.H.A. men over
to U.H.?. before the strike. None of these men talked to me, and I know
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of them being an Italian called Sammy, a Cotton, ohannon, Hale, Plotch,
Carter, Austin, the Sirtout boy, and one of the Jacaways. I would see them
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IN'IERVIE' J tom _ talking with men around the nine, and
continued! knew they were trying to get men for
the U. E. U., but I never heard what
they were saying, and, as I said, none of then ever contacted me, because
they knev that I would do that ever the majoritr of the men would do. I
_uas satisfied with the P.H.A., the men were treated squarely by therI.r92- __, ___'l 4|_ _r92n_-__,_-i_____ n__:__,1 ,92_ _192_l__L__LD1l1CC. S, 3.110. ENC OlllCGl'5 EYE trying DO QC T111911 H553.l'92___ L§_i ?J.__LiA101" "DRE Hl].HBI'5¢ .
"I didn't go to the P.H.A. maetin; the night before the strike, don't
knew what wont on at the meeting, and had no advance notice of the strike.
I first heard of the strike in the wash house on the day of the strike.
I heard that the strike was called because Elshoff refus
seven men who had been trying to pull men away from the
U.H.T. The P.E.A, wanted him to fire the men, and he reed to fire the twenty
P.H.A. into the
fused. The wage
scale dispute had nothing to do with the strike. I went back home that day,
L.l92J DZ. L1 Jl92J 11% ll JLLI JTJ I av-n4 5+ i921er-I Hnma ti-92n n¬v+ r-1g~r
"A little bit after the strike started, tyo P.M.A.
came to my hous , and isned me===-=11. I
which union Iwnnto!. N was 5&!1S!lt! with P.H.A., and signed a paper they had with them
That summer I heard that a U.H.I. local had been organized, but no one
tried to get me to join it.
"I don't remember getting an notice of the nine opening up in Septent-
of I937. I heard aoout the picket line, and went out voluntarily. 2
heard that the reason for the picketing was that the mine tried to reopen
with U.K.I. men. I was on the picket line for some time
boilers to keep the mash house warm. Nobody told me to
but I did it to have something to do. I think that the
nas gotien so the P.K.A. men would have to get out, and
get into the sin . I have no facts to back this up.and fired the
fire the boilers
federal injunction
U..T. men could
"I don't remember any attempts to open the mine in December 1737,
or Januany, 1938. -In December of 1937 there was a union election. I got
word of it from a P.H.A. man, and saw a notice of it inthe paper. There
was no pressure put on me to vote a certain way. I voted for P.H.A. be-
cause I know it was the majority, and was satisfied with it.
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T.P.A., and had no interest in Bins B or the unions. No one saw me during
this time about either union. In the fall of 1939 I got e notice through
the nail about the mine opening, and telling me when toreport back to
work. I went back some time after the mine o ened, as it was in pretty bad
shape when it opened. I was still a member of the F.H.A. when I went back
to work. I changed over to the U.M.T. just before the election in 1341. I
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'.."rmn _1-m.I am I
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and I did. I didn't want to have anytrou':>lc, and I hacl seen one fellow,', after he was supposed to
' have been beaten up over union trou Ie.
"In February of 1-341, at the election, I voted for the U.I£.T7., be-
cause I felt the majority oi the men went U.L1.'7-'. Many of the old P.}I.A.
men were gone, and the U.!.f.'{. had "Lashed a lot of new men in. Sometimeafter the mine reopened, I sewh give some cheeks, §*el.lo~' ones,the sens color as those used b;, oFand two others,
mhosc names I don't know. I b-lieve those c L;C'S were given on a regular
mine pay day, but I don't lcnow "what they were for. It might have been
that he had just picked up their checks for thcm,e.nd was giving them to the
T.1£:n. I nod an idu:; that some of the men were being paid for their
authorities, but I don't have enytiaing to beck it up.1-92"'l T 1-.1 2-1 '|.r' lie J. N215 ..'-31-A 1'13,
"During the picketing, at first, Elshofi would let P.I!.A. '30 to the
bottom of L111: shaft for coal to he-at tho boilers, but after a short time
h; stoppeci that, and the men brou ;ht their own coal.
"I haw, had the foregoing, consisting of e.ppro::irnz"lt.,l;;' five pages,
read to me, and state that it is the truth to the best of my knowledge."
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Special Agents, F.B.I.
Springfield, Ill."
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Re: JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL
INTERVIEW WITH
Dciartmzntl
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Springfield, Illinois. He s and understands English well would
make 2. satisfactory "witness what information he can furnish. He advised
he has no criminal record.
_ gave the following signed statement:
1
Sept. 11, 1943
., make the following voluntary
whom I know to be Special
I make it without fear of -.stltcmnt to
Agents of the Bureau
threat, force or promise of any kind.
n1 was born 1 and came to the U. S. in _I became a U. S. Citizen in pring 1e d, I ., in -
"I first started working in mines in the B. S. in _Ill. I was then a member of the United I..'ino Tforkers of America Unlon. lstarted working in the Mine "B" in about In 1932 I joined the
Progressive Mine iiorkers of America Union ecause I did not like the activi.
ties of John L. Lewis, especially when he refused to abide by the referrendum
vote. No one in any way forced or threatened me to join FHA. I took no
active part in the organizing of FHA and I have never held an office in any
union.
"During the time from 19-$2 to
or close downs duo to labor trouble at
any company officials to discredit the
either PW. or UIJH. Ho effort was made to get mo to join ULSI. During this
time between 1932 and I-ay 1937 I thought the P11?» was a good and honest union.
I thought the PEA officials were honest and I noticed no special assess-
ments of an unusual nature. There were no efforts by FHA to keep the men in
line because they all seemed satisfied. I remember reading of some bombing
cases during this time but I knew nothing about them; therefore I cannot say
whether or not the trial's were fair.Hey of 193? I never noticed any strikes
I-Tine "'B"~ I noticed no attempts by
PLEA or in any way show favor to
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Re: JOHN L. LEWIS, ET AL
T D " During this same time I never noticed any attempt!
y UHF to organize at Mine "B". I never saw an UMW
CoHtlnUQ ieket lines and I never saw any UM literature.P
» "I never heard anythin; about any HEW spies in FHA. I did not
attend a PEA meeting on May 11, 1937, the night before the strike.
"On May 12, 1957, I went to work as usual as e digger. In the
early afternoon the driver told us we were to come out. I did not know
why we were called out but I heard later that the President of our FHA
local called us out because the company refused to fire some men who had
organized a UHH local. These men were: Joe Albanese, Andy Schrelevious'
Dominic Fasquale, Pete Carter, Frank Austin, Ton Fletch, a Jacaway,
Bowling green Bohannon and Jim Hale. I went right home on Hay 12, 193? and
came back to work the next day, but we never went down into the mine and
I heard we would not until these men were either fired or wont back to PHA-
I heard there was also some retroactive wage trouble at this time, but I
did not think that was the reason for the strike.
"At no time after Hay 12, 1937 was I ever notified to come to work
at Mine "B" until in Nov. of 1939. I know there was a picket line at Mine
"B" by PEA in about Sept. of 1937, but I was not out there the day it
started, and I was in it only about two days.
"During the sumer of 1937 I remember I signed either two or three
FHA petitions. I never signed any UHF petition. I never attended many union
meetings because I lived so far away, and I do not remember attending an
meetings while the Mine "B" was closed.
"In Nov. of 1959, I got notice from the Company that the nine "B"
was going to reopen, and so I went back to work there. I got m old room
back. I was still a member of PMA and nothing was said to me about unions.
"From the time I went back to work in Nov. of 1939 until I joined
UM? after Feb, of I941, no one at any time ever tried to get me to join
UMK in any way, I was never forced or threatened in an we and I did not
see any organising going on out there. I heard and
were organizing, but I never saw them organizing.
I never saw any fights but one, when an
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INTERV ET ' way and I thought it was a fair election. I voted
PMA at that time, but when I saw after the election
c ntinucd! that UH had the majority, I joined the UHF» I had
no trouble at all-
Khen the Mine "B" re-opened in 1939 I did not notice that there had
been any fires, but I did notice there had been many cave ins. In fact the
section known as the Main Sauth' had all caved in
"I prefer Ph over UMT, but I believe in majority rule and that
was the reason I went UHF.
"This statement of four pages has been rend to ma and it is true
and correct to the best of my knowledge»
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~ Re: Jozm L. LETS, 1:1 11..1.»
Springfield, JTEP"'E- '-"ITH * =
* , . 92 12, 1943, by Special Jlgents and;_-._ I cannot speak or understand spoa s is na ive
r . ' h tong"-_1c po gr. _e said he was never arrested.
*'; I had to act as interpreter during the inter-v:i.ew,
J following signed statement.
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4 tat nt freely and volun- - "1, make the fol1o~.':in!' s .. ems --*" i - tarily to and who have identified them-
selves to ureau of Invosti ation. I L gen s 92- edor B g
*3 I-Io threats or promises have been made to no to obtain this statement.¢-- 7
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"I don't ruzember when I first joined the United I-Zine '-orkers.
' ' ' = " = = ' tart dIn 1932 I JOIl.n'.2d the Pro~rcss1vc _!ll'1£. -orkors of uncnca. I s a. to work at Iiinc B oboutp I don't remember when I re-
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§l.?T stole my tools and powder so often that I had to quit. I couldn't" make a living at "inc B. 1.150, I would load my cars and would sand it
to be weighed, out I would never get credit for some of those carsfi
I think that some One was stealing my checks off my cars, and thenM l put a different chock on the car. I don't know who was doing this -to
me. I wasn't raking any monoyat Mine B so I had to quit,
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" "Several tines some mcn whose names I don't know told me that I -~
would get beaten up if I did not join U.H."i. They also said that if
I didn't join U.I.I."','., I would 1050 my job, I signed up vrlth U_]fj,T','_ ._.¢
'" after Eiine B reopened only because of those throats.I I
' "Liter the UJL F. obtained the right to bargain for the minersI 1---_i.;§ at Ziino B in 1941, mgr cars would weigh the same, but I would not got" credit for all the cars I loaded.
"I liked the ?.LL1.. better tn.-in U.1,1_*.T_ because P.H.I.. never
cheated me, and always treated no better than U-11.7.
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"M present I an cnployod in the Old qbst Kine, and am s member
Of P.![.._._thore.
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IQ INTERVT7" -ITH Springfield,'11 * inois, was in erview s o on September 1'7IQ 1 b Special Agents an? was coo rative u it is no ieve e 5. pe 1
~ would make a good witness inasmuch as he has only a very limited know-. - - Ir -92 -i- v-92 -- 1- _ u _'.__I__I92 ________Iledge 01 one nine 5 5J_.tH-itlon. I'.9235 no 16101111 C1'll|11H-.L renorm-
He furnished the following crimina recor .
"Springfield, Ill.
September 1'7, 1943
"I , pringfield,
I volun Agents No threats or promises of
' statement.a.n
any kind were made to cause me
I first startedlt g bestcan reme er. gan to wor a B aboutand qui y I2,
1937. I am presently memployed."I was born in
working in the mines abo
I mb I be
"The trouble in 1932 and the start of the Progressive Union
was caused by John L. Lewis trying to lower our wages and dictate to
.. T $411 I ' Ius. 1.. am SD11-J. a -regressive, and have been since it started. The P}.-A
union was fine and dandy and got along swell at Mine B until the trouble
in 1937. _
"I don't know what caused the strike at Hdne B on Hay 12, 1937
but do recall that we didn't load full cars that day.
I remember signing a PMA petition at PMA Hall showing that I
favored PEA shortly after the strike.
"I don't know what started the pioketing and Sit Down strike out
at Mine B but I was there most of the time and was there when we were
put off by injunction.
"I voted in the N.L.P..B. election which PEA won 404-25.
"ilhile the mine was on strike I was on HPA, and was working -
there when I got a letter to come back to work. However I had the fluand ease 't able to go back to works as soon as I able I went to 2!ihe92B but Mr. Falcetti said that there wasn't any job for me. I tried again ~.
to get my job back two or three weeks later but irlr. Falcetti told me 3
' nothing doing' - and I have never been back since. 3
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1}'*1£,qx.'1'5,.; NIT}-I "I m a Progressive and like it because it is aé 92 _ rank and file organization and 1 don't like a dictator
on inue like John L. Lewis.
"I have had the above statement consisting of 13;; pages read tome by Agent The same is true and correct.
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sea ispl-eriela.illinoisl was interviewii ii lie home by iiicial Agent! an ow'tnes as o e ism ssal o 1 I was cooperative and might make a goo 1 s 1
leged spies inasmuch as he was a trial board member at that time. His scope;
as a witness is lim' owever, since he never returned to Mine B afterHay l2, 1937. denied any criminal record. He furnished the
following signer statement. .
"Springfield, Ill.
September 9, 1943-
"I, Sprin 'eld 1. do volun-tarilv iwe the following statemen 0 pecia Agents a11d-
of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. No t ea s'or
promises o ind have been made to cause me to make this statement. BR?
"I was born in I first Started
and Join h United Mine
worxers of America in began out a e a ouworking in the mines in
t' ' ' - B b t From that date
until 1932 the U.K.W.A. g t along alright with the Mine B o icials
"As I understand it the U.I.W.A. split up
second referendum vote on the wage scale was stolen
and signed a contract anyway. I attended a meeting
Gillespie and was on the way to West Frankfort when
Sheriff. After the Progressives was formed I joinein 1932 because the
and JOH L. LEHIS came in
at Reservoir Park at
we were turned back by the
d up along with all of the
other men at Kine B. I liked the new Progressives better. It was a cleaner cu
organization, altogether. I was in favor of its officers and democratic
policies. Between 1932 and 1937 the Progressives got along just fine until
some paid "bugs" came in to cause trouble.
"The trouble in 1937 started because the Progressives kicked out some
men for trying to organize for U.Z.h}A. The ones that I recall being sus-
pended were: CHARLES BOHANNAN, AHDEEW SCHEELEVIOUS, GEORGE JACAHKY and one
other that I b lieve was PETE CARTER. I was on the Trial Board at the time
' ' was The men along with , and a man whose first name Q
mentioned a ove ai a they wouldn't be tried by us but wou tried only
at U.M.".A. hall. These men had been going around in the mine trying to get
' ' " he nded these men for 99 years the miners to Join U.M.h.A. The local t n suspe .
Hr. ELSHOFF was asked to diam refused, and the men went
out on strike ordered by The failure of IrELSH-OFF to fire the suspen!e! ill. mer = cause of the strike. I
have no knowledge of an short loads on the day of the strike. The strike
occurred about 2:30 p.m. on Hay 12, 1937.
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T -rview wi . I don't recall ever signing any P.E.A. petitions after
the strike. I remember getting irord at PJLA. head-
continue quarters that the mine was going to open. when we got
out to Mine B that morning OSCAR FALCETTI Said that he
wanted only U.M.W.A. men. There was a small group of U.E.W.A. men there who
went down into the mine. I remember Bowling Green CHARLES BOHANNAN! PETEC£RTEB, TOHX FLCTCH, FRANK AUSTIN, AHDEEH SCHRELEVIDUS, DOKINIC PASQUALE, JOHN I
COTTON! LHAEIAE, JOHE SIATOUT, & BILL SIRTOUT, GEORGE and BEAR! JACAAKY, &
JAIIS H;_I_E. These men were all U.I~.¬.h'.h. organizers who had men causing tron _
at Kine B. Starting that evening about 300 P.K.A. men started picketing at
the mine. I was at the mine day & night for almost two months. Since we were'
run off the Mine B property by the injunction I have never been back since.A.
I remember voting in the first N.L.R.B. election which the
Progressives won by a large majority.
"I got a letter to go back to work in Nov. 1939 but I
v 1 04. 1- -| -i92_ '.|__Clt'1'11't 100.1. Winn it.
"I also remember the second N.L.R.B. election, but couldnt vote
because only those who were working could vote. The U.M.W.A. won that
election.
"Since Hay of 1937 no one has ever been to see me to get me to sign
up with U.I.I..-..A. or to sign a petition showing that I favored U.1.'.".¢.A. I
never saw anyone wet beat up out at Eine B because I never went back after it__,,___..1 _.__ H,-.J. *'...1...... ...,..... .. .........1 :-....:.......1 ...-r ._..:.....-. .-..... 1.-..-..:"|-- 1......+..... t... . .DPLLJLQ up UK-i' W11u mat: 1: guuu .:.14.::uu uu. 1.1.1.115 nun u=1u.i92y uwaucu u i
' I I EAUKGA 1 n W1 . a pick handle because he wouldn't join U.H.W.A.
told me about this.
"If I had a free and voluntary choice of unions I would chose P.l6.A.
HI have had the above statement consisting of three and one~fourth1! pages read to me by Agent - The same is true 32 correct and I do
hereby sign my name.
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Pcial Agent, F.B.I.
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Re: JOHN L. Isis, ET 11..
noes "ITH I SpringeldIllinois, was intervie re s re- - ce ¢
1:». 1943, by Special ;4;entsa11dpen}-zs and understands wel1, and can
LXpIC.eS ulI1S conerently. He does not road En lish well, -but 18 B1319to engage in question and answer conversation. Said 119 has 1191791
been arrested for :1 crime. If necessary, he wil es ify. It is noted
that stated he has not been naturalized and is not a citizen
of this coum _. The following signed statement was furnished by
"September 12, 1943
Springfielcl, Ill=
"Ii H, me}-to the following voluntary statement
to or whom I know to be Special
s reeu oi lnvestigtion, of my own free
l, with no th.r= ts or promises made to me.J.
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"I an living a Springfield, Illinoisworking at Pan 0 , . 1 b0m*
I czuae to the wited in- roturno to
and cane beck to this country pernanentl in
naturalized. I joined the U.II.". in in
In 1932, I joined the Pd!-1.. I was not working 1'1 time-
:-92 member of the P.1-I.I.. now.
"I began working at jtine B in 1934. Ls fer as I was concerned,
I was entirely satisfied with the P.Z:'.;-., and conditions at the mine
seemed to be pretty good. Jefore the strike in Hay, 1937, I heard
that there were some non in the nine try ing to get the miners to sign
petitions and cards for the U.?I."'.. One was an Italian, new dead,
whose none I can't remember. I don't kno-u1:h_o the others were, but
no one approached no on it.
"I think that the company really caused the strike in liay of
1937. I went out to work one morning, and was changing clothes in
the wash house before going down into the nine, when Dominic Pasquale,
Lndy Sohrelevious, George Jae,-may and it-ny Ploteh tried to stop no
from going dome Tlley told no thnt line B rrouldnlt p-3;! the 1.-mg-es the
other nines 1-rer:. paying, that the mine wouldn't peg; the back pay of
the ncm to npril 1. Dominic Pasquale told me to sit down - I told
him no, that I wanted to work, and went down into the mine. The
next day, the P.!!.... officers asked the management to fire these men,
and the nanagement refused. The men then quit work about two o'clock,
because they didn't want to work with the U.I{.i'. men. The company had
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J v 9 'th the authorit of a referendumon inue P 2.1.1.. acted only 111 3'
vote of the members, and the members had faith in the lead-
ership of the P.Ii.J.. officers, and knew they could get as good a wage scale 88
the ' _J,!.§,T.', could. .
"it short time after the strike started, I signed a petition for
the P.II.t'.- The purpose was to find out how many men were in favor of the
P.f.z' ., to show to Elshoff, and perhaps to send to Fashington. I aigned
this petition because I wanted to, and no one made no sign it. I heard
that a U.H.T.-'. local was begun in the summer of 1937, because I heard of some men
who had been
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I saw a notice in the paper that the ._m__ne
t out to the nine the da it was to o en butI+92v-um P01192-in-.. LGAA-J»
open up.
when we got there, Felcetti came out to talk to us. He said that no One
could go down into the mine unless he belonged to the 11.11.-I. He said this
next to the shaft, where we were waiting to go dorm. I had heard from
some of the men that Elshoff had signed a contract with the U.Iai."'., but I _
didn't know anything; more about it. The first day about ten or twelve
men went dowra, all U.I¬..;'. synpathisers. I don't know who they were. CI!
the second day, no one went down. The management wouldn't let any PJJ. L.
men go down. Falcetti did.n"'n show up at the tipple that day. Later that
day, I saw Falcetti in the office with Ploteh, Schrelevious, sirtout, Carter,
nustin, Bohannon, Hale the Jaca11o.ys, ;_lbanese, and Pasquale. they were in
the office for two or three hours, and didn't try to go down into the nine.
alter tahe TJ=Z£Ji non left the mine, and wont hone, the P.L!-.'. men began to
picket the nine. I went on the picket line to protect mys;lf, and my job,
because I wanted to. no one made me. I didn't see any men on the picket
line who weren't ffmc B non. -
"In December of 1937, I voted for P.L1.£.. at the election be-
cause I wanted that union. I went of ugr own accord, and voted the way I
wanted to. Ho one told he how to vote. {Io one contacted me about join-
ing the 11.31.-Q before going mack to work in November 1939. .
"In November of 1939, I not a notice by nail that the mine was
going to open up. My name was put on the waiting list until my room was
ready, and I wont hack to work at Hino B about s month later. t
"In the summer of 1940, Bohannon and Joe hlbanese came to my
house one day and asked me why I did.nt sign up with the U.}!.'- . so the
U.F'. . could get t e - . CY -I told them 1 didn't want to join up with v.1-1.1:. on tho day before Labor 1
Day, 1940, Bohannon and Sirtout cane to mrhouse again. T wasn't home,
but they told 1113' wife that she should get me to join the U.3.I.'T. or get
out of the mine. They cursed mu to nu: wife and said iGet him out of nine
B or we'll get rid of him.h contract with Mine B Th didn't threaten me, and
->45 - 'ZIIFZPEPI ' refused to pay the back pay to Lpril 1, which was pro-
babl" tales o. reason for the strike. The o£.t'ici=.... = oi _
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1?: JOHN L. LEEIS
II~!'1ER92IT'F? TITH "In January of 1?/~l,° ° i""'° my
room several times to ge with U-Eli.
on.inue He said I couldn't Work at the mine if I didnit sign up.
One time he shook his fist in my face and told me notto get smart, vhen I refused to join. He told me that if the men didn'tSign up vith H.M.Y£. by Jan._1'7, 1941, none of the P ' . men could Porkafter that. A day or tto later, at quitting time,bfoll0r.'ed me from
my room, but didn't do anything.
.5-,3 Janna;-3 25, 194,1, 1 vent to cork, and, While changing clothesin the mash house, I heard men screaming in the next room. I finished fchanging my clothes, picked up my bucket, and started out of the wash ;'
house. Bill Sirtout Yas changing clothes next to me, and, as I tried
to talk past him, he thref me to the floor. Another man, Tho I didnltcognize, hit me on the head. I got a cut on cw nose, and another one ab
W eye-
"I quit the mine that day, and didn't go'back around the mine.
I hevenit had any contact with the nine, or the unions, since that time,
except for voting in the election of February 1941. At that election I
voted for 7!.}-5.,-';., because I vented that union. Before I left the mine, anseveral occasionmm thile Talking; behind me, would step on
my heels, as if trying a fight.
"After 1 left the mine, I store out a complaint against Bill
Sir-tout, but the case was dismissed without my lcnovrledge. I vent toP - -rJ he asked me J. I had any proof Q
and a couple oi others Vere there. we
' v <2the States' Attorney oflice, an l .
o er !1~QMFe!1!§1 t have an_ evidence and offered u.. a att rn _,, , ,drink. I refused to take it. I had been called, and did testify before
the Grand Jury, but nothing ever came of it. The day Itas beat up, the
sheriff and his deputies 1-ere at Kine B, but did nothing to stop the
trouble. It seemed to me that the U.M.T.'. men led the sheriff and his
men aray, so they Wouldn't see anything that 1-"as going on.
"I have had the foregoing, consisting of slightly more that
5 pages, read to ne, and state that it is the truth to the best of my
knowledge. .
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Springfield, Ill."
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