[Commentary · Candace Owens] Myron Gaines x Candace Owens

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COMMENTARY by Candace Owens — "Myron Gaines x Candace Owens" (published 2026-01-16).
This is third-party opinion/analysis ABOUT State of Utah v. Tyler James Robinson — NOT the court record. It is indexed for comparison against the primary transcripts/filings. Transcript is the YouTube auto-caption track (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T39-oADLj0) — verbatim ASR.

Who do you think is the most responsible? Why would they want him gone? >> I think Charlie was not allowed to be anything but a Christian Zionist and he was changing in the last few weeks. Everything began ratcheting up after Tucker Carlson hit the stage. >> That pissed him off. >> It was like a fullcourt press effort to lie about everything. I do not like the way Turning Point is behaving. I have made that clear. And nobody is going to emotionally manipulate me and tell me to attack Turning Point would be to attack his legacy. Charlie told me years ago he was having a ton of visions and was telling me the turning point was going to be the death of him. He knew he was going to die young and strangely knew that I was going to be the only person to defend him. >> Candace, thank you for having me here. >> I'm excited and thank you for making it work on short notice. >> Of course. Of course. These are crazy times. So, I totally, you know, we got to be careful about where we're at, right? >> So, it's been a while since uh we last spoke. Last time you were on I remember we did after hours where you uh were saving a few women's lives. And I do I did want to tell you this on camera. One of the girls that you spoke to actually quit Only Fans on that day. >> Wow. It was a good conversation. I feel like a lot of people think that I guess those conversations are not worth it or the show is all theater, but for me, I want to sit across from these young women because anybody's life could have ended that way. You know what I mean? Like I I could have ended up being one of these only fan girls if there weren't so many like life interventions because it's just being sold to women so much that this is the easy way out. You know what I mean? So, >> yeah. But I wanted to make sure I told you that, you know, on camera that she literally quit like not too long after you did that uh you did that show. So that's great. Saving lives. >> So kind of with that, um I saw that you had did a debate on Jubilee with a bunch of feminists. Um obviously we're in a modern day age. Things have changed quite a bit. We've both been pretty critical of feminism. But I think with what you're doing, you know, you're able to really reach a demographic of women that just guys like me and Andrew Tate and others just aren't going to reach because, you know, we're abrasive in the way that we get it. So, they might want um, you know, another female's perspective on, you know, the detriments of feminism and everything else like that. So, kind of given how society is now, how do you see feminism today with young women? And then what do you predict is going to happen in the next 5 10 years? Are we getting better? Is it getting worse? What are your thoughts in general on that? So, I was actually very interested in Tate culture, I guess I'm going to call it. So, I'm I'm going to put you in that orbit of Tate culture. All of these male influencers that were coming out and calling girls and hoes and all this stuff. And people sat back and were like, "Oh my god, these this is horrible." Whatever. But I'm like, "Wait a second. Whatever you think about him, whatever you think about Tristan, whatever you think about Myin, this culture got very big very quickly. And there's got to be something there, right? There has to be." So, I kind of that was the reason why I flew out to meet Andrew Tate. There was all these conspiracies that I knew him before and all. I met Andrew a total of two times before I did his show. My husband hung out with him maybe three times in his life before um him and I met. He was actually friends with PJW and that's that's how I met Andrew. So we were I my husband was actually friends with PJW. >> Um and I just wanted to know what it was cuz I'm never a person that will dismiss something on its face and call it a name. Like there has to be some substance here. And what was actually happening was you got Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate and you got Myron Gaines because you perpetuated a culture of Lena Dunhams, right? So you're acting like men just got tired of it is what happened. And finally men looked around and somebody stood up and said, "It's actually okay to be a man and you don't have to listen to any of these women." Now you may not have liked how they said it. You may not have liked that they were doing this on top of Lamborghinis, but the reality is is that what sat beneath that was a horribly toxic culture where women were dictating the terms to men and every time a man did something that actually felt natural to them, you called it toxic masculinity and books were written and Lena Dunham was writing articles and there's a show about this and Lena Dunham's naked on Instagram. I wrote a whole chapter about Lena Dunham in my book and she's naked on Instagram and she's lecturing you if you don't want to see her um you know overweight naked and tatted up. So you can't blame the culture tape culture until you are ready to address where this actually came from which was women constantly bashing men over the head and telling them that masculinity full stop was wrong. given the problems that we have, you know, obviously whether it's me or Tate or other people will kind of come in and say, "Hey, this is what you need to do as a guy. You know, this is how the modern day marketplace is now when it comes to dating." What's your approach to kind of combating this problem from a female perspective? >> First, you have to understand the origin of feminism, right? Uh you have to understand that this was not a culture and an ideology that came because they wanted women to have equal rights with men. Okay? This was a CIA sponsored SCOP. Um it Gloria Steinum was sponsored by the CIA. Okay. These protests were sponsored by men in government. Um a lot of them homosexual actually. And the reason for that was simply because they wanted to tax to it was actually twofold I would say. They wanted to tax uh households household income both ways. And also they wanted women to instead of focusing on their kids which comes natural to women right to be the quote unquote like I say CEO of the household. Um they wanted to remove that and to have the children given to the government for six hours a day beyond six hours a day. Six hours a day plus whatever sports activities which gives the government full control over the minds of the children. This came straight from the pale of settlement after they assassinated the SAR. You had these Jewish women like um Emma Goldman who came over to America. Emma Goldman was the mentor to uh what's her face from Planned Parenthood. I'm blanking on her name for a moment. I'm going to say Margaret. Margaret Margaret Sanger, that was her mentor. >> And so this was in fact a very radical communist movement that came to America and sought to overthrow families, family institutions, strong men, um, feminine women, stands in the way of government and absolute control. in your book, Make Him a Sandwich, um what are some of the things that you tell the women, because I'm assuming it's a it's a book that's gonna be centered around how women can kind of get into marketplace, find a long-term partner, get married. What are some of the strategies that you imple that you uh tell women to implement to find a partner? >> You don't have to give it all away. >> No, it's fine. I don't even try in my book to sell them a strategy or a technique. I just tell the truth. So, here's the history of feminism. Here's what we were told in school. Here's actually how it went down, right? Knowledge is power. Uh, I give them the the actual statistics of the fact that what was sold to you was you were going to be just like a man and you were going to be happier. Women are actually more miserable than they've ever been. Uh, if you go back and you ask most women about their grandmothers, they remember grandma being happy, right? So, uh, what they actually sold to you, now you've achieved this equality, quote unquote equality. And women have never been more miserable. And women are popping more pills than they were popping and finding it harder to find a part partner and wondering why. Well, it's because you attacked natural masculinity. You told men that they shouldn't be allowed to lead. Women have to lead. And actually, you didn't want that, right? You um were convinced psychologically in a classroom as I was back when I wanted to be a feminist or I thought feminism was cool. And you should know that. And I think that that's how you change things without trying to say here's a strategy and here's how we're going to move forward. Let people know true knowledge. Let people know true history. And I think the rest of the stuff happens naturally or I hope >> for you on your journey. When did you like figure out that feminism was a lie? Like was there a certain event that triggered it that you were like, "Holy crap, this is this is BS." >> I actually tell the story in this book. I think I do actually. I think it's in this book or it's in my last book actually. It's in Blackout of this teacher that I had and I had was required to take a feminism 101. It was called women's studies. Uh maybe it was women's studies 2011 at the University of Rhode Island. And at that time I was like, "Yeah, I'm a feminist." Of course, who doesn't want equality as they sold it? >> Yeah. >> It gets into this classroom. And this teacher, I realized very quickly, was not actually motivated by wanting equality. She was I was in a classroom where she was trying to convince me that every problem that we had in society was due to men. This was a literal class that was designed to basically teach women to hate men. Like no matter all all you had to do to get an A was she would introduce any problem. She could have lost her keys that morning and been like, "Why did this happen? Well, you know what designed cars? You know who designed cars? Do you know who designed the whole concept of a car key and who designed the couch that you lost it in this morning? It was me. It was It became the point where for me it was like laughable. >> Yeah. >> And but there was this one particular class where it clicked for me cuz when I was in uh college, I had an eating disorder. So, I was sitting in her class and I had uh I was anorexic and she gets into this topic of of anorexia, eating disorders. And she gave us some statistic about the amount the percentage of women that have eating disorders. And I'm making this up now, but it was something like 80% of people who have eating disorders are women. And she asked the class why is that? And we were supposed to say, and she did say that it was because men control the advertising agency and men want women to be skinny. And it had literally I'm sitting here having this experience nothing to do with a man. Like nothing. No man said you're fat. You have to be skinny. That is completely made up. And I'm listening to her try to psychologically convince me that my eating disorder came from a man when it just factually didn't. Most people who suffer with anorexia know it's a control mechanism. It actually has nothing even to do with weight. It just is like this is the one thing you can control. And um I just kind of called her out on that and I raised my hand. I was like, whoa, wait a second. >> Okay. Well, let's look at another statistic. How many what percentage of people are juicing up with steroids? Right? That's not a super healthy thing to do. If we said that 90% of it was men would you have presented to the class that it was because of women, right? Because women are telling them they have to look like this. And she was uh I mean when I say she went white and she said to me, and I always tell the story on stage, she said to me, "I feel like you were sent to me from the men's department." >> Of course. >> Yeah. I told her that I told her I told her back that I was sent to her from the common sense department >> and that everything couldn't be because of men. So I think that was kind of the first time that it clicked for me that this was some sort of a psychological program. Um in many ways I was actually saved by >> How old were you at that point? You're >> I was in college so I was n 19. >> Okay. >> Yeah. It was first it was the first year of college. >> Okay. >> Uh so yeah it was a it was a prerequisite. So it was interesting for me. I think >> did that make you shift your priorities? Like >> I wasn't like I was never a gun ho feminist. I just was like in the back of my mind same way that I was liberal. Like I was never voting Democrat, but if you had asked me, "What do you think about this?" I would have very quickly been like, "Of course we need feminism." >> Uh and then I was kind of thinking, man, these women are really annoying in this classroom. Cuz then there were the majors that were there, you know, the people these women that were tatted up and like growing their armpit hair out. You know, we had those people in class and I was like, "I don't like any of these people. So it made me think that there was something more to the feminist movement. I think that which was indoctrination. >> Interesting. Okay. So I think you've been able to do what every woman dreams of. Have a family, have children, um have your dream man, but simultaneously being able to also, you know, run a business and do what you want to do. And I noticed when you were debating on um Jubilee, some of them tried to say, "Oh, well, you're a hypocrite. You're over here talking about feminism being bad, blah blah blah blah blah, but you know, you obviously have a lot of things set up where you maximize your ability to be with your family, right? You do your show, get out of there, spend time with your family. Um, what would you say to the people that sit there and try to call you a hypocrite because, you know, you're successful in your own right, but you've been able to also balance a family, which many women can't do. They want to do it, but they can't do it. What What would you your response be to those uh critics? First and foremost, do not allow people to rule you by exceptions. What I mean by that is do it is such a mistake to look at my life and to say Candace did this and so therefore I can do this. My life is actually exceptional, right? We are sitting in my house. I do things on my own terms. I wake up in the morning. I get to homeschool my kids, right? I'm homeschooling my children for hours. That's now very important to me. I get to do a podcast from home and I am actually doing something that I enjoy, right? What is the number one thing? If you find any woman that makes it and she's successful, what is she doing? She's tapping into her femininity. Communication. Women communicate more than men. I have a whole chapter on this. We if you have a daughter and a son, you know this. Women starts girls start speaking faster and we will speak more words from men for the rest of our lives. And when you actually look and I ask people in this chapter, who is the most, if I ask you the question right now, who is the most successful man in the world? Just give me your answer if you have to name a couple of them. >> Um h I was going to say like from a financial perspective >> just Yeah, sure. Full stop. If I said who's the most successful man in the world, who would you say? >> You could say like the richest guy in the world who I would be Elon even though it pains me to say that. But >> yeah, no, but that's but that's the right. You would say Elon or you would say >> something based on uh meritocracy, finances and stuff, >> you would say Jeff Bezos. Everyone would say the same answers, right? If I ask you who is the most successful woman in the world, what would you say? >> That's where it gets. Yeah, that's I see what you're saying. >> Like what is it? Like off the top of your mind like what what is what what are the names that come to your mind? >> Yeah. It's an ambiguous like you're like okay well are we going to go off career? Are we going to go off versus >> people would say like Taylor Swift or Oprah? >> These women are nowhere near the richest women in the world. Nobody knows the name of the richest woman in the world. >> And so I go about through this in my chapter. Yeah. You would say Beyonce. I'm like, these are the names that you would say off the top of your head if I asked you who's the most successful. Nobody knows. Everybody knows the names of the most uh the richest men in the world. And yet nobody knows the names of the richest women in the world. Good point, >> right? Nobody knows the names of them. Uh and the answer is a Russian woman. And I talk about this in my book. I'm like, nobody knows her name. And the women that you do name actually all tapped into their femininity. Taylor Swift was writing songs about relationships. She was writing songs about looking for love and women flocked to this. Oprah was communicating to the housewife, right? She was speaking about issues. They're tapping in actually to the one thing that actually you think they're standing against. Oh, they're the ultimate feminists. No, they tap into their femininity and found success actually. And women do not um when we think about success, we don't measure it in terms of finances. That's why these women we think are the most quote unquote successful women in the world. >> Whereas men naturally think finances. Oh, it's Jeff Bezos. It's Elon Musk. So, I I do a chapter and I speak about that in my book about who the richest woman in the world is. And then the next 10 women who are the richest in the world are all rich because of who they divorced. >> Right? So, [laughter] what is the picture that we're recognizing here? Uh we don't measure success in the same terms as men measure success. Nor should we. And it's important for women not to think that becoming financially rich somehow means that you are successful or that you have um triumphed something in life. And since having children, like how has that like shifted your priorities uh as far as I and you can go into as much detail, as little as you want, uh as far as like how you've kind of prioritized child rearing versus like maybe your career and doing social media as much because I noticed, you know, before you were super super active. You still post obviously every day, but now it's like, you know, there's you have other priorities. So, how's that kind of shifted? >> Yeah, my family is my number one priority. I would say having kids made me more secure than ever before. I just don't care about the noise. None of it matters anymore. And also, I have real stake in this fight. Before these were just ideas. America shouldn't be run like this. This is why um this is what's bad. Once you have kids, you have actually a real stake in the future of America. So, when I am podcasting, the subjects that I am covering to me are existential, right? Are we being ruled by pedophiles and criminals? That's now existential for me. um what is happening in the school systems? What is happening in these churches? What is going on? This is now existential because my children will inherit the America that I fight for or the America that I remain silent about. >> And just to kind of finish off with the feminism real quick. So, what do you think are the top three things holding women back from fulfillment and happiness right now? The number one thing I would say that's holding women back would be not understanding the history of feminism. I think I think once you know that everything like knowledge is actually power. I would say the second thing that's holding them back is the psychology of peer pressure and that is the psychology and the peer pressure starts when we are in school with women being told you have to go to college, you have to have a career. The last thing you should be thinking about, you have plenty of time. You don't actually have plenty of time biologically speaking. You literally don't have plenty of time. Men might have plenty of time biologically speaking, but your body is telling you you don't. [clears throat] Um, and >> so I think and then that kind of gets into the education. The education system truly is just Soviet propaganda in the classrooms. So those would be the top two things. And so they're ignoring their gut instinct and following um the herd. So understanding what feminism feminism is and how it came into place makes it a lot easier to understand everything else. All right, fair enough. What do you think so far about this switching politics? What do you think so far about this administration with Trump? >> Look at that. >> Good, bad, to ugly. >> Sad. Honestly, the first thing that I would say is that it makes me sad because obviously I spent a lot of time helping Trump get elected, trying to help Trump get elected and Trump is >> I see a photo right here. Yeah. >> Yeah. He's a part of my political story, right? A part of my political awakening. if you want to call it that. And it feels to me like when he said you what Epstein files, you know, are we still talking about the Epstein files? It was just like we were so close. We did everything we could and we were supposed to be fighting with Swamp and then what happened? What the Loch Ness monster, which is Israel, rose up and and swallowed our hero whole. So it makes me sad and I think we all can very clearly see what has happened on the basis of who is now supporting him. the literal never Trump movement >> is now [clears throat] supporting Trump >> and telling us that we're radicals. The people who initially supported Trump. So it's there's been a complete flip and they're trying to use this mechanism of psychology to convince us, oh, we just got here, but we noticed this rot, which is the original MAGA movement. It's completely ridiculous. Their tactics aren't working. But I think it also indicates to us that there is something very scary and sinister that is in DC, right? That turns good men like it like petrifies good men that go in maybe with the best of intentions. Um and then they see something else like what happens to these people? We don't know like where is I mean day in and day out Cash Patel and Dan were saying we're going to do this. We get to the FBI. Now they look petrified. They look petrified. Actually, there's nothing here actually to see about these Epstein files. What are you talking about? You kind of made your show off of what would need to happen with the Epstein files. So, it's sad. >> So, if you were to rate them, cuz people have asked me this question, so now you get to ask someone else. What grade would you give him right now at this point based on, you know, obviously the FC files, I agree with you. It's a huge debacle. It's going to probably be a huge um negative in his legacy at the end of the day. Mhm. >> Uh if you had to grade his presidency of so far within what we're 11 months in roughly, what would you say? >> So I would say I'm biased. So if you're asking me to grade, you know how you would have those teachers where if you you would take a test and they would automatically flunk you if you didn't put your name on the paper. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. [laughter] The Epstein thing for me is like automatic flunk if you don't put your name on the paper, right? So like it's I'm a mom now. So this was the most important thing to me was figuring out where the pedophiles are in our society. And >> that was your number one voting >> that this for me like becoming a mother because >> you have to remember Epstein and I I did a partial series a minieries on what we discovered about him. His he just got pulled through the ranks, right? Bankrupted Americans. Same thing with the Maxwell family. Bankrupted people in England um and was allowed to do this. He had absolutely no background. He was given access to children. He had an office on Harvard campus despite only having a high school diploma, which I can't even verify his high school diploma if I'm being honest with you. And we were, this was going to show us everything. He had access to Hollywood. He was working with Weinstein. He had some notorious fight with Harvey Weinstein uh right before Harvey went down. So now I'm kind of going back in my mind and thinking that's a question I should probably ask Harvey Weinstein is what they were fighting about. And he had access to models. I mean, this man was just handed the keys to Les Wexner's empire, which even how that empire started has got a shady story with a guy who said that Les Wexner was a literal devil. He was the guy who controlled Victoria Secret. He said, "This man is evil." And then suddenly that guy jumps off the Golden Gate Bridge and decides to give his company to Les Wexner. That doesn't really make sense. So, we had this rare opportunity to really understand how the matrix was put together in my view. And Trump took us to this line and then bulked. And I'm not sure why he did. Okay. I don't Maybe it's because he almost survived his assassination attempt. He survived his assassination attempt. >> Yeah. Two of them. >> Two of them. And maybe they put him in a room and said, "Here's how it's going to go." >> Mhm. >> So, I tried not I'm going to try not to judge him because I don't know what he is going through. But for me, the Epstein files was a name on the paper. >> So, um, what are your thoughts on the current news? Cuz it just resurfaced again. They're, you know, in the process right now of getting everything classified. I understand that there were a bunch of emails that came out. Um, you know, and it's bring coming back up again. I can tell because I'm seeing nothing but CNN clips on it. Anytime they they love to uh hit Trump when it comes to this Epstein thing. >> Uh, what are your thoughts on the latest information that came out recently with the emails and everything else like that? When he initially bulked on discussing Epstein and Pam Bondi did the whole crazy bit, I was told that it was because there was donors he was protecting and that makes sense to me. I have never felt and I'm a pretty good vibe person Trump's not into kids, right? >> So the nature of the emails was he at a party when at People should just think about that. People say, "Oh, they exchang like he was on his plane." Never on the island, but like was on the plane or was at a party. If you were at a I mean, you live in Miami. If you were at a party, the idea that somebody could be at any club that you are at or any party that you are at has somebody that's underage and looks like she could be 18 and that doesn't make that doesn't really track to me as any evidence of anything other than the fact um that he was at a party once and Jeffrey Epste was very clearly running uh a sophisticated network and a blackmail ring. Uh, so I don't think that whatever they have on Epstein with Trump and Epste is going to implicate Trump in any of that stuff. Yeah. >> And I've been around him. It just Trump has a type and I I have never felt that vibe from him at all. >> But I do think he's protecting um some of his owners. I do believe that cuz they I look at them and they just creep me out. And he took a lot of money from Miriam Adlesen, the Aden family, hundreds of millions of dollars from Miriam Aden. And I think that's kind of the beginning of everything. So when they started leaking these emails, I read it as like a public threat to him. Maybe they're arguing about something in the background and he's holding a line on something. So they because they obviously have all the Epstein stuff. He that he was their blackmail guy, you know, and so if people don't listen, they probably do a little trickle. That's how I read it. I read it as like a public threat and they want something from him and they're going to be like capitulate or we will hit you with everything they have and we need to have a leader that says just comes right out in a press conference and says they have this about me. They've been threatening me with it. I'm going to tell them to release everything and I'm going to hold the line. People would cheer. People would cheer. I wouldn't we wouldn't even care. We be like okay like as long as you're not implicated in harming children, right? Uh, I can deal with you being at a party that Epstein was at and finding out that whatever it is that they have on you. That's my that's my gut instinct about the whole thing. >> Yeah. No, I I I agree with you that I think I I don't he doesn't give me the the vibe that he's like a, you know, doing that type of thing with children. Um, but I do think that maybe there's something in there that looks really bad optically and that's might be why or to protect donors like you said cuz I look at it like if there was something really bad like that, the Democrats would have exposed that during the B administration if there really was. So, you know, that's that's another thing as well. >> All right, you guys. If your credit card balance is freaking you out after all of the holiday spending, I have something that can save you money right now. 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[laughter] Um, can you kind of take me through that day of what happened when um because I remember you had been in Miami for a bit and then I think you might have went back uh to Daily Wire for like a day or two and then they said, "Hey, we're going to get rid of you, blah blah blah." Can you kind of take me through how that all transpired and how you've been able to kind of use that cancellation from their perspective to just utterly destroy them and flip the roles? >> So, gosh, I was fired in what was it? March of 2024 and I obviously was very surprised about it. I did not know it was coming. I was look, even if I sensed it was coming, I would have never have thought that it would have happened in the way that it happened. I would have thought that we would do everything that we can to keep things friendly. I mean, you don't want to work for any company. It's just unprofessional to want to work to dedicate years of your life to any company and not have things even if they're not on great terms, you still want to make it as peaceful as possible. >> TMZ reported, I have to ask you this because I've always been want to ask you this. They reported that the reason, one of the reasons why they wanted to get rid of you is because you did the show with us and when we talked about Jews, we hit the sound effect, the chuch-ching sound effect and that I guess that infuriated Ben Shapiro. Is that true or >> I know that I know where that leak came from. >> Okay. >> And it it came gosh, am I allowed to say anything about this? She no longer works for the Daily Wire and I think she was behind that leak. [laughter] >> Yeah. So, she no longer works for the Daily Wire. So that was interesting. I can neither confirm or deny whether or not that is true. >> Okay. >> Uh but what I will say is I would have never expected that sort of a PR. I mean it was just it's just the opposite of the way that I am. I mean I've worked with several companies. I worked with Prageru. I have obviously very a lot of disagreements with them now. But I had a very peaceful working relationship with them. They were they treated me fantastically. I've said this a thousand times. Like when I think about them now and what their contributions are to what we're fighting, like I could never go back and say like one bad word about how they treated me. They were they were really good employers and very communicative. I never had an issue. I mean, I think my contract with Prageru was like two pages. I'm not even kidding. It was crazy. She did I Marissa never even wanted to talk about contract. She's like, if we ever have to talk about the contract, she was like, you should probably leave cuz like I don't want you here if you're not happy. Yeah. >> Um obviously had a very great relationship with Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA. So I for me having never had any sort of a tobacco ever in my life um in terms of working for people it was it was new it was global there was so much happening and I didn't know if we were going to survive it genuinely my husband and I it felt like you are just it's like trench warfare you're every move you're not even thinking about the implications it's like I just have to put one foot in front of the other and fight fight fight and I Um I I first and for just grateful to God, grateful to God that my husband was just rock solid. I think if my husband had shown even a fraction of apprehension, fear, anything, I probably would have come apart. And this again gets back to the importance of marriage cuz there there are things that men are designed to deal with. women are designed. Like I I was good on the on the psychology games of what they were trying to do, but in terms of just getting down in and building the infrastructure and like, okay, we need to rebuild the podcast. We got to do this. We got to figure this out. We laugh now. Um I mean, even cuz my team came with me, which was something that was also a huge blessing. I'm so grateful to my team cuz I went to them and I was like, I don't know if this is going to work. We can't offer you health insurance. We have we have nothing. So if you leave the comfort of where you are, you are taking a risk and we don't know where this thing is going to end. And also we're like being banned from society. So the chances of this podcast working when we're banned from everywhere. Uh even YouTube demonetized us, it was slim to none. And they took they were just like we're we're coming with you. So >> to look back on that, it's just a tremendous amount of gratitude and appreciation for the audience, my team, and first and foremost, my husband, you know. So he helped you through that through that process cuz yeah I remember like it was all over the place and you know obviously there was enormous amount of pressure but you were able to use that to your favor. You get let go from Daily Wire. You start up your own thing and you know obviously this topic is a very controversial topic when it comes to Zionism, Jewish power and these other things. Um and it led to some things. What is what redpilled you on this topic that made you say I got to speak up even though this is a very taboo topic. you could get, you know, like you said, deal with demonetization, cancellation, losing an employer. What made you say, "I got to speak up on this." >> I want to get into heaven. And I think people don't realize that that's real. Like, I think people who are atheists don't understand that a part of this whole psych operation was to make you an atheist. Because if you knew for certain that when you die there is more, which there is, you would be living your life differently, right? You want I want to get into heaven. And so at the very moment that I know anything is true, I can't tell a lie, right? So when I was working as and giving the example again for Prageru, I genuinely first off wasn't up on the topic of Israel. It wasn't kind of a common discussion. There was no pressure on me to get out there and say things that are pro- Israel. I just genuinely believed it in the same way that I tell people Charlie Kirk just believed it. There was nothing. There's no conspiracy. He just was like, "Yeah, Israel. I'm a Christian and uh obviously Israel has biblical um connotations and so I I'm I support Israel almost like it's like periphery." >> Yeah. It's like when you're in the default setting literally. Yeah. In the factory setting and people who who attack that and assume that everyone's on an agenda should stop doing that. >> At the moment that it kind of became a and I would say after October 7th they were kind of demanding that you take a side. I watched Bassam Yousef. This this was truly the mental turning point for me. He went on to Piers Morgan and it went viral and he held up this paper where he showed how many deaths there were every year of Palestinians versus Israelis and I I will never unsee that. And he was being totally a jackass about it was just kind of using humor which is the best tool and being like so what's the equation of how many lives are worth? So I'm going, okay, so I'm supposed to believe these are the evil people, but this is how many people. And then I had Norm Finkelestein on my show at the Daily Wire because I was like, let me go to someone who actually is not an anti-semite, right? His parents survived the Holocaust and he's a professor who was denied tenure for a ridiculous reason because he's committed to telling the truth about Gaza and he wrote so many books on it. And that to me was like, wow. So that like red pill you on the topic like seeing the deaths and everything cuz no one ever sees like the Palestinian perspective cuz it's like almost like in America well especially if you're a conservative the default setting is we support Israel unequivocally every single time and you never even hear the other perspective. So uh and I've said that too like October 7th kind of opened up this discussion whereas like I remember before it like if you talked about it you would get demonetized banned. That's what got me demonetized was was that topic especially before October 7th. So you start talking about it. I remember you had debated uh a rabbi I forget I can't remember his name >> a couple of them rabbi there was Rabbi Schmoolie and then there was that idiot >> who was oh gosh I got I have to remember his name he was my favorite Candice [laughter] this is the worst anti-semitism he actually was lowkey my favorite cuz he was so over the top [laughter] >> he was so over the top and he was like you can't even say what was it witches Skyler what was the name of that rabbi Barlay Rabbi Barlay that was his name >> and I think that was one of your last um debates you did on Daily Wire, too. I think you were still on the Daily Wire there. Did Ben ever like have a conversation with you about this? If you could disclose it, like he just like never talked to you in person about this. He just like trashed you at >> cuz I remember seeing a clip of him like at some type of social gathering like late in the year of that year saying, "Oh yeah, I think what she's doing is, you know, despicable, blah, blah, blah." But he had never had a conversation with you. >> No. And after that, we never had a conversation. >> Wow. So that was that happened and that's uh we never had a private we never had a conversation after that. So >> So he didn't even have the decency to like figure out hey you know what's going on here have a conversation. You're just like >> I tried uh it never happened. So >> Wow. Okay. Um so so you got banned from Australia, [laughter] >> right? you got banned from Australia and >> a gangster and I was like you know >> super bad >> cuz I I tal people try to tell me like um you know because I talk about world jewelry being a thing and how you know it's a international cabal that works together you know for the betterment of of Israel and they're located all across the world and I use that example of how they got you literally banned in Australia even though they represent like 2% of the population. How did that even happen? Like how did you get notified like yeah how'd that even come about? I was gonna tour in Australia and the Zionist lobby found out and they publicly posted it was like the Zionist organization of Australia. Maybe it was Zoa publicly posted this thing >> like they're equivalent of Apac, right? Essentially. >> Yeah. It's another Apac. There's so many of Zionist organizations. And I will say on the conservative like side of Australia, the Jewish conservatives did also write a letter in support of me saying like we disagree with her, but she should be allowed to speak. But they were effectively the ADL and they posted this thing and publicly said that I should not be allowed in. My my rhetoric was dangerous. They lied and said that I said that Jews what did they say that I said that Jews drink the blood of children which was it's just like completely >> it was unbelievable. I mean the way that that came about was me liking a tweet literally a like of a tweet of a person who called out Rabbi Schmoolie and said Rabbi had told a huge lie about me. So they were replying to Rabbi Schmoolie and said you didn't include that she and then like told the truth about what I said and then they ended their thing with are you drunk on Christian blood again. So me liking this tweet they went full they went full media press C. I just unbelievable. Candace says I'm like are you kidding me? It was so obvious why I liked this tweet. Like this person debunked Rabbi Mo's lie. But this is how they lie. This is how they lie. >> Um >> and they take everything literal litally or whatever. Oh, look at you. Vile anti-semite. >> Yeah. And I'm like obviously I like this because he defended like he pointed out that Rabbi really told a ridiculous lie that had nothing to do with anything. >> Yeah. He said that I my followers threatened to kill him or something. Something very serious. And he was like, "You're showing this inbox." >> Did he sue? Didn't he try to sue you for that? >> No, he threatened to sue. >> And so yeah, it was quite a time. But they successfully got me banned. I've never been in trouble, nothing. and they decided that I am too dangerous to speak in their country. So that I still think and this has been my belief everything that is happening God wants to happen. So when that happened it was because Australians needed to understand something about their country >> because people who didn't like me who didn't support me or weren't conservative in their country kind of looked up and went this like mom of four being banned from our country. No matter what I think about her, I certainly don't think she's a threat, that she shouldn't be allowed in. Like she and we've got literally people who have been accused of murder, people who have violated their visas in other countries, people that rap about murder are allowed in here. And you're telling me she's saying something that's so dangerous and it I think contributed to pe more people listening to my podcast. What is she saying? So I do feel we are in this time where the more that they lie it rebounds very quickly onto them and it creates more pressure against them and they can't stop lying. So >> yeah, cuz you you can never lie once, right? Like they always say when you lie once, then you have to keep lying to perpetuate that same lie, >> right? >> So New Zealand also banned you, right? And then you were able to get How did you go about uh being allowed to come back to New Zealand? Did they write a petition or how? >> Actually, no, actually their person So they have a reciprocal system, which is weird, but if Australia bans you, you get automatically banned in in New Zealand. So New Zealand didn't actually ban me. Tony Burke in Australia banned me and they have some weird reciprocal system. Then when they found out their minister and his name was was Chris something I should remember it was like I'm just against this and he reversed it. >> Gotcha. He had the power to reverse it. So New Zealand actually stood firm on on free speech. >> I didn't know that. So like basically when one party does something the other one kind of reciprocates it. But they do have some type of veto power. What other ways I guess has the Zionist lobby came after you? I've seen ADL articles. I've seen SPLC right. They target me too. >> Oh gosh it was everything. It was everything. They >> did they allow to get you demonetized on YouTube too? >> Absolutely. That came from the awesome Jew. >> Yep. >> Uh the awesome Jew who was in attendance by the way when Charlie got peer pressure in the Hamptons >> and yeah was just a full court. They were like just start report mass reporting her for violence and violent rhetoric and they did that and then I got I had no strikes and then I went to all strikes overnight and [clears throat] YouTube demonetized us. We were demonetized for 6 months. I think >> it was like September maybe it was 4 months and so that was you can't make any money on YouTube. So we had to then >> yeah we had to then build our own website which we did. So what it [clears throat] forces you to do is kind of to become your own power center right if you ban people everywhere and you say you can't you know you're not allowed to fight in this realm we're going to start building our own realms. And I think they're learning that lesson is that there seems to be the opposite thing that's happening. So they yeah they would attack us on YouTube. They obviously got petitioned to get me fired, banned from Australia. They went after like my family members obviously. They tried to pretend that there was all this friction between me and my husband's father and that could not be further from the truth. Uh he I love my husband's family. They they have always treated me very well. But they wanted that narrative out there because it was part of the cancellation is even the her own family hates her. >> No, we have different viewpoints. People can support Israel, people can not support Israel. You don't marry into ideas. >> Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course. Nothing wrong with having disagreements, >> right? And I just think whatever what else they attacked, it's it's just it's been non-stop. And then of course the lawsuits, you know, non-stop legal law. >> So right now, um you know, between you, Tucker, Nick, uh they're attacking all three of you guys saying, "Oh, you guys are anti-semites and you guys are pushing this whole thing." thing and I and I give credit because you three have done an incredible job of, you know, awareing the American public on this topic uh when it comes to Israel's control of the Middle East, what they're doing over there, how they've been able to get away with this for so long, killing people and no one knowing and you know, they've been targeting you guys quite a bit. Uh, and I see that, you know, there's been a bunch of drama with Megan Kelly and Ben Shapiro and everything else like that. What are your thoughts on the entire on on the situation? Cuz like you know anytime they mention Tucker, you were right there, right? When it comes to the criticism of Israel. >> Yeah. Even BBnet and Yahoo namechecking us was crazy on the Tik Tok thing and why they needed to buy Tik Tok. They're letting you know this is a psychological operation. That's what they're telling you. They've gone masked down and it just they they've just come more inward. I have no idea why they kept attaching you to Tucker Carlson. They wanted both of us gone and they >> Mark loves you. >> They Yeah, I know. [laughter] They forcefired Tucker. They forcefired me. And then they realized, oh, we don't we can't control them. And we started having to build our own power centers. And they didn't like that. >> Made you guys bigger. >> Exactly. So, and then with the Nick Fuentes thing, I promise you, I had never heard the Nick Fuentes backstory until after I was fired from Daily Wire. There was this Twitter audio or ex audio space that he did with Jeremy Boring, who at that time was the CEO of Daily Wire. And I heard the back story. I was like, "This is insane." Like, "What happened to him?" Nobody can look at that backstory of what happened to him and not realize that it was just evil. >> They did everything they can to contain him. It's ridiculous. >> This is like he he was had his life ahead of him. And so, you kind of root you root for that. You're like, "No matter how I feel about him, I root for him against the Zionist lobby." And this rule that you can't speak to Nick. Why can't I speak to Nick? Can't my audience decide whether or not they want to listen to him? There's this false idea of platforming him that somehow that's going to be harmful and you you can't platform him. If I platform him and Nick seems likable, right, and then he goes on his show and he says horrific things and my listeners then go over to his show, they're not going to keep listening to Nick. Yeah. >> They're actually then going to have questions about me. >> Yeah. Let the people decide. >> Let the people decide. You don't get to think for people. There's no such thing as platforming ideas. If people are following that idea, that is on the people. Um, and they are smart enough to make their own decisions. I don't need to tell people to listen to Nick, to not listen to Nick, to platform Nick, to not platform Nick. If I want to talk to Nick, I'll talk to Nick. If I don't want to talk to Nick, I don't talk to Nick. And there's something about the true free markets that Zionists can't stand. They're constantly manipulating the markets so that people think that they are number one, and they're not. They actually require censorship in order for them to be number one. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's their game. and and you know I seeing Ben Shapiro have a meltdown and you know they had the Republican Jewish coalition a couple weeks ago and just saying like oh these people are platforming whatever I find it interesting how like they never like cuz when you guys if you actually listen to the interviews that you guys do a lot of the times it's like oh this makes perfect sense I understand like why you have this worldview they never criticize what you guys talk about right they always criticize you guys directly saying they're pushing anti-semitism what are they saying that's anti-semitic oh well it's just anti-semitic and they don't even want to have the discussion to debate the truth for anything. Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz when you hear Nick Fentes's backtory, it's compelling. It just is. I was compelled when I heard it. I actually haven't gotten around to watching his interview with Tucker. It's on my to-do list this weekend, but I'm assuming he told his backstory. And then people look at it and go, "What is up with the Zionist lobby that they're going after 18-year-old kids for questioning Israel?" That's actually what they're fearful of is people understanding just how long this has been going on. uh how vicious it is that it will even go after an 18-year-old who's just asking questions literally. And yeah, I think that's what it is. It's the mass awakening that's happening. >> Yeah. No, and and you know, I credit you, Tucker, Nick, some of the biggest voices in it, like waking people up to this problem that we've had for so long, right? I mean, it got us into wars. And I do think that we're making an impact on it because when I remember when Trump bombed Iran, he had a lot of pressure on him not to do it, right? and he was like kind of going back and forth. I know Steve Bannon had like went to the White House and told him don't do it or at least push it off a little bit and he bombed him and then he ended it there, [clears throat] right? Who knows if you know if he didn't have that pressure from his base to not go to war if he had would have expanded the conflict cuz we know Israel wanted to, right? If this was like 2003, who knows if we would have just gone into like a full-on war. But I think big voices in social media that we didn't have back in 03 were able to kind of pressure like, "Hey, you we voted for no wars like and then it kind of forced them to be like I want to keep the base. All right, just bomb them and get out of here. Because that was even very unpopular. >> And then you saw the neocons go, oh, you were you were panickins. It was just going to be in the whole time you guys were just panicking and it was just one response. You thought there was going to be a broader war. And John Miller put it quite succinctly on he tweeted and he said, "No, it's because we panicked and freaked out that this didn't happen." This is like saying robbers outside trying to rob your house. Your dogs start barking and the robber goes away and they're like, "Oh, you were just panicking." It's like, no, it's because the dogs were barking that this thing didn't happen. So, no, every time we you are, which by the way, he still wants he still wants his war with Iran. They still want a regime change in Iran. And we have to continue to bark and continue to say that it's not okay. And it worked because we held the line on it and use our platforms to say this is like this is the red line. >> Yeah. No wars. And and he he literally was very ambiguous about it for days. So, and I think a big part of that is from all the pressure from his base with people that have big platforms. And this is kind of a beautiful thing where we have with alternative media cuz I remember and you you remember too are right around the same age. The Iraq war there was no descent. We're going and nobody cares and we don't you know there was no no one else talking about it. The news was super pro war. 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So they he somebody on his team reached out to me cuz they thought that I would be the only person that would look at this fairly >> which is interesting because obviously he and I and he's gave millions to the ADL. You know what I'm saying? >> So we were this very unlikely duo and I thought he was guilty. I thought there had to have been some guilt. I mean there were so many women that were coming out. But this is how the media is effective at psychology is that they know if they say something over and over again it becomes true. And actually I realized I didn't know anything about the case. And when I took a look at it I was shocked. There is no question that Harvey Weinstein should not be in prison right now. And that >> that's the definition of me too right there. >> Yeah, they took him out. >> Yeah. >> Who took him out, why they took him out, that part still is not clear to me. But it should terrify any woman, especially me who has three sons that they can do that. I think me too, what it represented was hostile takeovers of comp of companies. That's kind of a theme, right? If you start to go back, you look at from Michael Jackson to Kanye to Britney Spears, these are hostile takeovers of companies. And I think me too was a proliferation where they hostily took over a bunch of companies. And that's that's my instinct about it. And he was big. So maybe he wasn't playing ball. I actually do now have it on my mind that I want to ask him about this argument he had with Jeffrey Epsteine that I learned about. [snorts] I was very passionate about just telling the truth cuz the me too movement is problematic. I like have a real investment in this. I have sons. So I don't care what people think or need to think. I'm not voting for him be my husband. I'm not voting for him to be the president of the United States. I'm not voting for him to be my pastor. I'm telling you that he was accused of something and the media completely lied to you about the circumstances. And it should terrify you because it means that our courts are corrupted. And they are. We know that. We know our courts are corrupted. Why? Maybe through the same system of blackmail. You've got judge, they've got judges in their pockets, but there is um that's a part of the matrix. The court system is a part of it. >> And I give you credit because, you know, you've uh you're very brave for doing that because just like with the George Floyd documentary that you did, which was going against the grain, right? Uh a lot of people gave you, you know, slack for that like, oh, why are you interviewing this, you know, pervert and why are you going ahead and, you know, trying to destroy the legacy of George Floyd? So, you know, I give you a lot of credit for like cuz I do think that this whole like, you know, me too situation and false accusations. It's very real. It matters. You know, athletes and professionals are constantly getting accused of stuff. I mean, we can look at what's going on with Andrew Tate where, you know, it's like every other month, you know, something is getting dropped or a lawsuit is being dropped here or they're finding out that this woman lied here or the there was a I think a pro soccer player that recently got out after having his life destroyed. So, >> like this me too thing is a huge problem in the in the Western world. Um, so let me ask you this w with uh Charlie Kirk because uh you're definitely one of the most outspoken people um when it comes to the Charlie Kirk investigation and what's going on there. Obviously you knew him personally. You guys have worked together for many years. Um I'll kind of just turn it to you and you can just tell me cuz you've been looking at this for a while now. It's almost two Yeah, it's over two months now. Um can you take us through what you think happened on that day? What led you to believe that? and uh the timeline in general and who you think is actually responsible uh you know who might be covering things up and everything like that. >> Yeah. So I can tell you that I view the Charlie Crick assassination as a military hit. I do not know who called the hit yet, but it's it's military. There's no question in my mind that it was a military. Well, I think I don't view the US military as being controlled by the US. I mean there's there are a lot of people you can we've been globalized for a very long time. Um I don't know that there's a difference in there's decisions that are made in Ukraine for America. I mean this is the tentacles of the US military >> um is a much broader and longer conversation that needs to be had. I mean I think since JFK was assassin I don't know who's in control of anything right? Much of what we see in the political realm is just an illusion. We're talking about what's happening in Congress and decisions are made in boardrooms. In my view with Charlie, I think that with everything that I have uncovered, there was very clearly an a faith infiltration that happened. And I'm I'm putting faith in quotation marks because Charlie would have believed the people that came to him and told him to grow the organization and, you know, to become the boots on the ground for faith. He cared very deeply about his faith and the characters, the cast of characters and the pastors that are are around him rotten, like very rotten. The McCoys, Rob McCoy, unbelievably rotten. And I've been covering a lot with him. And what it's looking like is that that Calvary Chapel uh has been accused of tons in the past and also accused of hostily taking over uh well-meaning faith organizations and ministries. Uh with Rob McCoy at the center of these of some of these scandals, it's looking to me like Turning Point's apparatus provided an opportunity. Now, who they're actually working for, what they're actually doing, I don't know. But I can tell you it is not about Jesus Christ. Okay. >> Okay. >> And this would explain why for some unknown reason Christian Zionist influencers have been losing their minds about the idea of investigating the Charlie Kirk assassination. It's odd. Like I looked up and I'm going, why are Christian Zionists trying to use Bible verses to say that we shouldn't question anything? I mean, everybody knows you were a cop. The first thing you do when there's been a murder is to look around at the money, the finances, and the people around him. Common sense. Common sense. Like, and then you pair that with the actual impossible things that they are telling us. It was a Christian miracle. His neck just stopped a 30 odd six from 150 yards away. It was a It was just your your modern Christian miracle. You know, that's fed slop, but it's worse than that. It's Christian slop. People using the Bible to psychologically convince you. You know, there Jesus performed miracles, and this was just one of them. Charlie loved his faith. They're lying about weird stuff. I I I consider it a clue that they are lying about where Charlie was at in terms of his faith journey. They lied about the Hampton Summit. They um lied about the fact that he had said, "I have no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause." I just watched them all lie because I needed to see where all the stakes were. These are weird lies. >> Yeah. >> The one thing that connects all of these lies is faith. So that's where the focus of my investigation is right now. And I'm coming up looking and going, "All of these characters are dirty that were around him. So, you're not going to hold up a Bible like a false prophet and tell me not to look here or else I'm going to be condemned to hell. Because let me tell you how the Bible works, okay? Christ is king. What that means is truth is king. And if anybody is using the Bible to tell you not to pursue truth, you are dealing with somebody who is manipulating you. >> Who do you think I guess I know you said the people around them, but who do you think is the most responsible? Why would they want him gone? I think Charlie was not allowed to be anything but a Christian Zionist. Um, and he was changing in the last few weeks. I when I look at the timeline that I put together, some weird stuff, this Egyptian plane that was started tracking him began everything began ratcheting up after Tucker Carlson hit the stage. Uh, and >> in July, I was there for that. Yeah. Yeah. >> That was that pissed him off. >> That was a something. Yeah. >> So, I I think Charlie was done as he as Megan showed the video. He was telling Tucker to go Max. All the things that they lied about, we've now proven. And why were they lying about it? That's why this is the thing. Why lie if you have nothing to cover up? That's my common sense here. You only lie because you have something to cover up. No matter no matter what the lie is is, you only lie because there's something that you're hiding. So if they had all come out right when Charlie died, if Seth Dylan, who pressed Charlie in the Hamptons, was like, "Oh my gosh, my biggest regret is the last time I saw Charlie, I was being such a jerk about the Israel. It was so stupid and this is a reminder that you never know when you're going to see somebody last." It would have been like, "Oh, okay. Nothing to see here." It was like a fullcourt press effort to lie about everything. Josh Hammer, he never blinked on Israel. He was on the text message chain where Charlie said 48 hours before he died that he was done with the proatio cause. Why lie? That's my question. And I don't like the silence from Turning Point employees. I know for a fact one of them, I'm not going to name has a text message from Charlie the day before he died saying, "They are going to kill me." >> Wow. >> Now, he was not referring to the trans lobby when he wrote that message. >> Yeah. >> So, why not present if you are his friend and you're interested in the truth, why wouldn't you tell the public that? Wouldn't you just come right out to the public and say, "Hey, I don't know what happened, but like Charlie thought they were going to kill him. I I I do not like the way Turning Point is behaving. I've made that clear and nobody is going to emotionally manipulate me and tell me that it's all good now. And to attack Turning Point would be to attack his legacy." >> Mhm. >> Charlie told me years ago that he had which I shared the messages he was having a ton of visions and was telling me that he Turning Point was going to be the death of him. He knew he was going to die young and strangely knew that I was going to be the only person to defend him. Right. >> I showed the messages. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I showed the message to say it was fake and you pulled it up and Yeah, >> it's it's it's we're here. We're here now and I'm going to defend him. I'm going to figure out what happened. >> What are your thoughts on um how Erica Kirk has been dealing with this and some of the people that are close to him um his manager uh Mike and all them like do you think they're just playing a role? Do you think they're involved? What are your thoughts on them in general? some of the people in his closest circle. >> It is obvious to me that Mikey McCoy was the person that they wanted to launch as the new Charlie. That's very obvious. The way they brought his YouTube channel back with a speech from Mikey and everyone was kind of trying to soft sell Mikey to us and was like, who's this kid who's a you're 23? Why are you the chief of staff of anything? You didn't go to college. Who are you actually? And you're brought in by Rob, your dad, who is dirty. I mean, very dirty guy. I covered more of that yesterday. um he just gives me the sleeves and the ick and it just is very strange that they I felt like they tried to manipulate us into accepting this almost like they had like Mikey's going to be this person then we see Mikey he's a hero and he just walks away right after somebody like that doesn't make any sense to me and um yeah you know with Erica a lot of people on the internet have been going into her past going into her parents' past and you know just speaking about these things >> defense contractors, parents, stuff like that. >> Yeah, I've seen all of that. I respond to that on my show. And what I've said to everybody is I'm starting with what happened on that day, what happened leading up to his um assassination. And the people that catch my attention are people who are telling verifiable lies. Okay? Erica thus far has not told any verifiable lies. She did not lie about the fact that he had uh St. Michael on him when he died. So, there's two things. She could be on autopilot and some people could be reading that the wrong way and thinking, "Oh, well, she's like, she's not acting right." Okay, is she on autopilot because she fears something, right? Again, we don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but you have to have some level of fear. If you watch somebody get assassinated, I don't know. I just I just don't know. Yeah. >> And so people have been upset with me for not going, you know, down the rabbit hole on my show about Erica's parents. People's parents are people's parents. They haven't yet come up in my investigation. If I find out that her parents were involved and then then it's going to catch my invest and there's nobody that will be spared once they come up, once they tell a lie, once they I come across something. I just literally have not come across anything with Frank Turk. Also, I haven't come across anything with Erica in my investigation. So, >> um, the shooter, uh, or the alleged shooter, you think they're a pathy? >> Of course. I mean, come on. This was so dumb. It's so He wasn't even on campus that day. They can't show us one clear image. Not even one. All of these cameras. Turning Point has everything in 4K. So, shouldn't you have caught the shooter on the roof in 4K? Like, you had cameras everywhere that day. Every inch of that. >> Someone else that was running across wasn't >> Tyler. Absolutely. someone that just sprinted. I don't even know if there was a person that sprinted that day because everyone's forgetting. There was also a news report that came out a week before that somebody was on the roof and a professor came out and waved the person. Now, they may have been dropping off a gun, dropping off the screwdriver. I don't know >> cuz there was one video like one of the students had person who took that video that I had to track down. Okay. >> Military. >> Really? >> Everybody's military in the story. >> Really? So the person that captured that cuz I remember when it first broke out that cell phone footage got released where the shot goes off and for some odd reason he's looking at the roof and you see like a little speck running on the top. So that person that took that video was military >> military. I got in touch with the person and they didn't put up it didn't put the video up themselves. I had to go through three people. I'm like so I'm supposed to believe you're like a college kid and you have nothing to do with anything. You just decided to randomly like be like oh I got this video but I'm going to send it through three people to have it released. Interesting. And also the Lozi building where the shot definitely did not come from is the only place on campus that houses I believe on the third floor according to my source like the military something is is in the Loy building. So there's a lot happening uh that all of that was just a show to mask who the real shooter was. I think it's way more likely that the shooter was in the audience or uh to the side of the audience. I think that's more that's the more likely story because he wasn't shot with a 3006 first and foremost. And the bullet did not destroy his neck. I know that for a fact. And he actually uh >> Yeah. 306 throws everybody off. Like >> But that was their plan. Yeah. >> Until I accidentally, which I didn't even process it at the time, revealed that the bullet didn't go through. >> Yeah. >> And then they kind of were like, "Oh, it was just a miracle." Actually, >> it was another 3 odd text. >> Yeah. The text messages are a bit strange, too. And you know, this whole situation, like I wish the government was being a bit more transparent because this has an incredible amount of public interest. So, it's like, look, dude, you guys probably should be more transparent on this cuz government trust is down at its lowest >> when it comes to people trusting law enforcement, whatever. What are your thoughts on um how the FBI and the state police are handling this in general? Because I know you've been >> I think what's way more important is trusting Alexis Wilkins as a sensational singer and the people [laughter] like careful, she might sue you. >> And I don't want to talk about like the feds right now. Like they're doing what they have to. The more important thing is that this sensational country singer is left alone. We are just not a serious nation. I mean, I think if Putin's FBI director or put that out, he would just Putin would just quietly have him assassinated or something. I don't know. Uh but we are just not a serious nation. That is just they are tweeting like girls on TikTok right now. And it's embarrassing. It is so embarrassing. He should have been forced to resign. Trump should have made him resign. We're embarrassing us because uh there's no way Putin's not laughing with his homies right now about that tweet. My girlfriend, my life partner. >> Yeah, >> we are. >> She sued a bunch of people. It's crazy. >> Crazy. >> Yeah. >> And obviously with his blessing. Obviously with his blessing. Or you would say, "Hey honey, not now, right? This is a bad time. This is a bad time. I've got to be taken as a serious man >> optically." Yeah. >> Yeah. And of course, the opposite thing happens now where everyone's now calling her honeypot. And so, what's she gonna do? Like whack-a-ole? Just sue everybody on the internet who's making a joke? Sue Tim Dylan or something? >> Absolutely nuts. Um, so it'd be fair to say, so you don't believe the official nerve and I and I do agree with you. There's a lot of problems with it, right? Between a 306. >> Why don't we have the full footage of him taking the shot, then running off? You only showing him running. Um, the text messages are strange. >> They don't even show us him taking a shot. Seems like a pretty easy thing to do. that that's one of my biggest issues is they didn't show him taking a shot, but they have him running across the roof. So, it's like how do you not have him prone shooting the shot? So, I guess and I know you're still investigating and figuring everything out, but >> if you could kind of give me a quick summary, what do you think transpired in that day? Who do you think's responsible? Maybe a rough timeline. I know you're still filling parts in, but from what you have so far, what do you think? This is a guess and this is just like if I had to guess right now where I'm at and this I I think Tyler Robinson's only contribution was that he had his prints on the gun. I know that he his prints were not the only prints that were on the gun which is something that they haven't been honest about. >> I would suspect that his driver on that too and stuff. >> Yeah, I think Lance Twigs is much more involved. I don't think he took the shot either but I think he's more involved. I think that Tyler Robinson's all these people that were involved that day got swept up in pedophile stuff from George Zinn uh the guy that cheered his father's also a pedophile. The guy next I mean the whole thing is like it was an operation with blackmailed people. >> The Zen guy was at 911 too. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean just unbelievable. And again more of a marker that this was like a blackmail operation. Also Zen told a nurse that he was being paid. He didn't know how he was going to be paid for doing that after. So he was supposed to be another psy and >> yeah cuz it was like immediate like he got like when this broke out he got arrested and he was like it was out in the like immediately >> multiple people involved that day. One person maybe just supposed to run across the rooftop. Uh another I think Tyler Robinson all his job was to pick up clothes. I think literally he didn't step foot on campus that day and his job was to get rid of the clothes next to the Dairy Queen into some cemetery which I broke and the FBI is not disputed but they decided to monitor the Dairy Queen afterwards and send some feds there and uh yeah so his role was to pick up clothes. I think Lance is actually the one that's walking um in the backpack and but >> oh the TMZ footage >> Maroon. Yep. I think I think that's Lance and I don't know who was walking up the stairs. I think that's a whole different person cuz they don't even look like they have the same body. >> Okay. >> And yeah, that's how you do a nice better operation. You got a bunch of psies doing different roles and >> they didn't show us the video of the stair of the stairway footage either, which is another thing that's strange. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, no, I mean I I see your there there's a lot of you know and I said it before they've created more questions than answers. Right. >> Right. Which is obviously the the problem here. But um but I know we're short for time here. So I'll just uh Yeah. Where can people find you? >> I mean everywhere. >> Yeah. You're everywhere. >> Yeah. at your >> congratulations on the mobile court house, your local courthouse being sued. If you'd like to find me uh your local news station being called anti-semite. >> Oh, one last thing. Do you think cuz I know Turning Point, they had said something about we're going to go after anyone that's saying anything. Have they like reached out to you at all or contacted you cuz you're probably one of the most outspoken critic of what's going on with this investigation. >> Happy to have any person at Turning Point on my show to discuss anything that I'm saying, to make any corrections about anything that I'm saying. Um they can make a statement for all I care. I'm not gonna stop investigating this until we're told something that makes sense, makes rational sense. And uh you're not gonna tell me like you do with Israel that I'll get into heaven if I just ignore how Charlie Kirk was killed. Like we're not going to do we're not going to play that game. So say something that makes sense or you have an enemy of me. That's pretty much it. And if you didn't want people prying into this narrative, maybe you shouldn't have executed him publicly. Yeah. Maybe you should have pretend he choked on an egg or something like you did with that that uh rapper a long while back when you started asking questions about things. Not a good idea to get everyone emotionally invested in the story and then to tell them to shut off their emotions. >> No, I mean you've been doing an incredible job of putting a lot of pressure on them, right? Uh so hopefully we, you know, get answers here because what they have out right now just simply doesn't make sense. So >> So thank you so much, Candace. I appreciate it. >> Thank you. So great. Yeah. Yeah. >> And also, thank you for being so patient cuz I know my schedule's so crazy with the with so many kids and so I was like, we just got to make it happen. I was like, just get them down here. >> Yeah. You're a mom. You have a [laughter] family. So, I totally understand it. So, thank you so much. >> Anytime.