IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT

_.b Page 1 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA STATE OF FLORIDA STATE OF FLORIDA, VS. JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED STATEMENT OF 4-24-07 Transcribed by: Vicki S. Woodham, Court Reporter Notary Public, State of Florida Consor & Associates COPY 7. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611949 Page 2 1 (Taped statement as follows:) 2 AGENT : This is Special Agent 3 with the FBI along with Special Agent and Assistant United States 5 Attorney here to conduct an 6 interview with Ms. . Also present is 7 her attorney, and 8 MR. : And we are here -- This is 9 and my investigator, Ms. is here. 10 And we're here pursuant to a subpoena that was 11 served on me for and that's why we're 12 here. So Ms. it's your show. 13 MS. : Okay, great. 14 AGENT : I also want to add that the 15 date is 4-24-07, and the time by my watch is 4:21 16 p.m. 17 BY AGENT 18 Q. , we just want to start off and I'll lead 19 off first. We just want to get some basic info about 20 you, simple stuff. I've got your date of birth as 21 IIIIIII/ is that correct? 22 A. Yes, sir. 23 Q. I just want to get like your basics like that 24 stuff first. Your current address? 25 A. 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611950 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 1 2 Q. You have a cell phone or -- 3 A. 4 Q. And home phone? 5 A. Only cell. 6 Q. Only cell, okay. Now have you had other cell 7 phone numbers in the past and do you know any of those? 8 A. that's the only one I can remember. 9 Q. Okay. But you had some others? 10 A. Uh-huh. 11 Q. Okay. 12 BY MS. 13 Q. Who's your service provider? 14 A. Metro. 15 Q. Metro. And for that other number as well? 16 A. Yes. 17 BY AGENT 18 Q. Where did you go to high school? 19 A. 20 Q. And what year did you graduate? 21 A. 22 Q. What year was that that you dropped out, do you 23 remember? 24 A. No. 25 Q. What year were you supposed to graduate, your EFTA00611951 Page 4 1 class? 2 A. 3 Q• Okay. 4 A. 5 Q. When did you get that? 6 A. About three months ago. 7 Q. And are you going to college anywhere 8 currently? 9 A. Not right now. 10 Q. Plans? 11 A. I have plans. 12 BY MS. 13 Q. Where are you thinking about going? 14 A. I'm not positive what I want to do. There's a 15 lot of things on my mind, but right now 16 17 18 AGENT : He's a handful? 19 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 20 AGENT 21 THE WITNESS: Yeah. So in the future, I'm 22 definitely going to go to college. I'm going 23 definitely going to go to school. But I have, you 24 know, that's 25 hopefully going to -- some of you will notice me, J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611952 Page 5 hopefully, and that would be great, but I don't 2 know. 3 BY MS. 4 Q. Where else are you working? 5 A. I work fo 6 7 AGENT what was it? 8 THE WITNESS: 9 BY MS. 10 Q. And where are they located? 11 A. 12 13 O. 14 15 A. 16 BY AGENT 17 Q. Obviously, you know why we're here and what we 18 want to talk about. So let me just kind of lead into do 19 you know Jeffrey Epstein? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Yes, of course, you do. Now when did you meet 22 Jeff? Does he go by Jeff or Jeffrey or -- 23 A. Jeffrey. 24 Q. Okay. When did you meet him and who introduced 25 you to Jeffrey? iS L J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611953 Page 6 1 A. My girlfriend, introduced me to 2 Jeffrey. 3 Q. Do you know her last name? 4 A. No. She was a friend of one of my friends, so 5 I really didn't know her. 6 BY MS. 7 Q. When was that? 8 A. I really couldn't tell you. I don't even 9 remember. It's been so long ago. 10 BY AGENT 11 Q. So introduced you to him. Was it at a 12 party setting or how did you guys meet? 13 A. No. She came to me and she said hey, would you 14 like to make a couple dollars and I said sure. I said 15 doing what? She said, Well, I know this Jeffrey. He 16 lives on Palm Beach Island and I bring girls there and he 17 likes massages and I was like okay. So I asked her, I 18 said well, what about my age? And she said well, just 19 make sure that you tell him that you're 18. And I had a 20 fake ID at the time and we went there. 21 Q. Okay. And about what time period was it that 22 you went over there first, do you remember? 23 A. What time period? 24 Q. Yes. As far as what year was that that you 25 were in school? I 1 I 1 J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611954 Page 7 A. Q. 3 BY MS. 4 Q. Were you a freshman or a sophomore, do you 5 remember? 6 A. I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. 7 Probably a sophomore. 8 Q. Now you said that told you that he 9 likes massages. Did she elaborate on what types of 10 massages? 11 A. She said sometimes he likes topless massages, 12 but you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. 13 He just likes massages. 14 Q. And do you know whether had given him 15 massages? 16 A. Yeah, she said she's done it before. 17 Q. And do you know whether had taken any 18 other girls over to see Jeffrey? 19 A. Yes, she probably did. 20 Q. Did she tell how much you would make? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. What did she tell you? 23 A. We go there and we make $200 in 30 minutes. 24 Q. Now you said that you asked her, you know, what 25 do I need to be worried about my age. Why did you ask 4...51“.0.+Wo.l.••• ••••••••••:••• •••••••••%••WASIPV. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611955 Page 8 1 her that? 2 A. Because I don't want to be -- you know, it was 3 like I was underage and I was young and I was pretty 4 stupid and I didn't want to get -- I didn't want to get 5 in trouble, so I always made sure -- I had a fake ID, 6 anyways, saying that I was 18. And she just said make 7 sure you're 18 because Jeffrey doesn't want any underage 8 girls. 9 BY AGENT 10 Q. Now i did she -- where did you meet her 11 at? In school? What setting? 12 A. I was at a friend's house, my girlfriend's 13 house. I don't know what girlfriend's house it was. 14 Everybody was just hanging out. And she said -- she came 15 up to me and she asked me. She said, do you want to make 16 a couple bucks and I said sure. 17 Q. And after the first time that she took you over 18 there to meet Mr. Epstein, did she ever call you again to 19 set up any appointments with him or anything like that? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Did she ever call you on the phone is what I'm 22 asking? 23 A. No, I gave Jeffrey my number. And I said, you 24 know, any time you want me to give you a massage again, 25 I'll more than welcome to. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611956 Page 9 1 BY MS. ala 2 Q. So IIIIIIItook you that first time, but then 3 after that you communicated directly with Jeffrey? 4 A. Uh-huh. 5 Q. Tell us about that first time that you went to 6 his house. Who -- how did you get there? 7 A. One of 'I'll= friends and they dropped us 8 off and then we went. You know, we got escorted up to 9 the massage room and he told me everything. He said, 10 Listen, I like massages. And we had the whole massage 11 table laid out, the lotions and everything. And she was 12 in there for the first like five minutes. And the first 13 time I gave him a massage, she left the room and I gave 14 him a massage. And she told me, she says he likes women 15 topless massages. So I willingly the first time took off 16 my top when I gave him a massage and nothing more than 17 that. It was just a back massage and neck massage and I 18 was out of there. 19 Q. Okay. Let me just ask you a couple of 20 follow-up questions. You said that someone escorted you 21 up to the room. Do you know who that was? 22 A. One of -- what's her name? Actually, 23 just said, you know, it's up there and she just told 24 me where it was. 25 Q. And then you said that you and went KY-ow. 1......K.YEKKarKwKom..../KKKAKK.K.K.K.a.otioario.K.Kwa KaKoaa....K.K..vaK Kra.. 3. Censor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611957 Page 10 1 upstairs together? 2 A. UhThuh. 3 Q. And UMstayed in there for the first few 4 minutes? 5 A. Uh-huh. 6 Q. Was Jeffrey already in the room by the time 7 left? 8 A. Yeah, he was in the room. 9 Q. Okay. Was he there when you guys showed up in 10 the room or did he come in after you were already there? 11 A. He was in the room already. 12 Q. And you said that you took your top off. Did 13 anybody ask you to take it off, like did say it's 14 time for you to take it off? 15 A. No, she wasn't in the room. 16 Q. By the time you took it off, okay. 17 A. I said, I told Jeffrey, I heard you like 18 massages topless. And he's like, yeah, he said, but you 19 don't have to do anything that you don't feel comfortable 20 with. And I said okay, but I willingly took it off. 21 Q. Okay. And during that first massage, you said 22 that you gave him a shoulder and neck massage? 23 A. Neck, back, shoulder, yeah. 24 Q. Was he face down the entire time that he got 25 his massage? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611958 Page 11 1 A. Yeah. 2 Q. And what did you do during the massage? Did 3 you talk or -- 4 A. Yeah, we talked. 5 Q. And what would you talk about with him? 6 A. Well, we were just getting to know each other. 7 We talked about how my lifestyle was, what he did for a 8 living and just all positive things, really nice things. 9 Q. Okay. What was he wearing when you first came 10 in the room? 11 A. I'm sorry. When he first -- when he first came 12 in the room, he was fully clothed. And then he said, you 13 know, wait a second. I'm going to go on the massage 14 table and he put a towel over him just like a normal 15 masseuse would do. 16 Q. Did he undress and put a towel around him? 17 A. Uh-huh. 18 Q. Okay. 19 A. Yeah, I didn't see anything. It was just back, 20 neck and shoulders. 21 Q. And after the massage was over, you received 22 the $200? 23 A. He gives money right away. 24 Q. I'm sorry. Was that before you started the 25 massage or after the massage he gave you? 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611959 Page 12 1 A. The first time, he gave me the money right 2 away. 3 Q. Okay. And he's the person that paid you the 4 S2007 A. No, it's always IS 6 Q. ME gave you the money? 7 A. Uh-huh. 8 BY AGENT a 9 Q. What's MI last name, do you know? 10 A. I don't know. 11 MR. : You can't look at papers. If 12 you think you know, you know. If you don't know, -- 13 THE WITNESS: No, I don't know. I don't know 14 last name. He does. 15 BY MS. 16 Q. Okay. The only thing I'm confused about is you 17 said that didn't even take you upstairs. She just 18 told you where you should go? 19 A. Uh-huh. 20 Q. So when did she pay you the money? 21 A. She paid me then and there when I first walked 22 in the door, me and 23 BY AGENT. 24 Q. She paid you before you went upstairs? 25 A. Yes. 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611960 Page 13 1 BY MS. =MS 2 Q. And how much was Mil paid? 3 A. Everybody got paid $200. Q. And after -- So after the massage was finished, 5 you said that you had already been paid. Who asked you 6 for your name and telephone number? 7 A. Jeffrey said, Well, I'd like to see you again. 8 Can I have your number? From what I remember, I'm pretty 9 sure he asked me for my number and I gave him my number. 10 Q. Okay. 11 BY AGENT 12 Q. Did he write it down upstairs? He had a pen 13 handy, I hope? 14 A. Uh-huh. 15 BY MS. 16 Q. On that first massage, you said that you worked 17 on him topless. But when you first started, did you take 18 what were you wearing? 19 A. I was wearing a shirt, a normal shirt and 20 jeans. And I started to do a massage and I said well, I 21 heard you like topless massages. And, of course, he 22 thought I was 18. And he's like yeah, I do. I prefer 23 that. And who wouldn't, you know? So I said okay and I 24 took it off. 25 Q. And you took off your bra as well? 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611961 Page 14 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And you left your jeans on? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Okay. So you gave him a massage. Did he 5 request you do anything special in the massage? 6 A. No. 7 Q. And he never turned over in that first massage? 8 A. No. 9 Q. So you said that that day you gave your name 10 and number to Jeffrey. When was your next contact from 11 him or anybody who worked for him? 12 A. The next day, he had called me and he said 13 would like to come out again and I'd like to see you 14 again. I said sure. I took a taxi there and I went 15 there again. 16 Q. The following day? 17 A. The next day. 18 Q. Okay. And you said that Jeffrey is the person 19 who called you for that appointment? 20 A. No, Jeffrey did not, no. actually 21 called me. From what I remember, actually called 22 me. 23 Q. Okay. And she said Jeffrey says he wants to 24 see you again? 25 A. Yes. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611962 Page 15 1 Q. And then you said you took a taxi? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Is that how you would normally get to and from 4 his house? 5 A. Uh-huh, if I didn't have friends because I 6 don't drive, yeah. 7 BY AGENT 8 Q. How did you get home the first time when 9 ill' took you over? Did she get a taxi? 10 A. No, our friend came back and picked us up. 11 Q. Which friend was that? 12 A. His name was I don't know his last 13 name. I really didn't know and I didn't know her 14 friends or whatever, but I met Jeffrey. And once I met 15 Jeffrey, he was a very awesome guy and I just -- I don't 16 know. I ended up giving him my number so I could -- I 17 didn't want or to drive me anymore. I 18 would rather go to him on my own. 19 BY Ms. 20 Q. When you would take the taxis to and from, 21 would he pay for them? 22 A. Uh-huh. 23 Q. And he would pay when you arrived? 24 A. Uh-huh. 25 Q. And then he would just give you extra money J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611963 Page 16 1 when you left to pay for the taxi? 2 A. No, no. I never asked him for extra money, so 3 I just paid for my own taxi. 4 Q. Okay. So from the money that he paid you for 5 the massage? 6 A. Two hundred, yeah. 7 Q. Where were you living at the time? 8 A. I was living at It's 9 located on-So I would take, you know, 10 straight IMMIdown to where I lived. 11 Q. Do you remember about how much that taxi fare 12 was each..? 13 A. Twenty dollars. 14 Q. And did you always use the same taxi service 15 or -- 16 A. No, I used different taxis all the time, so -- 17 Q. And you would just call and have them come to 18 your house? 19 A. Uh-huh. I used a whole bunch of different 20 taxis, whatever is available. 21 Q. So you mentioned that the second massage, was 22 it any different than the first one? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. How was it different? 25 A. When I went there, I went there by myself. And 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611964 Page 17 I went up to the massage room and Jeffrey was just like ogular like he was before on his stomach and he had a 3 towel over and we started the massage and I had my top 4 off willingly. And after the massage, he asks me the 5 whole time. He says, Are you comfortable with me doing 6 this and I said yes and he turned around. And this was 7 like at the end of the massage, our 30-minutes massage, 8 usually it was even shorter than that. And he 9 masturbated at the end of the massage and it was like two 10 seconds and I was just topless. 11 Q. And when he turned over, then did he touch you 12 at all or was he just -- 13 A. No. I did not touch him. He did not touch me. 14 He didn't even want -- 15 Q. You didn't like continue the massage while he 16 was masturbating or anything? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Okay. I cut you off. You said he didn't even? 19 A. He didn't want me to touch him and he didn't 20 touch me at all. 21 Q. Did he ever ask you to rub his chest or rub his 22 nipples during the massage? 23 A. Actually, later on -- because I saw him for a 24 long time. Later on, I asked him, you know, and I asked 25 him -- I would give him -- you know, I would rub his 0••••••14..43.1. a.. La.., 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611965 Page 18 1 chest or whatever and massage him while he was 2 masturbating, yeah. 3 Q. So eventually you would continue the massage 4 and he would masturbate at the same time? 5 A. Yeah, but it wasn't on his lower area. 6 Q. No, you never touched his penis? 7 A. Right. 8 Q. Okay. So that was during the second massage. 9 You were paid 8200 again? 10 A. Always. 11 Q. Always? Every time you went there? 12 A. Always. 13 BY AGENT • 14 Q. Was it always that paid you? 15 A. Sometimes Jeffrey would and sometimes 16 would. 17 BY MS. 18 Q. Was it usually before or after the massage? 19 A. After the first time, it was always after. I 20 would go downstairs and I'd get paid. 21 Q. So just sort of tell us, when a massage ended, 22 which I assume was after he ejaculated? 23 A. It wasn't all the time that he did, though. 24 Q. Okay. 25 A. It wasn't like every time we went there he Iw....)4.4.4,44 -•••••••••,5•Nimax•TA•• ••••••••• ,J4. imwegilw`p • J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611966 Page 19 1 released. Sometimes he just wanted his feet massaged. 2 Sometimes he just wanted a back massage. 3 Q. Okay. But when the massage was over however it 4 ended, you would just get dressed and go downstairs by 5 yourself or did take you downstairs? 6 A. Yeah. The chef would make us food and it'd be 7 great. And Jeffrey would get dressed and he'd come down 8 with us sometimes or, you know, it wasn't -- we had fun. 9 It was all positive. 10 Q. Okay. How many massages do you think that you 11 gave Jeffrey? 12 A. I gave Jeffrey a lot of massages. I can't tell 13 you. I saw him for a good year. 14 Q. And how many times would you see him weekly 15 or more than once a week? 16 A. Yeah. 17 Q. More than once a week? 18 A. I personally would or I'd bring girls. 19 Q. Okay. But either you would or either a girl 20 that you brought? 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yeah, uh-huh. Q. Okay. A. But after a while, it wasn't me anymore. I had brought girls, but I got paid $200 to bring girls. Q. Okay. So let's talk just about when you were J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611967 Page 20 1 performing the massages. What other sorts of things 2 would happen? You said that sometimes he would just like 3 his feet massaged. What else would happen during those 4 massage sessions? 5 A. Nothing. Everything I told you. 6 Q. Okay. So sometimes a back massage? 7 A. Sometimes he liked back massages. Sometimes he 8 like feet massages. Sometimes he like his head massaged. 9 He liked his head massaged a lot. Sometimes leg 10 massages, yeah. And it wasn't every time that we went 11 there he masturbated. 12 Q. Okay. Any idea half and half or less than half 13 the time that he masturbated? 14 A. Less the time he masturbated. 15 Q. Did you always perform topless? Did you ever 16 get completely naked towards the end or in the middle and 17 remove all of your clothing? 18 A. I would wear panties. Willingly one time 19 because we were making jokes and everything and willingly 20 one time I had, yes, I was totally nude, but I was fine 21 with it. 22 Q. Okay. 23 A. Totally fine with it. 24 Q. And how did that massage go? 25 A. Actually, it was a foot massage and he was ....w..., 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611968 Page 21 1 sitting on the couch. We didn't even have the massage 2 table out and I gave him a foot rub and I was nude 3 Q. And how much were you paid for that? 4 A. Two hundred every single time. 5 Q. Did he at any point kiss you, touch you, show 6 any kind of affection towards you? 7 A. Never, never. 8 Q. Okay. 9 BY AGENT 10 Q. Why not? 11 A. Why not? Why would he? 12 Q. You seem like a nice young lady, attractive. 13 He never had any urges to -- 14 A. I asked him, i said, When are you going to get 15 married? When are you going to get married, Jeffrey? He 16 said, I'm never getting married. He has, you know, 17 beautiful women all the time. Why would he -- no, 18 huh-uh. 19 BY MS. 20 Q. He never pulled you closer to him in a sexual 21 22 A. I wish. No, no, never, ever, ever, no, never. 23 Jeffrey is an awesome man, no. 24 Q. Okay. Now you said that at some point you 25 started bringing other girls over? 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611969 Page 22 1 A. Uh-huh. 2 Q. How did that start? 3 A. He likes to see different faces. 4 Q. So he asked you if you had friends that you 5 could bring over or other girls? 6 A. Uh-huh. 7 Q. And how did you decide who you would ask to 8 come over? 9 A. All of my good-looking girlfriends and if they 10 had friends. It's all about, you know, we were just 11 making money and Jeffrey is an awesome guy. We just, you 12 know -- I would tell my girlfriends just like 13 approached me. Make sure you tell him you're 18. Well, 14 these girls that I brought, I know that they were 18 or 15 19 or 20. And the girls that I didn't know and I don't 16 know if they were lying or not, I would say make sure 17 that you tell him you're 18. 18 Q. Okay. What exactly would you tell them about 19 what would happen after you got to the house? 20 A. I said he likes massages, but he prefers 21 topless massages. But if you're not comfortable, then 22 don't do it and it won't matter. 23 Q. And did any of them tell you what happened 24 after that? 25 A. Always, always, I even asked them. 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611970 Page 23 1 Q. Okay. And with the other girls, was it the 2 same as what you did or different? 3 A. Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, I was more willingly 4 to do more, you know. Like I said, I went nude for him 5 one time. But the other girls, they practically were 6 topless and that's all that they were willing to do. 7 Some girls didn't want to go topless and Jeffrey didn't 8 mind. 9 Q. Were there girls that you brought back multiple 10 times? 11 A. A couple, a couple, but he really liked to see 12 different faces. 13 Q. Okay. I'm just wondering are there some girls 14 he really liked and others he didn't like or did he have 15 any preferences in terms of blondes, brunettes? 16 A. He liked girls like me. 17 Q. Okay. Thin and attractive? 18 A. I guess. Yeah, very attractive women. And he 19 didn't say girls. He said women all the time. 20 Q. Did you ever bring anybody he didn't care for? 21 A. Huh-uh. 22 Q. Yeah? 23 A. Yeah. 24 Q. How was she different than the others? 25 A. Black. I screwed up. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611971 Page 24 1 Q. How did you know you screwed up? 2 A. He doesn't like black women, obviously. 3 Q. So he let you know? He told you that? 4 A. Yeah, but he was still nice and he still gave 5 her her 200 even though he didn't even have a massage by 6 her. 7 Q. How did he -- he paid you $200 for bringing 8 each girl? 9 A. Uh-huh. 10 Q. And when he told you that, I mean, that's what 11 he told you that he would pay you $200 for bringing the 12 girls? 13 A. Yeah. He said if you bring me -- if you bring 14 me girls, I'll definitely, you know, give you money, 15 compensate you for your time and willing to do that for 16 me, yeah. 17 Q. And you said at that point you stopped 18 performing massages for him? 19 A. At that point, I didn't -- it would be 20 sporadically like. Usually, I had so many girlfriends at 21 the time that, you know, there were some new faces to be 22 saw. And if no one was available, then would go. 23 Q. I got you. 24 A. So -- 25 Q. Do you know some of the girls that you brought, I J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611972 Page 25 1 some of the their names? 2 A. I don't remember, really. They were like not 3 even friends. They were just associates, you know. If 4 anything, they'd be friends of friends, so no. 5 Q. We have -- I don't know. We have some messages 6 I guess that some girls' names that would call Jeffrey 7 and leave a massage. There's some girls names that are 8 referenced. We were just wondering if you knew them? 9 A. If you name them, I can probably remember. 10 MS. MM do you have that? 11 BY AGENT 12 Q. is one. 13 A. I don't know 1= Do you know her last 14 name? 15 MS. : We were hoping you did. 16 THE WITNESS: No, I don't. 17 BY AGENT 18 Q. 19 A. No, that sounds like a black girl's 20 name. 21 Q. Well, you brought a black girl. What was her 22 name? 23 A. I don't know. Don't ask me. 24 0. 25 A. yeah, I brought J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611973 Page 26 1 Q. Who is she? Tell us about 2 A. NES we look just alike, if that's the girl 3 I'm thinking about. We went to school together and I 4 brought her one time and then she ended up moving so she 5 couldn't come with me.' 6 Q. Were you guys in the same grade or -- 7 A. No, she was older than me. 8 Q. A year or two? 9 A. She was -- Actually, she was like 18. I don't 10 know. She was older. She was like, you know, two ranks, 11 two grades ahead of me. 12 Q. So when you were a sophomore, she was a senior? 13 A. I just met her in school and I told her. 14 BY MS. 15 Q. What was her last name? 16 A. I don't know. 17 BY AGENT 18 Q. Do you know where she lived? A. I just 19 met her in school and I told her about it. 20 Q. You told her about it at school? Is that where 21 your discussion was or -- 22 A. Well, I said give me your number. I said you 23 can make a couple of dollars. It's real easy. And if 24 you're comfortable with it, give me a call. 25 Q. Was that at school or at a party? v.,..)...laW.3,1•WOTImil ea r-WAi.aaJollIa...•~A-1•1•Rae•Aaeefe.frann.r.-0C6. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611974 Page 27 1 A. No, at school. 2 Q. At school. You're not sure what her last name 3 was? 4 A. I have no idea. 5 Q. Do you know where she lived or anything like 6 that, what car she drove? 7 A. No. 8 Q. What'd she look like? 9 A. What she looked like? 10 Q. Yeah. 11 A. Like me, everything, blonde hair, blue eyes. 12 (Start Side B of tape.) 13 AGENT : Time recorder is being 14 restarted is approximately 4:50 p.m 15 BY MS. 16 Q. We were talking about . You were at 17 at the time? 18 A. No, I was at 19 Q. okay. 20 A. And that's where went to school. 21 Q. What about a girl named 22 A. who? 23 BY AGENT 24 Q. Did you bring a 25 A. I brought a couple 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611975 Page 28 1 Q. I want to know about every one you brought. 2 A. 3 Q. What was her name? In a car accident or 4 something? 5 A. No, she died. 6 9 BY MS. 10 Q. Let's talk about the other 11. A. I don't even know. I don't know. I don't 12 know. There were some girls that just I would take one 13 time and then I would never talk to again, so I don't 14 know. 15 Q. How many girls do you think you brought to 16 Jeffrey's house? 17 A. That's a good question. I bring a lot, like 18 maybe -- I don't know, maybe 30, maybe 30. It was all 19 about the money to me at that time. 20 Q. Now any of the girls that you brought, did any 21 of them leave their names and numbers and then they would 22 get appointments directly from Jeffrey or did they always 23 go through you? 24 A. They went through me, hopefully. 25 Q. So you don't know? 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611976 Page 29 1 BY AGENT la 2 Q. You weren't getting paid, right? 3 A. I told them, I said, Don't give him your 4 number. 5 BY MS. 6 Q. If you brought the same girl more than once, 7 would you get paid each time you brought them or just get 8 the initial $200? 9 A. Every single time I brought a girl, okay, or I 10 referred a girl, I always got $200, always. 11 Q. Even if she came a second time? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. You would get $200 every time she came? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Good deal. Okay. What about IIIIIIIIr 16 A. who? 17 Q. Any that you brought to Mr. Epstein's 18 house. 19 A. I brought a 20 Q. Where did she go to school? 21 A. She didn't go to school. 22 Q. Okay. How did you know 23 A. ' been my -- she's my friend in the 24 past. How did I meet , at a party or she was my 25 -- Actually, she was my baby's father's girlfriend at the iolakAk•V 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611977 Page 30 1 time and I met her at a party. 2 Q. You asked her if she'd be willing to go to 3 Jeffrey's house? 4 A. Uh-huh. 5 Q. And when -- do you remember when that would 6 have been? 7 A. Actually, a couple weeks, a couple weeks. I do 8 remember her. A couple weeks after I met him. 9 Q. So you brought her pretty soon after you met 10 Jeffrey? 11 A. Uh-huh. 12 Q. And how old was 13 A. 14 Q. And what happened when you brought 15 A. The same thing. 16 Q. Okay. Well, I know that sometimes you said 17 that the girls would tell you what happened? 18 A. She went in there. She had a massage -- she 19 gave a massage on his back. She went a couple times. He 20 liked her. She went a couple times. The first time she 21 told me that he didn't -- it was just like me the first 22 time. He didn't climax at all, nothing happened. It was 23 just a massage. And then she went, I think, like two 24 times after that. And yeah, he masturbated, but no 25 touching. She didn't -- there's no touching of him. No W.,WAYa.a.1.1•1•04.,..•••••aa••• •M•44.1••••• ••••WOodA J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611978 Page 31 1 touching of her. None of my girls ever had a problem and 2 they'd call me. They'd beg me, you know, for us to go to 3 Jeffrey's house because they love Jeffrey. Jeffrey is a 4 respectful man. He really is. I mean, and he all 5 thought we were of age, always. This is what's so sad 6 about it. 7 Q. How would -- how would you make appointments 8 for girls to go over there? 9 A. I'd call them and they'd say hi, do you want to 10 go to Jeffrey's house? And they'd say yes or no and we'd 11 call a taxi. 12 Q. How would you know when Jeffrey was going to be 13 in town? 14 A. When Jeffrey was in town, would call me. 15 Q. Did she always call when they were already in 16 town or would she -- how far in advance would she call 17 you? 18 A. They only called me when they were in Palm 19 Beach. They never called me from anywhere. They've 20 never called me from anywhere else. It was always when I 21 was in Palm Beach. They'd say hi, we're down here. If 22 you want to come and see Jeffrey, you're more than 23 welcome to. 24 Q. So you wouldn't have like a specific time when 25 you would go over, like be here at 11 or be here at two? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611979 Page 32 1 A. Well, I'd tell them, I'd say -- well, I mean, 2 I'd have to work around his schedule. He'd have to work 3 around mine. Yeah, we'd say I'll be there at three. 4 I'll be there at four, whatever. 5 Q. Do you -- I know that you said you talked to 6 on the phone. Was there anybody else that you would 7 talk to on the phone? 8 A. If Jeffrey wasn't there like if I'd call him to 9 see how he was doing or whatever, you know, he had -- his 10 chef would answer the phone. His maid would answer the 11 phone. That's -- 12 Q. But was the only one you talked to about 13 making appointments? 14 A. Uh-huh, yeah. Well, yeah, if Jeffrey wasn't 15 available, they'd, you know, he said, the chef or you 16 know, whoever, said Jeffrey will get back to you. Yeah, 17 made the appointments. 18 Q. So when you were calling to talk to Jeffrey, 19 you were calling the house phone over in Palm Beach? 20 A. Uh-huh, yeah. 21 Q. And how often would you talk to Jeffrey on the 22 phone as opposed to talking to one of his assistants? 23 A. Me and Jeffrey hardly ever talked on the phone. 24 He was always busy. It was mostly . We'd talk when 25 I would get there, you know. So it was like hey, do you I anWsiieAnWenz 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611980 Page 33 1 want to come in? Yes, cool, you know. Come there, no, 2 cool, bye. 3 Q. Do you know someone who works for Jeffrey named 4 5 A. I think I met her one time. 6 Q. And what do you know about her? 7 A. She was there. And the person , I think, 8 I'm not positive, okay. I'm pretty sure she said that 9 but I 10 think I met her one time, if that's the girl that rings 11 the bell, you know, in my head. I think is that 12 one person I met one time. 13 Q. Now you said that you had teased Jeffrey about 14 whether he was getting married. Did you ever know him to 15 have a girlfriend or a steady? 16 A. No, he told me he's never been married. He's 17 never had a girlfriend and he doesn't want to have a 18 girlfriend. 19 Q. Were you ever asked to bring a girl for someone 20 else like to give a massage to somebody else or to anyone 21 other than Jeffrey? 22 A. No. I gave a massage before. 23 Q. And how often did that happen? 24 A. I only gave a massage like once or twice, 25 once or twice, not that often. 4.4-04,144-4, 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611981 Page 34 1 Q. But anybody else, either any friends that were 2 in town or -- 3 A. No. See, my mother is a masseuse and I have 4 experience massaging and he always liked my massages. So 5 he told about my massages and she said, yeah, I want 6 a massage so I'd go over there. I think it was one or 7 two times and I gave her a massage. 8 Q. Now when the girls were upstairs with Jeffrey 9 in the bedroom, what would you do? 10 A. The chef would make me carved tomatoes, put 11 some crab meat in it and I'd just eat, wine and dine. It 12 was wonderful, great. 13 Q. And when you would talk to the chef -- 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. -- would anybody else from the house be there? 16 A. Yes. I don't know their names. I can't 17 remember. There were like all these foreign girls from 18 -- like they're beautiful, beautiful models that are from 19 different -- they have accents. And no, but it was real 20 interesting because we'd talk. And, you know, I'd learn 21 a lot from them and they'd learn a lot from me just being 22 American. And no, every time I went there it was a good 23 time. And I usually just ate or I'd go and suntan or 24 something near the pool. 25 Q. And how long you would the other girl be 3. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611982 PSge 35 1 upstairs normally?. 2 A. Twenty, 25, 20 to 30 minutes. 3 BY AGENT 4 Q. Back to , is there anything else 5 about her that.you can remember? You were friends with 6 her. She went three times, you think? Did she go back 7 without going through you to set up Any appointments that 8 you know about? 9 A. I don't know. 10 Q. Okay. Were there anyothea that you 11 brought? I know you brought other or multiple 12 13 A. Yeah. I don't know. If you would say like a 14 last name, then I would probably remember, but I don't. 15 Q. Any In? Did you bring a' 16 A. yeah, that sounds familiar. Yeah, 17 Esto, yeah. 18 Q. 19 A. Uh-huh. 20 Q. What can you tell me about her? How old was 21 she? 22 A. She's older than me. 23 Q. Do you know her from school or -- 24 A. No. Where did I meet her? I met her in my 25 neighborhood and I asked her if she wanted to go and I ••••••10164 4•41a• J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611983 Page 36 1 yeah, t She was only there one time, though. 2 Q. Did she tell you how it went with him upstairs? 3 A. Yeah. 4 Q. What'd she say? 5 A. She said -- she's like ah, I don't know. 6 Q. She freaked out or something? 7 A. No, no, but he didn't want her again. He likes 8 tall, slender and she was like short. 9 Q. What did she say about him? 10 A. She had fun. 11 Q. She had fun? 12 A. Uh-huh. 13 Q. What did she say happened up there? 14 A. She was topless and just gave a massage. He 15 didn't, you know, climax or anything. 16 BY MS. 17 Q. Did you ever, either when you gave him a 18 massage or any of the girls, did you ever use a big back 19 massager or it was only manual massage? 20 A. No, it was only my hands. We never used 21 anything else. 22 Q. Now when you were working for him, when you 23 were going over to Jeffrey's house to give massages, did 24 you have a boyfriend? 25 A. Yeah, yeah. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611984 Page 37 Q. Okay. How did he feel about you going to Jeffrey's house? 3 A. He was a jealous little boy, but he didn't 4 care. Bring home the bacon. 5 6 7 8 Q. What's your boyfriends? A. 9 10 11 A. 12 Q. Okay, =MI 13 14 A. I would bring girls there 15 Q. So did -- so did Justin have concerns about 16 what you were doing at Jeffrey's house? 17 A. No, he talked to Jeffrey over the phone. 18 Jeffrey actually 19 20 21 Q. Was the shower at his house and did he attend? 22 A. No, no, at my house, at my house. And no, 23 Jeffrey wasn't there. He just sent to bring me 24 gifts for the baby. 25 Q. Oh, okay. a A.) J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611985 Page 36 1 BY AGENT IMIMB• 2 Q. Did Justin ever go over there with you? 3 A. No. 4 Q. He stayed away. 5 A. No, he didn't go, no. 6 BY MS. 7 Q. Did Jeffrey ask you about boyfriends? I mean, 8 was he curious about -- 9 A. Yeah, we always talked about everything, yeah. 10 Do you have a boyfriend, yeah, no, you know. We talked 11 like friends. I don't know. Just about our life 12 stories. You know, he probably knows my whole life 13 story. 14 BY AGENT 15 Q. Now do you still have contact with him or -- 16 A. Who? 17 Q. Jeffrey. 18 A. No, no one's allowing me. 19 BY MS. 20 Q. Did he know that you wanted to be a model or 21 that's what you were aspiring to be? 22 A. Yes, I told him. Yes, I've always wanted to be 23 a model, yes. 24 Q. Did he ever say he'd help you? 25 A. Uh-huh, yeah. And I was -- like I said, I was J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611986 Page 39 II1 at the time and I felt -- like he said, you know, you 2 can -- I will definitely take you and bring you to New 3 York and everything because he had models there, but I 4 always turned it down because I was 'Nand I didn't want 5 that to get out. 6 Q. What did you say to him? How did you put him 7 off? 8 A. I don't know. Oh, well, I don't know. No, he 9 wasn't like begging me or anything. He asked me a couple 10 times and I said -- I just -- there was like no say about 11 it. I just -- I didn't go. And it wasn't like he asked 12 me all the time. He just it's a couple times he asked. 13 He said I'll bring you to New York or whatever we do and 14 we can, you know, try to fulfill your dreams, but I 15 always said no because I was young and I didn't want to 16 screw up the 18 thing. 17 Q. Did - 18 19 20 21 22 Q. I'm wondering like how much was he giving you 23 advice? How much stuff were you really -- What did you 24 talk about? 25 A. HU. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 I EFTA00611987 Page 40 1 was -- I was totally -- I changed. You know, I was a bad 2 little girl and I totally changed. My whole life 3 changed. 4 And then 5 me and Jeffrey really stopped talking. We just stopped 6 talking. I had my own life and he had his, so I don't 7 know. 8 BY AGENT 9 Q. Did he ever make any arrangements knowing that 10 you wanted to be a model or were modeling? He has a lot 11 of connections with photographers and stuff. I mean, did 12 he ever set up any photo shoots or anything like that? 13 A. No. No, because he asked me if I would like to 14 go to pursue what I wanted to do, but like I said, for 15 the second time -- 16 Q. I mean in town here, not to travel to New York 17 for a shoot or anything? 18 A. No. No, because I always like stood back from 19 that because I didn't want him to know that I was ■ 20 BY MS. 21 Q. Did you ever get money from Jeffrey when you 22 didn't either give a massage or bring a girl over? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Okay. When did that happen? 25 A. I had to pay rent and I was late on my rent. J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611988 Page 41 1 And I asked him -- I asked him 2 for like 300. He gave me $500. I don't -- I couldn't 3 tell you how I got it. If anything, I think I went to 4 the house and got it. 5 Q. Was he there when you went to get the money? 6 A. No. 7 Q. Do you know was he in town or did you call him? 8 A. I don't even -- I can't remember, but I just 9 remember he did give me $500 for rent. 10 Q. Was that the only time that he gave you money 11 that wasn't connected either to a massage or to bringing 12 a girl? 13 A. I can't 14 remember now. Not off the top of my head, no. I never 15 asked him for anything because I just felt -- I'm not 16 like that, you know. I'm not a user and I'm not -- I 17 don't like that. I've never asked him for money, so -- 18 Q. What about presents, either birthday presents? 19 Any other gifts that 20 he gave you? 21 A. Yeah, he gave me a -- he had went to Brazil and 22 he came back with a whole bunch of bikinis and he told me 23 to choose one, so I chose one. 24 Q. Any other gifts, Christmastime or birthdays or 25 anything like that? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611989 Page 42 1 A. No. 2 Q. Did he give any of your friends that you 3 brought gifts? 4 A. Yeah, the girl Ma He gave her 5 a bathing suit, too, from Brazil. 6 Q. We have some telephone numbers that we wanted 7 to ask you about. 8 BY AGENT la 9 Q. Just to see if you recognize these or if you 10 ever used any of these numbers that might have been old 11 telephone numbers for you at some point. I don't know 12 how many cell phones you may have had through the years. 13 See if you recognize any of those. 14 A. was my number. 15 BY MS. 16 Q. What was a number? 17 A. 18 Q. Yeah. 19 A. 20 Q. Yeah. 21 A. Oh, I never knew his. Always I just, you know, 22 called him and I never knew his number. 23 BY AGENT 24 Q. It was programmed in your phone? 25 A. Yeah. So I don't know. I just know J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611990 1 because that was my old number like a long time E 2 BY MS. • 3 Q. At the time that you were bringing girls over 4 to the house, were you also working a regular job? 5 A. I worked at for a little while, but 6 no, kind of retired and splurged. I didn't have any 7 bills to pay. I saved. I put money in the bank, so 8 Q. We had talked about before. Do 9 you know someone named 10 A. uh-huh. 11 Q. And who is that? 12 A. I brought her a couple times. Who is that? 13 Q. I mean, did you go to school with her or how 14 did you know her? 15 A. Oh, I had asked one of my friends. I said do 16 you have any -- It was a guy friend. I said do you have 17 any girls that are willing to give massages and I met up 18 with her. I called her. I talked to her on the phone. 19 I met up with her and she said yeah, cool. 20 Q. And you said you took her over there a couple 21 of times? 22 A. Yeah, she went over there more. She went over 23 there more than a couple times. 24 Q. But you brought her every time that she went 25 over there? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611991 Page 44 1 A. That I know of. That I know of, yeah. 2 Q. Okay. Did you ever tell any of the girls that 3 they would be going over to model lingerie? 4 A. No. I told them we were going to go Jeffrey's house and it's going to be a topless massage pretty much. 6 Anything you don't want to do, you don't have to do and 7 it's $200, badda-bing, badda-boom. You make $200 in 30 8 minutes. 9 Q. Did any of the girls complain about what 10 happened after they left there? 11 A. No. You asked me that question. No, everybody 12 loved Jeffrey. 13 Q. No one called you and said, I think that you 14 should call -- I think that we should call the police? 15 A. No. 16 Q. No one told you that? 17 A. No, no, oh, my God. And who is that coming 18 from? 19 Q. We just have phone calls that seem to 20 contradict what you're telling us? 21 A. Oh, so you think that people came to me and 22 said that I'm to call the police on Jeffrey? 23 BY AGENT 24 Q. Was there anyone that thought that what Mr. 25 Epstein was doing was inappropriate and was concerned J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611992 Page 45 1 about that? 2 A. Every girl that I brought to Jeffrey, they said 3 they were fine with it. And like, for instance, MEM 4 -- BMW MI a lot of girls begged me to bring them 5 back. They wanted to come back for the money. And as 6 far as I know, we all had fun there. We ate all the 7 food. He gave us free bikinis. No, nothing about any 8 cops. 9 Q. I mean, was there anyone that thought what he 10 was doing may have been a little bit wrong? Not wanting 11 to report to the police, but just saying, you know, 12 that's kind of weird? 13 A. We talked about it like because we were 14 underage, but he thought that we were 18. We were like 15 hopefully that no one finds out. Hopefully, Jeffrey 16 doesn't find out our age. But other than that, not 17 calling the cops. 18 BY MS. 19 Q. Was anybody upset that he was masturbating? I 20 know that you said you told them that they would possibly 21 do the massage topless. They might have expected that. 22 Was somebody shocked -- 23 A. Yeah, of course. I mean, he always told them, 24 okay, and I told them, too. I said if you're going to go 25 there, then you don't have to do anything that you're not J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611993 Page 46 1 comfortable with. A couple girls when they did come out 2 of there, they're like oh, my God, I wasn't expecting all 3 of that, but he always asked them and I asked them. 4 They'd say that, you know, he asked me are you 5 comfortable with this and they'd say yes. Maybe they 6 were scared, who knows. But yeah, they came out of there 7 like oh, my God, that was kind of weird, you know, yeah. 8 Q. Were any of them upset about it? 9 A. Do they like regret it or something? 10 BY AGENT 11 Q. Just shaken up, you know, just kind of shocked? 12 A. A couple of girls -- well, see, we were so 13 young and Jeffrey didn't know that. Like the whole thing 14 was shooken up when I brought them there. And see, I 15 don't know. I thought that they were, you know, most of 16 the girls that I did bring there, they were 18, 19, 20. 17 But I remember there was a couple times that I had 18 brought like maybe 16 year olds or something 19 And they -- I don't know. It's like they were scared to 20 say that they were 18. They were like what if he finds 21 out? And they were' a little shook up about that, the age 22 thing. But and afterwards like if he climaxed or 23 whatever, if they were like shooken up, I'm like it's 24 okay, you know. And they were like oh, I wasn't 25 expecting that, but they told Jeffrey that, you know, J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611994 Page 47 1 they were comfortable with it. If anything, you know, 2 maybe they were scared and they felt like obligated, like 3 they didn't want to say. I was thinking that they didn't 4 want to say like no, you know, I don't want to do that, 5 so who knows. I wasn't up there with them, so I couldn't 6 tell you. 7 BY AGENT Min 8 Q. Who were the ladies who mentioned that to you 9 who were kind of shocked? 10 A. Usually, the girls that I would bring like one 11 time and I wouldn't even see them again. 12 Q. Can you help me out with some names, though? 13 A. Huh-uh, no. I can't remember her name. She's 14 on the top of my -- oh, my God, I don't remember. I 15 can't remember. 16 BY MS. 17 Q. None of the girls wanted to go to the 18 authorities? Nobody was that upset that called you or 19 spoke to you that was upset with what had happened to the 20 point that they wanted to report it? 21 A. No, no. If anything, thank you, , so much 22 because I really could use the money. 23 BY AGENT -: 24 Q. Do you know the names of some of the girls that 25 you brought? J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.628.0905 EFTA00611995 Page 48 1 . A. Huh? 2 Q. Do you know the name of some of the girls you 3 brought other than the ones that we've talked about right 4 now? 5 A. Like I said, I can't remember because usually 6 there -- 7 Q. There's about 30 of them, so you've got to 8 know -- 9 A. No, I don't know because there were girls that 10 I didn't even know so, you know, I just asked them. I 11 said, Hey, would you like to make some money? Here's my 12 number. Do you want to make money? Here's my number, 13 you know, and that's how it went. So I don't remember 14 the names and I really didn't care to know their names, 15 anyway. 16 Q. Do you know their phone numbers? 17 A. Now? 18 Q. Yeah. 19 A. N