Charlie Kirk Parishioner Speaks! Was Charlie Becoming Catholic? - #71 (Part 1 of 2)

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Charlie Kirk Parishioner Speaks! Was Charlie Becoming Catholic? - #71 (Part 1 of 2)
YouTube video by Baron Coleman (@realbaronpodcast) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLcD_qLKjEo). OPINION COMMENTARY by Baron Coleman (Baron Coleman (@realbaronpodcast)) — one commentator's contested analysis of the Charlie Kirk assassination and the State v. Tyler Robinson prosecution. These are his own assertions and theories, NOT the court record, NOT established fact, and NOT endorsed by profoundd; some make unverified allegations about named individuals. Archived here, attributed and lane-separated as commentary, so the claims can be weighed against the primary record — the tyler-robinson-trial hearings and filings in this same collection. Inclusion in this archive is not evidence of truth.

All right, guys. We got something big lined up for you tonight. I hope the title didn't give too much away. Um, but we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Uh, welcome in. Welcome in. Candace's last two nights have been wild. Um, I've talked to a lot of people about the need perhaps, not that I'm not that I would supplement the Queen's uh uh podcasting by any stretch of the imagination, but perhaps the need to hit a member show tomorrow to just sort of unpack what it is she's been saying. So, we may do that at some point tomorrow. Open up the member stream and really dig into the timelines, the different players, answer a lot of question about who's who. I saw a lot of questions in the comments. Uh, I hop over to the Discord. You guys don't know I jump in there. Sometimes I jump into the uh the the the podcast Discord every now and then. I don't run it, so I take no responsibility for what happens in there, but every so often I peek in and see if you people are behaving. And I even comment sometimes and you don't know it's me because I'm using an alias. So be be polite. Be polite to everybody. Um but I jump in there from time to time and I've noticed a few people asking for um a little explainer, a little breakdown of of who some of the players are. I think one of the things that happens happens to me. I was talking to Daisy today about it. Happens to her. I think it sometimes happens to the best of us. We we live this and breathe this and have for months. I mean, I spend 6, 8, 10, 12 hours a day preparing for a show before I run it out to you guys. And so, I hear these names. I know who these players are. I know where they lived. I know who they were married to. I know where they went to school. I know who their acquaintances were. I know what patents they have. I know we know everything about these people. And so, we roll out a show and assume everybody else understands the basics. And so, uh, one of the things we'll do probably tomorrow, we'll probably do this tomorrow. I've got I've got several things lined up. I don't want to tell you what I'm doing. Uh, but you'll see it in the future. So, that's that's one thing. Second thing, Sunday night's show is going to be explosive. Um, I I have no other way to say it. I've got one more thing to nail down before I'm confident I can roll out the show the way I want to, but if we roll it out Sunday the way I envision it being rolled out, it is going to transform the Charlie Kirk investigation. You will not want to miss Sunday's show. Again, there's still a wrinkle or two that could that could cause a hiccup and me not be able to roll it out the way I want it to, but I don't believe it's going to stop. I think it's I think it's locked in. The keys are turn one keys turn. You know, on a nuke, you got one key turned, you got to turn the other key. One key is turned. I'm just I want to turn that other key, but I've got a I got a couple things I got to clear before we turn that other key. I'm pretty confident it will be turned and and Sunday's show will be fire. I mean, absolute fire. So, you're not going to want to miss Sunday night's show. And I have no idea what time it'll be right now. I would guess probably in the five six o'clock range, maybe as late as 7. Depends on how long it takes that day to get it put together. Um, but it is guys, I I have no other way to explain it. I had no idea a week ago this set of facts existed. And what I have learned, I intend to share with you.I intend to share it all with you. Everything I've learned. But again, I have one more little hurdle to clear. And it is you'll never look at the Charlotte Kirk investigation the same way. This is not a theory about a a cause of death. This is not a theory about anything like that. It is just I you can't even guess. You can't even guess it's that big. So that's going to happen Sunday night. 98.47% four seven% sure that's going to happen Sunday night. Um I'm gonna feel terrible if I have to come up Sunday night and be like, "Well, I can't do the show." [laughter] I'll let you know ahead of time if that happens. So, that's that's uh that's in all likelihood coming down the pike. Tonight, we have a great guest. We're going to have I'm going to do my regular open. I have one segment I'm going to do, then we're going to bring in a guest, and then I have one segment I'm going to do after that. So, it could be a little longer of a show tonight. Uh, I understand it's a little later, but it took a long time to get this show lined up today, including getting coordinated with our guests. So, that's going to happen. We're going to start with the open as we normally do and then we will jump into um just a cleanup top. The first topic is not long. It's just a cleanup topic of a couple of things we've talked about today and then we'll bring our guest in. Our guest is is I I think a very explosive guest. So, we'll we'll get to that in I don't know. I can't give you an exact time, but it's going to be a big show. But again, I I cannot tell you what Sunday's going to be like if if it goes off without a hitch. It it's you are not going to want to miss it. You You're This is Sunday's the type of show where you'll be calling people and saying, "Are you watching this? Are you out of your freaking mind? Are you serious? Are you seriously watching what is happening on YouTube, on Rumble, on Spotify right now? Are you watching?" Yeah. It's going to be that kind of show. All right. But in the meantime, in the meantime, The world first heard of James Fry with the publication of his book, A Million Little Pieces, in April of 2003. It was pitched to the public as a raw, unflinching memoir. The book told the tale of Fry's steady and terrifying descent into alcoholism and drug addiction. Noticeably notably, his story included vivid accounts of his time in rehabilitation at a facility resembling the Hazelden clinic in Minnesota. Fry described himself as a troubled figure from a privileged background. He recounted episodes of criminal behavior such as arrests for assault and drug possession. There was a particularly dramatic incident in the book where he allegedly struck a police officer with his car while he was intoxicated. The narrative style was unconventional. The book lacked quotation marks and featured a stream of consciousness approach that drew readers by emphasizing emotional turmoil over the traditional rules of grammar. When it was released, the book received fairly favorable attention from critics and readers alike. The editors at Amazon, for example, hailed it as their favorite book of the year. They praised its brutal honesty and inspirational act of redemption. Initial sales were really solid. He sold over a million copies in just the first two years. Those kind of numbers established Fry as a promising voice in the memoir genre. Reviewers compared it to works by Hunter S.Thompson and Charles Bicowski, noting its gritty portrayal of addiction's underbelly. The Minneapolis Star Tribune, however, published an early piece questioning some of the details in the book. Fry responded to the piece, admitting some minor alterations for literary effect while insisting the truth of the overall story. The book's trajectory shifted dramatically in September 2005 when Oprah Winfrey selected it for her influential book club. Oprah announced her endorsement on her massively popular daytime talk show and transformed a million little pieces into a cultural phenomenon virtually overnight. Sales skyrocketed. The book immediately went to the top of nearly f every bestseller list and eventually surpassed 4.5 million copies worldwide. Fry appeared on Oprah Winfreyy's program where he discussed his experiences in a compelling interview that resonated with viewers struggling with similar issues. Oprah lauded the book as a beacon of hope and emphasized its message that recovery was possible even from the depths of despair. This exposure not only amplified Fry's visibility, but also positioned him as a symbol of resilience. Media outlets scrambled for interviews, and he became a fixture on many talk shows where he shared anecdotes that reinforced the book's central theme. The success spilled over to his follow-up, My Friend Leonard, which was released in June of 2005. My Friend Leonard focused on a paternal figure from his rehab days and quickly joined the bestseller ranks. Fry's narrative of survival captivated audiences and actually contributed a great deal to society. It inspired countless readers to confront their own demons and seek help. Bookstores reported unprecedented demand and the Oprah stamp of approval turned Fry into a household name. He had speaking engagements and public appearances that cemented his status as an authority on recovery. More and higherprofile doubts about the memoir's authenticity began to surface fairly prominently in early 2006. On January 8th, the Smoking Gun website released an investigative report titled A Million Little Lies. They exposed James Fry's fiction addiction. The piece meticulously dissected Fry's claims against public records and revealed that significant discrepancies existed. For for example, the alleged threemonth prison stent following a violent arrest, it was debunked. Police reports showed Fry had been detained for only a few hours on misdemeanor charges like driving without a license and open container violations. There was no evidence of the dramatic confrontation or the in injuries he described. Another fabrication involved a 1986 train car accident in Michigan where Fre where Fry portrayed himself as intimately connected to a tragic event that killed two teenagers. In reality, he had no real involvement and records from the scene directly contradicted his role. The report also highlighted inconsistencies in his rehab timeline, his criminal history that suggested much of the book's sensational elements were invented. Early whispers like those from the Star Trabune in 2003 picked up steam as bloggers and journalists dug deeper. Fry's publisher initially defended him, asserting that the book had been vetted. But the mounting evidence from court documents and interviews with involved parties painted a picture of Fry's systematic exaggeration of the events he described in his books. The exposure triggered a cascade of repercussions that destroyed his newfound celebrity.3 days after the smoking guns article, Fry appeared on Larry King Live alongside his mother, seeking to downplay the issues as a typical memoir liberty and focused on the essential truth of his addiction struggles. Winfrey actually phoned into the program to support him, which underscored the book's motivational impact. However, public pressure continued to mount. It eventually led Oprah to reverse course and invite Fry back on her show on January 26, 2006. In a tense, widely watched episode, Oprah Winfrey grilled him on the deceptions in the book. She focused much of the discussion on the betrayal of her audience. Fry admitted to altering key facts, including the jail time and accident details, and the publisher faced criticism for inadequate fact-checking. The confrontation became something of a media spectacle. Columnist blasted the erosion of trust in publishing. Fry's literary agent severed ties with him on January 31st, citing irreparable damage. By February 1st, he had issued a reader note in a subsequent edition where he expressed regret for misleading people. Riverhead canled a lucrative twobook contract on February 24th, and Random House, Double Day's parents, settled a class lawsuit in September, 2006, allocating more than $2 million for refunds to disillusioned buyers of the books. Disclaimers were added to future copies to warn the readers of fictionalized elements. Oprah Winfrey later apologized to Fry in 2009 and 2011 for the fan for the interview's intensity, but the scandal forever tainted her book club's reputation. Somehow Fry's career actually rebounded. He had a 2007 Harper Collins deal releasing the novel Bright Shiny Morning. He ventured into young adult fiction through Full Fathom 5, creating uh series like Laurian Legacies under pseudonyms, though the company drew flack in 2010 for exploitative writer contracts. And Fry also contributed to films such as Queen and Slim in 2019. and he leads esports ventures, all of which demonstrate a re resilient pivot from the memoir debacle that once threatened to define to define his legacy. The lesson in my eyes is that the public is generally as forgiving as the person who lied to them is forthcoming and remorseful. Both Oprah and Fry played the controversy nearly perfectly. Oprah recommended a book she did not vet. Fry wrote a memoir for a life he did not live. And when the public caught on, both expressed honest and sincere remorse. And the public, at least much of the public, forgave them. And that is your opening statement. So now we will uh jump off from that. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about there. someone claiming to live a life they didn't live. Shocking in the context of everything we've been covering here lately. I'm sure I'm sure you find it as shocking as I do. All right, let me let me pull up a couple things here cuz this is um this is going to be a dense evening. We're going to move quickly. We're going to move quickly. I've got to pull up that I want to read to you. I I'll bring it up on the screen if if it'll pull up. I will say this. This website's been giving me a lot of trouble lately. But I want to pull up a story here. You guys remember this. We keep revisiting this. And there's a reason we keep revisiting this. This is Charlie Kirk writing about the 7-year anniversary at Turning Point. And there is in the frame the man who plucked Charlie Kirk from obscurity, Bill Montgomery. And I don't know what kind of tie that is, Bill.I'm not going to hold it against you. All these many years later, Charlie went with the forever tie, right? the uh the diagonal stripes. You can't you can't ever go wrong with the diagonal stripe. But this is the 7-year anniversary. And I want to read some of this. Last week was our 7-year anniversary at Turning Point. I realized when the anniversary hit, I was in such a rush and transit, I didn't properly reflect and commemorate this incredible milestone. 7 years ago, June 5th, 2012, I picked up the phone to call Bill Montgomery, and I told him that I had the name of the organization, Turning Point USA, that I believe would recapture the spirit of our country. He immediately responded with, "How can I help? I believe in you." This was so rare. Outside of my parents and a few other local friends, belief in me was a hard thing to find. Many people know the above story. Few know this story. And I'll say this, I did not know this story. They did not know this part of the story that we're about to get into. For the days leading up to June 5th, 2012, Bill Montgomery spent hours, yes, hours on the phone with me, building me, coaching me, and believing in me. That's weird to me. This is me talking, not the uh article. That's weird to me. I still find this whole story deeply bizarre and disturbing that a 72-year-old man would spend this much effort and and wait, it gets worse or better depending on your perspective. But it it gets more. We'll say that it I was a high school senior who just got rejected from West Point. A high school senior. I'm still weirded out by the fact that Bill Montgomery spent this much time investing in a high school senior. Hours and hours on the phone. What on earth did he see in me? He saw me speak just once before at a Tea Party rally in Lyall, Illinois. In fact, here is the link if you want to watch it. We will watch this link in a minute. It's only 2 minutes long. It's a very short speech. We finally tracked down the infamous link. And let me say this, a guy named X Nylo on Twitter, ex nih i l o. He is an fantastic researcher. He found all this. I'm just lifting this right out of his research. I encourage you to go over and give him a follow. He's great a follow. He's great. You cannot go wrong following this guy. I was hardly the dynamic speaker I am today. But Bill saw something in me, something unique, and saw the potential. I will never forget those hour phone calls that led up to me calling him with the name of the organization. Not only did Bill Montgomery advise, mentor, and coach me up to that moment, he went the summer of 2012 was a rough one for me. Tough one for me. When most of my peers were going away to college, I was left zigzagging the Midwest in 98°ree heat with Bill, going from Tea Party to Tea Party event, asking for $50 donations and searching for a big donor. We fed off a dream. We were inspired by the imagination of what could be possible. There were moments where I wanted to give up. It's so easy to try and portray that you always had it within yourself to keep going. I didn't. I needed Bill, the ultimate optimist, to keep pushing me. I remember in August of 2012, I was low on energy, money, and positivity. This is almost child abuse, by the way. I was But I digress. Bill, however, convinced me we should go to the RNC in Tampa. Many of you know the now famous meeting where Foster Freeze pledged us the $10,000 contribution. Few people know what led up to that moment.As I was trying to gain access to the RNC, and let me pause here. I didn't know what led up to that moment. I've long speculated, how did he get a meeting with a billionaire? How did an 18-year-old kid end up at the RNC in front of a billionaire asking for money? It doesn't happen every day. As I was trying to gain access to the RNC, Bill was relentless in pouring energy into me. Every time I wanted to put my head down, every time I wanted to give up, he said, "Come on, Charlie. You can do it. Keep going." And I did, I reflect back on the praise we've been getting the last few days. I feel very incomplete. I feel as if I'm getting the praise for something I only played a part in doing, a fraction, a team member. The truth is, if Bill didn't have my back, if Bill didn't keep pushing me, this experiment would have failed and with it the millions of lives we've impacted along the way. And then he goes on to talk about all the things that To anyone who's been impacted by my videos, podcasts, TPUSA, our chapters, literature, events, conferences, field programs, or any speeches I've given, you have Bill Montgomery to thank for investing in an 18-year-old with a vision when everyone else thought it was impossible, foolish, and deemed for failure. He saw it, believed in, and America's better for it. Bill, thank you for taking that risk. We're all in your debt. I'll admit, I thought that was strange. Like, I if my 18-year-old son was spending hours and hours on the phone with a 72-year-old man, I would be a little weirded out. I'm old school. Well, let's watch the video real quick. This is the the speech Hold on. >> All right. Sorry. I didn't know I was going to fly up like that. You tell me. When I play this speech, I want you to put yourself in 72-year-old Bill Montgomery shoes. At 72 years old, you've seen a few political speeches in your day. Particularly if you're a Tea Party guy, if you're flying around looking at different candidate forums. Anyone who's lived this local life on the local circuit, and I have, I did it for many, many years, where you go to all these little events and these little counties and these little member parties and they got 18 people at them and 29 people at them. I've spoken at them, spoken at a lot of them where they ask you to show up and speak and you look out there and there's 22 people and the the median age is like 89 and that's You're in somebody's barn. It's 29 degrees outside. They've got one little kerosene heater in the corner. I mean, I've done all this. I've been on this circuit. I've been there with candidates. I've been there with myself. I've been there as a supporter. I've been there as a speaker. It's And this is what this is. You'll notice when he's speaking, I'm just setting the stage before I show you. Well, you'll notice when he's speaking, this is the infamous speech where Bill Montgomery discovered this dynamic speaker within 20 seconds. He says, and he just knew this guy was the one. He was the one. He was the chosen. When you see this, you're going to hear the audience in the background. There's not very many people. They tell the story and say a bill when he tells the story says there were 400 people. I don't hear 400 people. I hear like eight. But that's maybe there were maybe they were just very quiet. Which again would betray the fact that it was not quite the dynamic speech we've been sold. But that's neither here nor there. All right. Let me play the speech.You got I don't want to I don't want to tell you it's it's not what we've been told. But I This is the setting. He is in some sort of gymnasium it looks like or some sort of auditorium hall maybe. but I'll play it for you. It's 2 minutes and 16 seconds. The 2 minutes and 16 seconds that changed the entire world. SOS. What does that mean? It is the international cry for help. Our generation is drowning in an ocean of debt. When you graduate from high school, you'll get that diploma. It'll be a great day. But that's an invoice for over $600,000. You owe each one of you $600,000. The fellow government Washington is spending your future away. Spending my future away. Spending our children's future away. You know what? We can still turn this around. We can bring this ship back up. We're drowning in an ocean of debt. This is our Mayday right now. SOS Liberty again is all high school kids and we need kids like you. We need kids that are dedicated to fiscal responsibility, limited government and getting spending back under under control. >> Um now out there they keep on saying we are the 99%. I'm sure you've all heard that right? Heard that several times. We like to believe in the words we the people. Not we are the 99% but rather we the people believe in fiscal responsibility. We don't divide, rather, we unite. We have a president who is polarizing this nation. We have a leader in the White House who is not uniting us, but rather dividing us. He's saying the 1%, right? But we need a uniter. We need to come together. We need a youth action unlike anything this country's ever seen. SOS Liberty right back there. You can check out all our information. We'd love to have you uh visit our Facebook page. It's dedicated towards this. We are going to reduce this debt deficit. Our parents left us with a $16 trillion bill. By the time this presentation is done, our debt will have increased over $20 million. Now, I'm asking for your support. I'm asking for you visit our Facebook page. Follow us on Twitter, Liberty SOS. Find us on Facebook. Facebook.comsliberty. This is your future there. They're spending away. And you know what? The American dream. It's worth [clears throat] fighting for because we can turn the ship around. Brighter days are tomorrow. We can we can turn this around. We can save the ship. Thank you I mean, it wasn't bad. It It wasn't like the worst speech I've ever heard. I' I've been to events where And at 17 it was it was it was pretty remarkable. But I I put myself again I've been to hundreds of these events around the around different states and different counties. And I mean I've been to a lot of these events. It was just sort of normal. Like it was just how people give a little speech at Even at 46, there's I mean, 46 years old, there's nothing in that speech where I would walk up there and be like, I I am just so this this guy's going to change the world. I I don't know what you're doing, young man. I I assume you're going to college, but you can't. You have to go change the world. You have to be the one. You're the chosen one. I'm going to spend hours on the phone with you cultivating a relationship. I'm going to spend hours on the phone with you making sure you don't go to college. Making sure you believe that together we can travel around county tea party It's it to say I don't believe that origin story is an understatement. I believe nothing about that origin story. Nothing. He was a fine young man.He was a well spoken guy talking about something I think a lot of people believe in, which is economic liberty, fiscal sanity, fiscal responsibility, however you want to put it. I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a normal thing people talk about at but I didn't see anything in there where I thought, man, this guy's the truth. He's the future. And maybe that's why I've never discovered anybody. Maybe Bill's Maybe Bill has a a better ability, a keener insight to be able to look at somebody like Charlie Kirk, give that speech and say, "Oh, this is the guy. This is the one. He's the one we've been waiting for. I'm going to call this guy and I'm going to spend hours on the phone with him. I'm going to cultivate a relationship. I'm going to encourage him not to go to college. I'm going to encourage him to follow me around the country and we're going to go place to place and we're going to ask for little dollars here and there." I don't know, man. I don't know. Again, [clears throat] Travis over at X Nylo on Twitter, he found all that. I'm not taking credit for any of that. I just when I saw it, I was like, I I've got to share this. Like, I I watched it expecting to be floored. And maybe that's my problem. Maybe I'm watching it with the expectation of Charlie Kirk, the cultural phenomenon, the national treasure, the guy people were pitching for president, the guy that was going out there raising nine figures worth of money, leading an organization of hundreds of employees, sitting down in the White House discussing, you know, whether or not the president of the United States should launch a strike against a foreign country, right? I'm I'm looking at it from that perspective and I'm saying there's nothing in that speech that would have attracted like there's nothing in that speech that But I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to I don't want to get too caught up in it. I do want to bring in uh a guest here in just a moment. I'm going to set him up a second. I see him down in the corner looking down at his phone. I don't even know if he can hear me, but I want to I want to bring him in in just a moment. And I want to explain real quickly who John Yep is a um is an activist, a political activist, but he's al he does it from a faith-based perspective. he's going out on a limb and he's taking a lot of heat for it. He's the guy who invited Candace Owens to speak at his But it turns out I got to apologize. I have something settling in my lungs. I think that's why I've been coughing so much lately. I'm getting sick now. All day I've been I've had something settling in my lungs. I can feel it. So I apologize. I'll try to make a more li liberal use of my uh cough button. But I want to bring him in. I do want to talk about the annual gala, but I also want to talk about specifically Charlie Kirk. He had a relationship with Charlie Kirk. He knew Charlie Kirk and I think he can give us insight into a lot of things that are questionable right now. A lot of things that are being asked of of um of different people and people are weighing in on. I've got some clips I'm going to show him and ask him what he thinks about those uh people saying, "Oh, Charlie, he was just attracted to the architecture of the Catholic Church. Oh, Charlie, he he just like to sit in solitude and peace and quiet." So, I I'm going to I'm going to play those clips. I'm going to ask him honestly to for his take on that. But I do want to bring him in now. Uh John, can you hear me?I can hear you loud and clear, Baron. >> All right. All right. I don't know if you have an echo or not. Sometimes that's a problem we have on here. People get an echo, but I >> Okay. Uh, so who is John yet? Talk talk me through uh who you are, why you're here, and um and and and work in there, how you met Charlie, how long you've known him, and all that kind of stuff. >> First of all, uh I've made the Baron Coleman podcast. I think it's a achievement. I better put that on my resume. But honestly, it's it's it's I'm grateful to be here. you know, you and so many other people have been teaming up with Candace and whoever just to stand for truth. You guys have risen out of nowhere. Uh responded to I kind of believe a a divine calling to stand up and take up this this this uh torch. Okay. Um so yeah, who am I? Uh love the phrase the political activist. I mean I'm almost like Charlie I think he was saying towards the end of his life like it's not even politics that interests me that much. Charlie said that, right? It's I just want to bring people to know the Lord, right? I'm a Catholic. Uh I live in Arizona and I my family knew Charlie um before he became famous. Like Lamont, Illinois is literally where he had his first uh you know, Turning Point Headquarters. It was a you know, Hodunk uh little garage, right? So I grew up right around there for a little bit. I intersected and uh you know, we I reconnected after I left Catholic Seminary here in Phoenix, Arizona. Lo and behold, I'm like living down the street from where he was and uh saw him reconnected at the Turning Point USA America Fest 2022. And when I when I saw him uh Baron, the first thing he asked for me is like, "Look, I'd love to connect with a Catholic priest." First thing he said, he obviously remembered me from way back. And I said, "Well, yeah, 100%." Like, you know, you where do you live? And you know, he mentioned the parish. I said, "Well," and he referenced his mind, there's that priest there that I think is is good. I said, "No problem. I'll connect you." Right? So, from there, I you know, connected with with the father and but our relationship, Baron, it wasn't just uh based on faith. And I'll get some more details about how that actually played out. It was a working relationship, you know. So, we uh we were the ballot chasing partners for uh Turning Point USA. If you remember, that was like their big thing in 2024 election. It was tremendously successful. Uh they chased down ballots, low propensity voters. Charlie's group came to me and uh they said like look you guys know the Catholic world here are 2.1 million names in seven swing states can you guys run a voluntary organization that just chases bound belts we did it right and team effort and we achieved with you know grace of God the largest category Trump got elected the rest is history [snorts] but our our relationship apart from work um again we we did breakout sessions Charlie let me have uh the first ever Catholic mass at uh people's convention in Detroit that was a big win and other things like that. But we it was I most treasure is how we bounded at our faith. I would see him at you know mass daily mass. We'd found a fist pump on the way out. You know he would go to you know his headquarters. I would go to ours and we would be working. So it was a real just kind of a natural relationship that we've had. Um and you know I still believe in some you know we're we're connected from wherever he is uh up up above.>> So you you say you see him at daily mass. So you guys did you attend the same parish from time to time? Is that where you would see them at daily mass or >> absolutely and I think um and what's the context like why one of the reasons obviously you know I wanted to come on the show is I can't sit back. Okay as this clutch word seems to be like the key word they're all using now specifically with Charlie's where was he? Was he Catholic? Was he not Catholic? And you know if you're not Catholic you're watching this you may be like okay we've heard that debate like why does it actually matter? Why does it matter if he was Catholic or not? Right? Because from a as Charlie shifted towards Catholicism in his later years of his life, I know you made this point a million times on the show, that also coincided with his geopolitical shift away from a blind support for the 1948 state of Israel, hashtag Zionism. Right? The two went together. Why did they go together? Because the Catholic Church's doctrine is very clear on that matter. Charlie knew that. Okay? I he firmly believed that. And I know do you have that clip um where he talks about his faith like he wants to it's a 10-second piece because look I'm we're defending Charlie and what he wanted to be most known for. 10-second clip. Uh if I die everything just goes away. How would you if you could be associated with one thing how would you want to be remembered? I want to be I want to be remembered for for courage for my faith. That that would be the most important thing. Most important thing is my faith. >> You want to be remembered. There you go. From our friend uh Charlie for his faith. What was his faith? Right. That's pretty big deal. Okay. And you know early on it was debated. The word architecture came up early on with the clips. I think we're going to play those. Um, and I comment on each of those and it's continued into the most recent I think it was Tracy Martin who is a friend of Erica's also um, you know, put that out there. Charlie just liked the architecture. Well, let me tell you something. I wrote down eight reasons why that's completely false. The eight reasons why Charlie was Catholic. And I can go through those if, you know, one by one. But, >> well, let let me let me back up a little bit and I do want to play these clips because they they're circulating a lot. Um, you mentioned the Tracy Martin clip. I do have that one pulled up. I also have a clip of Father Klein who is a a priest there in the Scottsdale area who's come up in this conversation. Uh I got a clip of Andrew Kovette uh discussing it. We'll play all of it, but I want [clears throat] to take a step back a little more globally and explain to you why it interests me. It interests me because as I look at the death of Charlie Kirk and how did he die, who is responsible for it, not necessarily when I say how did he die, I don't mean what's the mechanism, what's the caliber round or was it something else. When I say how he died, I mean what was the motivation for removing him? And one of the things I keep coming back to is their insistent denial that Charlie had any attraction to or any um desire to be Catholic. Not that being Catholic would have been a huge problem for his salvation whether he was Catholic or not. I think most of the people um particularly Rob McCoy, I've heard him talking about it. I mean I think he looks at Catholics and says, "Yeah, they're saved. They believe in Jesus. They go to heaven.You know, we just do it differently." Uh there are a lot of people that that kind of believe that way. But from a an investment into TPUSA, I think Charlie becoming Catholic would have devastated TPUSA as a as an organization because it had such a cultural identity with this Protestant brand of Christianity. I don't care which it was. Like it doesn't bother me. I don't get all been out of shape about that. I don't get all lthered up about those things when it comes to political organizations. You know, to me it's do they profess Jesus? Okay, good. I'm I'm on their side. You know, let's for from from the sake of politics, let's just move on. We're on the same team. Let's go. But there are some people where it really bothers them. You know, they'll only support an organization led by a Catholic or they only support an organization led by a Protestant or only support a uh an led by a Jewish person or something like that. So that that's that's why this conversation interests me so well because I I look at this and I say, could this have been a reason he was killed? I don't know the answer to that. But I do want to play a couple of these recordings. I'll pull them up kind of in succession. Let's start with what I think is the biggest one. This is >> this is um Father Klein. This is the priest that uh we were discussing moments ago. Do you want to explain before I bring it on who Father Don Klene is? >> Father Klene is a very very good priest. Okay. And you know uh you ask me about that. He's going going a lot right now. His father's on death store right now. And um Father Klein is well-loved among the Scottsdale area and you know he has done many things. I mean you speak about architecture for what it's worth the parish that he oversees has some of the most beautiful architecture in the state of Arizona and and that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to raise your your mind and soul of God. Father Klein's the kind of person that 5:00 a.m. you go in the adoration chapel for Catholics or you don't know that it's a like a room where the Eucharist we believe it's the body blood soul of Christ is exposed. Father Clint beyond there on his knees at 5:00 a.m. Uh he has done many good things for the parish. Uh and I can go on and on. So I say that in in reference and I think that um you know it's always important double we can critique point everything like that but we should have double the caution when criticizing a man his life to God doesn't mean we're we we don't point out faults or whatever like that 100% but I think we be very prudent with that um on that. So this um and he's been a dear friend, right? So and but let's let's uh >> it's less than a minute here, but I want to play just a small clip of this because the [clears throat] the beginning of the video opens. I don't know who recorded this or if they had his permission to record it, but it's been out there and we played. >> No, they did. They didn't. And I really I think that was unfortunate. I think that there were better ways to handle that. You know, it was recorded. I think that the the gotch thing wasn't the best way to do. I think there could have been other ways to do that. But um that being said, well, I'll comment on what was said. Yeah, go ahead. >> Yeah, I'm going to play a short clip of it here. [clears throat] >> Uh, you know, Charlie Kirk getting murdered has been just so tragic. Um, but I guess he was he was converted to Catholicism at the end. Is that right?>> I don't know. >> People have been talking about that. So, anyway, >> I don't know those people. >> Okay. >> Who's saying that? Oh, well there's a lot of people saying that he was converting to Catholicism like at the end and he and that he attended like uh St. Bernardet, right? >> Uh yeah, he would come here for mass on occasion, but I don't know anything about any converting to Catholicism. And >> so let me pick up from there. I I I don't want to criticize a priest. I don't want to criticize a Baptist pastor. I don't want to criticize anybody, right? for the sake of their religion or or anything like that. If they if they're if they're going crazy, obviously I'm I feel like it's within my bounds to say something. But what what say you about that? Do you have a different opinion um than Father Klein when it comes to whether or not Charlie was intending to or intended to um to convert to Catholicism? One of the most precious things about Catholicism is uh that's you know it's a really it's a gift uh is the confidence that a soul when a soul approach it's a you know translates over into the protestant ministers too is that intimate um personal connection where they're able to reveal stuff to a priest and they have that sacred conscience space guarded right obviously the sacrament seal confession is like the most is the most uh uh sacred right so but in a tangential way when somebody like for instance Charlie would open up with Father Klein it's it's a realm of priestly confidence right so I could see the father's making a credential decision again credential means I could disagree with it and I'm going to tell you I actually do disagree with it uh that he's making a you know what that's between me and Charlie okay that being said you have some understanding why he might be doing that right um why do I disagree because in a certain sense you know what what are Heroes, Baron, what are heroes for? Or you know in Catholic Church we have saints. Saints are people that have gone before us. Okay. And have walked the walk, talked the talk. They in the church believe they're in heaven, you know, or and they're meant to be there to help us along our journey. So they belong to us in a certain way. You know, once a someone was a heroic lifestyle like Charlie Kirk died or did and died in a heroic way in a certain sense they no longer belong just to their parish. They no longer belong just to their family. We the feet we the American people have a right to know what his faith life was. Right? And also we play the clip. This is Charlie's own wish. I want to be remembered for my faith. Well, what was your faith? Okay. So, you know, um, agree to disagree. I mean, again, fathers, I I can see where he's coming from. Um, I disagree with him. That's okay to disagree. Right. And >> so, you disagree with him. You say you disagree with them. >> The facts are the facts are, you know, the facts speak for themselves. I mean, again, he might be he might know all this and be like, you know, I'm just going to not go into that. Fine. Okay. Now, the other reasons why Erica, for instance, or Andrew Kovit or Tracy Martin, I don't think there's any reason for that. I think it's I think it's a travesty and I think it's a lie. And I think it needs to stop because that's um if you can lie about somebody's faith and cover that up, what else are you capable of lying about?>> But let me just back up and give a a yes no if you can or or a yes no with a qualifier if you need to. In your opinion, was did he intend to become Catholic? >> Yes. >> Why do you say that? >> Well, let's look at the let's look at the reasons. Let's recap. I mean reason number one and is he not only attended weekly mass he attended daily mass okay you are required if you're a Catholic to go to Sunday mass daily mass is an option we have a man who not only went to weekly but he chose to go the extra effort of daily mass why is that number two you know the famous debate about the Catholic rosary Charlie you know in in his interview with Michael Nolles in Jan in fe February of 2025 has said three things which he said I didn't agree with the cat church about transubstantiation the holy father and our lady by the time that he died that third reason the blessed mother dev our lady was gone he was praying the rosary I had text messages where he said I I want Kath praying the rosary for the president and I sent him pictures of our lady and he said this is a wow amazing and Candace revealed to that he was praying the rosary so uh third reason he had a Catholic spiritual director that's a fact the priest was a spiritual director okay um number four he had a Catholic burial and funeral that has been substantiated. I have seen pictures. Um I didn't take pictures. So, but it was revealed to me shortly before. Maybe it'll it wind up on your show somehow of the actual ceremony of Charlie having a at a Catholic parish. Okay. That's not hearsay. That's legit. Okay. And yeah, according to Candace, and it's true, they the people who went there signed NDAs. Why would you sign NDAs about a man's faith? That's insane, right? Number five, you had Bishop Brennan. Charlie on September roughly September 5th, 4th was in Orange County, intersects with a Catholic bishop, Cath, Bishop Brennan. Run into him and he says, "I am this close to becoming Catholic." Okay. And then uh seventh reason is he died with that Catholic medal on to St. Michael. Okay. That's huge. He had that medal on. And then last but not least, and I think this is the the goes to the the will. Okay, where was his will? Where did he want to go? And I know the disagreement Tracy says otherwise about the OCIA classes. What's an OCIA class for uh um for people don't know this? It's the order of initiation for Christian adults. So if you're outside the Catholic church, you want to become Catholic, what do you do? You sign up for OCIA classes. You go through a series of uh five months of them and then on Easter vigil you're fully um become full member of the debated whether to go into this for a long time because obviously I know people that I love disagree or saying different things but in within me it's like if I don't if if I'm quiet about this very important fact these very stones will cry out referencing the gospel. This staff member told us early on that Charlie had committed to the OCIA classes and it was only a question of when to fit it into his schedule. That baron is a act of the will that's fundamental. It's baptism by desire if you will. He already was baptized but in a similar way you know this guy was committed to becoming a Catholic. He's Catholic. He died a Catholic. That's in in that way I would say. So, and and again, this is this is the last point you made is kind of the one that's been probably debated the most.It's it's did he intend to attend the OCIA or RCIA or whatever whatever it's called these days? I think it's OCIA now. It was RCIA. >> Uh did he intend to did he intend to attend the classes, sign up for the classes to become a Catholic to to do the Catholic conversion? And your staff me the staff member at St. Bernardet that you talked to said yes. >> Yes, that's correct. And that source is someone I trust more than uh Tracy uh for instance who who said something to the contrary, you know. Don't also don't get lost in the word play about well he wasn't in OCI place uh classes yet. I think that was her exact wording. I would be more specific and precise too, you know. Um and I trust honestly the staff member said it was just a question of time before or for him to work on a schedule. That's big. He had committed though. So let me >> if we're wrong about this then, you know, I think that needs to they need to be very strong against saying it's it's false. >> Oh, I'm I'm always open to correction. Like I I give my opinion. I put out what I perceive as facts. If somebody has other facts, I I will make a correction in a heartbeat if somebody >> remember this too, man. It's like the person saying that Tracy or whoever that he wasn't in an OCIA classes is the same group of people that are saying architecture was his only motivation to sit inside that church a few times a week. >> Right. >> So, you know, >> let me play the clip of you you've referenced the clip of Tracy Martin. Let me play this. Tracy Martin, for those that don't know, is the allegedly Erica Kirk's best friend. It's a little weird to me because as you'll see, um, despite her attempts to to not look much older than Erica Kirk, I I believe she is. I mean, she she strikes me as 20 plus years older than Erica, but apparently they're best friends. Here is her her take on the uh on the situation. >> Was Charlie Catholic? Was Charlie enrolled in OCIA courses and things like that? Like like >> No. And it's funny because on the conversation with Candace and I, she brought up all these things. Um, and I know it was because of my relationship with Eric, I'm sure. Um, he was not taking classes. Um, she said that people told him told her that he just liked the architecture. And so I threw myself into that because my husband's Catholic. My do my older daughter is is Eastern Orthodox Catholic. Catholic. I love going to the church to sit in it in reverence and tradition. Yes. That's literally, and again, it's not that deep. That's literally what it was. Um, so he was not Catholic. He was not um taking classes. he was doing none of those things, you know, >> and so you would you would look at that and say she's let's just give her the the the best shade of light. Maybe she's just misinformed. >> We'll go to the source. Where did she get it from? Erica. >> Yeah. >> Dear Erica, I we see you at at at mass yourself. We're hearing this. Is it really to how does that possibly sink with eight facts about his move towards Catholicism which counter the architecture um architecture gate if that's like the new way you know to phrase it that's not that's not what's adding up. So I think >> let me play one more clip. This is Andrew Kovit talking uh basically on the same question. Now this the Tracy Martin clip was relatively recently. This was several months ago. Let me play this clip of Andrew Kovit talking to Alex Clark on her podcast. the Catholics claiming him and the evangelicals claiming him.And >> was he becoming Catholic? >> No. But he really loved Catholic mass. He loved the ritual of it. Uh he loved the beauty of old Catholic churches and the stained glass. >> And him and Erica would go sometimes. >> Yeah. Well, Erica's a cradle Catholic. Uh but she ended up kind of like me. I grew up Catholic and first communion and went to Catholic high school but then I ended up becoming a Christian in college through a Protestant church through a non-denominational kind of more experience. It's actually a Presbyterian and then it was kind of non non non-denominational and and I think Erica kind of follows that same path. She >> So, so here's Andrew saying, "No, not only is is is Charlie not Catholic, but Erica's probably not even really Catholic either, which is strange to me because it it I I see a lot of this in and you may too also and and other people in other churches might like say maybe the wife is Baptist and the the husband is a non-believer, but he wants to be part of the family, so he goes to to the Baptist church with his wife." >> You wouldn't look at that man and say, "He's Baptist." But if they're both non-believers and they're going to a Baptist church, you might wonder, why are they here? You know, they they strike me as somewhat Baptist if they're both at the Baptist church. Same thing at the Catholic church. You might have one one who's Catholic and one who's atheist or one who's Catholic and one who's Presbyterian and and they go to church together to support each other, right? And I've even I've know families that have gone to two services every weekend. They'll go to the Catholic service and then afterwards they'll drive over to the First Presbyterian Church and and they they basically belong to two churches. I think I want to say is it >> they must not have kids by the way. They're going to two services. I mean that's a lot for kids. I'm impressed if they can do that. >> I want to say the Florida governor does that. I could be wrong. But it's it's somebody down there. One of the people running for office down in Florida used to do that. They they'd go to the Catholic church and then they go to the Protestant church right afterwards. But if neither of you are Catholic, what are you doing in a Catholic church? So, how do you respond to to these couple of clips? >> Uh walks like a duck, talks like a duck. It's a duck, right? You know, so I mean eight refutable reason and also personal text with Charlie as well on this matter. I mean this bridges over in our whole um uh Candace, you know, we've been connected with Candace like Catholic for Catholics, our group, which is again tries to get Catholics engaged in the fight for America. Uh when when Candace became Catholic, this was right after her famous Christ is king tweet um on the Daily Wire. Let's shout her around the world, right? she uh became Catholic and we wanted just to kind of throw her um kind of a celebration like hey welcome to our welcome to our church. We're praying for you as a sister in Christ. Okay. So we brought her to um Phoenix, Arizona. She came we had a little masser and then uh talk you can see it online and I remember I was looking through this now just before the show texting Charlie about this specific uh event. Right. So this is May 2024 and uh I I sent him the flyer right here for the for our event and he said very cool right away.And then I told him, I said, "Uh, Charlie, every day, uh, uh, we pray for you in adoration so that you, so that because I told him, you're more Cath the pope." That was a, we had kind of a crazy pope back then. And we can't wait for the day we're going to throw a similar party. And then he responded right away. He says, "Just between us, I tried uh, I've been trying to see my priest and uh, don't share anything, but I'm interested in becoming Catholic, right? And thank you for your prayers. I love Catholicism." So that's that's a pretty big deal, man, for a statement that of valition from this individual on that. So I I think it just sinks with what we have seen and I'm confused about why they're trying to obiscate this or cover up with a lie. I >> I'm a little confused by it as well. Um but I I feel like, you know, we we've we sort of beat that part. Let me go forward to his death because there's there was an issue where uh I know Milo Yiannopoulos got on Timcast and said he was 100% sure Charlie had not been buried. He was confused by that. Uh it would be confusing if he wasn't. What What do you know about whether Charlie had a funeral? Um and and what what sort of form that took? I wasn't the one that, you know, it's not like breaking news that there was a cath has been reported by other sources, right? Um, it's Candace and others have confirmed. So, they have their sources who say that. Um, I can add to that that I have actually seen pictures of the the people gathering for the funeral at a Catholic parish. And, uh, also I have seen pictures of the burial of the ceremony at the actual Catholic cemetery as well. So again, uh, you know, I could see from from one point of view how they might want to protect, uh, you know, just the Paris identity and safety and all that kind of stuff, but you know, why are we why are we sitting on this? It's it should be it should be a special thing, you know, that we that we celebrate in this regard. And I don't understand. >> Yeah. I I don't either. I mean, that's it's it's it's very bizarre to me. And and maybe it's because I I'm a Catholic convert and I don't view it as a particularly massive deal, right? I mean, it's it's it's a big deal and that I I I do believe in the Catholic faith and I I took it seriously enough to to pursue it and lost friends over it and had people take me to lunch and tell me I was going to hell and all that. I mean, I've heard it all. Um, and [clears throat] then I've I've been very active Catholic since then. I Some of my commenters don't like it and they ask me questions about it, but I I don't mind. I'll answer any question anybody asked me to the extent I know. Um, but I'm I'm a little I'm just very confused by this this just desire to to say they won't even say he's buried because they don't want to say he's in a Catholic cemetery. Like that that is so weird to me. Like we we would rather you think we've just got him propped up by the jukebox than to think he then you guys might think 5 months later he's lying in in the ground somewhere because it's a Catholic cemetery. And we don't want you to know that. It's just a very like cultlike almost almost a deeply dishonest approach to to this man's life. And then they turn around and accuse us of of dishonoring his legacy or dishonoring his life or attacking this or talking attacking that. I'm like, you guys won't even say he's buried. You won't even tell people he's he's in rest. Um that bothers me.That bothers me a little bit. Um I do want to I do want to say this since you're here. Uh I'm a big believer in what you guys are doing at Catholic for Catholics. I know you're having the event where Candace is speaking. We have a lot of fans of hers in the audience. Tell us a little bit about your event. When is it? Where is it? And um if people wanted to go, they wanted to see Candace speak live. Matt Walsh also committed to speak live. Um and some others. Um is it is it Michael Flynn one of the speakers? >> General Michael Flynn. Yep. Former national security adviser. Um and uh priest and a religious nun. and uh some more surprises that we got coming about speakers. But yeah, it's look, you know, yeah, we're we're an activist group, right? We we get engaged uh on political cultural stuff, but at the end of the day, it is about prayer, right? So, our yearly event, our senator event is called Catholic Prayer for America, right? And this year, it's it's in DC for the 250th anniversary. It's a major event. And yes, we've uh invited Candace has accepted an invitation to come. This is her first public appearance since for like two years and the last time she she spoke was actually our at our welcome home mass. So she's coming and and of course you better believe it. It's drawn the the eyeire and attention of a lot of people. And you know Baron as I was debating and and praying about whether you know how this would all fit in and the push back we would no doubt get should uh this this warrior uh Candace come and speak our event. I honestly thought about Charlie. I mean, like literally, it's just surreal, man. It's like he was literally having the same kind of thought process. What was it? August uh July August of this past year of will I invite Candace Owens to Anfest? And it was it was almost surreal. I was like, whoa, like I get what you I get to a small degree what you were going through, right? And you we you know we went ahead we went max uh and brought her on and of course we've received a ton of blowback and I really think um for there's several reasons I mean obviously she's talking about you know who's really behind the Charlie Kirk assassination um but it's also a fronting that element of Zionism. Okay. And we did you guys cover the the whole Carrie Pan thing with being fired from the religious liberty commission or not so much? >> We did just in passing. We did just in passing. Um the the the the only thing we covered about it was she's a Catholic. She was challenging that that you don't have to be a Zionist to be a Christian and for that was removed off of uh removed off of >> Yeah. And and this false equating that oh my gosh if if you don't believe that we have a biblical mandate to support the 1948 state of Israel as many Catholic Christians believe you don't have that then that's not the same as saying you're anti-semitic. Okay. I mean obviously anti-semitism is wrong which just hatred of the Jews. We don't have it. Right. So Carrie Bzon was on this religious liberty commission. Okay. This is the the group that President Trump started under the DOJ uh and has had some great initiatives like they announced the the America praise campaign back in September to bring prayer back to America. And uh you know they had they have had a series of hearings and one of the last hearings that had fireworks all over it was specifically when it was on anti-semitism right and Carrie was speaking up.In fact he was trying to have a Jewish rabbi come to the floor and say hey you know we love America more than we love the nation state of Israel and we feel like secondass Jews. She tried to get their voices heard on the religious liberty commission. They stopped her. Okay. And then there's the fireworks. They kind of debate back and forth. And you know, the next day she's booted off the commission. Why? Because they were saying she's anti-Semitic or whatever. Okay. So, we saw this happening and Candace actually let me know about it. And I was like, "Okay, you know, what are we going to do? Everyone's dog piling on this girl. Um, and she's former former Miss California and uh she's removed." And we just took a step. You know what? This this is stopped. This bullying has stopped. Charlie hated this bullying, right? that famous clip where he said, "I I'm done with people like pressuring me not to have people on my thing for their beliefs." So, we said, "You know what? We're gonna give Carrie an award." Okay, we're going to give her a word at our event March 19th in DC at the Catholic Prayer for America that sent Mark Levin, Laura Loomer, and everybody else up in arms and coming down our throats for a prayer event, right? But, you know, so this event, it's special. It's unique. It's um and I think uh uh you know, I encourage we've had tremendous response. Yeah, we got a lot of negative feedback, but you know, there's the silent majority. The silent majority is barely understanding truth. >> Is there a website they can go and get in more information and and grab a ticket? >> In the show notes, uh cfc.com and then uh there's a code Baron uh and take a $100 off your ticket purchase and >> with one R. >> Baron with one R. Yeah, >> exactly. >> $100 off. I'm worth $100. >> I like up, man. I should up. Yeah, it's a [laughter] Yes, you are. Yes, you are, sir. Um, >> I like that. >> So, and we encourage you and even if you can't be there just to to to bring this uh to be united with us on that on that day. So, it's an important day for, you know, us as a country and a group. >> Well, John, yep. I appreciate you stopping by. Catholics for Catholics. If you guys aren't familiar with him, um, and and, uh, like what he has to say, jump in there, check him out, and, um, John, appreciate you uh, appreciate you taking the time to stop by with us. >> Keep up the great work, Baron. Appreciate this. and and uh yeah, we're uh we're avid listeners of your show and uh wish you the best of luck. All right, guys. Um so, we've got we've got another segment to go. We got another segment to go. I have to clean up I have to clean up. I appreciate John for stopping by. John's a good guy. I have to clean up um a little bit of a timeline that we have begun to put together. I was talking to uh Mrs. Coleman about it. I was talking to Mrs. Coleman and I said, "Mrs. Coleman, [clears throat] are you following the timeline with Lorie Fron and all that? And she's like, no, I don't really follow the timeline. So, I want to go through this real quickly and I want to pull up a few little bits of news and information as I go through this because I think Lorie France is going to play a greater and greater role in my opinion in Candace's story as she continues to go on.Um, and so I want to I want to bring up a few things here and run you through run you through sort of the life and times of Lori France because it's a little confusing and I think it'll I think it'll benefit all of us. It certainly benefited me to run through my little uh Lori France file. So Lori France was born in 1950. She was in Washington Psylvania. That's far western Pennsylvania right outside of Pittsburgh. She was born Loretta an Abbas Abbas. You might recognize the name if you follow geopolitics. The leader of the Palestinian Authority in uh in the West Bank is Makmoud Abbas. Same last name. Same last name. Abbas. Loretta Anne Abbas. Her parents uh Joseph and Angelina Boss. I have some photos, believe it or not, of our dear friend Loretta. So, let me show you uh some some high school yearbook photos here. This is Loretta Abbas as a freshman. This is Loretta Abbas as a sophomore. I have Loretta Abbas as a junior. Believe it or not, she's over here on the left hand side right there. And I have Loretta Abbas as a senior. There's Loretta Abbos as a senior. So, um it it's interesting me to me to go from freshman to to senior. Uh, she's a different looking individual. Don't ever email that email address. It'll get you blocked for life for my emails. By the way, by the way, uh, I block everyone who emails that email address. You email [email protected]. That's the way we do it. It's a kind of a group effort we have here. All right. Now, after she graduates from high school, she says in her senior yearbook she wants to go to Millerdrawn Business College in Ohio. Well, she does. She does. And she ends up in Ohio and she ends up married. She ends up married to a guy named not France. No, no, no. We're not there yet. Don't you don't get ahead of yourselves. She ends up married right here to James Stanley, 22 years old, and Loretta Anne Abbas, 19 years old. Both of Cincinnati. This is the marriage licenses for Campbell County. I will submit to you because we've pulled the marriage license uh or Daisy pulled the marriage license. Uh, she was married May 9th of 1969. About seven or so months later, and you do the math. You do the math here. I'm not going to do the math because I don't want to be pointing things out that I shouldn't be pointing out, but she's married in May to a woman named Tanya. She is now born as Tanya Stanley, but she is later, I believe, adopted. Almost positive she's adopted. Um, and is uh born on 5th of December 1969. So, we don't we listen and we don't judge. We listen and we don't judge. But she parents married in May. She's born in December 1969. Uh, the fact that her father is listed as Kent Randall France, who she did not meet for another 13 years probably means that Kent France was not the actual donor that contributed half of her DNA. Rather, it probably means that there was an abortion, not an abortion, excuse me, an adoption. Gosh, [clears throat] that came out all wrong, ladies and gentlemen. I won't say that again. All right, so that's that brings us up. So that's the older sister. That's the older sister. So we're in 1969. We're in 1969. We fast forward just four years. We fast forward just four years and there's a divorce. There's a divorce. Uh Loretta Stanley gets divorced from James Stanley right here. And the cause, if you look here, is listed as extreme cruelty. Now, I'm not making lie to that. That's not that's not funny. I just never seen it.I've never seen it listed in a divorce record a day in my life. That's just how it was written and I'm just showing you what it is. But so what you have here is a three and a halfyear-old daughter. You now have Loretta Stanley who's divorced from James Stanley. I don't know where I mean, frankly, Daisy probably does, but I don't know where James Stanley goes after that. I I did not track him down anymore after that. And then eight months later, eight months later, so she was she was divorced in May of 1973. And then in December of 1973, there's your December date right there, 1973, she is remarried. She gets remarried to a guy named John Waldd. John Waldd. So again, she is uh this is her second marriage. She brings in a um to this marriage, she brings in a 4-year-old little girl. I make no conclusions about, oh, it was only 8 months and all that. I don't know her situation. I don't know anything about that. I'm just pointing out the timeline. I'm just showing you the timeline as things as things add up here. So that drives us from her birth in 1950 up to her now she's 23 years old. She's got a three or four year old little girl and she is uh now on her second marriage. If um if you go to the actual marriage license itself, if you go to the actual marriage license itself, it points out that she has a marriage from a or a child from a previous marriage. And it mentions Tanya right here. So this is showing Tanya age three. This is the certificate of marriage here to John Waldd. And it mentions that she was previously married to James Stanley and has little Tanya here in tow in tow. Now notice there's no Kent France yet. We've not gotten to that part yet. We've not gotten to that part. So now we fast forward a few years. Now we fast forward a few years. I want to switch from Lori for just a moment over to Erica's father, Kent Kent France, because believe it or not, I had this lined up before uh Candace's show today, but Kent France buys a house in 1978 with uh Jerry France, his wife at the time, Jerry France. They bought this house uh April 10th of 1978 and it's in Arizona. So here is automatically already very early on a family tied to Arizona 10 years before Erica Kirk is born. And I raised that because if you listen to Erica tell her narrative, if you listen to Erica tell her story, it's as if everything took place on the East Coast and her family grew up in Cincinnati and everything was taking place over there and then her mom just happened upon Arizona for for whatever reason, chasing a government contract. She said she had a uh a uh a mentor over there in Arizona. But the reality is Kent France already had a life in Arizona. There was already a life in Arizona in Maricopa County. That's where Phoenix is. That's the only reason I bring that up. Only reason I bring that up is just to kind of point out that this is already happening. Now 1978, while Kent, who she I'm guessing doesn't know yet, is making a life for himself and his new wife Jerry in Arizona, Lori takes up working at General Electric. You'll notice this right here, June of 1978, Lorie France takes up working for General Electric. Now, I will submit to you this all likelihood was General Electric in Minnotonka, Minnesota. They made um they made uh I want to say valves, but that's kind of a if you've been following the Charlie Kirk story, you say someone makes valves, all of a sudden there's a CIA connection. They made membranes. They made water filtration membranes.So, this is Lorie France. This is her LinkedIn 1978 to 19 uh 94. For 16 years and 4 months, she worked at General Electric at the time. in 1978. I believe she was in Minnatonka, Minnesota. We'll follow her and see where else she goes here in just a moment. Now, we just showed you that in April of 1978, Kent France was buying a house with Jerry. Less than one year later, in March of 1979, this is a clip from the divorce records. This is Jerry and Kent's divorce as recorded in the divorce records. Jerry L and Kent R were getting divorced in March of 1979. So, they bought a house in April of 78, they get divorced in 1979. Why do I bring that up? Because Lorie France then gets divorced less than or just over a year later in May of 1980. This is her second divorce. So she is um living in I believe working at the Minnotonka place. This is a divorce record out of Minnesota's Department of Health, which would bolster my position that she was at the time living in the Minneapolis area working at um working at the Minnotonka location. But I don't know. But this is John R. Waldd and Lorie A. Waldd getting divorced in 1980 at the age of 30. And so now you have Lori Waltodd with an 11-year-old little girl, 10 or 11 year old little girl, Tanya, and she's been divorced twice. You have Kent France, he's been divorced once. France is living in Arizona. She's So what's the next thing we know? There's allegedly a marriage. I know everyone I know working on this case has tried to find this marriage record and nobody can find it. We're all coming up aces on this. But Lori allegedly married Kent France November 7th of 1982. They they had a divorce decree. Typically to get a divorce the judge has to see your marriage certificate. So I'm assuming one exists. So that's Lor's third marriage. This would be in 1982. She's 32 years old. I don't I wish I could pull something up and show you. I don't have it. I don't I have the deed to her house that she and Kent bought the next year. No longer in Minnesota is she. She is now in Marblehead, Massachusetts. This is the house they bought right here at 66 Overlook Road in Marblehead, Massachusetts. They paid $115,000 for it. That's a hefty sum. That's a hefty sum back then. That's real money. There's a beautiful neighborhood right on the coast in in Massachusetts on the north side of Boston, just across the bay from Salem, Massachusetts. It's a very very nice house. Somebody's making a little money. Somebody has a little money to spend here to have $115,000 at this you know, she's she's had a pretty good job, I guess, at GE since 1978. This is four or five years into that. Now, there is a GE plant near here in Lynn, Massachusetts. Remember, if you go back to her LinkedIn profile, she was still working with General Electric at this time. So, she started in June 1978. By 1983, she's still working with General Electric. Well, if she's still working with General Electric and she went from Minnesota to Massachusetts, it only makes sense to me that she transferred from the Minnitonka plant that made membranes to the Massachusetts plant in Lyn, Massachusetts that made jet engines. They make they make uh engines that power aircraft, helicopters and jets and stuff like that. So this is just again just a walk through Lorie Fronfay's life so that we have a better understanding of who this woman is who allegedly, you know, fought, scrapped, and raised Erica Kirk basically solo. But that was her that was her deed.So that was her moving in with Kent after the alleged marriage in November of 1982 that nobody can find. And then just three years later, three years later, here's a record where they sell the house in 1985. They sell the house in 1985. Um, right here for $195,000 in October of 1995 right there. So, they made a pretty penny on they made 80 grand on it in three years. That's a pretty nice deal. That's a pretty nice deal right there. Um, okay. So, we've gotten all the way Tanya by this time is 15, 16 years old. Kent is living in the h in the house. I'm assuming at some point in here, and I don't have it, but I'm assuming at some point in to Ohio because from 1985 to 1997, there are records to suggest they live in Ohio in the Cincinnati area. 1988. go back to the LinkedIn real quick. 1988 Lori leaves General Oh, no. Stays at General Electric. This is This is never quite understood. She's still working at General Electric in 1988. Allegedly, according to her LinkedIn, she's still at General Electric, but she switches over and is now working also, it looks like, at Cincinnati Bell. I don't know what she's doing for him. I don't know if it's a consulting gig on the side, but she's leading the ISO 9000 effort uh as the lead auditor in Australia, This threw up a huge red flag to me because I've long wondered when did this woman transition into the military contracting business? Because living in Marblehead, Massachusetts at and working at the Lynn, Massachusetts GE plant doesn't really lend itself to, you know, flipping into the the intel business. You remember she was listed a few episodes ago, we showed you where she was listed in an NSA database full of spies. So, or full of people with contracts with the National Security Agency. So, at what point do you go from, you know, working at General Electric to being even available to be discovered to go into working into some sort of national security industry? I would suggest it's this right here, this ISO 9000. You might have heard it as ISO 90001. 9001's the the how to get But if you're the lead auditor and you're in Australia, Germany, England, and the Netherlands, we talked about the Netherlands. If you if you spent time in the Netherlands, there's a high likelihood you've been exposed to spies. I don't know. It doesn't mean you're a spy, but it means you talked to them whether or not you knew they were. The Netherlands is just a spy territory. That's all it is. Foreign workers in the Netherlands, a lot of them are spies. So, this would be the time in my opinion in Lor's life when she would would she would get that approach if if indeed she ever got the approach. But at some point, this is this is that time in my opinion when I saw Australia, Germany, England, and Netherlands, I thought ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. I can't prove anything based on this one little line on her LinkedIn, but I can sure speculate that there she definitely ran across some people along this along this time period right here. Definitely absolutely ran across some people in this time period right here. So, she's flipped over. She's either switched to working exclusively for Cincinnati Bell or is working simultaneously with GE and Cincinnati Bell. Her LinkedIn is unclear. Regardless, it's this same time period. The same time period. She starts working Cincinnati Bell in September 1988.She would have been like 7 months pregnant when she flipped over there because Erica Kirk was born on 20th of November, 1988. So, she would have been and then went and looked at some other records in Ohio. This is a this is an open record source, so it's not like we're we're outing anything. And she's been very clear about what her birthday it is on Wikipedia, so I'm not like I'm outing anything here. But I went and I looked at this gap, this 15-16 day gap between the 20th of November of 88 and the 5th of December of 88 when the birth was registered. And I'll submit to you that's a little longer of a gap than exists in nearly every other record that's reported in And I of course my mind begins to wander because that's what good investigatory work does. It looks for patterns and when it sees a break in the pattern, it stops and goes, "Wait a minute. Why is there a break in that pattern? Uh Tanya, for example, her older sister, her birth was on one day and I think her registration was like 5 or 6 days later. It this goes on over and over in the records. It's usually less than a week lag. 3 days, 5 days, 6 days, 3 days, 4 days, 5 days, 7 days, 6 days, 4. A 15, 16 day gap is a little unusual. I don't know what that means. You guys might know what that means. You guys might have some uh some knowledge of what that means. I don't know what that means. I'm just pointing out the gap. It's a little unusual. It's a little bit of an unusual gap, but nevertheless, this is what's going on in Lor's life. Her older sister is now 19 years old, Tanya, her halfsister, Eric, uh Lorie's other daughter, who appears to have been adopted by Kent. So, I guess a full sister in that respect. Half biological sister, but full sister legally. Uh is now 19 years old. It's 1988. Erica's just arriving on the scene. And then we have this. And I'm going to play a little clip here because gives us a little bit of a a timeline. It gives us a little bit of a timeline of what happens after this 1988 event here. So, here is a clip of Erica Kirk talking in 2020 with her Fergie Bump to two podcasters. And I don't even know what these people do. Calvary conversations. I guess they have some access to the Calvary Chapel movement. But let's listen to how she describes moving to Arizona >> Church with my mom. Um it was her raising me. So it was we were out here, moved out here when I was five, then my dad followed. But we would always go to church together. And I remember seeing because she was an entrepreneur and I remember seeing her work endless hours um with her company. And on Sunday, we would be sitting in the pew. I never went to the kids portion of church. I was always with her and the adult portion. And I remember every time when the tithing um tithing portion of the church came up and she would always write a check. And >> the important part was right off the bat. I just didn't want to play like an 8-second clip. She moved in n in when she was five. She said she moved to Arizona and then her dad followed and it was her mom who was raising her. That was the story there. I moved when I was five, then my dad followed. It was my mom raising me. I'll submit to you the only part of that that was true was that she moved there when she was five. I do believe that. I think they moved there in around 1993, 1994. Right in that right in that era somewhere. But I don't I don't believe that her dad then followed.her parents didn't get divorced for six years after like it's, you know, like I I I'll use my own personal life. My parents divorced when I was very young. I still to this day don't know how old they were when I divorced. I have no idea. Um I could have been two. I could have been four. I know it was before I have like solid memories of life, right? I don't have a li I don't have a memory of them being married. I don't have a memory of living together. So, it had to be before I was like five. But by the time I was 11, like I have core memories. I knew every word to Vanilla Ice is Ice Ice Baby by the time I was 11. Like, if my parents didn't divorce till I was 11, I would not But that's that's what the records show. And we'll get there in just a second. But I'm doing this on a timeline. I'm doing this on a timeline. Lori leaves. Let me go back to this here. 1994, Lori leaves both jobs. She was working at Cincinnati Bell and working at GE, according to her LinkedIn. Now, maybe she'd left GE and just got the dates wrong. I don't know. Um, but it's, you know, I I believe she still worked at GE because there was a People magazine report that said that she had worked at GE for nearly two decades. In 16 years, I guess could be considered nearly two decades. So, I guess I don't know if she was working at both places or how that worked, but whatever. By 1994, she's not working at either place. She's left both positions. She's no longer at Cincinnati Bell. She's no longer at General Electric. She's moved to Arizona. Erica says she moved to Arizona. to pursue government contracting because she had this opportunity. She had somebody who was kind of a mentor out there. She was a little vague about that. We'll take a guess in just a second who that mentor was. But I want to show this gap that has arisen in Lor's resume here. There's a gap that exists because she leaves General Electric and leaves Cincinnati Bell in 1994 and then there's nothing else listed on the LinkedIn page from 1994 to 2003. That's a 9-year gap. And before we've had no indication of what she was doing during those nine years. Now, we know she was still married to Kent France for the next five years. But we've got no indication of what it was she was doing during those five years except Daisy dug up this one piece of information and it gives us a little idea a little idea of maybe who this mentor was that she was moving to Scottsdale, Arizona to see. said her dad had a men her mom had a mentor in Arizona. Here is the name of perhaps your mentor. Lawrence Ginta. Lawrence Ginta who lives in Scottsdale, Arizona files for a patent at the United States Patent and Trademark Office. And other listed names on the patent are Lorie France right there. That's another listed name on the P. So She's working at Cincinnati Bell or she's working at GE or she's working at both. She leaves to move to Scottsdale, Arizona to pursue government contracting. There's this 9-year gap on her resume where she doesn't appear to be working anywhere. She doesn't say she's working anywhere, but there's this one record that gives us some kind of idea that in 1994, at least December 8th of 1994, she's listed on a patent with Larry Ginta, on a patent application with Larry Ginta. So, it's possible that the mentor she was going to see was Larry Ginta. We'll talk in a minute about why that might matter.Um 1995, I won't pull the record up, but in 1995 after they leave, after um Erica and her mother leave for Scottsdale, Arizona, her older sister Tanya gets married, she takes the last name Seagris. She marries a guy named Carl Seagris. So Seagris is not an Erica France family name. It's her halfsister, full sister by adoptions husband's family. That's the seagris. She's ageed 25 at this point. She gets married. 1997 that um if I can find the filing here. Here we go. It's in 1997 that Lori first opens a company called AZec. This is the actual filing of that. This is AZTech right here. This is filed on the 11th day of August 1997. Um, this is filed by uh the incorporator here, but this is her company. This is uh Lorie Fronface company. There's her signature right there. She's the statutory agent for a tech. It's interesting to me this was filed in Cincinnati, Ohio, though. Remember, she moved to Arizona to get into the government contracting business. She moves to Arizona in 1993 or 1994 when Eric is just 5 years old. But when she goes to open a business three years later and it's called a tech, meaning I I would guess Arizona, like AZ, the state twoletter initial for initial for Arizona. She goes back and files it under her old address in Cincinnati, Ohio. You know who was living in that address I think Kent France was living there. I'm pretty sure I'm right about that. And it throws a whole wrench into this narrative that Lorie France was sort of this boss babe mom, hardworking entrepreneurial type, didn't need a man, married four times, you know, CEO and left and right, filing patents, traveling the world, getting into the government contracting space. But three years after she moves to Arizona, she opens a business and uses as the home address for that business her dad's address in in Ohio. And And so I I get this weird kind of I can't add this up. I cannot make what Erica is saying make sense. It doesn't make sense to me that oh the dad came later and oh my mom raised me and oh but your mom was opening businesses at your dad's house in Cincinnati and they were still married. It doesn't sound like she left Kent France in 1994 and went to Arizona. It sounds like they very much still had some kind of relationship going on. I don't know too many people that leave their husband and then open a business at their house at their husband's house. It I I've not seen it in practice. I've never encountered it in the wild. Whether or not it happened here, I don't know. I I can't make sense of it. I wish I could make sense of it. I can't make sense of it. I wish I had some sort of story where I'm saying, "And here's what it means." I don't know. I know what it doesn't mean. It I know what it doesn't mean. It It means that Erica's story is not right. I do know that the story Erica is telling is inaccurate. Now, whether it's because she was five, eight years old and doesn't know and just hearing family lore and wasn't paying attention to her mom's filings, I'm open to that. I'm open to that. But I know it's not right. I know it's not right. Uh, shortly after that, shortly after she opens the business in Ohio, AZ, Larry Ginta and Lori file a new patent. This patent is filed. The application date April 6th, 1998. The publication date is July of 2000. Keep in mind, she is still married to Kent France at this moment. Her business is still headquartered legally incorporated But she's opening the patents with Larry Ginta.This is her second patent they've they've filed together. She goes to Arizona because there's some mentor there. That's what those are Erica's words, not mine. She wanted to get into the defense contractor space. Wanted to work for government. Had a mentor out there. It's starting to look to me like the mentor was Larry Gita. That's the only one I can find her doing 1998, she buys a house. Keep in mind, she's still married, but she buys a house. She is an unmarried woman, it says, but that's not accurate. She's quite married at this point. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but this is not accurate. She buys a house as an unmarried woman, but she is very much married. Um, because she's not not been divorced. She's still married to to Ken France who lives in the house where her business is headquartered in Ohio, but that's neither here nor there, I guess. Uh, April 7th of 1998 is the the recording, the file stamp date up here. And just in case you need to look at the whole thing, this is it. But this is the deed to that house. And then three days after that, you might say, well, they had a separation agreement in place. No, they didn't. No, they didn't. On on April 7th when she signed that paperwork, there was no separation agreement in place because here is the separation agreement in here. This separation agreement was signed 3 days after she bought the house in um on se uh right there, April 10th of 1998. April 10th of 1998. This is the um I guess the amendment to the separation agreement, but they was all filed at the exact same time. I don't know what to make of this. Like it's it's it's very weird to me. This whole thing is very very weird to me. It's clear to me this Larry Ginta is very much a part of Lor's life. perhaps as early as 1994, about the time she up and leaves Cincinnati, up and leaves Kent France and heads to Scottsdale. It it looks like they're already filing things together, and it wouldn't be that strange except here is the record of where they end up getting married. This is her fourth marriage to Larry Gita, Lawrence Gita right there. A couple of years after her divorce is final, 7 years after the first patent application, seven years after she's moved to Arizona to see to be near her mentor. And again, the only person I can find her doing any business with whatsoever between 1994 and 19 and 2001 is Larry Ginta. That's Now, what happened to her dad? Because in 2003, her dad shows up on the scene with a purchase of a property here uh with Charlyn France France. Um and this is dated um where's the date on this? This was dated What is the date I have on this? September of 2003. September of 2003. I don't know if this is the first time dad moved out there or not. He had connections to Arizona before. You remember he lived in the Phoenix area before, but that's dad and new stepmom Charlotte. And again, it's it's about this time. I don't remember if you guys remember the episode from the Sweet Life, but it's about this time that Lorie Fran starts showing up with strange things in her past that don't make sense. like this joint service achievement medal for classified operations during operation enduring freedom and operation Iraqi freedom where you had to be in the military in order to qualify for this medal. So we've got this long gap where it doesn't look like she's working anywhere. It's about nine years. She filing a few patents but there's no like resume entry. There's no job.There doesn't appear to be any contracts associated with it. There's this 9 to 10 year gap where Lor's doesn't seem to be making any money. I don't know. Is she sponging off of Larry Ginta? Is he a high roller in this time? I don't know. They weren't married for another seven years We get this weird gap. Again, I if you hear Erica tell the story, her mom was like this headstrong CEO type, leading her own business, very entrepreneurial. There should be business records to support that. There aren't any. The only thing we have is a single And then in 2007, as we're moving our way through this, four years after Charlene and Kent buy a house in Arizona together, that's when the family officially registers Everyday Heroes Like You. And underneath that that banner of Everyday Heroes Like You, Erica starts throwing every type of charity you can possibly think of. You've got uh the Romanian Angels. You had some dog walking thing or some dog event or I I don't know what it was. There's this series of strange um charities that Erica claims she's she has and none of them seem to make any money because if you look up Everyday Heroes like you on the IRS website, they've never filed a 990. They've never made more than $50,000 in revenue. But it's the year after the charity opens, the 2008 year after the charity opens. And again, this is going back to previous episodes. But you remember when she this like flood of government contracts comes flooding in through a tech or E3 tech or whatever. She start that's when she starts hitting the contract lottery. It was the year after the everyday heroes like you opens up. The year after they start having this excuse to fly over to Romania a And there was a couple years after that when the leak comes out and all of a sudden Erica's mom is in this CIA NSA leak that has, you know, hundreds of contacts within the CIA and NSA industry. And right square in the middle of it is Lori France. Again, we played that in the previous episode. This episode's getting long. I don't want to keep pulling stuff up. But I I say all of this like I mean I bring all this up not to bash Erica for anything her mom did. But I bring it up to point out that when there are major plot holes in a story, don't blame us if our minds wander. Don't blame us if we start to ask what what do these plot holes represent? Why are they exist? What are they doing here? What did your mom do for 9 years when she doesn't list anything on LinkedIn and she appears to have no government contracts, but she's in the government contracting business? What is she doing? And and and what did she do in order to win a joint service medal that requires but I think you might at the end of this episode have a better understanding of who Lorie France is. We've talked about her before. We've gone through her businesses before, but we've never really detailed everything we have in our file as far as what her life is like, what what kind of life did she live, who were these people, where was she living when, where was she working, what was she doing there? And I hope you have a better understanding that that's that was my purpose in going through this, just to give you a better understanding of of Lori Fon because what it I can't tell you what it says. is I can tell you what it doesn't say. What it doesn't say is that Erica's story is accurate.When Erica tells the story of her mom, this And she can't tell this story because if she tells this story, she has to say basically my mother moved to Arizona and then didn't do anything for nine years, but somehow we lived this great life and I went to private schools and we traveled all over the It doesn't it doesn't make sense. It doesn't add up. It's something's missing. There's a gap. There's a gap. There's a hole in Now, I saw somebody ask a question that I've been investigating. And we may get to that at some point. We may get to that at some point. Let me run through some of your chats here and uh hopefully I can answer some of the questions for you. Hi Baron. During the State of the Union, the camera focused on the question IQ questionable IQ. Mark Kelly, senator from Arizona. Have you considered a deep dive into the attempted uh SSS of his wife Gabby Gford? No, I haven't. I've never really looked into it. I was the guy's Laughofner. Was that his name? Jared Laughofner. Lochner. Laughofner. L O U G H N R I think it was. Um the the image his his mug shot is seared into my head, but I've never taken the time to actually break down and look into it. That might not be a bad idea. Ah, thank you. I freaked out when Candace showed Bush and Reagan. My husband guarded them. He said Reagan was squared away and Bush was a weirdo. [laughter] He was more than a weirdo. Weirdo was a very kind way to put what George Bush was. A very kind way. Thank you both for your very uh generous contributions to the program. Hey Barry, my wife loves watching your show. Today is her birthday. Can you wish a happy birthday to Amanda? Happy birthday Amanda. I hope it's going swimmingly. Hope it's amazing. Uh it's quite telling the lack of grief is so blatant that it has some concluding that Charlie must not be dead. Jesse's they're aliens or he's alive theory may be correct if aliens equals demons. Let me say this about Jesse's theory. Um I've watched all his episodes. I like Jesse. I like Um, I don't, and I told him this the other day. I talked to him the other day and I told him this. I don't believe he's right that Charlie's alive. But I I I do believe he's finding some really interesting inconsistencies and highlighting them. And if they're not answered to anyone's satisfaction, it becomes obvious. It becomes easy. Let me say that, not obvious. it becomes easy to start making conclusions and let your mind just run wild to the craziest place and the craziest place might end up in he's My mind is not there. I've not gotten there. And I I told him that and I said I I like your work. I I think I do think he's an insanely talented broadcaster. I think he's very good at what he does. Um we just disagree on that. We just disagree on that. Oh, let me tell you real quickly. I need to remind you a couple things. One is Sunday's show is probably going to be absolutely wild. Probably going to be the wildest show I've done yet. So, be on the lookout for that notification. You do not want to miss Sunday's show. And I'll let you know when I put the link up if it's not going to be wild because the headline will be a giveaway that the wildness is coming. If it's just a tame headline, a normal headline, then say he apparently was told he couldn't go forward with the story, but it's going to be wild. Um, so that's number one. Number two, like, subscribe, click notifications, all that good stuff. Don't make me come over here and chastise you for low low like levels.Oh, it's pathetic. 7500. Oh. Oh. Oh. Another not another announcement. Announcement number three. So, Sunday's going to be wild. Like, subscribe, all that good stuff. Uh, click notifications. Number three, the merch is so close to ready. So close to ready. I can almost feel the hoodie. I can almost feel it. I can almost sip out of the mug. That's unsweet tea, by the way. Or it's a watered down version of it. It was Turn my mic off while I crunch it. All right. Uh, the merch is very close and it is awesome. It is awesome. Okay. But I I don't I don't I don't agree with Jesse's conclusion, but I do think he's doing good work highlighting weirdnesses that have to be answered. Anyone catch co and EK's mom was Syrian Lebanese? Yeah, we've talked about that. You must watch Candace more closely than you watch your humble host. I mean, maybe a little hurt by that little. I mean, we've mentioned it EK said on Megan Kelly in December, Syrian Italian. She also told her she went to their boys and girls club every day after school and Charles Barkley was her first basketball coach. More lies. [clears throat] Wasn't Charles Barkley still in the NBA back then? When did Charles Barkley retire? So Erica would have been 12. And if she played in as she was a good basketball player. Like her her numbers in high school are legit. Um I think she scored like 17 a game. She she was a player. If uh if that's accurate, Charles Barkley probably wasn't her first basketball coach, but I'm willing to I'm willing to accept. I mean, he did play H um but yeah, this I I don't know any Italian in her bloodline that I can find unless actually There's a Well, I have to go into that another day. I don't have time for that, right? Uh, but thank you. Thank you. Uh, shock could explain body hanging out of car. Couldn't bend legs and a shirt puff movement. Sent email. 3:36 p.m. yesterday. Yeah, you guys don't have to tell me when your emails were sent. Uh, if you sent them, they're they're being monitored. Um, I don't know how shock could account for the shirt puff movement. I'll have to check your email. Uh, during State of the Union, EK smiled when DJT said CK was violently murdered. Smiled like it I didn't catch that. Um, I did see her get grief mogged, which was bizarre. She she could not have been seated in a worse place honestly because the president of the United States looks up there after talking about Charlie Kirk and she does her like little weird thing she does and then he moves directly from Erica to the mother of the girl. Do you remember the mother of the girl on the train in Charlotte, North Carolina who just violently butchered? It was horrific. It causes national outrage as it should. But that mom had legit grief. Holy I would say by comparison, Erica did not. But again, as she reminded us herself, everyone grieavves differently. You know what I'm saying? Uh, I hope you had a nice day yesterday because you were really missed. I I did actually. As a matter of fact, I did have a nice um I need I need a catch-up day. I mean, these shows take a lot. I need a catch up day. I need a catch up day tweet. Uh, bro, I'm gonna need you to look into Graham Allen. Okay, I played a clip of his show today since he is leading the charge against Candace. Is he leading it? I mean, to to lead it, don't you have to be known? Uh, FYI, Cody Nichols has videos up about him. Just saying. I love you. Jesus I'll be honest, I'd never heard of the man until a week or two ago.I don't I don't know how you can be a leader of a movement if no one's ever heard of you. Rick Cutler, have you found out any more about him? Weird action, smiling when the big bang was going down. Who is he? What role did he play? Um, yeah, I've learned more about him. We We've got a file on him, but I again I I'm not going to just sit here and trash somebody because they're in the wrong place at the wrong time. If if I had evidence, I would bring it to you. I've got a file on everybody there. I got a file on them all. I got a file on the guy who asked the question before Hunter Kak Henry Dell. I got a file on the the the kind of Rotund guy in the red hat to Charlie's right. I got I mean I got a file on everybody. But I I'm not going to just run through the file on Rick Cutler's life and point out all the little weirdnesses about his life if I don't have some sort of evidence he did something wrong other than he's kind of a weird guy and he had kind of a weird facial movement and he did do that little tug on his sleeve and I don't know what that was. But we've all seen that. I mean what I can't add anything somebody else hadn't already covered 100 but thank you. I appreciate it. Daisy's doing all the work now. No, no, no. It's a group effort. Group effort. It's a group effort. But but I look I like to generously heap praise on people who help when when I know they want it. Um like Travis X Nyo or whatever his uh Twitter handle is. I reached out to him and I said, "Hey, not everybody wants credit because sometimes you get blowback when I mention your name." I've had that happen where people like, "Man, I wish you hadn't mentioned my name. I'm getting hate mail." Um and so I asked and he was like, "Yeah, go for it. I don't care. Um, but yeah, when when she when she finds something that's particularly intriguing, I absolutely going to mention her name. Uh, what is my favorite date night restaurant with Mrs. Coleman? Thank you. My mom loves your show. Can you please shout her out? Name is Linda. Linda, Linda, listen. Linda, listen. Listen, Linda. Linda. Linda. Linda. Linda, you're not listening. You're not listening. If you don't know what that is, Linda, look it up. Uh, hey, Linda. My favorite date night restaurant. My current favorite date night restaurant. We've been there three times in the last four months. They've only been open four months. It's a place called I think it's called Nous. N O S H. Let me look it up. Yeah, Nous. It's over on Whitebridgeidge Road in Nashville. Um, it's phenomenal. It's a Persian restaurant. They just kind of bring out all the food. It's got just amazing seasonings. Everything's stewed down and super well cooked and the flavors just blend and they got all this fun salads and soups and these stews and gravies and and um what do you call the little things with pokers, you know, you stick the meat on the poker stick, whatever those are called. It's awesome. That's probably my current favorite. Uh longtime favorite around here. I love J. Alexander. Uh I have for a long time. It's uh it's an easy place to eat. you know what you're going to get. You know the service is going to be good. You know the food's going to be good. Uh and you know you can get in and out. So those are probably my two current favorites honestly. Uh your expost. We don't know but we know I got to look it up. You know I just put stuff up there. I don't know what I put up. Uh oh. Bill Montgomery. YEAH, I forgot about this.See, I just put stuff up. I put this up in a fit of rage. So, one of these two women is I think Candace's current position. I'm not sure. And I don't know that I necessarily agree with this, but one of these two women Candace is alleging birthed Erica Kirk. Either the one on the left that looks exactly like Erica Kirk or the one on the right that doesn't. The one on the right obviously Lorie France. The one on the left is Carla France. Uh this is Lori at the time was Lori uh yeah she was Lori France. She was married to Kent at the time. This is Kent's sister on the left, Carla. And on so it's either the woman who looks exactly like Erica Kirk or the woman who looks nothing like Erica Kirk. One of those two allegedly birthed her there. If you listen to K I'm telling you, I'm working on a third theory here. I think I've got a third theory in mind. And I kind of like it. Kind of like it a lot. Uh, Baron, first time super chat, longtime listener. Carly may not be here on this earth anymore, but his life and death brought us all closer to truth and to Christ. Thank you for all your work. Uh, beautifully said. Nothing more to nothing more to add. Thank you. Uh, or a Maraago face is a lot more than rhinopl. You got to get the lips filled out. Look like you got stung by a bee. You got to get the chin redone, the jawline, new cheeks. You got to get everything pulled back like this. A lot that goes into Mara Lago phase. It is not just a simple nip and tuck. No ma'am. Uh in North Carolina with husband and son for hockey game. Carolina versus Tampa Bay. Didn't go because I had to watch you and Candace Owens. Crisis King. Well, you had more fun certainly and you were more informed. Watch people smash into each other at a high rate of speed. That's not a sport. I'm just kidding. Hockey fans. I'm kidding. I'm sure it's amazing. Uh, my husband was right. And my husband and was right. Royal blue. Can't wait till Sunday. Go, Max. Crisis King. Uh, this is Baron Blue, man. I don't know if you watch Billy and Brandy show. This is Baron. Uh, thank you, Crisis King indeed. Good on your husband to look back and see what's the shirt I hadn't worn in the longest. Hey, Baron, your package is still stuck at FedEx. I sent you another email today at 1 p.m. Search inbox for FedEx. Maybe take a picture of this. And you're huge in Poland, too. Not only the Balkans. I don't know how to get a package from FedEx. Do I just show up at the FedEx and tell I could try. I'll try. I'll try. Thank you from checking in from Poland. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, Sunday. Bloody Sunday. Um, could have been bloody. What we're covering could have been very bloody. Uh, Baron, did sobriety contribute to your solid devotion in your faith? 10 years sober. November 2nd. I broke the curse of the billy goat. You're welcome. Cubs fans, you broke the curse of the Billy Goat. How broke the curse of the Billy Goat? uh by winning the 2016 World Series, defeated the Cleveland Indians in a dramatic seven game series. Uh what reversed the curse? I I would read your name out loud as if it had a hint, but I can't. I can't. It's not consistent with the quality of this program. Uh, thank you. I I uh to answer your question, did sobriety contribute to solid devotion of my faith? I feel like I my faith has took a step forward since being sober. I'm I'm guessing it I feel like I'm living a better life than I was when I drank, but yeah, maybe. I didn't really put it in that context. Hit and like that.Subscribe, y'all. Go Max and stay gold. Stay gold indeed. [laughter] Uh, great work, Baron. Has anyone heard from Ian Carol lately? Yes. Yes. Yes. Ian put a show up uh recently. Actually watched You guys have been talking to me about the telepathy tapes and you said Ian did a show on it. Broke down and watched it. It was an hour and a half. It was great. I had no idea any of that was true. But if Ian said it, I believe it. And it was weird. I'll be honest with you. I don't know what to make of it. I But I watched it. It was 11 months old. He got an extra view out. He's probably like, "Who's this guy watching a random video from 11 months ago?" It was me, sir. Your humble host was watching. Um, but yeah, he's he's alive. He's fine. Uh, Owens Coleman 2026. Go Max. Yeah, that's perfect because I don't want to be the president. I have no desire to be the president. Vice president be dope. Would love to be vice president. That's like the greatest job ever. Glad you're here tonight. And I need the distraction. My best friend of 16 years passed yesterday. Fatal wreck. I'm absolutely broken. Prayers, please. Oh You know, you don't think about it, but but tens of thousands of people die in car crashes every year. That means tens of thousands of people don't get a chance for a final goodbye. They might have left the house angry. They might have not talked to somebody they they need to talk to and work something out and then they're gone cuz you don't you don't really expect a car crash, right? I hate that. I'm sorry to hear that and and prayers to you. Absolutely. Uh you said we would not be able to guess, but I believe I've got it. The super chats were hijacked in attempt to throw us. That's not what I'm covering Sunday if that's what you're asking. [laughter] Uh, we know Ben S hated CK for a long time. I want to know when Ben BS and Kat Phillips first cross paths. We know Cab played basketball with Charlie Kirk in 27 2017 So, I got a call from somebody uh I don't think he told me all this was off the record. I got a call from somebody who's known these people for a very long time and his position was he finds it nearly impossible to believe Charlie Kirk did not know Erica because of how close Charlie was to Kitt while Kitt was dating Erica. He's like that just doesn't make sense to me. Like it's impossible. And he even brought up that basketball picture. He said I'd be I don't know what to make of that. I I don't I don't know. I don't know what to make of that. Uh, Barbara Bush had the same dad, but not the same mom. Her sister is Betty White. What? What? Barbara Bush's sister's not Betty White. Stop it. Is it? I'll look it up. I'll look. You entice me with a good Betty Betty White story. I'm going to take the bait. I'm going to take the bait. So, Betty White, Barbara Bush, I just feel like I would have heard this by now. They were both iconic, beloved women. Well, it's already lying to me. One of them was iconic and beloved. One of them was a reptile. Uh, lived long, influential lives. No, I'm I'm saying I'm saying no. White is not the sister of former first lady Barbara Bush or the daughter of a cultist Alistister Crowley. It says Betty White's not the daughter of Alistister Crowley. doesn't say anything about Barbara. I'm not a big fan of Barbara Bush, by the way. I don't know if you can tell. Uh, no paid derogatory campaign will curb the momentum. What will they try next to quell the Kirk conversation?Well, I got a really bad feeling, and I hope I'm wrong, that they'll try to either be a false flag attempt on Erica Kirk's life that she survives or they'll take her out. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I've got this like disgusting feeling in my soul about it because if you can't stop the discussion and you think the discussion is going to uh reveal something bad, like really bad, like even if you took out Candace Owens at this point, the the investigation continues. So they they know that it's So, how do you stop it? Well, what you do is you you you set it up by saying, "This is evil. This is demonic." And then you have some crazed lunatic activated from M, you know, Mortal Kombat Ultra who goes out there I hope I'm wrong. I don't I don't wish any ill physical harm to Erica. the mental, emotional harm or anything. I just want to know the truth about what happened to Charlie. I don't wish any ill will towards anybody. Like, beat them at the ballot box. Beat them in the board of public opinion. Have some debates. Let's discuss it. Let's just do some research. I think these people that that call people and threaten them, send them threatening emails, it's it's don't do that. Don't do that. That is not how we behave. Certainly don't take any physical action. Uh Baron Co and you are my inspiration heroes. You both deserve awards for your work. I can't forget Trigger Smart either. Salute, my friend. I like Trigger a great deal. Not that I don't like Candace. Kanis is the queen. Goes without saying, but I like Trigger a great deal. I think he does great work. Uh B, just want to say thank you for all your hard work, so much time and energy and your helpers are putting into bringing truth to light. So important right now. Too many lies. It's exhausting. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Thank you. It is exhausting. First time watching you live from the and it's 1:00 a.m. here and I got to work tomorrow. But f it. You and Candace are my faves. Canceling Netflix. Got no time for that. I'm now part of the High IQ club. Get some sleep. [laughter] I'll be here tomorrow. Just watch it tomorrow. Watch it. Um, you can stay up occasionally, but don't, you know, don't neglect your sleep. It's it's it's sleep is almost more important than diet in terms of staying healthy and feeling good. So get some sleep. Browse louse Katie. Browse lous cay. Uh Bar and blue best color on you. That rhymes. Go Max. Go Max indeed. Thank you for that compliment. Or else it's it might mean all the other colors look bad. So I don't I don't know whether to take that as a compliment or not. Actually kind of thank you. Maybe a little yo be dog gaining street cred rep repping crips tonight after the bloods last episode. Make sure bandana on left side. Do they wear it on a particular side? Got no bandana. Uh, I got a blue cup. This is my teacup. The hot teacup from earlier. This is my iced teacup here. So, I do have that, but I don't have a bandana. It's not that weird when you realize Bill's wife was a founder of the X-Men school Charlie went to. How do you know that? Send me an email if you have documentation of that. I'd love to see it. I'd love to see it. That's first I've heard of that. Did you really read that book? It wasn't the addiction. It was the DI. Crazy good though. Like Sibble on TNT. Literally you talking about uh Syibble? Oh, Syibble was the the girl that had multiple personalities, right? Wasn't she crazy? And no, I didn't read it.I just saw I just followed the cultural sensation of the book. I just I just remember being around when it happened. Uh when my baby brother was seven, he went full super fan on Andrew Jackson. Only answered to Andrew He's lucky he wasn't born today. They would have given him an Andrew Jackson change. and insisted the family vacation was to the Hermitage. Cool vacation. Every time I see your wall, I smile. Thanks for the nostalgia. Go, Max. I don't know what would cause a little seven-year-old to go crazy about Andrew Jackson. Hermitage is cool, though. Short bed. That's all I remember. It sounds extremely disturbing. He's the male Duffrey. Dragged around DL men in those parties. The man had to be around talking about Bill Montgomery, I believe. Was Charlie Kirk an atheist But but Baron, I'm six years sober and living my best life. Congratulations and stay that way. Everything I had tried to destroy for 25 years has been completely restored. I'm involved in recovery, bringing hope to others, Christ did it for me. Christ did for me what I could not do for myself. Well, congratulations. Uh, appreciate you checking in, Matt Key. I love that we celebrate things like this together as a as a community. Baby mama drama. Did Carla have children? What if Carla and LF had babies two days apart and one was still born and the doctor I can assure you that that's probably not what happened. I don't think Carla is alleged to have ever had children. I'm trying to think. I don't believe she did. I don't believe she's alleged to. Whether or not she did is a different I mean that wouldn't be unheard of though for someone to have a child and and and let someone else adopt it. Wouldn't be unheard of. I'd be interested in seeing a picture of Lorie Fronfay pregnant. That would that would intrigue me. Uh, like and subscribe. Child is king. Go, Max. Child is king. I bet you met Christ. But he was a child at one time. Like and subscribe. Hit the like button. Oh, hit the like at You guys confuse me sometimes. Uh, CO, maybe you want to dive into Granddad's past. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel, lawyer for GT Plantations during banana rep with possible CIA ties died in Japan, no autopsy. Don't know if I want to go down that rabbit hole. But dive dive dive go down the rabbit hole. Let us know what's down there. Uh hey Baron, are you doing the open? 261 looks awful. Hate wall balls. Uggh. Yeah, I'm doing it tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. Um, I'm not looking forward to it. I'm out of shape right now. I'll be honest with you. I have not been working out as much as like there was a time a long time several year run where I was working out six or seven days a week. Um, this show has put the brakes on that and made it a two to four day a week proposition. Um, and all that squatting is going to be bad tomorrow. I'm gonna do it. Um, if I can finish the 66, I'll be happy. Like, that's where I am right now in my fitness. I would be pretty happy with that result. And I don't know if I can get there right now. I don't know if I can get there. That's a lot of wall balls. We'll see. We'll see. Um, good luck to you. Good luck to you, cat lady. >> [clears throat] >> Don't take your cats. Uh, I'm going to listen to this in the morning, but I wanted to hop on and say thank you for being such a credible voice of reason in a time of great uncertainty. Your thoughtful videos and posts are very helpful. Thank you. I appreciate that. And uh, good luck in the morning.Uh, for those that watch that watch the show on Spotify, we put them up every morning, usually by 9:00, 8, between 8 and 9. Uh, my sister's taking over that responsibility. It's one of her many responsibilities. My sister doing an amazing job, by the way. merch will be available because of her. If it was still up to me, it wouldn't it would not have moved an Nichch. I have no time. I have no time. So, that's um she's she's rocking and rolling over here. So, you can thank her for that. Uh if you're a following day listener on Spotify as well, they invested too much into CK at his Quest School to let him walk off and be a normal guy. They may have chosen him for this role long before 2012. Yeah, maybe. Except I went I think he went to a normal high school, didn't he? Didn't he just go to a public high school? Hi Baron, I love the show. I became a new member tonight. How can I message you? Have some information. Real [email protected]. Do not email that email address that kept popping up on the screen today. I know it pops up and I know you people email it because you don't know the other one. That's fine. I'm not mad at you. I just just know that I'm blocking you as you do. You'll never be able to email me again. Um, so don't email that email address. That's a personal email address that's that I you that I've used for business and I don't want it clogged up. So, if you have a an email for the program, it's this right here, [email protected]. That's that's how you reach the show. You don't send Facebook messages. You don't Nothing else is going to reach me because I don't check the Facebook messages. I've got a thousand of them. I've never looked at them. Um I don't check uh Instagram messages. I don't check uh other email addresses you may find. Just [email protected]. That's how you get in touch with me. Oh, but thank you for becoming a member. You'll have fun tomorrow. I think we'll have a good time. I emailed you about Ken Star. Charlie Kirk met with him in 2010 at Baylor. He was Charlie's wedding and men mentor before Bill was, I think. And there's videos of Ken's wife talking about their story with CK after his He was Charlie's mentor before Bill. I mean, he was Charlie was in high school before Bill met him. Charlie was in high school when Bill met him. You tell me when he was a sophomore I don't know about that. You I'll look at your email, but I don't I Has anyone asked why Cabbat Cabbat Phillips about his pizza tattoo? Yeah, a lot I think a lot of people have. Photo was obviously taken by a professional. Why? What does he claim means? Google it. I think he he's going to claim it means pizza. He's going to claim it means he likes to eat like Papa John's or Pizza Hut or maybe he's rich and he gets Marcos or something. I don't know. I doubt you're going to trap him in an interview and he's going to go, "Oh, you I mean, that's the whole point of using uh something that normal people wouldn't recognize, right? Like if the code word for pulling off a bank heist is banana and you go to the street corner go, I love bananas. And someone's like, "What's that mean?" You're not going to say, "Oh, you caught me. It means bank heist." We're about to do a bank heist. I wish you wouldn't have asked. He's going to claim it means pizza. That's why you use code words. That's why you use code words. Uh Candace commenting on Mormons and referencing Tyler Boyer has me freaking out.I emailed you last week about some of the same connections I was making. Tyler Boyer connections. I believe their significance. Excited for Sunday. Tyler Boyer's not involved in my Sunday show. I don't think disregard. I've already touched upon. Crazy Martin Google trended in August 2025. Well, thank you. Oh, Blue Cheer's back. I ain't seen Blue Cheer in a long time. Back with that fancy horse I see. Blue cheer, thank you for showing back up. Missed you. Missed you. Uh, Charlie needed truth. That's why. Catholicism. Uh, remember when you said you had reservations about Jason Goodman? This kid is giving off a thousand times of those vibes. Who the blank is this kid? The eyes never lie. Chico. Um, I like John Yep. That's who he is. He's John Yep. He's the head of Catholics for Catholics. Um, he's uh become something of a friend. I enjoy reaching out to him, talking to him about different things. I invited him onto the program, so I'd appreciate you being kind to my guest. Um, he's a friend of Candace's. He's a friend of George's. Um, I don't I don't I think you're reading him wrong, but I'm I'm not knocking you for it. Grock, Indiana LSD, Eli Liy, MK GRA in regards to Candace Owen Show today. What does Grock have to do with that? I will say this, she was a little harsh on the Who's Your State today. Your humble host was born there, lived there for the first nine years of his life, and then went back to law school there. Calm down. [laughter] so a guy that used to be a radio partner of mine, good friend, I still talk to him pretty r, we don't talk. Um, we actually texted today. He was talking about his his dad, I think, or granddad maybe was in the military. And he was in this building and there was this gigantic tub, like 55gallon barrel full of these little LSD vials. I may be telling the story wrong, but I I think I'm about I think I'm pretty accurate. Maybe he's telling the story of someone else, not his dad or granddad, but whoever it was, he was telling me the story and the and the guy is like, "What's up with the giant barrel of LSD?" And they're like, "Oh no." So they, you know, go about their workday and the next day they come in, it's gone. So the question naturally arises, the hell happened to the giant barrel of L? I mean, you think about it, a little drop of LSD could affect like a and it was gone and it was at a military location. Uh so that's cool story number one. Cool story number two about LSD is in the 1990s uh there was a lot of LSD around and uh they they figured out who was making all there was one guy making like 95% of all the LSD in the country and he was in a I think the effort to push drugs on our nation's youth and adults is coming from the desire to destroy this country. I really believe that this country has a real drug problem. In my opinion, I get TP vibes with this guy. He looks and sounds like all the TP guys. I don't know what a TP guy is. Uh I get the icko allegedly. Um, I don't I don't I have no idea what you're talking about. Wow, poor Charlie never stood a chance. Um, stop pushing Catholic denomination faith in God. I'm not pushing the Catholic denomination. The question arose, does Charlie's was Charlie's decision to seek out Catholicism, did it potentially have anything to do with his death? And I think it's a valid thing to consider, particularly when they're when they're saying it he wasn't doing it. So, that's not me pushing it. Trust me, if I was pushing it, you would know.Um, I could push it and I don't. I just answer questions. But this is something that I raised. I asked John to come on because John has personal knowledge having been a parishioner at the church where Charlie Kirk was going to mass on a regular basis, weekends, weekdays, the family was going there, the wife, the kids, and then to hear everybody like, "No man, he didn't like Cath." It's just so inconsistent. It's just not true. And that's the point. I I'm sorry that that point was lost on you. Maybe I didn't do a good enough job setting up the interview. Uh, poor Charlie was groomed. My groomer told me he believed in me. He was my biggest fan. A young poor college student. He was going to save me. I refound my faith and saw through his demonic fratic ways. Naiva is real. Uh, yeah, that sounds like you were getting I I was deeply disturbed by that article about Bill that I opened the show with, honestly. And Charlie was still young enough when he wrote that because that was the seven-year anniversary. So, he' have been like 25. I think he was still young enough that maybe he didn't see the problem with it. It It was weird. That was a weird tribute to Bill. And that probably downplayed it a little bit. I can't help but wonder what Charlie's parents thought of this. Were they happy? Did they argue with him? Try to change his mind? Doesn't sound like it. I mean, they he said in one article his dad came up with the name of the organization. I don't know if his dad knew a 72-year-old was talking to him on the phone all the time, building him up and calling him Buttercup and stuff. Um, guys, don't be don't don't don't be mean to the guests. Come on, stop it. Uh, me and my man uh Old Man are big fans. We try to tune in for every stream. Wanted to ask you if we could see you and Ian together again soon. Um, I could ask him. I know he's working on so much. He's rolling that web out. That's why he's not podcasting very much. He's rolling out two apps. Like he already had the buyer app, but now he's rolling out web behind it. And there's a ton of work I could ask him. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to bo I don't like to bother people. Is uh Bill Montgomery wearing a Rush Limbaugh tie? Maybe he thought Charlie was the next Rush. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Um, everyone becoming a Catholic means he's no longer Zionist. He car John Bowler for the consequences. Public service announcement. Uh, love you. Baron, 18 years sober, raised atheist. True regarding pain caused, saved by spiritual awake. Can confirm regarding Christ. Can confirm views regarding Christ and sober suspect. Uncool win back points for I don't know what I don't know what any of that means. You have researched and done shows on how Charlie was possibly handled from a young age, but confused and narrowly focused on one moment if he wasn't seen No, I'm not confused. I'm not confused. I'm That's my whole point is that the story isn't practical. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't add up. It's impossible to believe. that Bill Montgomery just happened upon This is not me being ugly. I like Charlie. I think the world of him. I've seen a hundred times better speeches. I've seen a hundred speeches better than that at Tea Party events and college events. And I mean, it was just an okay speech. Like, it wasn't bad. He didn't embarrass himself, but there wasn't anything in there where I looked and thought, "Woo, this guy's special." It was just a speech. Like, a guy gave a speech.People give speeches like that every day. There's nothing in that speech that would that would would have let a 71 or 72-year-old political veteran activist like Bill Montgomery who's lived a full life just be wowed. There's And I didn't see the reaction Bill saw. Oh, these kids were wrapped with So, that was my point. I don't know if I again, maybe tonight's not my best night. Maybe I' Maybe maybe I've I've had a bad night on the air. Maybe I'm too subtle at times. I need to be more direct. I need to repeat stuff more often. That subtle stab irritates me. Cradle Catholic became Christian. Catholics are Christians. Yeah, I noticed that. But I I honestly I don't think he meant anything by it. I think it's just in the in the circles he congregates in. That's just the the language they use. I don't think he meant anything by it. I heard it. I'm a proud Christian cred. Thank you. Um I'm late. Got to catch up. Shout out to say keep up the good work. Act like I don't know what that's going to be. Keep up the good work. And like I'm I'm with it. I know the kid lingo. Uh I love it when you sound out acronyms. Oh, like kudua. [laughter] LOL. Mall. Are we getting a member show this week? Yes. Tomorrow. truly inspired by my by you, my brother in Christ. Christ is King. Christ is King indeed. Yeah. Tomorrow, we'll do a member show. I'm going to do a recap of of what I feel like people are getting lost on. Apparently, I'm going have to recap my own show. I didn't know people were getting so lost on the uh point of bringing John on and the point of the Bill Montgomery piece. I had no idea. I apparently I've done a very poor job. I apologize. You guys deserve better. Father Klein is a wonderful priest and a holy man. Uh I think that was John's message. I think he said that he had St. Bernardet completely redone to make it beautiful and reverent. OCI is not only path into the church. One can also receive individual instruction. It is the discretion of the priest. Yes, that's all that's correct. And I don't I don't think we suggested otherwise on any of it. So, thank you. Uh and thank you for that generous contribution. Converted to Catholicism high school 2005. Growing up with a family just practicing their faith, leading me to the church that is the fullness of the truth. Christianity was greatest gift. Yeah, I don't want to argue. I mean, I appreciate you guys sharing your faith journeys, but I I don't I don't want to turn it into like a an argument over faith. Like I said, I'm very happy to answer any questions if somebody has question like legitimate honesty. Um, but that was not the point of bringing John on. I just hope you I mean it was that's not it. Uh, did I talk to Andrew Kovette, Mr. Coleman? Well, if you Here's the problem with me answering that. If I say yes, then that potentially could betray a confidential conversation. If I say no, then anytime you ask me that and I don't say no, then you believe I've talked to somebody. So, I have to get in the habit of just saying no. That's the problem because I want to be able to have confidential conversations with people, keep an open line of communication, potentially get information, potentially develop relationships, potentially work to bring somebody on as a guest, help build a story, and not not answer to who I'm talking to constantly. And I hate to sound like the feds when I say that cuz that's what they do. We can either confirm or die. I mean, but that's the thing is.So, I'll answer this one this one time. No, I've not talked to Andrew Kovit. Not at all. Haven't even reached out to him other than through here. Other than up here. Um but uh but I don't want to answer that in like going forward. I don't want to have to answer those. We're starting to lose people. I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. Man, this is sad. Poor Charlie. What a shame. Um, I said this is going to be a dense evening. Really, Baron? You say that literally every night. I because we do a lot of research for this program. Tell me that Lorie France timeline wasn't dense. It was felt dense. Felt dense. Um, this is a good question. How would I recommend Christians handle the argument if you are not a Zist? You are an anti-semantic, especially as it relates to Genesis 12:3. Appreciate your word, Christ is king. Boy, I like that. So, let's open 12:3 real quick 123 is often used against us this way. It says, this is talking to Abram. God calls Abram out from probably modern and he says, "Go forth from your land, your relatives, and from your father's house to the land I will show you." That's Abram. I will make you a great nation, and I will bless you. I will make your name great so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. All the families of the earth will find blessing in you. Here's He's talking to Abram. He's not talking to any of Abram's children or grandchildren. Anyone who curses you, Abram, I will curse. Anyone who blesses you, Abram, I will bless. What he's doing is saying, Abram, go into this land in confidence. I will take care of you and allow you the space to breed. And that's what I'm allowing you. In no way does he say, "And this blessing holds on or applies even to your children. I will bless you, those who curse you. I will make your name great. Here's the problem with that. He had more than one kid. They had more than one kid. It applies to I just reading the text to Everybody who's a descendant of Abraham. Now fast forward to the New Testament. Who are the descendants of Abraham? according to the New Testament. Who are I will read it to you. If you don't know, I will read it. This is important. This is important. We'll read it together if I can find it. This is probably the most important question I've gotten in a long time. I've not wanted to bring this up on my own accord, but I'm glad you brought it up. If I can, Realize then it is those who have faith who are children of Abraham. So if you're going to say the blessing of 123, Genesis 12:3 applies to the children of Abraham, then you got to read the New Testament if you claim to be a Christian. Because Galatians 3:7 says it is the those who believe, who have faith in Jesus Christ, who are the descendants of Abraham. So if you take it literally by DNA, what they're talking about is everybody who descends from Abraham. That includes a lot of people who are not Christian, not Jewish. If you're going to say it descends, it's the spiritual descendants of Abraham through Israel, then you got to read it in the context of Genesis Galatians 3. Who are those descendants of Abraham according to Paul according to the New Testament? Christians Galatians 3:29. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to the promise. You are So, do I get up Lot over there? If the answer to that question is no, then you're directly denying the New Testament.That's the problem with that line of thinking. That's the problem with the Genesis 12:3 argument. They don't they disregard Christ. And I don't like that. That's not my brand of Christianity. That's not Christianity. That's the problem. That's why it's not my brand of Christianity. The Jewish and evangelical donors would have had a fit if Charlie publicly said he was becoming Catholic. Hope C4C has security for Candace. Thank you for a great podcast. They they're going to have security. They They are going to have They're going to have security. Uh I know too many recovering Catholics who are grateful they got out and learning at churches that actually has sermons teaching all biblical doctrine. Okay. Thank you. Um again, it I'm going to stop doing comments if y'all are going to fight about religion in them. Like I don't mind answering questions. I really don't mind answering questions, but please don't pick fights. It's that's not that's not what we're here for. Um, my parents divorced in Ohio and it listed extreme cruelty as well. That maybe maybe that's common. I've never seen it before. Um, everyone's Charlie's curiosity about Catholicism is critically important because this is a big no for the Zionist. That's the point. Sheds light on these shifting views and they're trying to wash it from his legacy. Go Max. That that you are getting to it. You are getting to it. H All right. Devil hates truth. Look at which Christian demon. You mean demon? Oh, denomination is most targeted. Lends credence to the one truth. One can be any form of protest. But why are so many especially those surrounding CK event threatened by Catholicism? I would argue a lot of Christian denominations are threatened are are targeted. Um, so I don't know that I would go down that that line of I mean I appreciate your contribution. I appreciate your I mean not money contribution, your contribution to the discussion. Um, not that I don't appreciate the the generous contribution also, but I I appreciate your contribution to the conversation, but I would argue that a lot of Christian denominations are targeted. So I wouldn't look at that as a guide for but I do think Catholicism represented a unique threat to the existence of TPUSA because of the the the Zionist tilt and and just the the flavor of the college events and all the people that worked there. I mean, it just it was inconsistent with u with the organization up to that point. or not inconsistent but it was it would have been a dramatic shift in culture. I'll say that a dramatic shift in culture. Uh thank you for discussing the Catholic Catholic Church. Lifelong Christian started investigating Catholic faith. Just purchased the Catholic Bible. Keep up the great work. Go Max. Christ is I I appreciate that. Thank you. Uh love the show. I noticed on Insta story EK lost track of her mom and called her mama Lori. Found that strange. Why call I'll be honest, I'm less than 30% sure Loriy's her mom. That's just where I am today. I based on what I see, based on the weird inconsistencies, based on all that. Now, who is the mom? There's some debate there and and I think 30%'s a healthy amount. I mean, you bet 300, you get in the Hall of Fame. So, it's it's it's not like it's nothing. I'm leaving out a pretty good percentage chance that it's there. Um, but it's uh it's it's less than half in my mind likelihood. Like to make it known that not all Protestants support Zionism. A certain niche of evangelicals do.Most of us do not believe this is biblical. Thank you. Christ is my king. Wait, mine too, ma'am. Or sir, ma'am. Michelle, you you can't you can't take it. You can't take them all. I commented when you answered Candace's call that you were talking about EK's sister. H go I was not talking about Candace's sister. I was not talking about Candace's sister. Uh 1983 divorce rate was 11% and very frowned upon. Wow. Is that true? Is that all it was in 1983? Well, she had three let's see. John 6 I can't read John 6:22 to 59. That's a lot of scripture. But thank you. [laughter] I can read this. Smash the like button and subscribe. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, do we know if the SUV CK was in had the door closed when left campus and open later? Is there police video of the SUV on the highway? We don't know the qu answer to either one of those questions. I wish we did and I'm sure there is police video, but but we've not been able to get it. But Baron started the podcast from the beginning, been on for days. Everything is much clearer. Can you say hi to my wife Destiny, please? We watch you. Candace and coaches live stream consistently. You must be very informed, Destiny. You sound like an amazing woman. >> [laughter] >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Uh But I don't know. I don't know. Uh, this entire case makes me think of The Fatal Attraction and Till Death Do Us Part from Lifetime Movie. I've never seen a Lifetime movie. Uh, Sunday Night going to be what you were talking to Candace on the phone about during your live. It is, as a matter of fact. That's weird that you would put that together. That's absolutely what it's going to be about. So, Candace, if you're watching now, you know what the show's about. They don't. Y'all don't have a clue. And it's not me being ugly saying that. I'm just saying if I could tell you tonight, I would have. It's not yet where I can tell you. guys. It's so wild. It It's so wild when you first hear it. You're like, "That cannot be true. That absolutely 100% It changed the way I looked at what happened at UVU. I'll tell you that. It changed It changed my entire perception It's crazy. It's crazy. Uh, I have the strongest concern about Jesse on Fire. New CK series is a clever way to portray the slop and lies as purposeful and justifiable. justified remains fair to Candace to keep the masses setting up cash as the fall guy from misleading the public. I mean, I see why you're saying that. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that, but I see what you're saying and I see that the fear. I certainly understand your fear. um is trying to point out an alternative explanation that even makes more sense than Tyler Robinson on the roof of the Losi Center with the 306 alone. In other words, what he's saying is this is my I've not asked him if this is what he's trying to accomplish, but this is how I watch the show. This is what this is what makes sense to me. This is Jesse saying, "Guys, it's more believable that the entire federal government apparatus, including the military, including everyone at TPUSA, including his entire private security team, they were all in on one of the craziest stories in the history of mankind, that they were going to fake in front of 3,000 witnesses.They were going to fake taking his life, then hope it got over everybody, including the millions at home who would watch it on camera, stuff him in the back of a truck, and drive off with a living Charlie Kirk, head to a hospital where they would take a living Charlie Kirk into the hospital, and a living Charlie Kirk would undergo surgery until the rest of the team could get there. They would all give one final goodbye to living Charlie Kirk and then they would scuttle him out the side door and they would have a fake funeral and they would have he what to me how I watch Jesse is even that is more believable than Tyler Robinson on the roof of the Losi center with a 306. That's how I watch what he's doing. In other words, let me give you the most ridiculous set of facts and show how even that makes more sense than what you guys are selling this fed slop. That's how I watch it. I don't know if that's what he's trying to do or not, but that's what that's what I see when I watch it. That's why I'm intrigued by it. Oh, please. $10. The Arizona lot was conveyed to Kent and Jerry for $10 by Mary Puffer or perhaps Fuffer, a divorced woman. $10. Also, buying a lot in Arizona doesn't doesn't necessarily mean they were living there. A couple things on that. One is a lot of deeds around the country say $10 and good and valuable consideration. That doesn't mean $10. Some of them actually put the amount, but some of them just say the, you know, $10 or $100 or whatever. So, that's that's not that doesn't mean they only paid $10. Guess it could, but it does. It typically it doesn't. Um, the lot though, a lot of times, especially if it's like meet and bounds or it's lot in a plat, a lot of times that's just how they describe. Like the house I'm in when I bought it, it doesn't say and the house on top of the lot. I just bought the lot. I get everything on the lot, including the world's smallest studio, which is basically a glorified walk-in I wish you I wish I could give you a real tour of this place. Wall. Almost wall. Wall. [laughter] It's not very much in here. Why it was so hard to get the sound right? Uh, two things. One, where the one marriage license state that is Newport, Kentucky. Two, GE aircraft is in greater Cincinnati. They produce engines, fighter jets, commercial GE for 99 or whatever that is. Um, yeah, but she was working for GE when she clearly lived in Minnesota and clearly lived in Massachusetts. What made sense to me was her house or county in Massachusett where she got the divorce was 12 miles from the GE plant where they make water membranes. her house in Marblehead, Massachusetts was seven miles from the plant in Massachusetts at GE. So my my assumption was since she claimed to have worked at GE this whole time that she worked at the Minnotonka plant, she worked at the Lyn Massachusetts plant and then moved to the Cincinnati to work at their plant. Is there not a Campbell County in Oh, maybe she got in maybe she got married in uh somewhere. I don't remember which marriage license though. Uh, justice for Charlie. Thank you for continuing the quest for truth. Baron, Mrs. Coleman, kids, and Daisy. God bless. It's a whole team. You You miss nurse Casey, though. Very much part of the team. Integral part of the team. Don't leave out nurse Casey. And stop calling her marshmallows. She doesn't like it. [laughter] EK is one of the E's GMO babies with a dash of MK. Maybe. Maybe. Mrs. Coleman, don't get mad, but we all love your husband.Thank you so much, Baron, for breaking this down for us tonight. I understand how it much better. A member show on it would be icing on the cake. Yeah, we're going to do that. Um, I do want to I do want to do a member show and really just delve into the depths of it and really feel your qu I really want you guys to guide it. I'm just going to open it up and start reading questions and answering what I understand based on the questions because or or maybe just open the Discord and look at the questions you guys said in there, but um I don't know. Um I don't want to be presumptuous and say here's how here's what I think you guys don't understand. I'd rather just you tell me what you don't understand and I'll I'll do my best to break it down for you. Beyon, wouldn't EK birth registration gap be due to Thanksgiving holiday? 11:24 office may have been closed or delayed. Also, 150,000 for a home in Massachusetts. A dream home is now 800,000. Love your show. Well, let's do a little 1983 inflation calculator. How about that? Inflation calculator. would be calculate. $484,000. That's a lot of money. That's a big house. It's a big house. I'll show it to you. I mean, she doesn't live there anymore. See if I can find it real. I know. I looked it up today. Should be on my history. Yeah, here it is. Beautiful So, this is what I mean. It's right there on the bay, sitting on the dock. I wish I could sing, man. That would be so amazing. I'm so jealous if people could sing. So, this is the uh greater Boston area. She lives up here in the BBS, right up here on this little patch of water up here. This is the I mean, it's a beautiful little house. Nice little neighborhood. It's a, you know, it's like a dream little house. Look at that thing. Beautiful. It's got a Jesus fish. Oh, that's not a Jesus fish. What is that? It's got a whale. That's a I mean, it's a beautiful little house. I don't know what it looked like in 1983, but it's gorgeous today. Um, computerated methods and apparatus for assessing an organizational process or system is what the patent was for. Yeah, it sounds like nothing if I'm being honest. As a family historian, I find this line of research fascinating. Very similar to how I do my research. Every story, every doc found is the hook that keeps me going or up all night. I did that for a long time. I got I dug my family and now my grandmother had done a lot of really good work and my great aunt Freda still alive by the way. She's like 104 105 still kicking up there in the Boston area. I don't know what sure I don't remember what city she lives in but she's still alive. And uh when I was in law school so this was over 20 years ago she mailed me this giant pack of information and I was able to use that. I was able to use what I inherited from my grandmother when she died or my mom got it, but I took it out of her basement. Um, and I put it all together and I developed this beautiful little multi-lineage picture of my family. My dad's side I took back to like the 1680s in Delaware. The first Coleman that came in, Jacob Coleman, it was Yakov Kulman. Um, and then my grandmother's side I took to 1630. My first relative I could track that came into the country was in 1630. Cool story about this too. Um, my descendant that came in at 1630 was 15 years old or 14 years old.He was traded to the Indians for two years and the Indian like he and like three of his teenage buddies were traded to the Indians for a couple years in uh in Virginia and then the Indians traded them a couple people for a couple three years and they learned the language and the culture and then they were able to be the ones that communicated back and forth. Ain't that cool? That's my family. That's my family. Um cool story. Cool story. But yeah, I was able to track all that down with the uh with the work they had done. And then and then more. I actually used one of the Mormon sites to uh to help dig a little more. They do great work. They have great lineage sites. You can drop your family into their family and a whole new family shows up. Uh wow. Thank you, Texas Warrior. Very, very generous. See you in Valhalla is a phrase we say in the Marines after a brother or sister has fallen. It's the afterlife specially reserved to warrior spirits who have paid the ultim ultimate sacrifice for something bigger than themselves. Here's the problem with that. I don't think either Cash or Charlie was in the I don't think either Cash or Charlie were in the Marines. If they were, I apologize. I know Charlie wasn't. I don't think Cash were. So, what the hell's that all about? It was a weird moment in history. Thank you though. Thank you for that generous contribution. Great show as always. What a tangled web they we God bless and crisis king. Christ King indeed. Uh the better have been an outron. If not this is for your output. A thank you. I will put it to use. Thank you. Uh married guy 8 July 2 months before 911. Then JCOM medal. You married a guy 8 July 2 months before Whoa. I was going to say I got married three months before 911. I thought you were talking about me for a second. I was like I didn't win any medals guys. I I can assure you that I do not claim any valor. Lorie France married a guy two months before 911, then won the joint that's crazy. That's crazy. Perhaps. Perhaps Erica's the daughter of Tanya. Thank you for all your work. Well, thank you, Nikesha. I appreciate that. Uh Lori F was single for like a week. That's the week she raised Erica. Raised by a single mother. Checks out after all. Yeah. This session is so much more than we just than just was Charlie converting to Catholicism or not. continues the theme of how powerful evil people want to shape a false narrative. I'm glad I joined. Yeah, that's that that was it. You nailed it. You nailed it. Thank you. You were a You should host a podcast because apparently I can't. [laughter] Apparently I am podcast novice. I'm barely I'm a novice and cannot accurately portray um the purpose for my guest coming by. I like John Yep a lot. I'm thankful he came by and um I'm glad you were able to pick up on it. Erica's stay-at-home dad Uh, okay. [laughter] Her mom's been married four times. I don't Lavender CIA matchup. That's why they can't remember And her dad got rem I'm not buying that. I mean, maybe, but I'm not buying it. I saw an interesting poll on um um X today. I'm hoping I see a followup. How many bedrooms was Erica's apartment that I guessed one. I don't know. I mean, uh forgive the Canadian pesos. Love the show. Great great GPA ran booze to Chicago in Prohibition. My family wouldn't want examined. Christ is king. You know what's funny about that? Christ is king indeed.So after going through all this the last few weeks, my wife came to me and she said, "What if they What might they think?" Now granted, my family has no government contracts. We weren't in the defense industry. We weren't any of that. But you go into the great grandparents and you might find some weird stuff right along that line. as a matter of fact, you know, working in the mafia running booze. So, uh, but it's prohibition. It was a It was a wild time. It was a wild time. Uh, when can we start buying the merch? I will have to ask nurse Casey tomorrow where we are on merch. I know we were very, very, very close. We were doing some final decision- making today. Uh, Daisy and Nurse Casey worked very hard on that. Nurse Casey put in more work than anybody and um is it's just so close. So close. So close. Uh Jesse said Philly just needed to call him and he would stop. I think he got that call, but instead of stopping, he's pushing the narrative. Pushing. Oh, this narrative. You're talking about the he's alive narrative. What I heard Jesse say was, and maybe I heard it wrong, he would stop pushing the Charlie's still alive narrative if they called him and said, "Hey, he's alive. Stop." But I haven't heard him stopping to push that narrative. He's still putting out episodes on, but I And I heard him today talking about it. So, I don't think he got that call. Sorry I'm late. Am I still in the High IQ Outfit Club? Barely. Barely. Uh, hey Mods, we love you. Which one of you put me in timeout for absolutely zero reason? Oh, roll that build. Stop fighting with the odds. Stop it. Don't cut it close. This is what I tell my kids. I'm I'm going to talk to you like I talk to my kids. Don't give your teachers, don't give the neighbors, don't give your friends parents any reason to doubt. If you know there's a line of behavior, stay well clear of it. Stay well clear of it. Uh, did I miss something? No official marriage certificate for Lori and Kent, so explains move. Maybe AZ Tech was Kent's business under Lor's name. I mean, it was formed in the house he was living in or incorporated in the house he was living in. Now, keep in mind, if they thought they were going to get ADA treatment or they thought they were going to get womanowned small business treatment, it would make more sense to put it in her name. About the worst thing you could do as a government contractor is open one as a white male. There's just no there's no advantage for you. You're in the worst position to try to get a contract. So maybe I don't know. I mean, I noticed he still works there. It's on his LinkedIn. Great showing guest tonight because TP USA has all these new donors since 910. Do you think Erica took the bester up on his offer? It's a reasonable conclusion. Reasonable conclusion. Uh there are no pics of Erica pregnant. Please stop avoiding it and speak on it. I have. I've spoken on it many times. There are no pictures of Erica pregnant. That's true. What there does exist though is a picture of her getting a C-section. I suppose it's possible they set that up and it didn't happen. But that's a really eloquent or not eloquent, that's a uh a really elaborate hoax to put her in a surgical suite with the little curtain and the little bonnet and the little uh cover and have Charlie all covered up with a baby that's like that's real planning. That's real planning. Maybe maybe what do you what do you do? put salad dressing all over some baby and hand it to the mom.That's what it looked like. All these divorces could be these women expanding their network reach or expanding their army. Given the alleged background of those involved, it doesn't feel out of line to me at least. Can't wait for Sunday. Sunday's going to be wild. Wild. I believe that tonight Candace said EK didn't start at that fancy school in Arizona until third grade. That would she didn't move out there with mom right away. Stayed in Cincy with at home with dad. Stay at home dad. Yeah, maybe. I didn't think about that cuz she Well, she told that podcast she uh she moved out there when she was five. So, I just kind of took her to maybe I should stop taking her to word. Have you seen the podcast about some of someone's lying by their vocal cord? CEO and EK were tested. The results were interesting for EK. Common common sense podcast. I have not seen that. I don't know how do they measure that. Hey Baron, love your podcast. I love your comment. I lost my husband in a tragic accident at age 29. I had two very small boys, four and seven. Erica does not act like a grieving widow. She's very suspicious. I hear that a lot. Britney, I'm first. I'm sorry. Very sorry for your loss. Um I hope your boys have grown up to be amazing young men. I had a I had a friend in college. He was a few years older than I was, maybe five years older than I was. And they got married right out of college. He and his wife did. And they they had two beautiful young boys. And um they were about the same age, maybe maybe four and eight, something like that. Six and eight, five and eight, something like that. And he got a cold. This would have been in 2009. He got a sinus infection. and he was working at the uh University of Alabama and was walking across campus And I followed her for years on Facebook, interacted a few, you know, a few times, but I mean, we weren't like close friends. We just knew each other. Went to the same church back then, just kind of knew each other through church that man would be so proud of those boys. Those boys are just stellar humans. And I just I'm so sad that he can't see it. She is so proud of him and those boys. Like she still talks about him all the time. Still puts up the pictures. It's um she grieved much differently than Eric grieved. I went to the funeral. And this was 17 years ago and she still looks pretty broken up about it. Um, I'm I'm terribly sorry for your loss. Terribly sorry. Thank you for sharing that with another vid EK moved her AZ had was I don't know what that means. Uh, instead of stickers, please do magnets. You overreacted to my suggestion for a women's V-neck. Oh, overreacted. All I did was ask what kind of V-neck you're talking about. Oh. Oh. Oh. Many women do not like hoodie. Sister will know what I meant. Well, I will let her know. Please tell members to speak in complete sentences so that we can understand. Yeah. You got to understand I cannot see on my screen because I'm old. I cannot see the emojis. It's just too too small on this screen over here. Um, the little monitor that monitors what you guys see go out is is down there. It's pretty low and it's small and um and that's what I use to read your comments and so I can't see the emojis and I keep in mind like you guys are emailing at particular points.I mean, you're sending your messages a particular point in the show and if you're not clear about what you're talking about, I I get I get so lost and I I want I mean you you you put your valuable resources into the comments. I want to be able to to respond to them. Um, so that's good advice. Thank you, Kathy. Um, EK said she was five when Barkley was her coach. Barkley would have been a member of the Suns at that time. When EK was five, that would have been 1993. Uh, yeah, Charles Barkley was in his first season with the Phoenix Suns and he won the NBA's most valuable player. He led the team to a best the league best record of 62 and 20 and averaged 26 points and 12 rebounds a game. I'm not calling her a liar. I'm just letting the facts speak. You guys make your own conclusion. Uh do I think if everyone undercovers the correct people responsible for September 10th, do you think the FBI will prosecute the correct people? I think it depends on what kind of evidence there is. Yeah. Maybe hiding Catholicism to keep publicity fundraising money going to McCoy Church. I think Erica is more Catholic than she leads on. It's just a gut instinct. I don't have any facts to back them. Uh Matt Walsh's attempt to debunk Candace's first Erica episode didn't address anything. I just kept thinking that his head would explode if he watched one of your shows. [laughter] Matt Walsh used to live in the Nashville I said we could all get together and do a show together, but I don't think he lives here anymore. Uh Jesus loves everyone here watching. Can't everyone here like this for our high IQ host? Thanks in advance, everyone needs to like for the high IQ outfit. There's no doubt about it. And Jesus absolutely loves everyone here That last part. Did you notice the people in the background of the USA guy video? They're carrying something large and rectangle-shaped out of the area on the right side of the tent. Never noticed it I I've not noticed that. I I'll have to go back and look. I've not noticed that. Uh it's 4 a.m. in Poland. You got real fans. [laughter] Before I was doing this show four nights a week, I woke up around that time. Maybe the early birds. Uh if Nick Shirley and that old guy that probably does all the work, a CK part two. Is Nick Shirley and that old guy that probably does all the work a CK part two? Um, they're setting Nick Shirley up for something. I'm not sure what it is. On one of CEO's shows, I believe she said Bill Montgomery was friends with a couple who started the gifted school that Charlie Kirk went to when he was younger. I I just don't remember hearing that. I don't remember hearing any Bill Montgomery connection to that. I'll have to go back and look. I think we need to follow the nationalist roots. Also, I could see TPSA deleting EK because she's doing so bad as CEO and their company's going to tank and blame it all on the podcasters. Love you, Baron. Thank you. Um, love you, too. I I do think she's she's doing a a pretty poor job, but as long as the money's coming in, as long as the money's coming in, I don't know that they'll be that worried about it. But I'll tell you, they could have just about picked anybody and done better than they're doing right now. Bubba Baron, you're huge in Marblehead, Massachusetts. Am I? I've only been to Massachusetts a few times, but I've always loved it. I I just hate that they're they're so high tax and and crazy over there. But I mean, it's it's a beautiful state.Any part I've ever been to, I don't know. I've not seen it all, obviously, but I've been on the coast. I've been to Nucket. I've been to the Boston area. It's a gorgeous gorgeous state. But so's California, and they're wacky, too. So, I didn't break the curse literally, Baron. I did figuratively by putting down the drink. Oh, just a funny connection to my sobriety day. Gotcha. Gotcha. Got you. You got so happy they won you quit drinking. I got it now. I got it. I have a shot at catching Sunday's live show uh show live from the beginning. Excited. Here's hoping for no wrinkles. Crisis king. Crisis king indeed. Um yeah, I don't know yet what time it'll go up. I'm hoping for six. That would be ideal. Maybe as early as 5, maybe as late as seven. Just depends on what time we get done with it. Um, Lori also opened an LLC under Tanya's name as well. Did she really? Hi, Baron. Love your show. Getting a membership to celebrate mine and hubby's 11th anniversary today. He passed away in 2020, but we have two beautiful children and we grieve him still to this day. God bless Electric Blue Adidas. I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you for joining the members page. I think you'll have a lot of fun over there. We'll be there tomorrow. We'll be there tomorrow. I don't know what time we'll be there. It's probably going to be earlier than than normal. I've got a lot going on tomorrow. Um and I don't want to be on too late on Friday night. Um you know, you we have sort of these informal agreements with people like won't go in certain time slots. So, I don't want to go too late Friday night. I don't want to obviously be on when Candace is on um at 4ish, 5ish. I've got something to do at 1:30 to uh recording a podcast with somebody that'll come out sometime in the next week or two, probably. Um and so I I I don't know, but I am going to do a show tomorrow. Not sure exactly what time. Won't be 8 a.m. because I'll be doing the open. We're going to have fun. You're 100% right. Zinus show influencers post Candace is going to get Erica kilt over and over makes me think. Will they try for Eric and blame Candace inciting violence? That's what I fear. I think it makes more sense than Carla. Carla was 37. Like I understand the whole Carla thing, but Carla was 37. It does that doesn't make sense to me. but that but it makes more sense to me the other way. And then you would still Well, I don't want to get too into it. Notice the State of the Union when Trump recognized parents seated beside EK. EK kept trying to insert herself into that scene when the mom and dad stood up. The mom totally ignored EK. So Megan Markle. Did Tanya have an Italian boyfriend? That's a good find any other Italian roots for Erica. I don't know. Uh crazy you had that bad feeling about Erica just today. I thought of what if they say EK ends her life then blames pressure from CO and the investigation. Yeah, that that would be um please read the plot against the church from Maurice Pine. I'm Catholic. Love you Baron. Uh probably not going to read it, but I'll maybe I'll maybe I'll look into it and just see kind of what the summary is. I don't I don't have time to read that right now, but thank you for the suggestion. Look at Ad Fleet in here dropping memberships. There's one. There's another one there. Just killing it. Oh, athlete wrote a theme song for the program. I need to email It's country and western. Uh, blessings. Thank you. My guess, Lori and K paired as spy partners and both spies.It was a sham marriage or Lori was sheep dipped to Baby, I thought the wrinkle Candace raised today with with uh Kent's ex Jerry was pretty interesting and and kind of feeds into my kind of thought of maybe what all happened. I'm not ready to talk about it publicly yet, but it's it got my wheels spinning and and has me wanting to do a little additional research. Uh did Kent play while mommy was away? Oh, I see what you're saying. Maybe maybe them being in mass makes me wonder too because MIT is definitely a hub for the spies. Stayathome dad could have been a government contractor too, especially with wife's number one career. Starting Could have been. We are Catholics with the CMRI. I don't know what a CMRI is. What does that mean? Congregation of Mary the Immaculate Queen. I'm not familiar with that. Um, oh, set of aantist. Got you. Um, you think the gap could be military? She did wear the sergeant emblem linked in maybe fictitional. Well, it's it's an interesting gap. That's all I'll say. It's an interesting gap and I I don't know how to explain it. That's the problem. There's no there's really no explanation for it. Money had to be coming in from somewhere. Uh thank you for having Catholic for Catholics on an excellent organization with invaluable resources as a Catholic American. God bless. I I had him on because I like him. I like John. Uh did judges decide yet? Did judge decide yet if he's going to let the trial be televised? If it if he hasn't yet, did Erica didn't Erica recently come out saying she wants it to be? Would he take her wishes into account when making a decision? He might. I don't know. I think in in Utah, it's kind of a a judge's call, but it's it's uh there's a set of factors they have to follow, and I'm not sure if the deedants's wife's wishes is one of those factors. I don't think it is. I don't know whether legally he could take it into consideration, but he but he knows. I mean, I'm sure he's heard. Um, but I don't know that he's made that decision yet. I don't think that's part of the decisions he made. Candace stating stated BM wife was involved men's school. See, I don't I don't know what all that means. Like, that's not a complete sentence. That's not even something. Candace stated BM wife. Who's BM? Oh, Bill Montgomery's wife was involved in men's school. Oh, ex-men school. Okay, I got it. I got it. I got it. Calm down. I figured it out. Um, I need to find that episode because you guys uh you guys are insistent. Thoughts on 26.1? I hate wall balls. It's going to be miserable. Um, I I question the wisdom of putting that many wall balls and that many box jumpovers in a workout where, you know, people tend to try to do the RX workout even when maybe they're not qualified to do it. I worry about people's shins for one. Um I worry some people are going to miss box jumps and when you miss them they're they're just devastating. My wife missed a box jump one time and was she hurt her shin for like three months. You just took a gash out of the bone. Um so that I worry about that. I don't think it's finishable for all but the maybe maybe 10 total people in the world will finish that this year. Maybe 20. So, that's kind of another thought. Um, I don't like any workout where I have to look at the board in between stations to figure out where to go next.Like, if it's going to be wall balls and box jumpovers, I'd rather just have a set amount of each and just just cycle it out because this whole like do 30, do 18, do 40, do 18, do 66, do eight. What? That didn't even make sense. So, that's my thought, but I'm going to do it. I'll let you know how I do tomorrow. You were great tonight. Still high IQ. Love your show. You look amazing for your age. Oh. Thank you. Thank you. Uh wonder if Candace Blue Chair I don't know what that means. I wonder because I don't know. Uh you did not do a bad job. Nor John. Yep. Not a bad night from you. Bad guest in the chat. Ridiculous. I don't want to say bad guest. I mean people are entitled to their opinion. Uh, low IQ and people in chat. I'm embarrassed for us. Uh, don't be embarrassed. I mean, look, people are entitled not to like people, but I mean, just I've invited someone in. Let's let's be kind. Let's be kind. And the difference is he came in and wasn't attacking anyone. The other guest that people had a problem with that I brought in, unfortunately, used his time attacking people, and that that didn't that didn't play well, and I get that. John didn't attack anybody. He just explained things as he understood it. If you disagree, that's fine. Uh, thankful you and Candace Owen is going Max. Crisis King. Yes, Max. Indeed, we are going Max. Crisis King indeed. Uh, watch the parents sitting by EK. Reminded me of CK's parents at CK's White House award meeting. Both mothers were broken. Meanwhile, EK was doing her usual overeoting eye thing, smiling at Trump, etc. Yeah, that was weird. I really felt bad for his parents at that White House event. They looked broken. His dad had black eyes. Like that's you you are you are crying when you get black eyes like that. That is days of sobbing to have the black eyes he had. They were swollen. His mom did had no emo. Like his mom was just cooked. Very weird. She She wasn't I guarantee you neither of his parents were laughing on Zoom calls. I'll just promise you that neither one of them were laughing about the thumbs up emojis on the Zoom calls. Look, and I guarantee you neither of them said, "My son is dead." All right, not to be morbid, but my son is dead. I guarantee you those words never came out of their mouth because they were grieving. Another video, EK stated, "Dad was already an E and a in Arizona." I'll have to find that. The timing is is suspicious to me. Love from Nova Scotia, California. [laughter] Crisis King. Crisis King indeed. Uh Baron, I thought you coached 14U baseball. I did. Billy Goat was a co I know what the Billy Goat curse was. I didn't know I didn't know how he broke it. I didn't know how he himself broke the curse. Max Clark was drafted third overall by the Detroit Tigers. Franklin Indiana 2023 baseball draft. My grandfather played high school basketball in Franklin, Indiana. I think I got a picture of him in a basketball uniform on this at uh but that's not when he was in high school. Um so did uh Fuzzy Vanderver played basketball in Franklin, Indiana and uh is listed as one of the greatest high school basketball players of all time. He played like the 20s or 30s 100 years ago. Not like these 20s, not like five years ago. Uh, in my opinion, Baron is Baron is pointing out CK's early discovery by BM was planned targeting, not organic, allegedly set up from X-Men school allegedly. Yeah. So, my I don't know about the setup from the X-Men school, but it was set up from something.That's actual absolutely 100% my point. He did not show up at that event, listen to that speech, and go all in on Charlie and spend hours on the phone with him. No, no, no, no. It's not how it works. What Charlie did in that memorial post was give us insight into how these people are recruited. They send someone in your life and tell you how amazing you are and spend hours on the phone with you cultivating you and make sure you make the decision they want to make. That's what happened. That's what happened. Uh EK mentioned at one point she desired to play pro basketball. How her tear ducts can't All right. All right. That's funny. That's funny. You got me. Love your show. And fam Baron. I had my last kid at 45. Don't tell me that the Mrs. Coleman's 47 and not that I would be devastated to have another child, but I would be sort of devastated. [laughter] I'm fine with it if the Lord has determined we're past that in our life. That would be okay with me. When I found out I was pregnant, I Googled, "Can you fall pregnant at 45?" Apparently, you can. I'm the lucky 1%. My teenage daughter was horrified. Christ love you. Did I say you or And um I mean everything went fine. He's a great kid. He's five now. He's great. He goes, "Well, I'm not going to tell you what his name is, but hey Baron, you rock, dude. You're a honest dude and I believe you. Christ is always king. Never forget." I will never forget Christ is King. Peace be with you and your family from SoCal. Well, you've got better weather than we do. There's no doubt about that. Every time I go out there, I think, man, why would I always think when I'm here, why would anyone live in California? Like middle Tennessee is amazing. Government's pretty easy to deal with. Taxes are minimal. Freedom reigns. You know, you kind of do whatever you want. And I hear all the horror stories out of California. I'm like, why would anyone live there? And then you go visit, you're like, oh yeah, the weather. That's why. It's absolutely perfect every day. That's why. Except when the hills are on fire. Um, I appreciate your respect for multiple faiths. You lead by example. Reminder, churches are microcosms of society. all types of people, good and bad, exist within them just as they do anywhere else. Yeah, I have a lot of respect for um people of different faiths. I mean, I say that as a Catholic who ob I mean, we all do, right? If you're if you go to a Baptist church, you obviously think they're right. So, I obviously think Catholics are right. But that doesn't mean I look at someone else and say they're an idiot. How could they not see the truth? I mean, that's that's that's a kind of an arrogant way to look at life. And I I try not to do that. You know, I believe if I was born in Thrron or Riad, probably would be a Muslim, probably would be doing my best, right? I mean, because that's that's all I would be exposed to. Um, I can't say that, but I mean, it's it's the reality. We're a product, a lot of us, of where we're born. Um, but that's you know, you grow up in a rural area and you you you know the there's only two churches in town, the Baptist and the Presbyterian. You've always gone to the Baptist church. They probably say all kinds of horrible things about the Presbyterian church on the other side of town. [laughter] You probably grow up thinking they're crazy and they probably think you're crazy. Uh, so thanks for your comment. Uh, thanks for all your hard work, Daisy, too. Yes. Yes, yes, yes.Everybody's working hard around here. No doubt about it. Uh, thank you. You're welcome. And thank you. Candace, episode 296 talks about CK X-Man school connection to Bill Montgomery and wife. Starts at 29:15. See, that's what I need. Candace Owens episode 296. What's the time stamp? 29:15. Thank you. That's going to help me get there. That's what I needed. That's what I needed. Uh, thoughts on Tucker Huckabe interview. I've given those. Um I think Tucker absolutely annihilated Mike Huckabe. I think Mike Huckabe is a Mike Huckabe is a detestable human being. I've always thought that. Um even when he was a governor of Arkansas and his big sticktick was the Tax Me more fund. I thought that was hokey. Um he's he's long had horrific position and advocated for the worst people of society. And I I find him just disgusting. But I find a lot of people like that in politics. It doesn't surprise me that he's risen kind of the top of the game. I wouldn't vote for Mike Huckabe for anything. I don't I honestly don't care who's on the other side. I'm going to vote for unless I mean I guess unless they're worse, but then I just won't vote. Great work school. I go with yo with you go All right, Baron. So thankful for your brilliant mind, unique sense of humor, hard work, and honesty. Good to know you're just as dedicated to your diet and fitness, so you'll be staying a long while. I need to my So Mrs. Coleman had a come to Jesus with me meeting last night. I know you're doing the more podcasting. I know it's taken a lot of hours. You used to work out almost every day. When are we going to get this corrected? [laughter] And I'm thankful she's like that. I'm thankful she's like that. I told her it's going to start tomorrow morning. I worked out yesterday. It's not like I don't work out at all. My legs are still a little toasty from yesterday. Um I don't know how those wall balls are going to feel tomorrow. We'll find out. Uh Baron. So, oh, guess I could read it again. Flattery does go a long way with me. Thank you. Uh, Baron, keep being you and your beautiful soul you are. Christ is king. Jesus loves you. Much love to you and for all you do. God bless. Christ is king indeed. Thank you. Thank you for saying that. Very kind and very kind donation. Thank you. I hate the divide between Catholics and Protestants where Christians the house divided cannot stand. I don't like the divide either. I don't like the picking at each other. That's what bothers me. if you want to have educated discussions about the differences and then maybe come to some kind of an agreement or I'm all for that. But the the picking I don't like. And that's that's as a Catholic that's what bothers me the most. And it's in my emails too. I get a lot of them of people saying you guys do this that. Settle down. Settle down. Your show tonight was on point, sir. Go Max Baron. Jesus loves you. Well, Jesus loves you. Thank you. Comments are chippy today. Let's lighten it up. Thank you. Thank you. Can't wait for Go back to the basics bearing bombshell that's coming Sunday. Oh, it's We're going back to the scene of the crime. We're going back to the scene of the crime. Big story. It's a wild story. I'll tell you that. Go Max Baron. from Kuck Bucks. Cradle Catholic going back to my baptismal church because of you. God bless you, sir. Thank you. God bless you. And thank you for the Kuck Bucks. I had to go tier one. Passed Illinois bar exam after 25 graduation. Thank you, Baron.Inspiration for sobriety and Catholic faith. Father Michael Gabriel here. Uh Padre, you're a priest and a lawyer. Actually, you know what? The Archbishop of Mobile for years was a priest and a lawyer. He was a lawyer who later in life went to seminary, became a priest. Then he became a canon lawyer. Then he u became a a bishop and then um and then became the archbishop of Mobile. So yeah. Well, thank you, father. Thanks for checking in. And this is my first fall full live chat I've been able to catch. Just got up at all your shows since the beginning. Thank you for being you. That's a heart. Oh. Some of those early shows had technical difficulties. You'll you'll bear with us as we had to improve some of the equipment as more and more people Uh without with ill email about possible IVF ties for Erica Kirk and you clinic was problematic in the 80s and 90s. Want to know if any military ties with the doctor. Okay, thank you. Um check in on my grumblers over here. I'm sure they have comments. What are you people saying? What are you people saying? Oh, what tangle tangled webs we we Thank you for all you do. Love, thank you for your show. Well, thank you. Uh, why are we not digging into Charlie's parents? Mom was a therapist. Dad connected to Trump Towers. It's not adding up. We must must dig from the start on them, too. Thanks for all you're doing. You think they killed their kid? That's why that's why I've not dug. I mean, I've I've kind of looked into them, but wouldn't it be cool if the Sunday Amazing Drop was Rumble only? Ha. Great research as always. Um, I've talked to the people at Rumble about doing some Rumble only shows. There's There's some issues with it that we have to iron out. Uh, please, Baron, a Grumbler mug. Oo, thank you. We are an extra special group. I like that, Jojo. I like that. Get you a little Grumblers merch, Baron. and they're denying CK's Catholicism because most Protestants believe their way is the only way to heaven. They would lose money support from the board again supporters. That's that's kind of a fear I have that that might be an issue that it's a it's a pure money play. It's not really a spiritual play. I sent you all my research I did for Candace on Bill's wife and her super school titled Bill's Wife. Thank you. I'll check it out. Make sure you send it to the right email address. [email protected] [email protected]. Came here from YouTube just so you could get full tip super chat. I think grumble takes more of it. The only thing they don't um take is that tip button. If you click the tip button, it scans to a Rumble wallet. It's I think it's crypto only, but they don't take any of that. Rumble takes a huge chunk out of the supers. To everyone who's a jerk, Baron is blue. Baron in blue is cooler than you. The bomb.com. Thank you, Dom. I didn't know people were being a jerk. Baron, thank you for all your hard work. Daisy and your sister, too. And all and also loved your guest, John. shedding some light on Charlie's faith in his last days. Thank you. Uh, so many MDs in the house with unsolicited prescriptive advice. If others you what you should do, they are speaking from a place of ego and not wisdom. Wisdom doesn't tell tell people what they should do on your show. Well, you guys are snippy over there. Can you believe the grumblers act like that? I'm over here. Well, you guys had your They just It's just like they woke up That's the grumblers. Um, what's a Zarbuk Z? I'm checking it out.Z currency. That is the South African rand. South African Rand. I wonder if it's named after Rand Paul or Einrand. Uh notice Jesse's view on CK changed after receiving cease and desist. He doesn't believe what he's putting out that CK is alive. Jesus is Israel. The body of Christ therefore is Israel. Jesus chooses those who choose him. Um Um, I don't know that he got one, did he? I don't think Jesse got a cease and assist. I think um, Wolves in Finance did. Candace did. I don't think Jesse got. And I'm looking at the date on when theirs went out. It says early 2026 on this January 20th 2026. I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but I I appreciate it. Uh, hey Baron, my son wants to know how tall you are. 6 foot even. Even Stephen, please don't get discouraged from comments. Satan wants to discourage you. I am here to tell you that you're doing the Lord's work. Keep going. Christ is king. Could EK parents be common law? No records? Uh, no. I don't think so because they give a marriage date, right? I just think they got married in a state we hadn't found yet. We've looked in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Maybe we'll try Kentucky because that's kind of down by Cincinnati. I don't know. I think I just think they got married in a state we haven't looked yet or a state that doesn't publish them. I don't know. It's been a great show. Don't worry about the extra noise. Bub, you call me Bub. [laughter] Why is birth certificate in Ohio if they lived in Massachusetts? Is it possible EK's sister is a birth mother? If not, where's your sister? I think they lived in Mass. Remember they we said they moved back to Ohio in 88. two months. She took the job at GE or she took the job in Ohio two months before Erica Kirk She started working for that Cincinnati Bell two months before. Let me pull my run back up. Let me look at her timeline real quick. We you Oh, please. You may be on to something. Uh where's her LinkedIn? I'm not there. Uh here it is. She took a job at Cincinnati Bell September of 88, two months before Erica I'm assuming Tanya was living in Ohio at the time. I don't think she Well, this is a fascinating development. You may be on to something. That'sa really good point that I've not made a John Bray