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7212.370 LeiC01)-r+- ft VicikkrexT10\• EFTA00223371 LAW OFFICES Of GEBALD B. DEPODURT, P.C. A PROFESSIONAL CORPORATION 148 EAST 78P4 STREET NEW YORK, NEW YORK 10021 GERALD B. LEFCOURT SHERYL E. REICH RENATO C. STABILE 11.1111.1 VIA FEDERAL EXPRESS Escl: Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida 500 South Australian Avenue, Suite 400 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 Dear TELEPHONE (212) 737-0400 FACSIMILE February 23, 2007 Re: Jeffrey Epstein Thank you once again for meeting with us regarding our client, Jeffrey Epstein. As you know, in advance of last Tuesday's meeting we provided you with the recorded interviews of various witnesses taken in the state's investigation. At the meeting, we disclosed that, as part of our own preparation, we made working transcripts of these recordings. You have asked for copies of the transcripts and we have discussed various ways that that might be accomplished without compromising Mr. Epstein's position and rights. To assist in your bringing this investigation to a close, enclosed are highlighted excerpts of the transcripts. The excerpts support our argument that no federal prosecution should be brought in this matter. Please note that these transcripts are drafts and subject to further review and revision. They are provided as a courtesy and in furtherance of our discussions and therefore are not usable by you for any purposes. By accepting these transcripts you agree never to contend that any revisions made thereto compare unfavorably to the drafts provided; nor will you use the drafts otherwise to the detriment of Mr. Epstein. EFTA00223372 LAW OririCCEI or GERALD B. Japatounir, P.C. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 2 The excerpts fall generally into the following five subject areas and are therefore. arranged in the numbered tabs. Note, the witnesses were not all asked the same questions and therefore, not every witness touched on every subject area we here consider relevant': Tab 1: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to touch, nor did the women in fact touch, his genitals; Tab 2: Mr. Epstein did not ask the women to engage, nor did they in fact engage, in sexual intercourse with him; Tab 3: Not only did Mt Epstein not search out women under the age of 18, but the vast majority of the women from whom he received massages during the period were 18 or older. To the extent the witnesses were asked, they admitted being told that Mr Epstein would not allow them into his house if they were not 18 and that if they were not 18, they were told (by friends, not by Mr. Epstein or anyone employed by Mr. Epstein) to lie about their age. Again, to the extent they were asked in the interviews, they admitted that, if the subject of age did come up in conversation with Mr. Epstein, those under 18 falsely claimed to him that they were 18; Tab 4: Mr. Epstein did not coerce, threaten or otherwise pressure the women in an effort to force them to do anything; to the extent they were asked, they admitted they understood they could decline to accede to any of Mr. Epstein's requests; and, Tab 5: Prior to going to Mr. Epstein's home, virtually all of the women were apprised of what they would be asked to do or, if they claimed they were not, they had no objection tgavhat occurred, since they either returned to give further massages or they brought others to do or both. Of course, irrespective of what any particular witness said at her interview on any particular point, in many instances fanciful claims are contradicted by the witness herself elsewhere in her statement, by documentary evidence, and/or by other witnesses. Moreover, the witnesses suffer from significant credibility problems based on universally accepted tests for credibility: bias, motive, prior bad acts, etc., some of which we have already previewed in the February 1, 2007, letter. EFTA00223373 LAW OFFICES OF GERALD B. LEFa3URT, P.O. Assistant United States Attorney Office of the United States Attorney Southern District of Florida February 23, 2007 Page 3 Finall ursuant to our re uest we have included copies of the full working transcripts of the an recordings. If you have any questions regarding any of the materials we have provided please feel free to contact us. Very truly yours, cc: Lilly Ann Sanchez, Esq. Gerald B. EFTA00223374 • EFTA00223375 717 RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIMV'ILLPD :NTERVINN OF EFTA00223376 DRAFT 1 and that, I don't know, we just don't talk anymore. 2 Q which was? 3 A 4 and -- 5 A And Jen. / don't know if has ever slept 6 with him. I can't speak for her. But he liked her the 7 most. I don't know why he liked her the root but it was 6 always working for him. And she wouldn't just bring 9 girls. She would work for him. 10 Q HOW much money do you think she made? 11 A I don't know. She never really -- the first time 12 1 brought her she made 200, After that I think she started 13 making like 300. It's not accurate, Like I can't -- 14 Q The more you do the more you get paid. 15 A Pretty much. 16 Q I know you said that. But -- 17 A Richt. I think she made 300 after that. I think 18 WIC started making like 300 19 Q Does he make the girls touch him down there? 20 A r don't know. 21 Q to that part of the massage? 22 A It wasn't with me. He never asked me:to touch him 23 or Lonele him, He sever asked me, I don't know if he's 24 Mier asked the other girls. It wee never really brought up. 25 It was always him touching them, MaliaNarIPSISMIIINIftWW•elf AIMMIPPAL AMIGA EFTA00223377 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTE/N DRAFT VTDEOTAVED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00223378 DRAFTPage 19 1 Q Three hundred. And that was the last tine you 2 went? 3 A (Nods head yes ) 4 Q when ho touched your brcaat area, you didn't hove S a bra on? 6 A I didn't have a bra cos, 7 Q tor didn't have a bra on. And your buttocks? 13 A Ch-huh 9 Q Was that over your panties or under your panties? 10 A Like : have a thong on 80. 11 Q You had thongn. Okay All right uid he pull 12 you close to hire? 13 A Yeah. 14 Q And all this while he was masturbating? 15 A (Nods head yes.) 16, p bia:he have you touch 17 . A No.. 18 Q Aside from the .maseage. touch -t4ty in his penis 19 aced? 20 A lioh7!loh;- No: 21 Q Did you bring anyone else other ;hem 22 A 23 Q - - 24 A 2S C IIII. Do you know A_OX IS last name? I 1.8 • ; s EFTA00223379 Paget IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP EFTA00223380 DRAFT 1 2 3 4 Q A Q A Page S Right. They cover enough. They don't show too much Okay, You messaged him? Oh-huh. 5 Q pie he try to touch you in any way? 6 A No. 7 Q Did he introduce any toys or massagers slash 8 vibrators? 9 A No, Huh-huh, 10 Q Did he aik:yoU to touch him? 11 A Just to give him a massage, 12 Q I mean 13 A Oh, no. Huh-huh. 14 Q No? 15 A I would have said no anyways That's gross. 16 Q Okay. Did he touch himself? 17 A Yeah 18 0 Okay. And I mean, X mean by touching himself, did 19 he masturbate? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Okay. Do you know if he got to the point where he 22 climaxed? 23 A He did• 24 0 He did. Mae that the only time you ever went? 25 A one time. EFTA00223381 0.! Page 1 IN 1-0.;: WE'flREY EPSY8ih DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OP EFTA00223382 DRAFTPage 12 1 A Okay. My bad. 2 0 I was writing that quickly, , and I was 3 thinking Johanna 4 A Okay, That's fine. 5 Q All right. was there anybody ever at the house 6 that you provided a massage to aside from Jeffrey? 7 A No. No. 8 0 9 him? 10 A NO pgrOD the 1408A8013:.:04 haever:4a.k -Yovvto t00a4: 11 Q Did be touch himself? 12 A Yes. 13 Q Would ha be just touching aimaelf or would he be 14 masturbating? 15 A He would masturbate. 16 Q Okay. How would you know that the massage was 17 over? 18 A He would come. 19 Q He climaxed? 20 A Yeah. 21 Q Again, I've talked to a lot of girls and II far 22 everything seems to be in the norm, II that's why I'm saying 23 don't, I know it's a little embarrassing. 24 Did you ever meet any other girls that (tame to the 25 house? IWIN.4•MfS•1••••••••••75 I t EFTA00223383 •••••••1111,"TOP.,1," r•••••-cr•-••••. I dO MalAUSINI OZdYI Linn Amtlsar ;31i. MI oSrd EFTA00223384 DRAFTPage 12 Did fulever askyt4tiotoUCh him? 2 A No. Oas eurprisediaboilt that 3 because he never'esked bet (inaudible) . 4 BY DETECTIVE DAWES, 5 Q Okay Cid you ever see him nude? Naked? 6 A I wasn't paying attention. Ne got in the shower 7 in front of WA but X wasn't paying attention. 0 Q Co you can see -- the shower you could see from 9 the room? 10 A There was the shower and then he has like a bath 11 If you come up into hie bedroom, I don't really remember. 12 but if you come into his room theroln a shower. As you come 13 into the bathroom part there's a shower right here. And 14 then a massage table right here And then there was a couch is going around right hers. And the shower (inaudible) ha took 16 a shower and helm like feel comfortable and I was like okay, 17 I don't remember if he asked me to take off my clothes, my 18 top and my bottoms, but I think he did. I'm not sure. I 19 have bad memory It was a long time ago. 20 0 Okay II if you wanted to look, he would have 21 been naked in front of yogi you just made it a choice not to 22 look? 23 A Right. 24 BY DETECTIVE ■ 25 Q Okay NOININ • le M! I II EFTA00223385 DRAFT 1 2 • U. Detective 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 5 MP. I.D. #8059, reference case number 05.368. The time now, by my watch, Is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15/05. (Inaudible) I 8 UNK: Just 9 Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name 10 please? 11 • 12 Spell your name please? 13 • 14 • And your date of birth? 15 16 ■And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back, Family Therapist. 18 Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-Y B-A-C-K. 20 n. And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KB' Yes. 22 III Okay. I'm here today; , and I have stated briefly why I'm here Is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, 0, a girl y0u know. Page 1 of 43 • EFTA00223386 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 18 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 a: 0: • • Are you lying about anything? •No I'll swear on the bible. Okay. Swearing to God, that's good enough for me. I swear to God. Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. • that's it. You did not have any kind of sex with him. Heck not! I will swear on my mother's grave... You know what having sex with somebody means? Yes, I know what having sex with somebody means. Okay. You, at no time. touched his penis? At no time did I touch his penis. At any time, did he touch you..... At no time... Besides putting his hands... Besides that, no times did he touch me. And just. I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. Yes, I saw him. Okay. And as far as you think think, I know, web, I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises were being made when he was (inaudible). And that's it. I thank you very much This will conclude the interview. The time now by my watch Is approximately 3:05. Page 43 of 43 EFTA00223387 Page 1 IN RE: jEFEREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF 1 • Pia EFTA00223388 1 A Yeah. 1)11AFT Wage 6 2 Q Okay. 3 A Well, no. :t was the second time that I gave him 4 a massage. The first time i went up with 5 Q Okay. You want uostairs with 6 A No, T was 1h the kitchen. 7 Q You were in the kitchen That was -- you only had two times that you went mnere? 9 A Yeah, 10 Q the first time you didn't do anything but just sit 11 in the kitchen? 12 A Yeah. 13 Q Whc did you sit in the kitchen with? 14 A He had a coos that was there and he had -- there 15 was -ike two other girls there that :Ave with him. 16 Q Ckay, Did yon massage his baok7 was he naked 1'7 when yo..: were massaging Mn? 18 A Well, he had like a towel around his -- his ipper 19 was (inaudible) but he had like a towel around him, 20 Q Okay. Did he over remove that towel? 21 A No. 27 Q When you were massaging him he never removed the 23 Lowe:? 24 A Nu. 25 Q Okay... 'Did you did'hA*70 YO”.g614ahlti's— -/1 EFTA00223389 private Area? DRAFT 2 A NO, No. .I, wouldn't . do tifLAP. Page '7 3 Q You wouldn't do that? 4 Okay. Did he touch you in your private area? b A No. KO. 6 Q No. 7 A He kept like staring at me and like, I don't knew, 8 I just felt uncomfortable and I _eft. But I heard other stories that like -- 10 0 Right_ I'm concerned with you. I know about 11 other stories and I've interviewed other people have :old me 12 different things. That's why I'm trying to find oat what 13 happened to you. Okay? 14 A Uh-huh. 15 Q You're the victim in this that's why I'm trying 16 tc find out whaL happens Lo you 17 A Ch-huh. 18 Q Okay? Who took you upstairs to the room? 19 A This girl that lives with him. 20 Q Okay. II tcok you ap? 21 A Yea. 22 O Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? 23 A Huh-huh. There's a massage table and she jLet 24 laid a toweL down and she said that Jeffrey will be oLt Col 4 1 EFTA00223390 (*1 ( EFTA00223391 DRAFT 1 i5 Detective PIM= 2 a IIMMI 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 5 MP I.D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch, Is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3/15105. (Inaudible) 411•1=IIMI B UNK: Just 9 Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name 10 please? 11 12 5 Spell your name please? 13 ■ WM 14 MP' And your date of birth? 15 16 5 And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back, Family Therapist. 18 • Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-1' B-A-C-K. 20 5 And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KB' Yes. 22 5 Okay. I'm here today; and I have slated briefly why I'm here Is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a friend of yours, r a gin you know. Page 1 of 43 EFTA00223392 DRAFT Are you lying about anything? 2 it No. I'll swear on the bible. 3 I. Okay. Swearing to God. that's good enough for me. 4 I swear to God. 5 ■Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to talk to me about? 6 No, because that's about....nothing else about the whole thing. 7 Sohlbars It. You did notlhave.any Idndof sex 8 SG: Neck no!! I will sweat on my moth&a graWs.,. . 9 You kntth what havIng.sex With somebody means? 10 • Yes. I know what havIngSeX with somebody means: 11 5 Okay. You, at no time, touched his penis? 12 a At no time did I touch his penis. 13 ■ At any time. did he touch you 14 At no time... 15 5 Besides putting his hands... 16 Besides that, no times did he touch me. 17 ■ And just I I can be sure, you saw him whacking off once. 18 5 Yes, 1 saw him. 19 5 Okay. And as far as you think..,. 20 • I think, I know, well, I couldn't say I know, but Ws the same noises were being 21 made when he was (Inaudible). 22 5 And that's It. I thank you very much. This will conclude the fritoMow. —he time 23 now by my watch 13 approximately 3:05 Page 43 of 43 Il EFTA00223393 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF • EFTA00223394 DRAFT Page 21 1 A (Shakes head no.) 2 Q Okay. "'his case is basically an investigation, an 3 open investigation, II T apprecta7e it vault we discuss stays 4 hero. Okay? 5 A Uh-hvh, 6 0 Don't tell anybody Lint we, that we talked, Okay? 7 A Okay. 8 Q Did you ever have any intereourse with him? 9 10 Q Nc oral? li A (Shakos hood no.) 12 Q Nothing? 13 A Nothing else. 14 Q ifsay. I'm going to show you a group of 15 photographs I'm golng to show you a grump of six L6 photographs. Okay? I'm trying, trying to see if this 17 is it these six photos Okay? It's important that. you look 18 at all six of then and ba sure who you pick as the porson as 19 Okay? She may or may not be in thane stx photos bum 20 it's important for you to pick the right one. Okay? 21 A Jh-huh 22 Q Take your time looking at those six photos there. 23 A I don't see her, 24 0 She's not it those photos there? 25 A No i JIMAIMIW•POW )4•11.o iv..YWVs Ann —as I I EFTA00223395 C C ( EFTA00223396 DRAFT 1 Detective 2 3 KB: Kathy Back 4 S N I-D. #8059, reference case number 05-368. The time now, by my watch. is 6 approximately 6 minutes past 2pm on 3115/05. (Inaudible) I B UNK: Just High Ridge Family Center. 9 Okay, the Present also Is...could you state your name 10 please? 11 12 • Seel your name please? 13 14 And your date of birth? 16 16 And you are? 17 CB Cathy Back. Family Therapist. 18 N. Could you spell your name please? 19 KB: K-A-T-H-Y 20 • And you're her family therapist? Am I correct? 21 KW Yes. 22 In Okay. I'm here today; , and I have stated briefly why I'm here is in 23 reference to an Incident that happened to a Mend of yours, or a girl you know. Page 1 of 43 EFTA00223397 DRAFT 3 4 5 6 7 lc 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 a a a a a • '■■■■■ a Okay. After everything was done, okay. did he watch you get dressed? No. Cause I was gettng dressed while he was out there getting the $300. I guess that's what he was doing. That's the ony thing he came back In wtth. le was stil in a towel and stuff. In the room, at all, do you think...and I don't know if there Is or not, but do you think there is anything in there that may have recorded what you did/ Oh my gosh..,, A video camera... Oh my gosh. I didn't think about that. There was lots of places there could have been one because there's pictures, that could have been, I don't know... When he walked out... the reason why I ask Is because he walked out once and then owns back in, right? Yet lit could be just he could whack off. Twee just curious. I don't know if there Is or not. If there was, I did not know about It. Okay. Myou get dressed, you go downstairs. Where is !hat woman again? Downstairs to Ildng to and the other girl. Okay. They were having a conversation. Okay. Al anytime, did he speak to you or does he knoW how old you'are. did he know how old you were? Okay. Yes. And, es a matter of fact, Haley told meto say I. was 18; becauSe , Page 38 of 43 EFTA00223398 DRAFT 1 sakilen him you're 18 because it you're not, ne won't let yeti in his house 2 Go I said lie\ was 18. As I was gifting him a maSsage; he;was like how old are- 3 you, And thent-Was 181 But ',kind of said It realiy-fait neca6se lI didn't arant,to 4 'make tt sound 9ke9 was lying or anything. 5■ what other things did he ask you? 6 •Gin, how f knove what school I went to. 7 Did you tell him what school you went to? SG: Yeah but f told hIrriall. i d dnl ten him- eMP. Did he ask you What grade you weraki Or did you fell hirn.whet grade you were 10 in? 11 •Yeah, he was like what grade are you in? Because I told him I was In 12" grade 12 13 •Okay. 14 ■Because I told him I was 18 so l had to... 15 you told him you were in 12" grade? 16 •Yes. 17 Are you sure? 18 ■Yea. 19 ■Okay. What else did you talk about? 20 ■Um, that's about it. And he was kind of asking me like how I knew-, is 21 nice to me and then he told me how he knew and he was like, I was 22 'flatlet like, how do you know-. Cause I brought up the conversation. He 23 said went know because she's been working for ma for a long time. And Page 3Dof 43 EFTA00223399 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OP VI. tar. • EFTA00223400 DRAFT Page 9 1 BY DETECTIVE 2 Q You said ho used the vibrator but where did he use 3 it? Where did be touch you with it7 4 A in my lcwer area. 5 Q Your lower area'? Salow your waist? 6 A (Inaudible.) 7 by DETECTIVE Q Okay, Eow long did he keep the vibrator on? 9 A A few seconds Not long. It wasn't Long. 10 Q Okay. Did you tell him you didn't like that or -- 11 A No. I told him -- I didn't tell his no and I 12 didn't tell him that I wasn't comfortable, 1 wasn't 13 cumfortable but I didn't tall hurl that. And like I said, 1 14 made the money that day no., 15 0 Did you guys discuss aytliang? 16 A NUh-huh. 11 Q1.d'Ile Ask lTAS'YoUT , App. 10 A Yeeh, I told him I was 18 19 Q You told him you were 11? Okay. Er.d he want you 20 to uonve3 i,ack7 21 A Ma said he would love if 2 coma back sometime but I 1 22 I never went back.! 23 Q You never went back. You only went one time i 24 What was and doinl when you were I 25 upstairs? I I / i EFTA00223401 ale •••• •• • ••• •• Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIMMED INTERVIEW Oa= I EFTA00223402 DRAFT Page 12 a or be didn't earci 2 a I don't think ha eased. He told re the younger 3 the better. 4 0 The younger the batten all right. 5 A Pretty such untie how it worked Re didn't -- 6 let ea just pat it this way. be -- I tried to bring hie, X 7 tried Co briny lam a MAMA who ram 23 and he didn't really 8 like it. 9 Q Et didn't go for it? 10 A It's not that ha didn't go for it. It's just that it he didn't ears for it And ate likes the girls that are 12 between the ages of like 18.and 28. 13 Q Okay. 11 A But mostly the g_rls I -- I think soma of them lie 15 about their age. I know that when I started oft young / 16 think le know bettor to believe a I think he knew that I 17 was younger, like 17, but I told him that I was like 18, 18 Q Okay 19 A MoStCO the girl* 1464 iate.:owy so to: theta, 20 Q Rghc. Because mail said ellEeoms 21 A Man. )494t.4:0*1 74 !;•lifys,lie4; - ' 32 Q How do you contact hull? How do you know when he's 23 in town nod Ruff 11ks that? 22 A calls tie, 26 0 Oh, oaths you? •••••••••ap EFTA00223403 Page 1 im RE; JEFFREY EPOTELN DRAFT VTDEOTAPED INTE•RVTFW 01IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 1 EFTA00223404 Page 14 1 A Yeah, $100 more juot to take my shirt off. 2 Q Okay. And you said you didn't do U. 3 A No. 4 Q Okay. iid he masturbate on the secont tine 5 A Yoah. 6 Q And d_ci he ever climax? 1 A Actually the second tiso like it waan't that bed 8 because he was like on the phone, all the time end so he 9 wasn't paying attention to whet was going on. 10 Q Did he aver at any point. masturbate the second 11 time? 12 A No. Mot that I remember 13 Q Did he over ask you any ouostiona or speak to you 14 or as.< you anything? :5 A Weill, he tried to talk cc yes just to make you 16 comfortable with the situation like wreee do you work and 17 like how such do you make at your work and then he start 18 saying you can mate more wtth nw, but i didn't tees JAR° it 19 was right. 20 Q Did he eve: know your real age? 21 A After a while like because somebody told rim. 22 0 T:.at you wort -- 23 A Yeah, 24 (,) -• 17? 25 A hike Holey told U8. we were.suopeald.to say wo •.• aretWOorwOrmil EFTA00223405 Page 15 1 Were 10, 2 Q And who to= d'. Yon 'thni'.:to 3ey%tiliet7 3 4 5 A was the one who brought. everything to 6 eveIyone at school. That's 'Icy we know Snout it Chen she 7 took and took me Q Okay. oath tine you did go, did get 9 money for caking you or -- 10 A Weil, went with me twice I guess. And that 11 was it. Than I went w_lh 12 Q Okay. And did mho make money? Did IIII make 13 money for taking you to him? -4 A No, I ass taking her. 1, 0 Oh. you ware taking nor II you brought -- 16 A She knew about it and she ask me it I could tell 37 her because mho didn't know where it was But I didn't get /8 money out of. that. 79 0 Okay. Did anybody ever help you do a massage wlt.h 20 `tit 21 A No. asked a :o do it with her and I didn't 22 feel oomfortobIo. 23 0 All right. All right 1e1k to me shoat the third 24 tits you went. 25 A 1 don't remember :t was like kind of always -- WILMA TrOWIT.C.a. EFTA00223406 i • 1i 1 1I I i 4 EFTA00223407 DRAFT Page 13 1 A He came. 2 Q Okay. 1 A Because he was like, made a big sigh of relief 4 like he had been done and he just got right back up and -- 5 Q Do you know where he cane on? was it on the 6 towel? Was it on himself? on the bed or -- 7 A I think it was on the towel like right between his 8 legs probably. 9 Q Okay. An I told you before and L explained to 10 Yolks mom, what he did was wrong, okay? 12 A Uh•huh, 12 Q I want to reassure you on that. Okay? 13 At any point did he ever ask you to leave your 14 phone number or -- 15 A No Ho didn't ask ne for anything. Like I think 16 he asked me my name in the beginning 17 Q Did he know your age? 18 A I don't think -- be did. .4 think he did. 19 Downotaire Yolanda was i6:they askydu hoW 20 oLd are you just say you're 18 Mit he never askedne hOW.O14L 21 1 wae. 22 Q Okay. 23 A I tkcugbt you had to be a,oertain'ege to manage 24 .eomeone, 25 0 Do you have any formal massage training, a a EFTA00223408 Page 1 IN RIC: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VLDSOTAPED INTBRVIRN OP mill I I rI 1 EFTA00223409 DRAFT Page 9 1 Q Okay. All right. When you would go back and do 2 the massage, would it, would it maintain the same or were 3 ,pure things -- 4 A Well, no I mean I would take my jeans oft a lot 5 o£ times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with 6 him, I never did anything to him. Nothing like that, 7 Q Okay I. it safe to ensues that you provided the manage wearing only pantie.? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 he ever touch you? 12 A Like I moan he would like touch my hip or whatever 13 but I mean that, that.° really it 14 0 Okay, 15 A And if I lever like asked, if 2 ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't went you to touch 17 se, he'd ha like fine. (inaudible., 18 0 Add this ell odeUtred.9thin rolijSere le thiregheJ 19 right) 20 A Vh-hub. I had been 18 for like eight menthe; m4ne 21 uontho already. My birthday's to June eq 1:hadlean:lErfor : 22 a while. 23 Okay. You're 19 now though right) 24 A Yea. Yea. 25 0 it was about a year ago when you met him. 4 a EFTA00223410 I I PROS 1 TN RE! JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF 1 I EFTA00223411 DRAFT Page 8 1 that's Lt I lust told him -- 2 Q Did be come up hare or did you meet with ham in 3 Florida? 4 P He Came up here. Q Oh, he came up here? 6 A Yeah. 7 Q He met you right here? 8 A Not here. I didn't want to meet. I met hat at 9 Wal-Mart and I just -- he just kept asking mu questions that 10 I didn't know the answer to so 11 Q Was he en investigator? Was he an attorney? 12 A I don't know. I don't think he was an attorney 13 because he kept saying the information he's getting from me 14 is going to go to Jeff's attorney ■ t don't think ho was an 15 attorney. 16 BY DRT80TIVE 17 0 What kind of questions vas he asking? If the 18 police were involved? 19 A Yeah if -- how the police got involved. I said 1 20 I don't know What kind of questions they were asking. I 21 said T don't know because I haven't been questioned yet. 22 And just like bow old I woo when I went there and basically 23 like you guys are aeking what I did when Z went there 24 BY InT8CTIVR RE0A52YI 25 Q WOw hom.oldteita you when yon Bitet:erartad.goiag' —msnemmer.. 1 EFTA00223412 DRAFT Page 9 1 there? 2 A iTightWee'. .14.4iiii;;I: this ii‘O 3 0 March of 'OS, right? 4 A Yeah. And : turned 19 (inaudible) 5 0 And did he question at the same time? g A Did the guy? No- 7 Q Did hi ever? 8 said she didnst want to 9 0 Okay. And he said he wan a representative of 10 Jeffrey Hpatein7 11 A Yes. 12 0 Did he call you or did Jeffrey or - - 13 A No, he called me. This is the number. It's 14 305 -- 15 Q Uh-huh. 16 17 Q Okay. Men eau this you met him? 10 A Like two, three -- it was Friday or Saturday 19 Q Did he come by himself? 20 A Yeah, 21 Q Did he tape the conversation? 22 A No He asked me if he could. I said no. 23 BY DRTRCTIVE RWAREYI 24 0 Okay. If he reaches out to you again, itet give 25 him my number and nava him call me, EFTA00223413 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF A.Akcn..41 EFTA00223414 DRAFT 1 A All I had was my undcrmear. 2 0 Just panOm47 3 A res. 4 0 Nu bre? 5 A We 6. g okay. now b:,ip ard.yoo. now7 Yfoeral. --t • tim 20. Page 5 8 Q You're 20 Ho-a:Seale mohths.ago y0u.Woridliave 9 been whati-147 / 10 A yeah. 11 Q Well, your birthday is in August. 12 A Oh-huh. 13 ALI right. So July, Aucust you would haee been la ISe 20 On the verge. of 20? b A Vh-huh. it Q II 'gnat else happened when you provided him the 17 massage? 1.6 A that's just .t. Ho had a towel over his privets 19 parts and he was just laying on the table and I was just 20 massaging from his knees dove for about 45 niwites and she 21 said all : had to do was give him a massage for en hot II 22 that's what I did. And then bike ter. mi:nuteS before MR were 23 getting ready to leave to asked her to leave because we wore 24 to the room together and all I had to do was massage hie 25 thost and that's it. He had the towel on him and about five crunpreemenresun ION ••••••••0.41; EFTA00223415 1 EFTA00223416 Page 5 1 might want to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then 2 he asked ro about what I' wanted to do when I grew up and 3 stuff like that and T. asked him what he did and he said he 4 was like a scientist basically. 5 Q Aay... .DidA4444a4kY.Lni'nUw046roU wee?`: 6 .44z4.? 7 Q No : Did Re knoW tliSt'yon -.14eSet.1,7?.. - 8 I :ithnst. .-thirilc 9 Q Well it wou1d have been 16 if it was a year ago, 10 sight? 11 A Well it like was almost a year aco. (Inaudible) 12 17. 13 Q Okay. During the naasage did you -- ware you 14 caked or 15 A No. I had my clothes on. 16 0 You had ail your clothes on? 17 A Oh-huh. 18 Q Okay. Did he touch you Ln any way? 19 A He was like kind of like leaning towards it but I 20 was like you could tell I was shy II I think that's why he 21 didn't try. But I heard about other girls that he -- that 22 he got flirtatious with them and he made them take off their 23 clothes and stuff. 24 Q Okay. What that was the first time you went, 23 right? 4 .stiotrnwalit.lalaat.....ilialiJidJaal101041.4•11Ma44•Malia•miouteosonnianotaramMAIWASS* Saltruiriea EFTA00223417 C C. EFTA00223418 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00223419 DRAFT Page 6 1 Q One time. How much did he pay you for that? 2 A $300. 3 Q Okay. All right. He never -- was there ever a 4 time you felt-uncomfortable? 5 A No. Like I'm very comfortable with like he asked 6 me that too and he's like are you uncomfortable and like as 7 weird as it sounds I'm very comfortable with myself II like 8 it didn't really bother me. And I needed the money II, you 9 know, my boyfriend and I were having a hard time ■ I did 10 what I had to do, you know? 11 Q I understand. I understand. That was the only 12 time you ever went? 13 A One time. And I think I dropped her off once and 14 got her an hour later when her car was down or something. 15 Q Okay. And -- 16 A He had like a massage room, like a bed and like he 17 has this 18 Q Massage bed or like a bed bed? 19 A No, like a massage bed. Uh-huh. A massage bed. 20 Q Okay. And where was this? What part of the house 21 was this? 22 A His house is massive. We went in through the 23 kitchen, up the stairs around, ■ it was like I guess 24 towards the front on like the second floor maybe. Maybe 25 over the pool or something like that. ../.0 h. e.F4.0.0.14.... EFTA00223420 Page 1 TN RE: JH'FREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPES INTERVIEW OF I 4.14h.rtu..vb ••••••.,0150,4 EFTA00223421 DRAFT Page 9 Q Okay. All right. When you would go back and do 2 the massage, would it, would it maintain the same or were 3 more things -- 4 A Well, no. I mean I would take my jeans off a lot 5 of times or whatever but that was that. I never slept with 6 him. I never did anything to him. Nothing like that. 7 Q Okay. Is it safe to assume that you provided the 8 massage wearing only panties? 9 A Yes. 10 Q Okay. During the massage that you gave him, did 11 he ever touch you? 12 A Like I mean he would like touch my hip or whatever 13 but I mean that, that's really it. 14 Q Okay. 15 A And if I ever like asked, if I ever said I wasn't 16 comfortable with it, he's like or I don't want you to touch 17 me, he'd be like fine. (Inaudible.) 18 Q And this all occurred when you were 18 though, 19 right? 20 A Uh-huh. I had been 18 for like eight months, nine 21 months already. My birthday's in June II I had been 18 for 22 a while. 23 Q Okay. You're 19 now though right? 24 A Yes. Yes. 25 Q It was about a year ago when you met him. EFTA00223422 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF I $ EFTA00223423 DRAFTPage 14 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 want to tell you any wrong information. Q Okay. That's fine. A But I don't -- Q That's fine. You have not had any contact with A No. Only thing I know of her is that I guess she's working at (inaudible) now. Q Did you ever leave your phone number for him to call you? A No. He never had my number and I never had his number. Q Okay. A He'd call through Q He'd go through And you never gave any money? A Huh-huh. Q Okay. BY DETECTIVE Q Were you afraid when you were in there? A I wasn't afraid. I guess I should have been (inaudible) but I wasn't afraid but I wasn't very comfortable. • Were you afraid to say no to anything? A No. I could have said no but at that time I was in debt. I was in a lot of debt and I needed that money and 1 I EFTA00223424 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT VIDEOTAPED INTERVIEW OF I I S tl 4 ese, e• %stoat. li14-e-Mh4Jttleatvioliki,•4 EFTA00223425 DRAFT Page 15 1 Jeffrey's. 2 Q Okay. Obviously this is an ongoing investigation. 3 I would appreciate it if anybody does call you from the 4 house to try to find out information or ask you questions 5 about what if the police have contacted you, I would 6 appreciate it if you called me. You have my card, right? 7 A I have it somewhere. I'm not sure what I did with 8 it though to be honest. 9 Q Okay. 10 A Thank you. 11 Q Okay. Just a few more questions. 12 When you had intercourse, obviously that was 13 consensual? 14 A Uh-huh. 15 Q Okay. He's never forced himself or forced 16 anything on you? 17 A No. 18 Q Did you bring anyone to the house? 19 A Yes. I brought two people but each of them only 20 went once. 21 Q Okay. Who were those people? 22 A A girl named 23 Q Uh-huh. 24 A And a girl named 25 0 And? EFTA00223426 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF I istra....twa-f A4CilihERKWCAMItiletirAtdien*ill/tAresmiarnarz EFTA00223427 DRAFT Page 5 1. 2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 But I haven't because I haven't known him that long. Q Okay. Your first time you went you just sat in the kitchen and waited for , correct? A Uh-huh. Yeah. Plus he wanted to meet me. Q Okay. As you've gone, tell me has anything escalated from just a massage? A No. Like the first time I went, I waited. The second time I went, I stayed in all my clothes and like gave him a massage. And then I think it was probably the third time I went he asked me if I'd like to get like more naked or whatever and I said no. I just didn't feel comfortable. After that he never asked me anything that made me feel uncomfortable. Q Do you give the massage in your undergarments? A No. Q Completely clothed? A Completely clothed, yeah Q Okay. A I mean he's asked me but I said no because I just don't feel comfortable doing that. Has he touched you? A No. Q Has he A The closest he came to touching me was giving me a hug goodbye. But not inappropriate (inaudible) . r••••• .•• EFTA00223428 DRAFT Page 11 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q Massaged what? His -- A His back and his lower back and his feet. Q All right. Okay. Have you ever seen him naked? A No. In a towel but that's it. Q That's it. Has he ever touched you? A No. Q Has he ever touched himself while you were massaging? A No. He was mostly like on the phone. Like my friend told me, he's perverted but he's never that way toward me. He asked me once. BY DETECTIVE Q What did he ask you? A He asked me like the third time I went there. • To do what? A If I wanted to get naked or do anything more and I said no and I think he could tell I was like uncomfortable with BY DETECTIVE • Okay. Al). right. II aside from and Jeffrey, did you meet anybody else in the house? A I met -- yeah, but I don't know like I didn't meet them but I've seen them. Like I was never formally introduced but I've seen a little like short -- I don't even know. Some lady out there didn't speak that well English I 1 1 4 1 a 14 “11 V /1110•••• EFTA00223429 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00223430 DRAFTPage 6 1 Q Okay. When the second time you went, how did you, 2 how were you contacted? 3 A Asked -- when he asked -- when he gave me $300 and 4 asked me to come back, I had left him my cell phone number. 5 Q Okay. 6 A And called me and told me that Jeff had 7 wanted me to come back and then I went down there. 8 Q Okay. Do you recall when this was? 9 A No. I know it started like this time last year 10 because I think about January is the last time I went when I 11 met my boyfriend and he didn't want me going down there. 12 Q • January of this year was the last time you 13 went? 14 A Yeah. 15 Q Okay. All right. II she calls you and tells you 16 to come -- 17 A (Inaudible.) 18 Q -- tells you to come to the house to provide, to 19 work? 20 A Uh-huh. 2) Q Did anything happen during that massage? 22 A No. The only thing he ever did was he tried to 23 grab my butt and I told him I didn't feel comfortable with 24 that and he always said that if you didn't feel comfortable 25 just to let him know. He didn't want you to feel .11:11.1NC-nla*tat EFTA00223431 DRAFT Page 7 uncomfortable. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 • Was that on the second massage? A No. Probably about towards the end because I was fully clothed until the third massage. • Okay. A That was the massage. That's when just I did it in my bra and underwear. And then after that is when I started feeling uncomfortable with it because he was like why don't you take that off and I was like no. And then just -- he never pressured me. He never forced me to do anything. But he would like try to talk you into it and I didn't feel comfortable with it. • Okay. • you recall both -- the first two times? A Uh-huh. • Did he touch himself during the second massage? A I guess kinda he would sometimes. What do you mean? A Well not -- like towards the end when I was in my bra and underwear like sometimes when I would be rubbing his chest then he would. Q Okay. Did he do it on the second time you went? A No. Q Okay. The third time you went, how were you contacted to go? A called me again. 1.1 EFTA00223432 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF EFTA00223433 DRAFT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 4 there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other people already who have told me what transpired in that room. I know it's going to be difficult for you but... A Well, the first time I went there I did a massage and he was just asking me a lot of questions. He seemed like really nice. And then he kept like staring at me and stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept looking at me and he was like oh, you're being shy and I'm like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he said well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. And he was like why are you like being shy and I was like oh, I don't know. And then he would like change the subject and he started talking about other things. And then when we were done he said that if like I wanted to come back and do more then he would like pay me more and then I would have to talk to and I could come back. Q Okay. What kind of questions did he ask you as you were massaging him? A He was asking about it was a year ago. I don't remember everything but... Q Right. A He was just asking me if I had any friends that .Ataar 0.4...1•1441, egan......•1414,44.4,141,4•64e EFTA00223434 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERVIEW OF 1).3411.1.14 EFTA00223435 DRAFT1 2 3 4 5 6 Page 7 Q Okay. At what point did he reach out to try to touch you? A While he just before he started to rub his nipples he goes I'm going to touch you the way that I like to be touched and I was like I don't feel comfortable that way. I'm fine. I'll continue to give you a massage but I don't 7 want -- I'm very uncomfortable. Because before she 8 told me if I felt uncomfortable just tell him and he'd back 9 off. II I told him that I was uncomfortable like after he 10 started to touch me and he kept ejaculating after that. 11 Q Okay. He touched your buttocks? 12 A Yes. 13 Q Did he touch your vagina area? 14 A I would not let him. No. 15 Q Okay. And you mentioned your breast area. 16 A Right. 17 Q Did he try to touch your buttocks under the shorts 18 or -- 19 A At first it was just outside my pants and then he 20 tried to -- I had a belt on with my jeans II he tried to go 21 like inside from behind but he could not and I was like I'm 22 not comfortable. 23 Q Okay. He put his hands under your shirt? 24 A Correct. 25 Q Okay. And you had a bra on, correct? I 00111..M•IX•14414•4••.,C, .01etilo."•41.nrunat•tdvt11.1•••••6LIFIN nat.h.r4k EFTA00223436 (. 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You're going to have to take -- you're going 21 in order to make money you're going to have to go up there, 22 you're going to take your clothes off. But the more you do 23 is the more you make. She walked out of there with $300 II 24 she obviously and evidently let him do a little more. Plus 25 on her way home she kind of told me what she did. EFTA00223439 IMAF T Page 13 A calls us when she gets in town. calls 2 us to let us know when he's available. 3 Q Oh, okay. 4 A I've called him maybe once or twice to see if he 5 was in town when I used to work for him but primarily 6 would call us to let us know when he's in and when he wants 7 people to work for him. Q II she would call you and say okay, he's coming in 9 Friday? A Friday at 7 he wants someone to work for him. 11 12 13 14 Saturday around 12. • Okay. Let's talk about for a minute. Okay? A Okay. Q at the time was dating your cousin, right? 15 A Uh-huh. 16 Q Okay. She told you she needed to make money. She 17 knew did she know you worked_for Jeffrey? 18 A 1 told her. 19 Q You 'had told 20 A Uh-huh. 21 'Q And did yoU tell her 22 A (Nodslieadyee.) 23 .Q Okay. So.she.:knew that? 24 A She knew everything: beforesile 25 So s40: iglOw.t11.4e)Nia8 . going:to tOyejto_be'Sbme her Ypu .worked f6t'Jeffrey? what even-agreed to it. • ultudinusCsilt-Inehlalvilla EFTA00223440 DRAFTPage 14 1 kind of - ;,..• , _. ”i:::: NIr: I; "k0,v . i4e XI 2 A Contact. :1ptetty'lliuth;yeah:t , ''-veold her. I told 3 Ileflactly what his expectatioris were. I told her what goes. 4 olt.j.with the' girls that go up thefe I told her Iikeit"s 5 your call. I was like if you want to do this, fine,: If 6 ' • 11pt,-fine. But when you go in that rooth.I don't want :to 7 hear .you say oh:,- I didn't know he was going to.,do all that 8 beCause I'm tell,ing you now What hes expecting. 9 And basically it's. touching? 10 A Fondling. 11 Q Fondling? 12 A Looking, whatever. And I told her just remember 13 the more you do, the more you make. But that's up to you. 14 She asked me and I flat out told her I wouldn't, I wouldn't 15 do more. 16 Q Okay. Yeah. You made that clear that you 17 wouldn't do. more. 18 A No. Screw that. 19 Q But as far as is concerned -- 20 A Yeah. 21 Q -- what did she tell you that happened in that 22 room? 23 A Exact words? If I can recall when she came 24 downstairs, when she came downstairs me and her and I 25 believe it was Serina I was with, we all walked out. We got 1 kidilan.hiabliblrit ..40•1•110ta lataot ?at We 111459.0.bUta,S.J:i EFTA00223441 DRAFTPage 18 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 16 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A What do you mean? Q Like if they, they wanted to work, how did you approach them? Say listen, I got this guy in Palm Beach? A For the most part because like I said, two were my friends. The others were like my acquaintances. It was a little more easier talking to them about it because I knew them. Q Just take a deep breath. Take a deep breath because I can see you working up again. You're working up the tears. I can see it. I don't want to get you like that. A I pretty much would just ask them. Q Straight up? A If you're looking for extra money let me know. This guy down in Palm Beach, he's -really, really, really wealthy. You have to give him amessage. :That1S all I . . . would tell them. Then if they,wereLi4terested or told me, I want to do it, I.wOuld 49:inHdeteil with them before they would aCtually'agres.. -;Ifthey told. Ins;, bly, 'that sounds good, I'm interested, then I would-tell'them okay, I want to let you know this is what you have to do: This is what is going to go on: Q Did you tell them that you were going money for bringing them over? A Most part I believe they knew. to make knew. EFTA00223442 DRAFTPage 35 1 you're breaking me off more. And they did. And 2 after that Jeffrey said he didn't want her working 3 after she started agruing. That's the only 4 problem that I can think of. 5 DETECTIVE So when. to be . • . • . 6 --.8Pedi.4di;t4herryoc0k:-a(*0408ireire-li ltnew 7 wbuld'hae*6:4et: :na*#. 4p. 4764d:11av to 8 massagejlim.l . 9 THE WITNEsSI They/An604 ;hatkthey. .were 10 gettih4 00WIliqjiri. That was 11 Jeffrey's rule. Tell theM what they're getting, 12 into becaUse -I don't n 13 DETECTIVE. Argiment. 14 THE WITNESS: Yeah. 15 DETECTIVE : And Jen is now, Jen is 17. 16 When do you think you took her there? In order of 17 events, when do you think you took Jen there? 18 THE WITNESS: She was 16 when I took her 19 there. It was her -- I took her probably like 8 20 months ago. It's been a while. It's been a 21 while. I don't know the exact dates because, like 22 I said, I haven't contacted him in a while. But 23 it was a while ago. 29 DETECTIVE : Now does she live near 25 you, 1484 -- tatibbleteetItilladetilla,...Ww•fin111•111 V.I.VAnfdarste—l• ro.naht-44.4 61•11.40.4. IbiAtegla4le. Istliita•guWalnYtiAtOartltOld EFTA00223443 Page 1 IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN DRAFT TAPED INTERV:EW CE EFTA00223444 DRAFTPage 5 1 A Me and both sat in the kitchen that day. 2 Q Okay. II is the one that worked? 3 A Yes. 5 Q Okay. Each girl that you went with, I those are the ones that did the work? 6 A Yeah. 7 Q And sat in the kitchen? 8 A That one day. When I was -- 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 1.8 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 OkaYIAnd 140$7.01444Al-:Pt4 11YSOkOtat -j/Ola's:44LOP car with either may. have had with them asilde as what to expect? •• A I think I'remeMberHaley telling Saige that if he tells you hey, you. know what I ,mean, if you:want to do anything else you're still'free-to say no and he'll, you know what I mean? HeWould -- something to the extent where . . . - - like hey, if he's like will you do this feel free to say no • -. _ - • • and he'll beiokay.Hvith:itpret6y:Mudh Q its more than a:maspage? A Right. Q Okay. What do you know of that goes on up in the massaging or working -- A Nobody ever wanted to tell me anything. Just that they were giving massages and that was it. I didn't even want to really know too much. /, - - . e • • Okay. 'And what you-mean by he wants to do .this, taitanillatoonildleliaaliarale.I.WOodes....61.waVAS<XIISVS“Ela