FD-302 (Rev. 5.8-10) -1 of 29- OFFICIAL RECORD

FD-302 (Rev. 5.8-10) -1 of 29- OFFICIAL RECORD FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Date of entry 02/24/2021 date of birth was interviewed in person in ver the course of 3 days spanning from 10/14/2020 to . resent for this interview was Assistant United States Attorney Detective and Special Agent Also present for this interview was ttorney and A ter •eing advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, provided the following information: (10/14/2020) recalls that she first met GHISLAINE MAXWELL in September of 1997. She recalls this date because it was a year after she had left the universit but it was rior to her birthda . friend knew MAXWELL. This goes to MAXWELL's house in Belgravia and meets MAXWELL for the first time. MAXWELL was nice and asked many questions. She asked about herself and what she wanted to do with her future. At the time MAXWELL was having a party and everyone there seemed to be nice and happy. knew some of the people there so she felt comfortable. imtagatamon 10/14/2020 a In Person) Aka 500-NY-3027571 Date drafted 12/23/2020 by This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI. It is the properly of the FBI and is loaned to your agency; it and its contents are not to be distributed outside your agency. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210-007 Page 1 of 29 EFTA_00074128 EFTA01248577 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 CominustionofFD402of (U) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 2 of 29 After about a week MAXWELL's boyfriend (JEFFREY EPSTEIN) shows up in and meets him. Together they made her feel comfortable and welcome. MAXWELL was smart and witty and EPSTEIN was friendly and kind. On this first instance they met in the office and everything went fine. recalls that EPSTEIN put his foot in her lap. It had seemed odd but MAXWELL laughed. MAXWELL may have said something about rubbing his foot. It was strange but did it. EPSTEIN asked her lots of questions. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN seemed close. felt like she trusted them. knew that EPSTEIN was someone important but at the time wasn't totally sure why. She knew he had lots of homes and employees. Afterwards, ran errands. The pilots also seemed nice. felt safe and excited. does not recall a strict timeline on when she moved to New York Prior to moving to New York she recalls seeing EPSTEIN a few more times in On the third occasion MAXWELL leaves the office and tells that she doesn't have to come until the next day because EPSTEIN was leaving. EPSTEIN tells that he has to take a rest and he tells her to come to the room. While in there he asks her to rub his foot. Then there was a very unexpected incident that occurred. At this point in the interview, it was very upsetting to and she wished to not talk further on this incident. Afterwards go to America happened with happened. had to goes home. wanted to but was afraid that MAXWELL would be mad at her over what had EPSTEIN. may have called a friend to discuss what goes in the office to tell MAXWELL what EPSTEIN had done. build up the courage to do this. After she tells MAXWELL what CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 2 of 29 EFTA 00074129 EFTA01248578 FD-3029(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 CominuationofFD-302of an Interview of Mn 10/14/2020 _page 3 of 29 happened, feels dumb as though she "made a mountain out of a mole hill". MAXWELL made it feel as though it wasn't a big deal. She made feel like a fool, like she shouldn't have said anything and like it's not important. MAXWELL flipped it and made her feel like she was lucky and that somehow was special. Prior to moving to New York, learned to drive in one week. It was very stressful failed the first time taking the test and MAXWELL tells her it's ok and to try again. takes it again and she passes. That afternoon, prior to taking the test, a flight had already been booked. Prior to leaving , takes a trip on with MAXWELL to meet mother and father. Both of parents loved MAXWELL as she was charming, funny and likeable. They all laugh at this comment. They all felt safe and MAXWELL told parents that she was going to look after their daughter. was really trusting back then and was taught to respect her elders. When eventually moves to the United States she first travels to Palm Beach where she stays for about three days before she moves to New York. When in New York, she is shown what will be her apartment/ studio. This apartment was provided to and would be docked out of her pay. MAXWELL shows a map of Manhattan and points out where everyone lives and where the office is located. MAXWELL felt motherly and cared for her. The office is where they run their properties. in MAXWELL's office. recalls that her apartment was felt she The office was on 51 Street. MAXWELL's flat was on 84 Street. EPSTEIN's house was on 71 Street. helped MAXWELL to clear through her closet and clear and organize her house. She also assisted in helping with her house design, decorating and running errands. She would document antiques that were sold or bought. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 3 of 29 EFTA 00074130 EFTA01248579 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 CominustionofFD-302of (U) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 _page 4 of 29 started making friends and going out Everything was on a need-to-know basis. There was always a never ending list of things to do and it was very overwhelming. Over time, things changed a lot. Things got bigger...the planes, the houses. It was constant work. At first, had felt like part of a family. She felt accepted and felt like they cared. They traveled often and felt lucky. The travel started right away. Sometimes, would travel with them but not actually stay with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. Sometimes when they went to Florida would go and stay with her boyfriend. If she went to the island or to the ranch then she definitely would stay with them. When went to England or Palm Beach she would sometimes visit with family or friends while there. learned to stop asking questions because they would get annoyed. MAXWELL would give her that sense. states that her friend said that he trusted these people as well so they both felt difficulties processing what all has been unfolding. They (EPSTEIN and MAXWELL) are "people you admire so it's difficult to comprehend that they would do these things". knet. from back then. walked into a flat to check on it. She would make sure that everything was neat and working and that it was stocked with groceries. went to change the kettle and III was there in his boxers. was shocked. They ended up chatting and hanging out. In or around went to a concert with They talked about how difficult it was for thinks that might be part of this case. It makes angry with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN because family are a sweet family. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 4 of 29 EFTA 00074131 EFTA01248580 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of met them in when .on 10/14/2020 _page S of 29 on one occasion and in last year not happy and she would take it out on her. lot. More people started coming around all t friendly between MAXWELL and York it was more intense. On the Island then noticed that MAXWELL was Their relationship changed a he time. It became less did not feel valued. In New did not want to be there. In 2001, they were being mean and getting pushed out. She felt trapped and didn't know where to go. It was getting toxic and there were lots of arguments. One example of this that recalls is that one day she was feeling sad and depressed when MAXWELL looked at her and says "I don't want to look at you just go home". didn't and EPSTEIN would Sometimes EPSTEIN felt like she was see them together that much, maybe in Palm Beach. MAXWELL fight and argue. Then MAXWELL would be in a bad mood. would yell at . This happened more often met-around that time and she often traveled with him and not with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN. Lots of staff left around this time. It was a toxic environment and didn't feel like a family anymore. A couple at the ranch left. best friend in New York left. was told she could not call her anymore and she was scared to contact her. It seemed ridiculous that she could not contact her friend but she had signed a non-disclosure. sister, who worked at the ranch, also left. From the start, believed that EPSTEIN and MAXWELL were boyfriend and girlfriend. was told from the start that wealthy men that aren't married don't have to settle down with one person. EPSTEIN had girlfriends and accepted that. was a girlfriend. did not know who was just a friend and who thought that MAXWELL just really wanted to marry him. She seemed CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 5 of 29 EFTA 00074132 EFTA01248581 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 _page 6 of 29 like a lost soul and it seemed like she wanted to just settle down and have kids. By the time left it seemed as though they were drifting apart. MAXWELL did not seem as important. There seemed to be another girlfriend. MAXWELL moved into 65th street. MAXWELL was very upset and crying about another girlfriend that came back. was a shoulder for her to cry on and she felt sorry for her. Not too long before left they asked her if she would carry a baby for them. later read that in the news that they did this to someone else. Near the end, EPSTEIN said he wanted to get a house for . He would drive her around and give her attention. couldn't get a house because she didn't make enough money. In the office, if EPSTEIN came in had to get his tea and muffins ready for when he sat down. was nervous that she wouldn't have it ready in time and possibly get in trouble. On one occasion she got called into his room in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL were both there and they were excited. There was a bump in the bed. One of them told her to sit down and see what the bump is. pulled back the sheet and there was a violin case. They had previously known that played violin. Inside the case was a violin. They tell her to go play it. started playing it but a string broke. ran out of the room, states it felt strange. She was not sure what was happening and not sure why it was given to her in bed. Around 2011, sells the violin. The first incident in with EPSTEIN was the first time "it happened" but it happened more sporadically. felt she needed to tell MAXWELL because it was sexual. The other incidents were also sometimes sexual. There were other times that there were others involved in the sexual encounters other than EPSTEIN. MAXWELL was involved about 1-2 times. There were about 4-5 other people involved over the years. There were never males involved. The places it happened in was New York, Palm Beach, New Mexico, The Virgin Islands and on the plane. In New York it only happened after and she would be caught off guard when it happened. On the plane it happened once on their way to Harvard. Sometimes CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 6 of 29 EFTA 00074133 EFTA01248582 FD-3029(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 7 of 29 on the plane • EPSTEIN's feet. would serve meals but she generally just rubbed It would get put in head that she was great at foot massages. She gave foot massages to MAXWELL sometimes. In the beginning that's how it all started, with foot massages. massaged EPSTEIN's hands when they were at the movies a lot. had her photo taken on the beach on the island by the rocks by MAXWELL. The photo session was meant to just be this fun thing with no real purpose. MAXWELL told her this. Other people on the island were there for this. just did what she was told and it felt a bit like peer pressure. The photos that were taken on the rocks was not wearing clothes. No one was wearing clothes. felt like she had to. She thinks she has seen these photos since. Sometimes would get a towel and lotion and do a massage properly. and EPSTEIN would talk during these times. would never know if these massages would lead into something else or not. There was not necessarily a pattern because it was different in each place they traveled. Sometimes EPSTEIN would say "see you upstairs". Sometimes would massage his feet and he would fall asleep. Sometimes it would lead to something else. never had intercourse with EPSTEIN. It was a rule that MAXWELL told . MAXWELL said that she was the only one that sleeps in his bed. MAXWELL said, "I'm the girlfriend and I'm the one that gets to sleep with him." At the time, just thought this was what was expected of her. He reduced her to accept this as her job. thought she wasn't worth more. [Agent note: At this point in the interview a break was taken and Detective Byrne stepped out of the room and was no longer present during the following portion of the interview.] described herself as a girl who is shy and closes the curtain in the changing room. At the time of the photograph incident, was not comfortable with CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 7 of 29 EFTA 00074134 EFTA01248583 FD-3029(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 ,page 8 of 29 it, but felt like she would get in trouble if she said no. felt empty and it did not feel right. would not have chosen to do something like that. MAXWELL was quite flippant saying something like, "Oh, no one's going to see your face; you'll blend into the rocks." could not say no; she was on an island with no where to go and was telling her to do something. Another time photographs were taken it was just and EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN took out a camera and said "take your top off". did not want to do that. EPSTEIN pushed her (not physically) to do something did not want to do. EPSTEIN took a photograph of without her top on. wondered why he was making her feel that way. felt disappointment that she did not matter. felt that EPSTEIN and MAXWELL were kind generous people but she was scared of them as well. MAXWELL referred to as her "little sister". MAXWELL also referred to in derogatory terms but would say that it was all in jest. MAXWELL and EPSTEIN were cruel. remembered the incident with the violin and remembered it being really dark. could not remember everything in the specific sequence it happened. thought "it happened" one to two times maximum. MAXWELL left her alone after that. thought it was after it happened that MAXWELL stroked arm saying, "You have such soft skin." thought MAXWELL thought she went over the line because of how reacted. could not remember if MAXWELL was nude. MAXWELL was not ashamed of her body. MAXWELL would strip one thing off and change into something else. would turn her back. That was when their relationship started to go sour because would not go along with it. A separate incident from the violin incident was a time where MAXWELL was sitting on the left side opposite while EPSTEIN was to the right of EPSTEIN was on the right hand side where his gun was. MAXWELL was topless. chest. thought MAXWELL grabbed her arm and put was in a situation she did not want to be in did it on MAXWELL's not ask for it nor did she want it. did not find MAXWELL attractive and felt sick. It felt like it was an out of body CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 8 of 29 EFTA 00074135 EFTA01248584 FD-302a (Rev. 5$10) 50D-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-30.1 of f 0 ) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 9 of 29 experience for -; she was extremely uncomfortable and unhappy about the situation. It was a situation that should not have happened. It involved the removal of clothes. They never spoke of it again people don't talk about issues that are difficult. felt an excuse to leave really fast. never had intercourse with EPSTEIN and never had "anything major" with a woman. had similar experiences with friends of hers she met through EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. Nothing sort of major happened. The stuff read about that is orno ra hic did not ha••en to her. has • • • The incidents with her. nightmare. peers were where they were all older than felt the whole world knows these things and felt stuck in a talked about a really upsetting time when she was invited on a trip to the island. At the time, was living in was a science convention being held on the island. excited about it; arrived there were four or five other women There was initially . When there that she had not met before. was shown to a room with three other people and felt it was strange. At one point someone came to take to EPSTEIN and she followed. One person and another a hand. attorney pleasuring himself or concurred with this statement.) was dumbfounded that she was put in this situation - she did not see it coming. was really angry. did not remember the rest of the trip. had thought she was being asked there as a special guest but she felt she was just being used. grabbed EPSTEIN's foot, while another grabbed an arm, was rubbing EPSTEIN's foot. (Agent note: interjected saying that EPSTEIN was the others were pleasuring him during this incident. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 9 of 29 EFTA 00074136 EFTA01248585 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 CominustionofFD-302of (U) Interview of Mn 10/14/2020 .page 10 of 29 When went to her school fees were paid for the first year. MAXWELL still came into town occasionally. MAXWELL wanted to meet friends; she always wanted to meet everyone in her life. MAXWELL would want a massage therapist or a yoga instructor when she came into town. There was one dinner where showed up to and realized MAXWELL was up to something. This was in and BILL CLINTON arrived. felt it was a lovely dinner and it was the first and only time she met CLINTON. When was in MAXWELL was very pushy and was fearful of her. felt that MAXWELL had changed. recalled sitting opposite of one of them and felt that something was different, like their soul wasn't there anymore. felt it was difficult to explain. It was also conflicting for at the same time as she also still felt a fondness for MAXWELL. met PRINCE ANDREW a few times; there were no strange experiences with him. felt she did not know what to believe anymore. saw PRINCE ANDREW in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN told to take PRINCE ANDREW to a bar in Miami. went there with another friend and everything was fine. What different. has read about him and what her experience with him was Around the end of 2007/2008 friend asked, "Oh have you heard about Jeffrey". When responded no, her friend told her EPSTEIN was in trouble. just thought someone was after his money. thought he was in jail for about a year and a half. thought EPSTEIN had done something he wasn't supposed to do; someone had told her that someone had accused EPSTEIN of something. Next thing heard was that some women were talking about investigation taking place. remembered thinking "oh my God there are these really young girls". was upset because she knew EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. would have seen MAXWELL before EPSTEIN went to jail but she did not recall speaking to MAXWELL about it. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 10 of 29 EFTA 00074137 EFTA01248586 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of Mn 10/14/2020 _page 11 of 29 In or around August 2019, had read about the recent investigation. read about "these girls" and was upset about it as she was reading it along with the rest of the world. When saw the case was regarding child sex trafficking she thought it was fake news because her experience was different. In or around February 2008 was the last time saw EPSTEIN and it was horrendous. [Agent note: Interview concluded for 10/14/20.] (10/15/2020) Present at the start of the interview day 2 was Assistant United States Attorney III, Detective and Special Agent Also present was attorney and states that she was not sure about EPSTEIN's and MAXWELL's financial relationship. MAXWELL was getting a salary of some kind. She may have done things separately, maybe the stock market but was not totally sure. JOHN and MARY were the housekeepers in Palm Beach. They were a kind and sweet couple. Each house had a couple that looked after it. MARY would clean, but JOHN would also. JOHN also served drinks and would sometimes drive. He cooked a bit and made breakfast, and did maintenance. EPSTEIN did not have a personal assistant until later when replaced her. a lot. EPSTEIN had people in the office and in each home that helped really nice. showed cross over that much. September of 2001. She was her around the different homes but they didn't would have arrived around August or CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 11 of 29 EFTA 00074138 EFTA01248587 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD402of (O) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 _page 12 of 29 The office would schedule appointments. Each home had staff which would take over when EPSTEIN arrived. was told to treat him like a king. didn't know what everyone was doing at all times. EPSTEIN and MAXWELL both received regular massages. heard that EPSTEIN would have multiple a day. was aware that he would get the massages but she also read that he did. He would get massages at all of his properties. They would arrive at some point during the trip. was probably asked to call someone at some point. was aware that there would sometimes be a couple massages a day. The massages were important to him; EPSTEIN would say they were therapeutic and they helped him think. In Palm Beach, thought maybe JOHN or MARY would call someone to come in for massages. When was in Palm Beach she would fly in with them and then often go to see her boyfriend. "The Book", which was an address book, is how they scheduled massages. The book is the one that's all over the Internet now. The Book was there the whole time that worked there. There was a black book for EPSTEIN and a blue book for MAXWELL. They may have used each book. sometimes put information into the book. It was an annoying thing and had to be updated regularly. Sometimes she was told to update it. Other people had access to it and updated the book. was asked about people in the book coming to give massages. She states that she just was told to put the names and addresses in the book. She said she was asked to call someone from the book. She had called a friend to chat. had only called to schedule massages a few times. She would be told to call someone to come for a massage. At the Palm Beach house when someone would show up to give a massage they would let themselves in. They would go upstairs to the massage room and maybe be there for about an hour. Afterwards towels would be brought down and put into the washing machine by the massage therapist. JOHN paid them by writing a check or giving cash. Then they would go home. Sometimes the cash came from petty cash. What observed was girls her age or older giving massages. One girl flew over from California. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 12 01'29 EFTA 00074139 EFTA01248588 FD-302a(Rev.5-R-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 13 of 29 was asked if it was always just one person coming for the massage to which she stated yes. stated that she later found out that a friend's sister had come over. In reference to the book would have said "this is the book with all of EPSTEIN's contacts and he sometimes gets massages". was more focused on the home design. stated that she did recognize the book that she saw online. She recognized it because she has seen it it's definitely real. The book has grown since she's seen it and the massage list has grown a lot. MAXWELL had asked if she wanted to be training in massage therapy to which she stated no. thinks that JOHN and MARY were still working there when she left. recalled orking there was working as a receptionist. sometimes stepped in for her in the New York office. She would answer phones and also worked for EPSTEIN's company. She was a financial advisor for "Epstein and Company". EPSTEIN was interested in very wealthy and important people's money that only earned over a certain amount. MAXWELL said something about this but EPSTEIN told the specific amount of money he dealt with. Everyone traveled at some point. There were times MAXWELL and EPSTEIN went on trips without wasn't there all the time. may have met some of the clients but when she met people she did not know if they were clients or not. LES WEXNER was one of EPSTEIN's clients. thought that EPSTEIN got the 71 Street house from WEXNER. EPSTEIN was very proud to have WEXNER as a client. EPSTEIN told he invested his money. does not remember meeting anyone else that worked for EPSTEIN financially. was asked who else she recalled working in the office. She stated that lawyers, assistants and people that dealt with his personal finances worked in the office. Gardeners and builders all needed to be paid at all of his properties. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210-007 Page 13 of 29 EFTA_00074140 EFTA01248589 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of (V) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 %page 14 of 29 was asked about III and his family. She stated the family is abou knew the whole family. knew III from that she thought was does not think he was up in hey became was a friend when she first met him. When they met back was not sure when she first met She recalled being wit at the home in served them tea. They were discussing a scholarship. JOHN and MARY told that they give lots of scholarships to young people. met a few times. They wereillillillscholarships. thought either had received scholarships. thought they lived in When first met them they seemed like a really nice family. JOHN and MARY were probably there for this. The family was probably there to see EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. The next time saw was in at some point. EPSTEIN told to take out. thought was cool and she took her out with her friends. In would go to dinners with the family. She went to birthday party. realizes now that this may CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 14 of 29 EFTA_00074141 EFTA01248590 FD-302a (Rev. 5•&10) SOD-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-301of U) Interview of ,on 10/14/2020 ,page 15 Of 29 have been happening prior to when she arrived. was asked if she remembered to which she stated yes. thought she met her in the kitchen in Palm Beach around the end of 2000. was introduced to as being the new traveling massage therapist. was friend who used to do that job. MAXWELL introduced to She remembered meeting her in the kitchen but she also read about this in many places. was either told by MAXWELL or that used to work at Mar-A-Lago. seemed quite young and nice. drove home at one point but doesn't remember where she lived. seemed pretty confident. was on the plane a few times going to the same place as and she had seen her at the house a few times. was then asked what places she traveled with stated they went to the island together a few times. Flight logs show only a few people traveling there but people traveled there on other planes. Other places they traveled together were would give massages at these places while traveling. was envious of because she was not sure what ■ would do with her free time. and MAXWELL seemed to be friendly with each other but did not recall much. did not remember much of ' relationship with EPSTEIN but thinks it was probably friendly as well. may have seen was not sure who it was. friends. at the house with someone else but not she never met any of ' family or On one occasion, seemed strange but it was unclear if she was on some drugs or alcohol. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210-007 Page 15 of 29 EFTA_00074142 EFTA01248591 FD-302a(Rev.5-840) 50D-NY-3027571 CominuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of was not really friends with .On 10/14/2020 _page 16 of 29 but was friendly with her. friendly to everyone. that was asked about other frequent visitors. was there and was a good friend of hers. was stated that was asked about other traveling massage therapists. was one. She was not sure if she recalled that her or from later. She stated from meeting came to Balmoral and Palm Beach a few times. She came from to Palm Beach. was told to She took too long while there and EPSTEIN got being late. id not step in and take been a girlfrien . stated that she did recall meeting therapist that came from She was in a few times and was around pretty much the MAXWELL had a friendly relationship with her. was not really friends with her. take her to a yoga studio. mad the and yelled at for blame. may have was a massage nice and friendly. She flew whole time. EPSTEIN and was a bit older so [Agent note: At this point in the interview a break was Byrne stepped out of the room and was no longer present portion of the interview.] taken and Detective during the following CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page1601'29 EFTA 00074143 EFTA01248592 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) SOD-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 17 of 29 recalled being on a trip with to MAXWELL and went carpet shopping and a taxi drove them around. would have been with EPSTEIN while MAXWELL and were out. did not share a room with while they were in When was asked if she had any reason to belive had sexual contact with EPSTEIN and/or MAXWELL and she replied no. When was asked if she witnessed any sexual contact with EPSTEIN and MAXWELL, she replied no. has given only the one written statement. has not given any interviews. thought that if she defended herself she would be attacked. No lawyers had tried to contact her except for MAXWELL's attorneys about the book. The second time the book was released it talked about orgies on the island and things that supposedly happened with MAXWELL. said this was not true. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210-007 Page 17 of 29 EFTA_00074144 EFTA01248593 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 coiltinuatimi of FD-302 of (U) Interview of with her. .On 10/14/2020 _page 18 of 29 was asked if the following people had traveled on EPSTEIN's plane JOHN/MARY did not travel. • may have traveled. may have traveled to visit but was not sure. did travel with but did not remember specifically where. • did travel with on the plane. • did not travel with her. • did not travel with her. When was asked if she remembered being on the plane with , she replied no. When was asked if she remembered traveling on the plane at all, she replied no. was not using "massage therapist" as a code word. was asked if she was aware of the following people giving massages. JOHN/MARY • not give massages to her knowledge. • did not think she gave massages. • thought probably did give massages. has read that gave massages. remembered being in a situation once after had already left. was on the island for a science conference and was there. When was asked if she was aware if gave a massage, she replied no. • gave massages. massage therapist. go off to give massages. • did not give massages to her knowledge. • did not give massages to her knowledge. had been introduced to as a rubbed feet at the movies. saw massaged MAXWELL's feet as well. never gave "official massages". If EPSTEIN wanted his calves massaged that is what would massage. If was sitting in the car she would have to massage hands, foot, and back. There was a massage room in each location including Palm Beach, Zorro Ranch, and there would have been one on the island. The massage room in Palm Beach was in the bathroom. would go in there and change when something happened. would also go in MAXWELL's bathroom. When EPSTEIN told to meet him in the room in a few minutes, would go in the massage room. would go in and change. When asked what she meant by changing, said that she would change to remove clothes both before and after. When asked why clothes were removed, she replied that was sometimes what would happen with EPSTEIN. [Agent note: At this point in the interview CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 18 of 29 EFTA 00074145 did EFTA01248594 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 CominustionofFD-302of (O) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 ,page 19 of 29 stepped out of the room and was no longer present during the following portion of the interview.] would do what EPSTEIN told her to do. would have to be there when EPSTEIN wanted her to do things. EPSTEIN would want to see while he did things. EPSTEIN would pleasure himself and make her do things to him. EPSTEIN would have touch his "top half". EPSTEIN would make suck and squeeze his nipples. EPSTEIN taught how to pleasure him. Sometimes EPSTEIN would get a back massager and use it. It was mainly about EPSTEIN and making him happy. never said no because she did not know how to say no; what EPSTEIN said went. EPSTEIN told he would teach her to be really good at doing that so she would make a really good wife someday. EPSTEIN made her pleasure him with her hand and her mouth. This would typically happen in his bed. EPSTEIN had a device there under the table or bed. It was whatever EPSTEIN wanted. EPSTEIN put the device "down there" over "knickers" and over her vaginal area. needed to look like she was enjoying herself. EPSTEIN used the device on the top of her vagina and used his hand and fingers inside her vagina. Sometimes would just be in her knickers while other times she would just have her top on. Sometimes she would want to keep her top on. EPSTEIN would tell to take her top and/or knickers off. When was asked if anyone else was in the room when this occurred, she replied that one of her peers that traveled with her was in the room. There was less touching and it was more visual. There were approximately four to five times where there was another person present in the room. never did "anything serious" with a female in these situations. When was asked if the people who were in the room were any of those that had already been mentioned, she replied yes. was in the room. did not remember everything that happened while she was in the room. remembered hair because it was similar to her own. assumed they were not wearing clothes. recalled being on the bed and MAXWELL was to her left. then recalled that she was on the foot of the bed and thought she was mixing it up. MAXWELL was not wearing a top. EPSTEIN was on left hand side. did not recall MAXWELL being in the room when some form CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 19 of 29 EFTA 00074146 EFTA01248595 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D—NY-3027571 CominustionofFD402of (U) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 ,page 20 of 29 of penetration happened. The only times MAXWELL was in the room with her was this time and the time with the violin. described how things would typically happen while in the room with another person. Someone would be massaging a hand or foot while was there as well. EPSTEIN would pleasure himself or someone - like visual. had previously described. No one was being There was a time where went back to New York and happened that was less visual. In or around 2008, when things that had been kept in the attic since 2001. EPSTEIN because he got her a flight there and put her up in a flat so she could stay. had called to come over to the 71st Street address. When arrived, she went up to a floor that she had never been on before. had guided her there. In the EPSTEIN, and with Something was an escalation from things had would pleasure him hurt; it was of them. There was was going "not anything major" but it was different than what It made It no warning and was not expecting it. to be talking to EPSTEIN to thank him. something went to get wanted to thank room was happened with the four experience before. feel really disgusting. felt like described EPSTEIN as "someone I had looked up to a she did not know why. The experience was a bit of a blu really dark and surreal. recalled a single bed o similar. There was also a bedside table and a window. seeing skin with everyone having their tops off. There touching. thought she described it as had experienced. she was nothing. nd respected" but r to r something recalled was a lot of It was MAXWELL called her and told her to come over the following afternoon; EPSTEIN would have been leaving the morning after that. EPSTEIN called up saying he was going to have a had met EPSTEIN. MAXWELL nap. This would have been the third time went out and was going to rub EPSTEIN's foot before he went to sleep. was either rubbing his feet or sitting next to him. Suddenly, EPSTEIN was just pleasuring himself. it was before or after he was pleasuring himself that he patted the bed. just remembered following instructions. It was an out of body CONFIDENTIAL could not remember if 3501.210.007 Page 20 of 29 EFTA 00074147 EFTA01248596 FD-302a (Rev. 5-8-10) S0D—NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-30.1 of f O ) Interview of experience. was shocked because this was her boss' boyfriend. EPSTEIN as this "incredibly incredibly powerful woman". it was dark. went home .On 10/14/2020 ,page 21 of 29 did not remember it piece by piece. recalled she described powerful man" and she was working for "an remembered running out of the room and and cried all night. did not know what to do or how to process it. told MAXWELL what happened. did not know how she worded it to her. MAXWELL would have been chatty. was terrified; MAXWELL would have seen something was wrong. MAXWELL did not seem sad. thought she was going to be in trouble thought MAXWELL would be angry with her but MAXWELL was flippant about it. MAXWELL said something like, "if someone is wealthy and to be monogamous". the way the world relationship, but intelligent, they have girlfriends and they don't have MAXWELL told to "stop being silly - that's just is". MAXWELL implied that she and EPSTEIN had an open that MAXWELL was the one who slept with him. MAXWELL implied that this was the way men are in that world. thought MAXWELL knew what was happening. did not remember MAXWELL being around a lot of the time it happened with him. MAXWELL and never spoke about it but assumed MAXWELL knew. knew what EPSTEIN did not like. MAXWELL got angry with once. was tasked by MAXWELL to find a massage therapist; this was at the ranch. had found a good massage therapist because she had received a massage. MAXWELL said that no one is being massaged by a fat old lady. It was such a derogatory statement but MAXWELL was like that. The massage therapists were older and younger females. There were a few males but not many. They were nice people. [Agent note: Interview concluded for 10/15/20.] (10/16/2020) Present at the start of the interview day 3 was Assistant Attorney Also present was III, Detective and Special Agen attorney an CONFIDENTIAL United States 3501.210.007 Page 21 of 29 EFTA 00074148 EFTA01248597 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinustionofFD-302of (O) Interview of .On 10/14/2020 _page 22 of 29 was then asked about flights. She was asked if she recalled a flight with EPSTEIN, MAXWELL, on it. states that she remembers all of these people but not that specific flight. states she met She met them either passing though Palm Beach or on the island. The specific flight with flight must have been only knew of doesn't recall a though. around 2003. was asked about GLEN. She states she was EVA's husband. EVA was EPSTEIN's ex-girlfriend. EPSTEIN had told that he used to date EVA. CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210-007 Page 22 of 29 EFTA_00074149 EFTA01248598 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 ContinuationofFD-302of (O) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 _page 23 of 29 EVA married GLEN saw the family often and they flew a lot with EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN, MAXWELL, GLEN and EVA were really friendly with each other. GLEN was just another really wealthy person and EVA may have been a doctor. GLEN and EVA lived in New York and Palm Beach. was asked if she knows to which she says she does not know. was asked if she knows of and she states she is She was asked if she knows to which she says yes. was in finance and was around MAXWELL and EPSTEIN's age range. friends with them and saw her on the island. was states she felt as though she was getting pushed out for quite some time by MAXWELL. She wasn't invited out as much and she felt abandoned. She didn't feel welcome anymore but she didn't know how to leave. MAXWELL would ignore MAXWELL was upset when came back. was asked if she had friends that could help out because she was always with her boyfriend. She mentions (unknown last name) . Based on her own experience, is now worried about because she brought her in. could know last name. was on the island and is still in touch with her. She was asked if she was in touch with MAXWELL around then. states she went to MAXWELL's around 2017. This was the last time saw her. MAXWELL was happy and said she had a new boyfriend. • CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210-007 Page 23 of 29 EFTA_00074150 EFTA01248599 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D—NY-3027571 CominustionofFD-302of ft)) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 ,page 24 of 29 does not know why she was ever grateful to her. She does not think she was ever important to MAXWELL. was there to be her schlep. didn't know about all these young girls and this sweetheart deal. She learned of the investigation around 2007-2008. does not remember talking to MAXWELL about it. thought EPSTEIN's sentence was relevant to what he did. She didn't know about the sweetheart deal. just thought someone was after his money. just learned the extent of what he was really doing. was asked of her feelings of MAXWELL now. She states that she sees her quite differently now. She thought of her as a trusting mother figure. is angry. She feels as though MAXWELL took advantage of someone really trusting. put MAXWELL on a pedestal. She thought MAXWELL was interesting and glamorous. never knew that she could be part of something so horrible. was asked how she feels that MAXWELL took advantage of her. states that MAXWELL took advantage of trust in her. was fearful of MAXWELL at the end even after she left. had to drop everything even is still a bit scared of MAXWELL. MAXWELL can be so nice and convincing but also really mean. was asked about her feelings of EPSTEIN now. She says that she feels angry, used, one of many, betrayed. She does not feel special the way she was told. She feels the opposite. She feels there's two monsters now because she thought they were so generous and kind and now she feels the opposite. MAXWELL made things seem harmless. It has not been harmless. It has changed how views life and people. did not realize how all of this was going to affect her. They made her feel that everyone else coming in was better or prettier than her and that she was the bottom of the rung. [Agent note: At this point in the interview a break was taken and Detective Byrne stepped out of the room and was no longer present during the following portion of the interview.] CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 24 of 29 EFTA 00074151 EFTA01248600 FD-302a (Rev. 5•&10) SOD—NY-3027571 Continuation of F0.302 of (o) Interview of ,on 10/14/2020 ,page 25 of 29 Five weeks prior to the date of this interview, MAXWELL indirectly contacted through a mutually known individual. MAXWELL had passed along a message that she (MAXWELL) had some of grandmother's belongings found it creepy that MAXWELL was trying to reach out because it felt like she was watching while she herself was in jail. In or around 2008 went to MAXWELL to see how she was and MAXWELL treated her like a long lost friend. was picking up things from EPSTEIN's attic. saw some of her things from storage, like books her father had given her, displayed around MAXWELL's house. was wondering why her things were in MAXWELL's house. This was when went to live wondered why MAXWELL had not told her then about her grandmother's belongings. One of jewelry boxes had been forced open and pearl necklaces were missing. felt this was a scare tactic by MAXWELL. have anything to do with MAXWELL. does not want to did not think that she had heard from MAXWELL after EPSTEIN's arrest in 2019. [Agent note: At this point in the interview stepped out of the room and was no longer present during the following portion of the interview.] In or around 2003, was invited to the island. shared a room with other people. was told to go to EPSTEIN's room, where and were also there. thought was also there. thought was MAXWELL's assistant. had seen when she went to MAXWELL's home office in or around 2008. felt that would know more recent information regarding MAXWELL. described that everyone had a hand or foot of EPSTEIN. thought EPSTEIN said something or did something for him. had EPSTEIN's left foot CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210-007 Page 25 of 29 EFTA_00074152 EFTA01248601 FD-302a (Rev. 5-840) 50D-NY-3027571 Continuation of FD-302 of 1D) Interview of Mn 10/14/2020 _page 26 of 29 while was on the top right. felt she had been tricked into the situation. Other than prior meeting with , these were people that were not familiar to . The memory is kind of hazy to because she thinks her brain did not want to remember it. felt that it was not like that before - it was like a shift. At one point thought she had dreamt it but it was a suppressed memory. had no clue if MAXWELL was involved in any way. does not remember other people being present. did not recall the rest of the trip because she was so tormented by it. In or around 2008, recalled a phone call with had wanted to thank EPSTEIN. told that EPSTEIN could see her at his house. It was not often that would see EPSTEIN at this house. was taken to the massage room and EPSTEIN was on the massage bed. There was a massage therapist there but did not remember the name of the individual; had not met her before. thought she was the same age as her and she was friendly. did what she was told. wondered why EPSTEIN was putting her in that position with a complete stranger. did not know that any massage took place. expected that she was there to please EPSTEIN. This individual seemed to know what she was doing. "Nothing sort of major" took place. had not spoken to EPSTEIN before or after the incident. had wanted to thank EPSTEIN for putting her in a flat and flying her to New York. recalled going to the office and remembered EPSTEIN sitting there playing the whole time. did not remember what was said but could see. This was the last time memory of him. with that a flip knife was all she saw EPSTEIN; this was her last hought was actually taking over for MAXWELL's position, which meant she was running EPSTEIN's homes and had the responsibility of taking care of EPSTEIN. After left, MAXWELL became a lot more pushy. MAXWELL went to ■ and needed help. felt that MAXWELL had conditioned her to drop everything when MAXWELL needed her. MAXWELL wanted a fitness instructor or yoga therapist. MAXWELL wanted to meet her friends and kept pushing her way into life. MAXWELL would tell , "Oh Jeffrey's coming into town, can you fill his fridge with groceries?". It was always something. felt that MAXWELL was trying to keep tabs on CONFIDENTIAL 3501.210.007 Page 26 of 29 EFTA 00074153 EFTA01248602 FD-3029(Rev.5-8-10) 50D—NY-3027571 CominustionofFD402of (U) Interview of .on 10/14/2020 _page 27 of 29 her. It was not friendly anymore; it was kind of depressive. While was working for MAXWELL, there were approximately three times where other people were in the room when sexual incidents occurred. recalled there being a a time where a group was watching TV. recalled three others, , an . Those are the only three she could remember as fact. There were various people around. These were people that hung out with; they were her peers and thou ht it would stay between them. Everyone wanted to be there. as having her school fees paid for so did not know if she was a victim. did not want the sexual episode to be happening. followed what other people did. described herself as a follower, not a leader. was one of friends in New York. They would go out at night with a group of friends. really liked thought EPSTEIN said he met while walking on the beach one day. thought she met early on. They hung out together and went to his island. thought was presently married. described EPSTEIN as an intelligent and wealthy man who was attractive to a lot of people. was someone who was educated in to EPSTEIN's island a lot and was on his plane quite a few times. She went Later, the sexual encounters became more. This was when was working for MAXWELL. The encounters were more visual and it was more of just being there. It was more tame than what has read in the papers and documents. described the encounters including EPSTEIN pleasuring himself while looking at them and/or one person would take over and be the leader in helping EPSTEIN by touching him. When was asked if MAXWELL was in the room during these encounters, she replied no. When was asked if MAXWELL knew this was happening, she replied yes. stated she was assuming MAXWELL knew. suspected MAXWELL had similar "episodes" with other people like she had with . MAXWELL was on the island with peers. MAXWELL was "just there"; did not know what MAXWELL was doing. At the time, an acquaintance. felt that MAXWELL kind of let it happen. CONFIDENTIAL was 3501.210.007 Page 27 of 29 EFTA 00074154 EFTA01248603 FD-302a(Rev.5-8-10) 50D-NY-3027571 Cominu