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Forms to be Filled out for Each Interview FOLKLORE
NEW YORK
FORM A
Circumstances of Interview
STATE New York
NAME OF WORKER Terry Roth Sean Schwartz
ADDRESS 47 W. 69th :Arcot, N.Y.C.
DATE Wrch 28, 1939
SUBJECT Conte:4.4 For is Tortuers
1. Date and tim of interview Afternoon, March 27, 1939
2. Place of interview IeLoGehoUs
3. Name and address of informant mr. 'salmon
4. Name and address of person, if any, who put you in
touch with informant.
5. Name and address of person, if any, accompanyinL you
Sam Schwartz
6. Description of room, house, surroundings, etc.
152 W. 13th Street, N.Y.C.
(Use as many additional sheets as necessary, for any of the forms, each
bearing the proper heading and the number to which the material refers.)
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FORM C
Text of Interview (Unedited)
FOLKLORE
NEW YORK
STATE New York
NAEE OF UORKER Terry Roth Sam Schwartz
ADDRESS 47 W. 69th Street, N.Y.C. 152 W. 13th Street, N.Y.C.
DATE March 28„ 1939
SUBJECT Contempt For His Torturers
I'll rlate you a story my friend he told me. It will give
you an idea.
In the olden days, about one hundred years agosothe Jews in
Poland were the middle element, between the peasantry and the big
landlords. They used to collect taxes from the peasants for the
big landlords. There was one Jew, he had about six daughter' to
marry and he was the one that collected the taxes. The landlord
was the nobility. So since he had about six daughters to marry,
he took down some money thet he collected, and he married ties
off, Then he didn't have r]oney to pay to the landlords. Those
days, the landlord was the absolutely Czar of his peasants. So,
you'll pardon me, since he didn't have the money, he went to the
landlord and he said to leave down his pants and flog him. B..
cause he didn't have to pay. So they flogged him and they let
him to rest of a week and another (ay they flogged him and let
him to rest. So the Jewish fellow went to the Rabbi and he told
the Rabbi. ",;hat shaJ.l I do? They are flouing me and it hurts."
So the Rabbi answered hir,. "What do you care? He's only a goy.
It doesn't mean anything."
Why did he tell me that? Beoause he's a married man and
has five ohildren. And he was out of work it t at time. So he
related that story in connection with his condition. This is the
philosophy of the Chassidisum (semi religious secular movement,
primarily against the intellectual hieraohy) That he looked with
contempt on his torturers. No matter how they torture hir, he
doesn't care.