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' During; the evening of May 10, 1971, ems DOUGILAS-» interviewed HOFFMAN end.his wife, ANITA, on his program which- was a two hour public radio broadcast over Cleveland, 0hiQ,_
~ radio station WKYC. The substance of their conversation- is as follows: , ' ,._,_ Q§---*- ;» - fU*3e"J5§ **46tTHAN said that the FBI haduot been"very"
' successful at infiltrating the Underground. He stated that
' } the Weathermen and Ueatherwomen have proved to be the hardest;,§ fugitives to apprehend in the history of the FBI, HOFFMAN_Q_ said that the youth movement is using its culture as a defense
to inhibit penetration by FBI Agents as hippies, sincees youths living ina communal existenceiorthsmmmt pert are
'-"" dirty, diseased, and wear long hair. HOFE£AN stated that
'6 . attcmots by FBI agents to infiltrate the Underground areg," equivalent to JIMMY STEWART, the actor, attempting to enter
pgq-e an Apache village. However, HOFFMAN said that within the~ last year this has changed somewhat, since agents have started
_ growing long hair.
-» WANITAf£6§hMnN stated that she had recently written L/=4 'a book entitled} "Trashing" under the pseudonym of ANNz?hETAMINE.
-e -~ Actually, she said, IIDFFI-EAN had written the book. A1-ciih stated
, T that after the bombing of the Capitol, that the FBI had asked-. the publishers of this hook if BERNADINE DOHRN had written it, --up-|
,, ; since the book containedeuiendorsement by her. ANITA statedi;e3 that DOHRN had written the endorsement, and that ABBIE and she? v had seen BERNADINE at the Chicago Conspiracy Qrial Just before&i_ BERHADINE went underground. 1 _
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him in New York City subsequent to his escape from
D.C, following his arrest there during the May Day
HOFFMAN stated he had been smuggled out of Jail in
can. HOFERAK further stated in a facetious manner
know either BERNIE DAVIS or JOHN FROINES and had nI O
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with them regarding the May Day Demonstration in Washington, D.C.
ANITA HOFFMAN stated that there would beanother
demonstration in Washington, D.C. some time this summer,
and she hoped that more people would appear this time. "
DOUGLAS, the moderator, then asked HOFFMAN how many
times he had been arrested. HOFFMAN responded that he thought
that he had been arrested Uh times and had been involved in
20 Ltrials.
HOFFHAN then advised that Kent State University KSU!
is currently the most intriguing campus in the nat
stated that there are at least 200 police agents o
in addition to other infiltrators and informants.
to HOFEMAH, the four students killed at KSU in May
depicted by the U.S. Government as being clean cut
actually they were "scruffy hippies" who were invo
activities on campus. DOUGLAS then commented that
campus radicals at KSU who had appeared on several
prior to the shootings, were not present on campus
four students were shot. HOFFMAN answered with "b
IOUGLAS than said he could furnish names of such r
on campus to HOFFMAN off the air. HOFFMAN did notion. He
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DOUGLAS then asked HOFFMAN if revolution was his
most important consideration. HOFFMAN responded t
the most important thing. Fortunately, we do not
distinguish between love and revolution". DOUGLAS
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need a revolution". HOFTMAN stated that the youth movement
now is trying to form a New Nation, also Known as
Nation, with its avowed purpose being the establis
values. HOFFMAN believes in a utopian society who
He stated that his philosophy is contained in histhe Woodstock
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assignment of "Newsweek" Magazine in Washington, D.C.
time that he took the photograph of ABBIE HOFFMAN.
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had taken in addition to the one that appeared in
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HOFFMAN in Washington, D.C. during May Day demonstrations.
_ststed that ass siren was on exclusiveassignment gor "Newsweek" Magazine at the time that he tooke the photographs of ABBIE HOFFMAN in Washington, D.C. He
stated that the photographs are owned by KEN REGAN. Heeteted that it is the established policy of "Newsweek" Magazine
not to make available to "anyone" any material obtained by
any of their staff or any individual worhing_ip_a_free-lenge _ _
capacity under contract to "Newsweek" Magazine because it
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an hour of topical conversation
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now here with our guests is HOWARD.
Thank you very much AL PARKER and
good evening ladies and gentlemen,
it's a delight to he with you again
to present our guests on this show.
The name of the program someone
thought to call it,wl9 HOWARD Ieets
the HOFFHANs." Properly I suppose
it should be said "The HOFFMANs Meet
HOWARD" hccause I think 2's here
more often than probably the HOFFHANs;
at least out of jail more often and
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never been conceived a teleyision
show that brought people together
with a wider diversity of attitudes
and philosophy and a conduct of life
than this program tonight. So how
it ends nobody viii know but we
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edge,a ABBIE and ANITA that a,one of
the main reasons you are making these
frequent television appearances is
because you have both written books.
A.this is a frequent n,excursion of
yours and to the ethereal so to speak
ABBIE, writing a,books. I think this
is the third or fourth in a series.
Third or fourth, yeah.
A,ANN or ANITA as you call yourself
AHN in this book as the authoress,
is this your first attempt? . .
Um~hun, yes.
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Ana have you decided to go straight
end start eriting books nee, both of
you or are you going to continue to
break the law?"
I don't think the books are too
straight, so ah.,_,
Well there are ah, yours is porn-
ography and that's straight literature
these days and its about the only
thing that sells.
Thank you.
She wrote it sitting in the gallery
or a, a the Judge's a, forget his
name a, here in Chicago.
Judge HOFFMAN? '
Yeah.
A fine judge.
In his courtroom ah, she had nothing
to do so she wrote the hook and ah,
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I believed that it was. Ab, ABBIE
so irequeetlg you have been referred
to as the clown prince.
You've got to say the name oi the...
We shall, sooner or later, ah I
usually don't publicize books that
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No; no, no, not that I dont disagree
with but I nean that isn't the lain
thrust of the programgrather than to
publicize the book to develop the
author! line, the author's tact,
I started saying ABBIE that you have
frequently been called the clown
prince of this movement, whatever
this movement is that you represent.
And I just ah, how serious you should
be called the clown prince, how
seriously you take yourself. Ah, is
this all a put on?
It isn't enough to know the difference
between put on and reality, meaning
sometimes when I'm in Washington I
kind of wonder about what: a put on
and what's a reality in terms of the
government. For example,_there's n
lot of ah, you know we learn a lot or
things in the fourth grade about courts
ah, you know, about free enterprise,
about anybody can grow up to be
President, Columbus discovered America
even though there were loads of people
here. We learn all these kind of
cliches and then ah, you know one
wonders whether or not the United
States isn't a put on.
Why, poor boys have become Presidents.
Almost anybody if he seeks the Presid
ency, certainly has the right to
achieve that ah, goal. He may not
achieve it because of our selective
system and political parties
but certainly has a right. Ah, so
you can't debunk the thought that
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society, ah, power structure
maintains itself in power by
using a variety of techniques,
sometimes the courts and sometimes
the uanipuletion of certain kinds
of language imiggipy; for example,
it I say to you the word crime,
you don't think oi e statistical,
you know survey the way that
RAMSEY CLARK wrote about in crime
in America. For example, he points
out that the Hoard of Elect, Board of
eh,Trustees of General Electric were
involved and indicted on the price
fixing scheme in 1967, which robbed
the American public of more money
than all the armed robberies,_," .
burglaries, muggings put together;
but when I say the word crime or
more particularly when you say it,
ah Deople flash on a, on a young
black guy with a gun coming out
from behind the bushes, you know,
holding up a middle aged white
couple: That's shat we see, So,
so ifs certain, you know, it's not
in the interest of the power structure,
it's not in the interest or the
"Chicago Tribune" or ABC Television
that people have in their mind when
they hear the word crime, the Board
of Electric, ah General, ah Board
of Directors of General Electric
or bank, you know banker....
But isn't it delightful ABBIE, don't
you have to admit that under our
system of Jurisprudence and law
that those men....
Bt did you Understand what I was _i
saying....
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ANITA HOFFHANt.
These men were brought to tow,
brought to court and were fined
a multiple millions of dollars
for this exercise and illegality,
so you see that system works. Oh,
sure they were convicted and their
corporate structure were made to pay
multimillions of dollars, ab as -
fines r that price fixing. So
you see the oossr system or the
court system does work.
But it's re-, ah aside from even
the amounts of shat the tines were,
which is sort of written oft on
the business. It's so ridiculous
to even rnmnnre that fn 11kg gh
people who were spending years in
jail before they even had trials.
I didn't see that many in Cook
County Jail last time....
Yeah, I mean....
I'm not so sure they did time.
Who lrt you referring to now?
Board of Directors at General
Electric, I didn't see them
in Cook County Jail.
Well theirs was not an offense
ah that called for prison tern
ah iS punishment, but rather 1
fine.
That's kind of strange their....
White oobr crimes never do, ah
you know, business, civil, you knad
you call it a civil case and that
means no jail.
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Nell you're not in Jail and
how many times have you broken
the law and you're still out.
Nell how many tines has he been
in Jail?
Well, in a way I: a, !'n a I
meln a perpetual Jail because
now even coming here lawyers
have to argue the case in court
for me to have the right to travel.
I'm on something like about 50 or
60 thousand dollar bail now. I have
just been arrested again even though,
ah I had less to do with organizing
these demonstrations ghgpeneral
MITCHELL himself and ah, you know
ah, we ah, you know that, we ah,
we're watched 24 hours a day by
at least four agencies in this
government and...-
Well don't you think you deserve
to be a security risk when you
advocate the destroying the system?
The book itself for me, tor ne to
be forced to publish my own book,
where 30 major publishers rejected
it for me to be forced to do that,
for me to have a book that the
New York Times even will refuse
to advertise is, is in a way putting
me and ly thoughts in 1 Jail.
But there are things in this book
though ABBIE, I think you'll have
to admit and ah, here we'll ecknowledge
the book in called Steal This Book",
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of how to skirt the law. Hell
you see! expect e legitieate
publisher to accept a treatise
such as this and publish it
because I doubt seriously if
it's going to have readership
on the basis of a, of a pay tome
and you can't expect a newspaper
to advertise something that
indicates how to break lav.
Iell, 1'0, ahmm, I'm not exactly
sure about that because the day
they advocate for example, how
if they would advocate how you
would start a bank. That to us
would be a way of advocating
how to break the law. You know
if General Rotors is involved
in breaking the law, we could
name a number of laws that their
involved in breaking. You know
pollution laws, a safety laws, a...
I don't know that their guilty
in breaking any laws as of now.
The American, the American telephone
company, a few years ago also was
involved in a similar scheme in
which the government found that
they were involved in robbing
the American public of ah, couple
of billion dollars and yet nobody
would suggest that AT&T doesn't
have the right to advertise. So
again its a question of what you
consider crime. I don't consider
shoplifting in the same breath
that I do in terms or ah, taking
a neat for example and adding'
faulty chemicals to make it look
,ood,of using false promotions,
you know of using all the other
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Iell of course People like that
when'their caught, when they're
apprehended, the ah district
attorney will file suit and they
will go to Jail as properly they
should. There shouldn't he two
laws, nobody argues the fact there
should be two lass but there shocle
be lav and it should be abided by
all people whether their boards
of directors or General Electric
or whether their ABBIE HOPFHANs
or ANITA HOFFHAN8.
Ah, Iewzs §¥&1Vc in Lhe'tria1
about a year ago here in town.
Did, you heard about thnt....
I heard about it, I read a little
about it.
Well, one thing I learned in that
trial and Ive been traveling to
other countries, ah quite I bit
during the last year and sost
people conclude that if there
was one person responsibile
for what the government itself
called a police riot, it happens
to be the fair mayor of this town,
but you cannot conceive of the
mayor of this town and the chief
of police and the superintendent
of police being put on trial tor -
conspiracy to incite riot. You
can't conceive or that because the
courts are not there to punish
people like Iayor DALEY or for
that matter to assert any kind of
Justice. They're there to protect
the power and the property of.mt,
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The citizenry. To protect the
citizenry of the City of Chicago.
No, I wouldn't exactly say that.
Ah, ahmm, in Washington this weekend
ah, people eere picked us on the
basis of how they looked, ah the
color of their skin, their age,
not because they were committing
any particular kind of act, just
because they happened to be on
the streets. I don't know if
you would agree vith that, but
the federal courts themselves did
and accused the attorney general
of committing what amounts to
13,000 illegal arrests.
ABBIE lets take a break here,
we'll be back in Just a moment
on"Chicago."
ABBIE, I sometimes feel that
you would rather be a comedienne
on a program like this and be
funny because you have an acute
sense of human than be serious.
However, I wish you would though be
serious for just a moment because
there are a couple or questions
that I think maybe I can hope
to find out about you and perhaps
yofll find out about no, ii you don't
already know, of about your serious-
ness in this movement. First_of£
you advocate the destruction of,
the destroying of our system of
government. Is this what you
vrofess to believe?
Yes. ~. ,
Yes. Ah, this country, ah you know
is onegsixteenth of the world
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population and it controls 55
percent of the world's resources
and ah, that's criminal right
there, that alone. We, we were
Just reading this afternoon
about China} which even the most
ah, you don't have to be....
What do you-moan by resources,
55 bercent of the resources?
?ou mean the naturai resources?
A11 it means are copper nines
in Chile. Yeah, natural resources.
No more in Chile. laughingly!.
Well, that's right,aughing!
Give them back.
Well that's not true, that's not
true but go ahead and take it from
there. g _ m m* .
Well, it, they have lost long range
lease agreements but uhmm, ah you
knee we were reading about China
and, and you don't have to be like
a left wing, or communist ah,reporter
to write articles which are coming
out now about how nobody there has
to worry about being hungry. Nobody
has to worry about ah, not having a
Job. and then you know, you think
of Harlem, you think oi Bedford
Fibeytuaerrt phonetic!. We're from
New York so ah, I mean ah, they
just burned down ah....
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that is hunger as we have never
known it in this country by great
numbers of people.
Well there, Indians are....
You see you, you people I think
make these charges against the
United States without having
documentation of what you say.
Ah, it you were going to destroy
this system then that system would
you employ? If ve-have 55 percent
of the natural wealth of the world
in this country, maybe itb our
system to develop that.
Maybe ah, the reason there are
still hungry people in this country
is because most ah rich people
are hoarding it to themselves.
People who are, rule this country.
we have the highest standard of
living of any nation in the
world. For a mean average, for
a mean average, for a nean average.
By far, the mean average or the
United States or America is the
highest standard of living in the
world.
But that's, that's tron raping
the rest of the world anyway.
I mean in Cuba they have free
telephones and tree rent, and
nobody goes hungry in China.
People are going hungry here.
Nobody goes hungry in China at all?
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No and they have a place to live.
I ah, they don't have rat problems
in Chin...Yeah.
Simultaneous.
Hey HOWARD, how cone all these- 1intellectual questions. Hhere s
the name calling already? I nean....
Well I know that, I know that
frequently it, it must be very
refreshing for you to speak
seriously to someone, seriously
rather than make mockery of what
you stand for. I think that it
you really want t0_preseut s cause,
I think you really, it you want
to present a cause... ABBIE and
ANITA 1aughing!...ABBIE, I would
think that it you wanted to-present
a cause, you ought to do it with
some degree of a seriousness to '
the approach of the thing, if you
don't want people to continue
to think of you as the clownprince,
it you really have....
I thought he was pretty serious
before. I must say, I mean....
If, if you really have a thrust,
I would think that you could
propose that thrust in a manner
without being the comedienne.
The last time I thrusted I got
a broken nose. laughing!
That's right, your just getting
over that assault on a police
officer in Washington, D.C. Are '
you under arrest for that ABBIE?
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Yes, I think a couple of charges,
Catch 22, the usual crap, we'll
walk out. e
Your lawyer's have assured you
that you can bent this rap too.
Oh yeah. Ie got more lawyers
than the Justice Department.
Ehet do you propose than ABBIE?
Ah, I still haven't found a
way to get an answer frog_th1s
quesnion. what do you propose
is a form of government then?
Haven't. Haven't. Communism,
communiSm. laughing!
if your going to destroy the
system that we have in America,
you would like 10 have this a
communist slate.
Yes.
Are you a member of the Communist
Party? -
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to God I'm a member of the Communist
Party.
And I'm a homosexual.
I'm a drug addict.
are you actively working ah....
And I'M carrying the mayor's baby.
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ABBIB HOFFMAN:Are you actively working in the
Communist Party?
Oh my God, I heard 0! taking LSD,
I mean... Huh?
Are you actively working in the
Communist Party?
Ie11,I wouldn't use the word work
you know, that is kind of a dirty
word for us sorts.
You don't believe that work is....
I hang, I hang around there and
get my instructions. _
All right now ABBIE let me ask
you first if you believe in any....
I was out voted about coming on
this show.
If you believe in any law at all.
Do you believe any law or regulation
should exist any place in society?
Yell! a
You mentioned the power structure
a short while ago. Dont you have
a power structure in the Yippie
Iovement? Aren't you and JERRY
RUBIN, ah some of your cohorts
leaders in that movement and
isn't this ah, a means of showing
power over the rank and file of
the Yippies.
Our national headquarters is
in Butte, Montana, and we've
never visited it, but I don't
think its that, there always is
the tendency of people who work
within the system or support it
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why....
But you give orders don't you
to Yippies?
Ah, well lets, lets take ah
the demonstrations in Washington.
in accused of having given a
speech in Oklahoma, where I
said a couple of words about
why don't_you go to Washington,
you knee and have a good tiae -
and a, ah I'm in no way connected
with the May Day Collective. When
we've gone on television, ANITA
said go to Washington. I haven't
said nothing but it would be im-
possible for the government to
indict a pregnant woman, you know,
they'd, they'd....
well, to indict a woman even at
this point, I mean they don't even
ah, they only know the same leaders
from Chicago ¬onvention 68.
Well, you can't blame the government
for your pregnancy though. And it
you break the lew====
Well, well look at who they indicted
for the Hay Day demonstrations. Look
at who they've indicted for the lay
Day demonstrations, JOHN FIDINES,
RENNIE DAVIS, and ABBIE so far,
probably DAVE DELLINGER, probably
JERRY RUBIN. -. a Z_l_4 9'1 I 1-y.
They'll indict DAVE, DAVE DELLINGEH.
He was in the hospital two weeks blind
before the demonstrations took place.
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But haven't you in'large measure
been-responsible for the people
going to Washington.
Of course not. Ah, first of all
there's like ah, whole groups of
people who working on it in
Washington. Ionen playing a.verg
very major role in organizing
those demonstrations as women
played in the streets on Ionday
and no women have been indicted,
let alone any even new people,
the government can't even think
up new names. I mean its ridiculous.
Dear, I was not active.the way
I was active in Chicago, you know
in terms of going to meetings,
of asking people to come or travel
around the country; no, it's not
active but, but the government
tends to watch old movies, reruns.
were going to be back now with
the HDFFMANs in just a moment on
"Chicago."
All right lets go to the calls
now and our public wants to Join
the panel. Number one, you're on
"Chicago" with the HOFFMANs.
Oh hello, this is a question _
for my wife's favorite revolutionary.
Do you think we're dangerously
moving toward the right collectively
and are you developing methods, ABBIE,
to divert unemployed scientists and
engineers to create our tree society?
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and scientists ah, who are creating,
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catalog, really to ah, see that
all their people are inventing
houses made out of foam, all kinds
of ways and AB, BBIE's book still,
this book is really a manual on
how to survive, ow to live in
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devise a device that you attach
to the phone and make it receive
all calls for nothing, that's in
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the low to do ii.
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How would they relate to what
you'are doing? I think n, I
know you once said something
about somebody worrying about
whose going to pick up the garbage,
I think on some other show and
you said that, you know, guys like
you who worry about it. Iould
you have some real solution to
that problem?
I think it uhn, it can be shared,
like thats what they do in China.
Um, professors, diplomats have to
spend time working in rice fields.
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one then nobody has to devote his
life doing them. It becomes an
equal burden.
But isn't this a misuse of great
brains and intelligence it you
remove an engineer or a scientist
from his laboratory.
But maybe everybody has great
brains and intelligence. I think
we believe that most people are
really creative and have that
potential in then.
well you certainly don't think
that all people are suited to
do the sane Job, though. You
can't take a laborer who has
never studied chemistry and....
Hobody's suited though for
menial labor. I don't think
any human being probably is.
Everyone is capable I think of
better things, so we all just
have to share that kind of work.
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those better things.
In this, in this system because
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petition becauae it believes
people are basically evil so
they have to, you know, inculcate
them with competitive goals, you
know; in fact, in his question .
implied, you know, a false dichotomy.
He said whose going to do the dirty
work. You see, its only in this
system that ah, we have-o concept
of, you know, noble work and dirty
work. If you don't have that
concept, then there really is no
division.
But it you don't have that concept,
your not being rea1istic.though, are
you ABBIE?
And people seen picking up, people
seen picking up the got---; yes
they11.thiuk you are, yeah, ah
I mean I, 1....
Because even within a family
like we share a what would, you
know we, ah women through the ages
have always had to do that kind of
work.
I do the laundry, we share the custom
we both write books and nobody....
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a Balk vaccine yet.
Iell,.vel1 ah, well ah...-
Ie like our books.
It's already, it's already been
done anyway. We're, we're aiming
for bigger things. '
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but you like your books. You didn'
want to discover the Salk vaccine.
Nobody's denying that maybe you
couid have, but the point is we
can't all do the same things.
But I, but I don't think....
Oh, we're not saying that, ah you
know.
First of all, 1 don't think the
people that discovered the Salk
vaccine relate exactly to what
they do in this work. They_find
some Joy in it. In other words,
they don't a, they aren't relating
with something that they gotta do
you know, they probably don't sleep
late; they probably get up early.
we eieeo like foo? hours a day,
eat about one meal you know and
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the image that your living too,
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or fly back to New York tomorrow
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neanlwe live on forged credit
cards and....
Mean I stole it, well, we steal
a lot or stuff so....
We'll go back to the phones.
I know you don't live on forged
credit cards because I'm sure
you don't have to with the
royalties that you get from the
book.
Yeah, but that would be cheatin -
nan, that would be living in sin.
And once she started living on
forged credit cards I'm sure
that would be one more rap against
you in the courts.
Because the money that a, the
money that we bring in a, can
go for better things you know,
things that furtber....
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A Ir. HOFFMAN,
Yes number three.
Can I have your opinion on ANGELA
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Our heroic sister, I mean....
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to»the same school me and ANGIE.
She's a being nominated for
president of the alumnae association.
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I'll ever vote in but I...-
So your insier is that she is a
soul sister and....
I think I, Iell I think her trial
is tremendously ilportant,1t's like
a pretty interesting they can't
even find a judge to do it but a,
1, I think it's a, re plan to go
out there you know a, the law, the
good law willing and a you know n,
a help in any way we kind in her
trial once it starts and BUSSEL Ph!
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people on trial but you know how
the personalities....
And you'll be out there to testify
in her behalf if it's required.
No,we'll be out to help a raise
money, to help a cross statelines
to raise....
Thank you very much for your question
sir, we'll be back now in Just a
moment with the HOFFHANs on "Chicago."
ABBIE and ANITA one thing that you
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your people a'that they....
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Well, I think if the Yippie
Iovement is as large as it is
suppose to be, you certainly
must have followers, people
who will hang on your advice
and your words. If 500,000
will go someplace or read your
books, they certainly a, you've
got followers. __
We've got some neat tricks but
we have yet to pot the waters
of Lake Michigan.
What about marijuana? _
Oh, super, yeah we're on it right
now, lovina every minute of it,
thanks for sending it to the hotel
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two your on "Chicago,"
Yes, I would like to direct to
address this question to ABBIE.
Can you hear,man?
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Okay, well just for the benefit-
ot the audience, he's a law
investigator here, and he: done
a lot 01....
A11 right, yeah, oh the guy....
Yeah, he's done a lot of really
good things to n find corruption
in the Justice Department.
Oh, he thinks we're CIA agents.
Hhct?
He thinks we're CIA agents, that
the guy?
Yeah, right. .
Oh gees, I know which one you mean
yeah right. I got him.
Look I'd like to know how much
credence there is to that and
I'd like to know it you know
anything about it cause like
it's been, it's shaking up a lot
of us here nan.
Oh, your kidding me. You got
to be kidding.
No, I'm not because he's a, he's
no pig believe ne.
Well, I, I mean I can't underst---
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of it is that they feel, they
feel ABBIE in the need that the
movement has been infiltrated,
because we do have soae very
clever undercover agents in
Washington, so obviously if they
wanted to infiltrate any movement,
they could. And whether-it's you
or RENNIE DAVIS, I heard it
proposed that BERNIE was a member
of the CIA; but regardless, the
chances are there aren't many t .
or you close to you who are members
of the TI Psrty....
I've had my doubts about BERNIE,
yeah. I'll watch him carefully.
No seriously now for a moment.
All right,serious1y would you
suppose that there are people
very close to the government,
to the so-called establishment,
a who are part of your movement
though, that are c se to youpeo rile? é
Well when you get into the a, -
liberal areas in other words,
a you know 1 lot of the supporters,
like reporters you know or editors
for fancy liberal magazines and 1
newspapers, a there is a lot of
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question though because I've heard
that rumor too many times, not
about you ABBIE or you ANITA but
I have heard about other members
of this so-called Yippie Hovement.
we'll go back to phones and number
six your on "Chicago."
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um, does ABBIE believe in JERRY
lUBIN's um belie! in his new book
that a radicals lust be prepared
to kill their parents and it so,
has he killed his parents yet.
And also, referring to his recent
claim on REE TV in Boston that he
earned $200,000 last year, doesn't
he think a, he would be more in
tune with his philosophy it he
gave his lectures for free and
for example, your HOWARD IILLER
Show for free instead of charging .
for them in s eap11a1i=f_or1ented
manner and also has he paid his
taxes on this income?
Okay sir, a three-part question.
Do you believe in the RUBIN
philosophy to kill your parents?
JERRY has killed his parents;
I have to give him credit for that,
but a, l think it wasn't his new
book. In his new book, a wherever
he explains that ticular philo-sonhn,but I thinkqiaen we're talkingabout cultural ret-uution, your
talking about killing the institutions
and the value systems of your parents,
in fact.... .
Arent you rationalizingidid he
mean that and if he did, why didP't'
he say that? _ . .
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Nation" so I can explain what I
mean. You want to ask JERRY that
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hell, why should you have to
explain what you nelnt? Why
wouldn't it serve as a statement
of fact or principle?
Okay, we'll leave it hang in
mid-air then.
Gkay now, the gentleman also
said that you made $200,000
last year....
I thought that was JERRY. 1....
That was JERRY, yeah.
Oh, was it JERRY you said sir?
I, I made four hundred thousand.
JERRYs Just a new comer.-
Do you file an income tax on that?
On your earnings?
Yeah, in fact the government is,s the IRS, which 5"" a much betterintelligence app Q,Eus than the
FBI, which of th =%-ur agencies
watching me, the '31 is the worst.
They Just have Eih ZIHBALEST and
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is assessing I8 taxes for civil
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know, in 66, 67, in tact they're
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question, you do file an income
tax and you pay the 188....
A, I try not to, I mean that:
snow being heshen out in the courts,
you know.
Iell your, you've not been indicted
on evasion of taxes have you?
Ho, but a, when we were.in Cook -
County Jail, the people who
belonged to the_the_nane_I cgn3t_,
say, :,"i*¥aé':c£11=n group.
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on honest people, there; no
reason.... '
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how they're going to get us, 8
you know through the use of the
IRS, but a I would say in terms
of not charging n =ey for speeches
a for books, a, '?e trial here
in Chicago and t ggppeal costs
something like S ',000 and I as
I say, the_proti from this book
go e to the radio station !PAX,
which broadcasts antiwar news
to servicemen and servicewouen
and e, a profits tron other books
went to conaittee to defend the
panthers, went to other trials,
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Okay, thank you for your call sir
Nunber seven, you're on "Chicago"
Hello. .
Yes.
I would like to know, ask ABBIE
where did he get, where did he
actually do his research for his
book? Was it Just on the basis
of street knowledge or...-
A lot of people did research for
it. About at least six different
people have a and specialist like
a the people who do, did the
a telephone stuff for engineers
and ohm, all of us have been....
Television people yes.
These are people who have con-
tributed their knowledge to
you so yours is a compilation
0! all their knowledge.
Yeah.
Yeah, they get a cut, they get
a cut to the book too, but 1, a
for example there: a section on
how to live tree in Chicago, a, a
that a lot of people from Chicago
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information, has the best of any
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outside the system, you have....
Outside the lav?
Yeah, you have to devise certain
methods of putting food in your
mouth, living on land, etc., etc.,
so that involves u certain system;
although, some of the methods
are legal, some are i11ega1,you
know I don't make the distinction.
Neither me nor the Chicago Police
Department get hung up in those
technicalities that I: saying
HOWARD.
We're going to be back now in
Just a moment on "Chicago."
ABBIE and ANITA will you tell
me about UPAX, now this is a
radio syndicated format that
you send to troop overseas, a
WPAX call letters that you
just aide Up. Row what siiiios
broadcast ah, those syndicated
programs that your making?
Well, uhm, first of all its
mainly news and music that the
Armed Forces network won't
broadcast for its own peculiar A
reasons and Q, we have a studio
in New York we send n ta¢--
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Vietnam, loads of governments, ah,
North Vietnamese will Play it
on radio Hanoi.
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Wefre not g¢v9ggg1n; desertion
or uhm assassinate your officers
or anything like that, 1t's really
Just a, supplemental news which
they don't get, ubn...
Like what?
Uhm, well, like news about uhm
lay Day,
the war,
Have any
a lookedabout veterans against
the hear1ngs....
of these tapes ever-been
at by the Justice Department
to see_whether-or~not you awu4k;...
They probably will be.augh1ng!
They watch us make love, not
make tapes.augh1ng!
Has thisnot started? Kaye these
tapes started already, the flow
to the North Vietnamese?
Well, they have, we sent about
40, 50 hours already, a and a, I
as far as we know it hasn't gone
on the air yet but we expect it
any day for then to start on the
air.
Are you using the U.S. Hails
to get it over there and how
does, how do you process it
then into North Vietnamese language?
We use our own air force.
Seriously, how do you get it over
there?
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We can't say, unfortunately HOWARD
the Central Committee will not
allow ne to divulge that information.
But you are aaking tapes weekly
to send over there and their being
broadcast on North Vietnamese radio.
We're not the only ones. There:
a group here in Chicago, radio tree
people, which makes some excellent
tapes. There's groups all around
the country that nake,JOHN LENNON 7
and YOKIIONOU Ph! uade an original
halt hour tape that's being played.
Uhn, but there is a news communication
sin. for example, soldiers in the
Mecong Delta Pb! wrote us and told
us that it wasn't for three weeks
ah, that they even knew that there
was an invasion of Laos taking place,
and there they were their own troops
in the Heoorg Delta Ph! and ah, we
are offering it to radio station
in Frankfurt, Germany, and Tokyo,
and we hope to within six months
to reach 75, 80 percent of a,
servicemen and servicewomen that are
overseas.
What sort of message do you try
to get to our troops overseas,
ABBIE? What do you feel is necessary
for them to know?
I think they Just have to know
really the truth of what's happening
there, 1ike.... ,
As you see the truth?
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No, well like I'm pregnant, so
this-is like an item that's
specirically,rea1ly upsets me
that 2 there are areas of South
Vietnam which were....
You mean that they don't know
0your pregnant!
No. There's areas of South
Vietnam where a the heaviest
bombings occurred where 60
percent of the birds, 60 percent
of the babies that Vietnamese
women are giving birth to are
deformed, which is from the
herbicides in the water and
fallout from a, from our bombs.
Now that's something....
You mean fallo" *oo s dynamite
bomb? '
I, I just know that if they, between
their second ano seventh week 1!
they drink a 11:¢r of water a day,
chances are nine out of ten that
their babies will be deformed. And
you don't, you don't hear about that
much here but like I, I should think
that that would be....
well I don't think that in the
history of nan, it's ever been
heard that a dynamite bomb has
a fallout ANITA.
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It comes to ebout two Hiroshlnas
every ten days, the equivalent 01....
It.dbes do things to the atmosphere
and to the land itself that are
irrepairable and do a....
Let's go to the phones now and
number one your on "Chicago"
with the HUFF!A!st
But a, I might Just say something
about the broadcast HOWARD....
Wait just one moment, please.
We night, we might_§g; examolg ,
read "NeW§ieeF's _account of
the ay ay arrest in Toto, n
you know and we pay a lot of
rock music and soul music 1
that's not p1ayed....
Do you think that you cover the
news that their getting? Do
you feel that you color it so
in your eyes its truth but may
- not he truth in the eyes of
society as we know society?
well, let: say we present the
news that the voice or the
pentagon doesn't present but 1
I, I, would you, would you accuse
the a people working in the USIA?
You do not im sure.
I'm not even accusing you of
anything, ABBIE. I'm Just saying
a, a, is it news that only you
Judge, is it only news that you
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froh the station, you know....
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I don't believe there is an animal...
ABBIE?
Yes, go ahead please.
ABBIE, I would like to know, do
you or any of your friends have
any plans for demonstrations at
the 1972 Democratic or Republican
National Conventions? Also who
do you foresee as the Democratic
nominee for the Presidency and
would it be of any consequence
who was nominated?
Well, I just have to say about
the convention that I'm sure
that like the government will
have to indict them, the Democratic
and Republican Parties because
they know that as soon as the
places and dates are announced
at the conventions, people will
Just be flocking there. They'll
be, you know it will be huge.
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but I think that a, the, I dodt-
even think that there's going to
be that much organization because
I think people have it in their
heads that they'll Just be there.
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Both Ronublican and Democrat.
Simultaneous.
For exampie a, a, we organized
the he-in, the first be-in, a
well the first in the East in
Central Park in a 1966 Ils.1t
or 60....
67.
So we got married there, so and a
and a the next year it was somewhat
organized you know, and the next year
less and this year less but more
and more people came, it's Just now
sort of an event, a, a an annual
event of a our new nation you know
in contrast to the East-nobody
organizes the Easter parade on
Fifth Ave., you know 3...,
They Just come.
They Just rome, I think....
I think the other part of this young
lady's question was who you feel
is going to be the a candidates for
Presidency of the United States.
would you care to say?
I, I would a think a, MUSKIE
from Maine will be it.I mean
he's being groomed and it is a,
you know it is a grooming process
and it has to do, the old god
is very nmnipotent in the Democratic
Party and you can, you
tell a in terms of the
debts, in terms of the
dinners, the decisions
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to you than Mr. HUHPHREY or Ir.
NIx0N on the Republican aide or
do you feel that they all represent
the estab11shment.pretty much?
No, no I mean we don't a, we don't
conceive that change can some
about that way you know. In some
other we, a the elections in
Berkeley we....
You believe in the Marxist a
theory of it must he a violent
revolution rather than a peaceful
revolution?
No, in fact, in fact the Marxists
don't. I mean if your talking
about the Communist Party, they
believe only in peaceful change
working within this system. huh!
a bit out of touch HOWARD,
But certainly the nerxist philosophy
is that you must have violence.
Their model is Chile. No, no,
their model is Chile, a their
model is the lta1-, Italian
Communist...-
You'I1 have to admit that they
dont want peaceful revolution.
They, they, they need the over-
throw by violence.
But most of the people,who today
are comprised with the Communist
Party, do advocate peaceful change
in within this system.
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Chile, Chile was the pick of the
peaceul, a that's a communist
country, now wouldn't you soy.
which one, Chile?
Chile, yeah and DAVID, MARKS,
well, it wasn't an armed struggle.
In fact, and the communists, if
your talking about the Russian
Communists; that's the, that's
the model that they put forth
to the third world of that kind
of a change.
Oh, what your saying is that
your form of communism will
achieve it eithout the violent
revolution, rather than through
the Russian system. _
I'm, I'm a we're involved in I
cultural revolution so we dont,
we dun't, it's not tied to a
political ideology, it's tied to
viewing America as a decadent
empire and viewing what we're
involved in as, as the birth
of a new nation, new symbols,
new flag, a, you know, new form
of a human relationship with
each other, you know non-exploitive
We also consider ourselves anarchists
I know, you know, how, you know as
much as a....
Hell I would certainly think
that an anarchistic is violent.
We'll be back in Just a moment
on "Chicago."
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ABBIE and ANITA HOFFMAN, they Ire
here in the interest of a,two
books that they wrote and we
havent had a chance very much
to talk ahout"Trashing It" which
is a book written by ANITA and
this hook called "Steal This Book,"
Quite=i invitation; i ABBlE's new
book. His third in a series a,
one is equal to the other and
we'll go to the phones and number
three your on "Qhicego," Number
three your on "Chicago."
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ABBIE I'm reading your book now
"Steal This Book," and I think
it's a real far out book, and
at the end of it you have a
picture of JANIS JOPLIN, and
I was wondering if you had did
JANIS JOPLIN and why you had
her picture at the end of your
hook.
A, I just wrote a an epilog to
"Woodstock Nation" which is a
total out down of the, of rock
music and the rock a empire and
a, you know JANIS is sort of a
heroine but it is a, we knew her
quite well, in fact she is the
only person that Ive ever seen
shoot anything heroin and l
described her kind of paetty
vividly and disgustingly n, it a,
Just thinking about it now makes
he shiver. Um, a if you saw JAHIS
sing, a like-I saw her here in the
Aragon Ballroom which is a gooqN_,_
setting to sec her, you would see,
say that aha was going to die soon
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she was burning oft futile
energy. T aean it was Just
un--, you know it was non-involved
energy, you know a. It's sad
about a her and a JIMMY HENDRIX
dying.
In other words you became turned
off as a result of a....
As far as we've seen her, we
liked her the beBt.of all the
singers. .
Because of her private life
you were turned off prior to
her death? .
A, i'm, ho we dug her because
she was very stout. We liked a
diggod style whether it's her
or even AGNEW you know, people
like that....
But you, but you weren't in
agreement with her, a in her
personal life when she used
a the hard drugs.
No, she was immoral.
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a hundred or so Representatives
in the House have agreed to stop
funds for the war after December
31. '80 I would like to know What
the HOFFMANs think should be done
to correct this. D0 they think
referendum should be held like
they have in European countries,
or do they think, how do they
think the power should be brought
back to the people?
Okay, thank you tor your questions.
Want to take it ABBIE or ANITA?
How should power be brought back
to the people in your philosophy?
well, I'm thinking of the Vietnamese:
we met a with the a North Vietnamese
in the National Liberation Front
in Paris and they described to on
their system of power to the people
and I, we're such a highly techno-
logical society, that I don't
know if it's comparable but probably
a good way to start is with a, their
organized around always small groups
of people and everything is voted on
and a by small units so then build
up in a peron--- sort of a P9f9°"l1
structure. Ahm....
But if power should go to the people,
why is it that you dont speak out
to the North Vietnamese and tell
them to lay down their arms, that
their people too, that they should
have the power over the power structure
in the North Vietnamese Government.
why should they be drafted and sent
off to war? Why should power to the
people only revert to the person who ha,
goes to war in an American uniform?
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volunteer army but I don't
want to get into that kind of
semantic difference, but there
is a fundamental difference in
fighting for your own land or
being sent nine thousand miles
a a....
But aren't the South Vietnamese
fighting for their own land?
A, it's :1 fa1S.<¬&!"t1Ol'l,,_.1!'l this.
1ts false, but it's a partition
created by us. It's not a ah,
it's not n petitioni...
We weren't even there when it was
partiti°qi,ABEiE. Row you know
that's not true. He weren't any
where near Indochina, when
the parallel was set out. i
We were quite prominent through
Mr. DALLAS at the Geneva Convention
but you know, it's kind of old ha;
I mean it's a, you know, it, it,
often the a, the a, you know ahm,
you know it's a, I think most
people have seen through the put on
of KARL Ph! and a what the North
Vietnamese and the Viet Cong are
doing in Vietnam, seen that as
aggression. I think they've seen
through that kind or language. I
den: even think the Secretary ef
Defense uses that language any more
I mean I've heard him refer the war
in different terms but a, it's Just
people like you that use_that word.
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So a, the, the entire var
structure is a result or only
the South Vietnamese or, and
the American forces and has
nothing to do with the Viet Cong
or the North Vietnamese at all,
their government. You feel that
they're blameless in this setter,
when they're the ones who invaded
South Vietnamese.
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There's, there's a no guerrilla '
force. There's no liberation force
that can exist without the support
of the people. They don't have
an-air force, they don't have a
seventh fleet waiting off the
China coast, you know, they don't
have helicopters bringing them
supplies. The supplies have to
he handed from people, the people,
the peop1e.... '
Only because a great nation like
ours, capitalistic in its complexity,
is able to build helicopters and
the poor nations that have not had
our system of government, not had
our system of competition are without,
of course, the abiiities to do things
that are progressive.
well, our nation's so great that
I think that our soidiers over there
don't know why their there and vonld
like to be home. A, there not really
fervent about what they're fighting
for the way the Vietnamese are because
they know that it means a real change
in their lives.
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Well; it seems to me that there
are fewer desertions in this
United States Army over in Viet,
North, South Vietnamese than
there are in the Second World War,
and these statistics proven by
document.
We were in Europe and countries
there now, probably 50,000 in
Sweden, probably another 50,000
in Canada, there were at least
10,000 in France, all through
Eurone....
Simultaneous! ~ ~
['11 say this. Right here in
Chicago and this is really unusual,-
we talked to a draft resistance
worker here. Now out of a hundred
neruent that have sent their greetings
letter, hundred percent young men,
well, a, 30 percent know that they're
getting out, you know, they're missing
some teeth or you know, they're batty
or, you know they got something.
They know they're getting out. Okay.
A, of the rest, 50 percent of that
chunk don't even bother showing up.
In other words, only 18 percent of
the people show up and are willing
to go into the army to fight this
war. Half don't even show up, I
moan that's, that's never happened
a, a, I don't know maybe the Civil
war wasn't too popular.
We're going to be hack in just a
moment on "Chicago."
We're a little bit late, thank: U-"»@w
ABBIE, thanks ANITA for being here
and we'll see you tomorrow night on
Chicago. Goodnight.
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"The East Village Other," a New York City weekly
newspaper, in its May 18, 1971 issue, on page 6, Column 5,
contained an article entitled, "free Abbie Hoffman" which
stated as follows;
"Abbie Hoffman needs photos and eyewitness accounts
of police beating him, 10:00 am, Monday, May 3, at WisconsinAvenue and R Street. He also needs photos of him at the prison
compound.
"Besides crossing stete lines to incite e riot, he's
now being charged with assault and is currextiy out on $20,000
bail.
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huh?
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books over here cause, ahm,
we'll be talking mostly about
the books tomorrow. Cause
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What are we going to inaudible!
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No. Un-un that was inaudible!.
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inaudible! what you were like
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When you inaudible! four years
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Ran away from home.
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around B11 year for Halloween.
inaudible! Yeah. I used to
look forward to that. In fact
we had, ah, in our neighborhood
we had expanded it for the first
two days. Ie celebrated the night
before Halloween and Halloween.
And then the night after Halloween
too, then the whole month of October
you cut October. Finally I became
n revolutionary and we could do
it everyday of the year.
What do you mean everyday is
Halloween?
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intricate schemes, a lot of them
are inaudible! and monkey warfare
which comes right from, ah, ah,
Halloween, ah, back in Massachusetts
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ah, I had a, ah, fight, ah, ahm,
with a future inaudible word!
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ah, the Temple too for, ah, play:
hide and seek and I hid where the
keep all the, ah, all the, the
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for hanging around here, so, ah,
then, ah, I started embarking on
my parents fantasies which was
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you were a clinical psychologist
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We both are, were. Ah, we both
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fact it is a good place to begin
to see, ah. you know, ah, sort of
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then, ah, you know, y---, and also
to discover that, ah, you know,
you can't just work within the
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they, ah, insist that you do because
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you know, and, ah, staff meetings,
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to Objects, and, ah, you're
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join the patients. S0, ah....
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Aren't you also a criminologist?
I heard somewhere that you....
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on that. Thats just a rumor....
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standard law in the country, and
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yeah, yeah, ah, yeah. When
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written Julie ph!, ah, that
maybe the other seven, you know,
all that stuff the papers
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You know. I showed it to Rennie
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and, but they finally came.
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our houses. The shotguns didn't
upset them too much. The stnch
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ah, ah, we, we, ah, stutters! mo
visually motivated. You know, we
see five to ten movies a week
probably and, ah. you know,
read five books a year. That's
wht, you know, that's it. nd,
ah, ah. for the first time I mean,
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popular culture because that's
the medium in which we want to
swim. We're not writing fir
graduate students....
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for left wing newspapers, you know,
we're not writing for people
that are already converted. We're
writing Ior, ah, seven, eight year
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ah, ah....you know.
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read, eh, you know, you're going
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live off a lot of, ah, things
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On May 8, 1971, Hoffma appeared on the Chicagotelevision conversation progra "Kup's Show", mod rated by
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are expecting a child soon, they a e not formally married.
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with the administ ation of Lynd B. Johnson, as Press Sec-
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~' D. C. he mas critical of the series of intimidating actions
used to oppose the demonstrations; the 12,000 illegal
arrests; the interference with the rock concert over the
weekend there Just prior to the demonstrations. He stated
--_ _ he would not really be tried for what occurred, since he
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tions. He was charged with assault, however, this is the
usual charge, standard procedure, when one is clubbed bya coy He advised he was confident he would be acquitted
of t at charge. He agreed that the defendants in the recent
so-called Conspiracy 7 trial were doing well, describing the
trial as highly political in nature, and the law as one which
was inhibitive of free speech.
In subsequent exchanges of conversation Hoffman
denied being a "leader" of any of the actions in Washington.
He verbally attacked Reedy's former Job with the Johnson ad-
ministration as one which had been to lie and cover up for
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'open about their power concepts, as opposed to backroom
politics.
He had noted when "running through the streets"
that Washington had not been like Chicago, that even the
"hard hats" in Washington had been giving the peace sign.
He felt it was not proper, referring the world position
of the United States, for a country with one-sixteenth of
the world's population to control one-half of the world's
resources as we do. He noted that we own half of Canada,
and attacked as illusions the views of Olinsky that effective
changes can be wrought by working within the system. He
accused Olinsky of being a tame system radical, a safety
valve maintained by the system to show a semblance of per-
missivenoss. He noted he hated to see Olinsky attack them
himself and Anita! and side with LBJs press secretary.
when directly questioned by Reedy if he was a revolutionary
he replied he was a Young Republican. He was questioned
as to his finances, and noted he had given $25,000, earned
from book royalties for a Bla k Panther Party BPP! members
bond, and the individual had promptly "split". He made brief
reference to his support for radio station WPAX, described
as a source of radical and ltural news, however, the subject
matter then changed. .
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Near the conclusion of the program he advised,
in response to questioning, that "our" his culture's!
liberation demands what was formerly unrealistic. His
world is a world of plenty, a global village, where
important matters are not those of materialism, but the
freedom from the structures of the past. 01insky's world
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what he would envision as a society to replace the present,
he replied he could envision a world without the United States,
that like astronouts "we" knew where we were going, a
reference to an Olinsky comment to the effect that in
order to bring about change one had to start somewhere
and have a purpose. He mentioned that, laughing, one of
the places he was going was to Washington, D. C. on July
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Calitorrin. to organize black people so they can take control
of the life, politics, and the destiny of the black community.
It was crganivud by BQBBY G. SLALL, BPP Chairman, and HUEY P.
NLWTUK, Minister oI Defense, HPP,
The official newspaper, called "The Black Panther,"
regularl: states that the BPP advocates the use of guns and
guerrilla tactics in its revolutionary program to end oppressio
of the black people. Residents of the black community are
urged to arm themselves against the police who are consistently
referred to as "pigs" who should he killed.
The newspaper, in its issue of September 7, 1968,
had an a ticle by the then Minister of Lducation, GLORGL MURRAY
This art cle ended with the lollowingz
"Black men. Black people, colored persons
of America, revolt everywhere! Arm yourselves.
The only culture worth keeping is revolutionary
culture. Change. Freedom everywhere.
Dynamitef Black power. ike the gun. Kill
the pigs everywhere."
The BPP newspaper, issue of October 5, 1968, had an
article introduced with the telloeing statement: we will
not dissent from American government. We will overthrow it."
DAVID HILLIARD, Chief of Stuff, BPP, in a speech
at the San FfaHCi5CO Polo Field on November 15, 1969, Said
"We will kill RICHARD NIXON."
DAVID HILLIARD, in the "New York Times," issue of
December 13, 1969, was quoted as follows: "We advocate the very
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"The only way to make this racist U,S,
Government administer Justice to the
people it is oppressing, is...by taking
up arms against this government, killing
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thereby passing revolutionary judgment
against the number one enemy of all mankind,
the racist U.S. Government.
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APPEARED BEFORE JUDGE J. LEWIS SMITH, UNITED STATES DISTRICT
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Coalition for Peace mo Justice. Hoiiman is charged with Antiriot
violations in connection with the same disruptions. - . . '
Instructions mentioned above request that we avoid overbearing
defendants in Federai erirninai eases as weii as conversations invoivmg
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based on his travel from Oklahoma to Washington, D. C. , to participate
in the disruptions which occurred dtwing the recent ivlay Day denlonsu-ai.iuns.R1I92|m n
Joseph Tate, Departmental Attorney assigned to the
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Smith in Washington, D. C., today. Hoffman entered a plea of not guilty ZQ and eontiaues to be free under $26, G-3'6 bond. Judge Smith advised @
Hoffman's attorneys he would give them 30 days in which to file motions, -
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She stated that she has been employed with American for the
past 15 months'. She recalled that on April 29, 1971, she
worked Flight Number 368, which originates in Oklahoma City
and terminates in Philadelphia with stops in Tulsa, Nashville,
and Washington, D.C. She said that an individual known to
her as ABBIE HOFF.£J92.N" boarded the plane in sa a dterminated his flight at Washington, D.C. Esaid that
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she recalls HOFFMAN sittin in Section himself
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Volume 7, Number 258, which is published in Oklahoma City.
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was sitting at the rear of the plane. The reason she obtained
the paper was because on the front page was a photograph of
ABBIE HOFFMAN.
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ABBIE HOFFMAN boarded at Oklahoma City and terminated his
flight in Washington, D.C. She said that she-believes HOFFMAN
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said that she recognized HOFFMAN from pictures she had seen
in the news media and she said also that she has read books
written by HOFFMAN. She added that HOFFMAN traveled in the
coach section and that he was apparently a good passenger.
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Abbey Bule 100-451298
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Internal Security Division
¬f®%.~irector, FBI %;,-ue" I _ ML LongF. - R34/'7 Q-~ / q ] .R- 12:. D. BrennanELECTRONIC svnvzxnnnncn ° e t r°" h f°" review!_1m=-om~m'r1on nsounsw; ' L -1-asswe -l --» ABT3G'T"T nownnn nonrnnn R-Q-m 15'5" . , . om» -Declasswfy on. -~
Reference is made to your memorandum dated 7-/ F5,
June 4, 1971, captioned Abbott Hoffman, aka Abbie HoffmanElectronic Surveillance requesting certain information and
documents.
On the basis of identifiable information, a review
of our records indicates that information was previously
furnished to the Eepartnent concerning Hoffnan by our
memorandum dated August 26, 1969, captioned Electronic
Surveillance Information Request; David Tyre Dellinger
and others." .Included in this memorandum were logs dis-
Ql,/closing conversations of Hoffman as well as communications
which set forth information disclosed.
In order to bring this matter to a current basis
and in accordance with your request, a review of our
races-Re ininab I: fhnf I92 ll-...e .............-e.. ........ ..n ovember 29, 1979, and Eovember 27,
1970, an individual who appears to be identical with Abbott
Howard Hoffman participated in conversations which were
monitored through a telephone surveillance at 2915 Ludlow
Road, Cleveland, Qhio. This surveillance is identified bysymbol number? Enclosed logs pertaining to this
conversation are ent fied by telephone number 752-8944.
This surveillance was authorized by the Attorney General on
October 27, 1970. It-was installed on November 6, 1970 andwas discontinued--on_..1anuarv 31, 1971. This informatiornwas / /-
not disseminat . LMHED3 V714
gin-' '_ bl, an individual who may be identicalto Abbott 'd' o fmqg, par icipated in a conversation which. I
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was monitored tnr" o'u"'*gnf.e-kqanone inrv-eillance at F18 Stow
, fjsymbol qmber . Enclosed log pertaining to this
"= H -conversation d i ' t in _ s ent fied by tjlephone umber 673-3708. ,. 92 -:3: v . . , 1 ,1 92~" ssc ' ' '1,:§§Z§1.é__@""9., W . ,, . 7J2: is-1
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Assistant Attorney General
Internal Security Division
The surveillance was authorized by the Attorney General on
February 5, 1971. It was installed on February 18, 1971,
and was discontinued on June 3, 1971. This information was
disseminated.
On July 9, 1969, an individual who may be identical
to Abbott Howard Hoffman participated in a conversation which
was monitored through a telephone surveillance at the National
Headquarters of the Black Panther Party, Berkele iaThis surveillance is identified by symbol number
The surveillance was authorized by the Attorney Genera on
February 6, 1969. It was installed on February 26, 1969,
and it has been in operation since that time.
Attached is a list of four documents containing
information concerning Hoffman including the dissemination
made, if any, of the information contained in the documents.
The documents are enclosed. Also enclosed are copies of the
logs disclosing the conversations of these individuals.
No electronic surveillance has been conducted on any
premises in which Hoffman is known to have a proprietary
interest. Information previously furnished to the Department
regarding Hoffman is not being duplicated in this letter.
It is suggested that you check with other Government
agencies with respect to their authorization of electronic
devices in connection with the above individual if you have
not already done so.
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NOTE: Department's memo of 6/4/71 requested electronic
surveillance information check regarding subject
Hoffman charged with antiriot violations in connection with
recent May Day demonstrations in Washington, D. C.
Hoffman's prior antiriot conviction and contempt
citations in connection with the Chicago 7" case are still
under appeal.
We previously conducted a similar check at the request
of the Department and transmitted the necessary information
to them by our memorandum of August 26, 1969. Their current
request is to update any information obtained through subsequent
electronic coverage of Hoffman and we are sending them our
results of our present check along with pertinent documents.
Classified secret since it contains information from
documents so classified. Data is this memorandum contains
results of electronic surveillance of Students for a Democratic
Society and Black Panther Party.
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l. Report of Special Agent , dated 9/25/69,
it New York, ew Ycrk, captioned ibDOft Howard Hoffman,
Security Matter Anarchist. Disseminated to: Secret
Service, New York City, on 9/25/69; United States Attorney,
Chicago, Illinois, on 9/30/69; Department of the Army,
Secret Service, Internal Revenue Service, and Department
J s ce at P C., on 10/1/69. rveillancesan¢ i-éentiziee asiand-respecti y. ument contains in ormation previouslyurn shed to the Department and restated in this report.,¥<1k!
2. Cleveland airtel to Director, FBI, dated 6/14/71, captioned
"Yippie Ccmmune at 718 Stow, Kent, Ohio; IS MISC. No
dissemination made to outside agencies.
3. Memorandum dated 4/29/71, at Cleveland, Ohio, captioned
"Possible Strike and Attempt to Close Down Kent State University
KSU!, Kent, Ohio, on May 3-5, 1971. Disseminated to:
United States Attorney, Cleveland, Ohio; Secret Service,
Cleveland, chic: and epafteif of the Army, Air Force,
and Navy. Cleveland, Ohio, on 4/29/71; the Departments
of the Army, Air Force, and Navy, Secret Service and Departmentof Justice on 5i4i71i at Washinuton, D. C. Surveillance
4. Report of Special Agent dated 5/25/71,
at Cleveland, Ohio, captioned "Youth Internat ona Party, aka
Yippies; IS - MISC. Disseminated to: Secret Service, Cleveland
Ohio; Department cf the Army, Cleveland, Ohio, cn 5/25/71: Secret
Service and the Department oi Justice at Washin ton D. C., on6/4/"~ i
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NOTE: Enclosure to letter to Assistant Attorney General, Internal
Security Division, dated July 2, 1971, captioned
"Electr nic Surveillance Information Request: Abbott Howard Hoffman
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