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&#39; WILLIAM{§hRL, VIVIAN¥é;ASSMAN and " 7&#39;e  5°
ALFRED and LOUISE SARANT, in the hendliq;
and use of the 65 Morton Street apartment,
including reinterviews-of DAVIDYGRELMGLASS, ,3 Ainformation furnished by nossusne . ff;;ir i~
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conspiratorial apartment; and the "H
identification of MAXWELL FINESTONE and %
GARYPICKARD as furniture movers #3 and #1
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l9h9 to January, 1950! on a gratis basis.
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and personally identified WELDONPBRUCE.
DAYTON as individuals who contacted -Fe
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knowing FINESTONE. Again denies having
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h/17 and 6/13.19/51. Investigation .
to locate ALFRED SARANT negative. LOUISE
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A . BETWEEN ALFRED SARANT AND JULIUS ROSENBERGIIOIO
II. PROBABLE IDENTIFICATION OF MAXWELL FINESTONE
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&#39; ALFRED SARANT BELIEVED IDENTICAL WITH DRSA
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3; Initial Interviews of Gary Pickard.......
h. Interviews of Mr.and Mrs. Floyd Elwyn,Jr.
f G. IDENTIFICATION OF GARY PICKARD AS UNKNOWN
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Ithaca, New York to see ALFRED SARRNT, ROSENBERG  ~
l» advised the informant that a man, who is being
identified as X, drove ROSENBERG to Ithaca, New York in
l9h9Orl950black convertible Buick owned by an 
individual who will be referred to as Y, The informant
A stated that JULIUS ROSENBERG cannot drive a car and ,
thus necessitated the need for an individual to drive &#39;
him to Ithacaa The informant stated that.ROSENBERG -
indicated to him that "PUSS" and the man referred toA as X, went into another room or into another part of R
the SARANT home while ROSENBERG and SARLNT talked, -
, ROSENBERG said that they were at the SARANT
only a few hours and then he and X returned
York City. X5 according to the information
.by.RSENBERG to the informant, "drove like
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discussing SARANT&#39;S flight to Europe with ROSENBERG _,~
he had learned that SARANT left "PUSS".and their &#39;
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say anything against her husband which would harm
him; that she does not know her husband&#39;s whereabouts;
that she had been very active politically and that her
father is an attorney in Ithaca, New York.
The informant further advised that ROSENBERG
indicated to him that SARANT had two contacts which
~ would have supplied him with information, namely
 HANS! BETHE and. PHILIP! MORRISON, both of Cornell
University. ROSENBERG had indicated that these two
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pertaining to the dates of the above two described
contacts that ROSENBERG had with ALFRED SARANT at ,.
Ithaca, New York. The informant stated that he
did not recall ROSENBERG having furnished either of
these dates. However, it would be his observation ~  
that ROSENBERG&#39;S trip to Ithaca via train from f
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subsequent to the completion of SARANT&#39;S Ithaca, = _~
" New York residence and that the second trip which  " "j¢.&#39;
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taken place subsequent to the purchase of this ~. ¢
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conducted by agents of the Albany Office  July 19-25, t
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and his family lived with the WELDON BRUCE DAYTONS,
Cayuga Heights Road, RD #1, Ithaca, New York. During
_this period, he stated that he was working on the ~
A construction of his house, located next door. SARANT
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dates of his interview he resided in the previously _
referred to house located on Cayuga Heights Road,
Ithaca, New York. _ &#39;
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Information pertaining to this identification will
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NEINSTEIN purchased a new l9h9 Buick convertible l_
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of New York City. WEINSTEIN at that time was a student
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second contact between ROSENBERG an SARANT would 
have by necessity taken place subsequent to the
purchase of this automobile on May lh, l9h9.  
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to mean recruited into JULIUS ROSENBERG&#39;S Soviet &#39;
espionage organization, is the man described as X,
who lives with the son of a wealthy family described _
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top, either a l9h9 or 1950 model. Y studied law -
though he does not practice it and Y is a personalfriend of 0. Jonsyhoces. Y had considerable ideological tr
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and make a "pick-up" of espionage material.
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for certain but considering all the circumstances
he believes that the Russians sent X to contact
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an Abraham Lincoln Brigade member;
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commenting on X&#39;s "great promise" stated that he
showed considerable adaptability in performing duties
assigned to him in his  ROSENBERG&#39;S! "organization".
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fourth of July weekend in possibly l9h9  believed to
be July urn weekend 19u6!, WILLIAM PERL.brought to
ROSENBERG&#39;S home secret material from Columbia
University. ROSENBERG sent out of town for an
individual with a Loica camera and together with
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Concerning the identities of the unknown man &#39;  . I
- described as X, who lives with the son of a wealthy family,_i _
described as Y, the following observations are being made. ,,;,3,,
Instead of describing each man as X and Y, the names of _", Q
TAXTELL FINESTOPE and JAKES VEINSTEIN,_rcspectively, aroidi-V f
, being substituted. _ 3 - ; if
have reflected that JOSEPH JEINSTEIN, who is the father of &#39;,
JAUES TEINSTEIN, is president of Vcrsalles Garmct Corpora-
tion, h70 Seventh Avenue, New York City, a ladies garment h,&#39; C
manufacturing concern. - _. ._,* ~fq, _¢y. ._ ...._ - ~ ..,.-,-. &#39; . . ~ _1 . ,,
&#39; JAMES WEINSTEIN in interview by SA HERMAN C. "W? so
LITTLEJOHN, JR. and the writer on August 21, 1950, produced f
a New York Bureau of Motor Vehicle Registration dated ; n J
January 19, 1050 for a l9h9 Buick-Convertible. A chock 1; .5
of the Bureau of motor Vehicle Registration records at .f , ;
New York City has reflected that JAHES REINSTEIN, who "&#39; -
icurrently resides at hi8 East Ninth Street, New York City,
- purchased a new l9h9 Buick Convertible from the Ciidden -
Buick Corporation of How York City on Kay lh, l9h9. U __I
Records of Columbia University at New York City v
have reflected that JANES TEINSTEIN entered Columbia Law, 4 ;
School in September l9h9 and attended first year classes _&#39;
but did not take final examinations in Ray 1950. Ho »
registered for second year, but being absent from exami--
,nations had given him a mark of failure, which without ,
other grades under the average rule, disqualified him, and
made it necessary for him to petition in order to enter
second year claaees, which he has not done. "
, _ _, CARY PICKAHD, who resided with JAMES JEINSTEIN » 1
nna.rixEInEsToNE at their apartment at A18 East Ninth
Street, Row York City during February l950 has advisedthat MAX FINESTONE borrowed JEINSTEIN&#39;S 19h9 Buick
- Convertible to move PICKaRQ&#39;S clothing from 65 Horton
Street, New York City, on or about January 29, 1950 to A,
the East Ninth Street apartment. PICKARD has advised ,
that xEINSTEIN would loan FINESTONE his 19L9 Buick »
Convertible upon request. It is noted that the complete
interviews with GARY PICKARD are being set forth later in .this report. &#39; -  » &#39; - " » we L- ~ ,
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* 1950 and lived for most of 1950 at that location. "I 1. ~ -
O. JOHN ROG?E, advised SA JOHN A. HARRINGTON on »
June 21, 1951 that he is personally n ;uainted with both ; . JAMES dEINSTEIN and his father JOSEPH§%EIN5TEIN. ROGGE -
states that JOSEPH wsrusrnzn is a wealthy clothing m&nu- ,
facturer in New York City and that he has represented him
on occasions in the pust. ROGGE advised that JOSEPH , &#39;
JEINSTEIN had told him that his son JAKES had rebelled
&#39; against his wishes and had moved out of their apartment
&#39;1l Central Park Jest, New York City! and has taken an
. apartment on the lower east side of New York City  hi8
East Ninth Street, New York City!. JOSEPH UEINSTEIN .
related to ROGGE that his son JAMES was a stubborn and &#39;" #,
headstrong boy who had upset him over his associates whom ..
the father believed to be too "radical". ROGGE states that 
. he talked to JAMES MEINSTEIN pertaining to this and other ;+
matters and tried to convince him to continue his law
studies and had recommended that he could study with his I
 ROGGE&#39;S! son, who is also a law student. O -_-
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Based on the above information, it is believed
that YAXYELL FINESTONE is identical with X and that JAMES
ZEINSTEIN is idenical nith Y. » _ =< .. »&#39; . " C ".
- rnx FTNESTONE has testified before the Federal &#39;
Grand Jury for the Southern District of New York on_April &#39;
16, 17, June 22, 26 and 29, 1951.  &#39; "
~ JANES EINSTEIN testified on April 17, June 18 _and 27, 1951. &#39; <
Confidential Informant T1, mentioned previously,
&#39; has advised that UILLIAH PERL according to information
received from JULIU3,ROSENBERG, was also a member of _
ROSENBERG&#39;S "organization".-
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furnishing information pertaining to ALFRED SKRANT, stated *&#39;
that 9AR3NT&#39;S father is a wealthy man and that SARANT had &#39; &#39;<yf%&#39;
n contact in Cornell University who ROSENBERG once re- ,_&#39;1q &#39;g;
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the college! namely Professors BETA  Phonetic! and MORRIS =
or MORRISON. In die rs E is above information with "
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Cornell University. Based on this information it is _ "*j Rig-V helieved that ROSENBERG was referring to Doctors HANS. O j-f, fALBRECHQQYEDTHE and PHILIP HORRISON, both Professors of "  A ,,Physics at Cornell Lniversity. , , . ®! °!  * 92< , ,. 2,
< . On July 2, 1951 DAVID GREENGLASS, a confessed  -..
Soviet espionage agent, who is now serving u fifteen year "
sentence for conspiracy to commit espionage against the ~
United States, advised SA JOHN A. HARRINGTON and the qriterI
that he furnished the name of Dr. HANS BETHE, among others,
to HARRY GOLD on June h, l9h5 es a possible Soviet espionagerecruit. He stlted that YILLIAEXSPINGELL had advised him ~
that BETHE was a Communist. DAVID GREENGLASS Stated that
he never met BETHE who was then  l9h5! co nected with the
Atomic Energy Project at Los Alumos, New Yexico as was - - &#39;
GREENGLASS. ~. - -
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to furnish the names of prospective recruits to his contact; =j"however, under no circumstancfs was he to&#39;foll0w up by 
contacting the individuals. tie states that ho never spoke&#39; to JULIUS ROSENBERG or HKRRYXGOLD again about BETHE and
does not know nhcther B?{HE was actually recruited to do &#39;
espionage work. GREENGLASS stated that his instructions 
were received from his wife, RUTHOREEH"LASS, a confessed t
-Soviet espionage igent, who in turn had received the in-
. structions from JULIUS ROSENBERG. It is noted that GOLD ~
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&#39; 4 It is noted that HARRY GOLD is a self-confessed
former nussian espionage agent who pleaded guilty to con-
is currently serving a thirty year prison sentence. 7 Y
ALFRED SARAH? has advised that he first met
- szrns at Ithaca, New York in July 19h6 when he was intro-
&#39;duced to B£THE by his father-in-law, VICTOR K. 0. ROSS,
an attorney in Ithaca, New York. it that time SAHANT &#39;
» requested BETHE to sponsor his entrance to Cornell Uni-
versity. BETHE consented to_do this and in September l9h6
- SARANT moved to Ithaca from New York City. y ;
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Located in a permissive search of SARAHT&#39;S »
Ithaca, New York residence on July 19 and 20, 1950 waa_
a baby book which revealed that in December 19h6 BETHE *
. and his wife save a silver gift of value to S5RANT&#39;S new _
born baby. "SAR4HT stated that he and his wife had main-
tained social aequaintanceship with the BETHES since -*
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&#39; also located in the permissive search of SURAHT&#39;
residence was a letter dated September 21, l9h6:addressed_
to "Dear Puss and Al", which included the following: &#39;"..,I heard and saw Bethe at the Phys. Soc.meetin§. He&#39;s
hot stuff all right." This letter was signed &#39;Bi1l".
SAKANT has advised that this letter was from
JILLIAH PERL. . - . -. i &#39;
It is also noted that on June h, l9h6, on the
letterhead of the Boll Tole hone Laboratories Incorporated,Q65 ,est Street, New York l, New York, SARANT notified
-his local draft board that he had been nnrricd on July 6,
l9h5, that he was presently employed by the Bell Telephone
_ Company at 130 Varick Street, doing ultra-high frequency
~&#39; research and development, and that he.expeeted shortly to.
receive a research rellowship to the eminent atomic physi-
cist Dr. HANS BETHE of Cornell University Graduate School.
&#39;He indicated his work would commence in the coming fall..&#39;
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of SARANT&#39;S residence, a sheet of paper beginning "L A.
 Magnets whole strength fr.!"
SARANT stated that Professor HANS EETHE gave
him several problems to do at home and he recommended _
several books to him to study. He was not sure that
this was one of the problems that BETHB gave him to study.
Dr. VELDON BRUCE DAYTON was interviewed by SA
RICHARD T, HRADSKY, and the writer, in room 425, United States
Court House Building, Foley Square, New York City on June_l8, 19,
20, l95land by the writer on June 21, 1951.
 In discussing Dr. HANS BETHE, who is Professor
of Physics at Cornell University, DAYTON stated that
ALFRED SARAHT knew HANS and ROSE BETH casually. The
BETHES, according to DAYTON, have been personal friends
of&#39;1w. and Hrs. VICTOR ROSS, stepfather and mother, re
spectively, of LOUISE SARANT, for a number of years. Dr.
DAYTON stated that LOUISE SAHANT possibly knew Dr. Bethe
through her stepfather inasmuch as BETHE came to Cornell
University in approximately 1935 or 1936.
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DAYTON stated that he first met Dr. HANS UETHE
at Cornell in the Physics Department, having taken courses
under him. He indicated that he knew Ur. BETPE only as
a teacher and the only social relationship that he had was
to have attended receptions at the BETHE home on White
Park Road, Ithaca, New York. - . f .
Dr. DAYTON stated that his wife, CAROL, became 
acquainted with Dr, PETUE&#39;S wife, BOSE, through the nursery
school which his wife  CAROL! had taught at. He stated .
that the name of this nursery school was Fornell Nursery ,
School, :;=--.
During the permissive search of ALFRED SAhANT&#39;S
residence, there was located a receipt made out in the
name of PHILIP MDhRISON, number 1229, issued by the
ROBINSON Airlines Corporation and dated March 7, 1949,
for passage from Ithaca, New York to New York City. When
SARANT was questioned concerning this receipt, he offered
no reason for its being in his possession. He stated that
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he knew&#39;?ORRISGH, having mot him during the .3LLiCE
campaign for PF&Sldent, put that he wws not closely con-
Qi nectod Jith him ind that he could not undcrstlnd shy he
should have the receipt.
L Jr. u.&#39;.Y&#39;IOrZ in int;-rvi.c&#39;-i~/s at I"-&#39;i<_:v-.1 York Ci ty from
~ June lo through 21, 1§51 stated thit DP. PHILIP LOKRISON,
who-is an nssocintc Professor of Physics at Cornell Uni- -
vzrity, is a personal Friend. DQYTOH explained that ho
first mot him at tho University of California at Berkeley
and that their associltion&#39;flourishod at Cornell. DAYTON
statcn that IGiRISO was formerly a consultant with the -
gtomic Energy Commission but he believes that he has
rgsigncd this position. UAYTOU stqtod thatthoy had 
visitzd zich othzr in their rtspcctivc homes in Ithaca,
and cxpliinod fnrthnr thit MCRRISON rssides on Lake Road
on ;ho south side _ cw York. Ur. DLYTCN stated i
that 0R?I3O?S _ "T " loaned him 5250., of which
"$0. hie been rt» latter part of September
1950. Tho rtwson oan was due to ?&#39;?TON&#39;S need
for f25O plus, watch &#39;cersmry to pay maling bill tfrom Ithzcn to Jnwii nos, Benton. " " &#39;
TMYTON st tad thit .LFK¬D and LOUIE? SARl?T knew
the FORRISOUH socially, having been introduced by himself
and his wife, CAROL, ind mwat he has personal knowledgethnt tho IO B- H? hiv. visited in tho S§RAHT homo in -
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lines Pic ipt- - It stated thlt he know nothing &#39; 92
about this Ultttf An could offor no plausible oxplanition.Q
&#39; . to be noted that in. LnYTCN,~in commenting
- "on JO¢RIQOn, ntaq that he conuluorcs PHILIP NOIEISON to
bt one 0. - closest personal friends. . &#39;
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,/ .chcumstmmiulmanncr that an ossi?n1gc conspiracy existed ~,_
b¢tJe;n JULIUS AOSEHBYRG, JOEI~5;RR, UILLIQK PERL, VIVIAN
GLA§SMU an@ sgsszs and-LOUIS_3ARANT, in the handling and.
use of the 65 Kovton Strcct apartment.1
s.ss1 ogjnqpipns .iN
_ QVID QR3;UGL;33 was lntgrviowcd at the City
Prison, cw York City on Juno Z0, 1951 by Ss JOHN A.
;H¢?RIETGF,1IlLILN F. EORTON and the nritar. On July 2,
1951, GREEHGLJSS wnstgnin inttrvicwcd in Room has, United
.QtAbOS Court Eons; Building, Folsy Square, New York City
» by SA JOHN 4. HJHWIUGTON and the writer. GREENGLLSS ad-
viszd of tho follolng ¢uring the course those twointérvicwsg &#39; &#39; &#39;
u utitud thit during the Christmas Holiday period _
of il ho Jest to sis ICLIUS ROSEHHKRG, his brothcfkin-Iswf
 itt Lzxchin-2 .3:-0 ct:-3 COmp;;nj,&#39;, 50&#39;] East Jouston
Street, Haw York City, thy purposo of discussing his
A status in this busin._:;.:&#39;.. ..L.VI.1! G.I&#39;{&#39;3£l}3&#39;RL..Z35 oxpl-a.incd that &#39; _
he had 3 stock cortiiicato {or 25 of the 100 outstanding
shsrgs in this DU3iRwSS and desired to soil his shuros to
RGSENBERG. On this occssion ROSENBERG cxplainod to "
GRZ3UGL;33 in 1h» of ice of the Pitt lichinc Products
Company during u proliminury discussion pertaining to the
business, that ht was attempting to horpow ;5,000. from
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and that he desired to diSpOS0 of it. This trip was to
be icconelish d viz shin trnvclline from tn; Port of New . 1. C
York to 3 French port. He W35 tol thxt money would be
prcvidcd for the trip and thxt in Paris ht would make con-
tact with SOmu0nc clsc in thcir "espionage rxng". AA
GREENGLAYS advised that he questioned ROSENBERG
<1s to ah"
explain:to lvuvc the Uni ed St tvs nrd TULIUS "l.w.S , . t .. 1»
hdt "somcthing is happening which will cause
you to lcmvc the United SL1tcc". 305318336 ntxted that
- Hc would have to ;tt Pin of the-other lpartment. JAVID
said he askcd JULIUS, "uo.you mccn the Twclfth Street
 and Lvcnue B! upurtmcnt?" JELIUS said, "N0, I mcnn the"
Greenwich Villn5e lplrtmcntl" ROSENBERG indicated to
DnVID that he had already disposed of the Twelfth Street
apartment.
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Juno ll, that
Holiday period of
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York City to th
be vncuts
PICKQRD s
liying in
l§5O thisto be noted that Gghyvplgydgp, who has
Y been pvcviously mentioned in this_rcp0rt, 4nu who will be
dellt with at coasldarahlc lcnth lnt,r in this vcnort,
had advised SA RIC£.BD T. HR1n$KY and the writer durin
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lfq9 that he had received information
.0? Apartment 61 at c5 "crten $treet, New
¢?iect that thls gpnvtmcnt would have to
¢r, there was no immediate urgency.
tatnu that he and FINEBTONT wqro at that time
this APXPFHQHB and that on&#39;0f xhout January 29,
upavtmcnt was vacated. ~
ROSEYBTHG inicntld to DQVIU GR§ENGL;3S that he
. did not hlVO t0.mnrry, that he should
tif1C;tu for 25 shares, have it notavi
it to him. Jn?IQ JUVIS d that h:&#39;p
rcques
purlthat it w1s_in his s;C0 dngosit box.
st1ted KDJC ht left 3GCY"BLRG having agreed to the above _
nu told his uic only mbout the stock certificate
. his diucuzslnu Jith_05EBoRG. He did not thenis stock bor-
d than bring
ut him 01? by stating
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tell her thdt they Haul; hlv, Lg 1¢1v; but country. She
4 .; and Jllt untll
shurcs before 5agreed that he nhoulu lQW Lhu czrtlfic to, hJVO it notarized,
&#39; *lIt$ AOS»yB HG Quin than for their 25
ng up the stock ccrtificltc. l -
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<% York City, telephone number CA 6-5555, on December 51, _ h, ¢;w
_ l9h9. He stated that during this party he thought aboutI.¢*  ghqwhat JULIUS ROSENBERG had said about going away and " &#39; iii-.2-; ,
definitely recalls reminiscing about his friends who were-,~ s"y
present and thought that this would be the last New Year&#39;s  Eof J3CESCHLEIDER, who resides at 5h Forsyth Street, New *» *
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He stated that shortly after the first of II
January, 1950, he signed th stock certificate and had 4, &#39;his druggist r. BEHJ$KIN P¬*?EI$AN notarize the certi- i
ficate. ~ ~
On Y July 2, 1951, Assistant United States ._ 
nttorney JOHN 2. °OLEY, Southern Iustrict of New York, » 
allowed the writer to review GR2ENGLiSS&#39; stock certificate -&#39;,
which was entered as Defense Exhibit C-1 in the ROSENBERG, ,~ &#39;
. et al espionage trial, United States District Court, Southern ~ V
i Estrict of New York on Karch 22, 1951. On the certificate¢ "
is inscribed: i
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"For value received, I hereby sell, assign Q
and transfer unto JULIUS ROSENBERG 25 shares or &#39; Y
the capital stock represented by the within cer-,
tificate, and do hereby irrevocably constitute _
and appoint _ attorney,_to transfer ~
the said stoc on The Socks of the within named
corporation  Pitt Machine Products Company! with
full power of substitution in the business.n
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GREENGLASS stated that this certificate was
surrendered to ROSENBERG on or about May l, 1950. It is
noted that this certificate is marked "Cancelled May 1,
1950". Photostatic copies of this certificate have been
made and are being retained as exhibits in instant. =
investigation.. _ _ ~ - &#39;»;I9.
DAVID GREENGLASS states that a special agent of
the FBI  LAWRENCE V. SPILLAINE! called him at his home _
65 Rivington Street, New York City! during the morning :
of January 2T, 1950, at which time he arranged an appoint-
ment to see GRBENGLKCS at 2 p.m. that afternoon. DAVID
states that after the special agent called, he went to
see ROSENBERG at the Pitt Fachine&#39;Products Company. He
advised JULIUS o his call and appointment. ROSENBERG  ~
told him to find out what the agent wanted and to get in
touch with him later and advise him of the FBI&#39;S interest.
. GREENGLkSS stated that the special agent inter-
viewed him at his home, 265 Hivington Street, New York ~ "
City, at 2 p.m. as scheduled. He learned that the agent&#39;s
inquiry was of a routine nature regarding some uranium &#39;
that had been stolen from the Atomic Energy Project at T
Les Alamos, New Mexico. He stated that he went to work
after the interview  nrma Lachine Company, Brooklyn, New
York, A to 12 shift!. at indicated that this interview
must have taken place on a Friday  verified through 1950&#39;
calendar!, for the-following day was Saturday and was the
Jewish Sabbath. He explained that the Pitt Machine
Products Company was not open on Saturday due to the fact
that in part of the Pitt Kaqhine Products Company building
there is located a Jewish Synagogue. GREENGLASS stated
that on Sunday morning January 29, 1950 he again contacted
ROSEFBERG at the Pitt Lachine Products Company and advised
him of the agent&#39;s interest. ROSENBERG told him that &#39;
there_was nothing for him to worry about..  1
SA tivasaca 1. 3PILLAINE advised the writer on
July 2, 1951 that he contacted auvro GREENGLASS at 265
Rivington Street, ew York City as alleged at 2 p.m. on-~ &#39;
January 27, 1950, after having telephoned him that morning
to arrange an appoinunent. Si Li QENCE Mt SPILLAINE ex-
lained that this interview was concluded.after approximately to 60 minutes duration. ~ A &#39;_&#39;
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arrest or or. PILAUS/§&#39;UCIiS  February Li, 1950! in England,-1?g.;&#39; JULIUS sosmmzszc immedis tely came to his home. mvxo -
- stated that he and JULIUS took a walk at which time _
nossuetznc told mvro, "This guy Fuchs is the man who was .after tho 3
you will have to leave". JULIUS further advised that ~
FUCHS had been contacted by the British Police prior to 5 
GREENGLASS&#39; contact with ROSENBERG during the Christmas&#39;v92 .Holidays of 1915» and that he  FUCHS! is the reason why ~
ILVID will have to leave the United States. DAVID sug-p;:
gucsted that JULIUS get hold of "DAVE"  GOLD! and have ,him lay low for a while~Q0§ULIU%7ROSENBERG countered by Fexplaining that ETHRL5 hiJ&#39;w£?? <h1d said the same thing. »1 v. 92ROSENBERG also advised that this time the "Russians tried ~ 1
that when one mansuch as FUCHS is contacted, then they .r r ¢
try to anticipate who the FBI will be contacting in six &#39; A -»
that man first; In this case JULIUS .
ROSENBERG thought that "DAVE"  GOLD! and GREENGLASS "
would be next. . ~ &#39; r
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mentioned previous y, "i .sed that JULIUS ROSENBERG
"mentioned an apartment rented by a student ostensibly
used for studying on Morton Street, where he  ROSENBERG! 
JOEL BLRR and &#39;Bil1&#39; used to meet in secret and discuss  -their pl1nS. Rent for this apartment was $55. per [email protected]}
 On this informant advised further .
that from,the u ma; on Furnished to the informant by =
ROSENBERG, the student mentioned above is n fourth individual . and that this individual was not 51W-&#39;.lI"O of the nature of Quxo! ,
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o student to have a place to study, however, the real reason,
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- received from ROSEHDBRG, the informant
~ "BILL" is identical with WILLI3M PERL.
- indicated that he had typed on various
, hours in the Norton Street apartment.
tr that in order to alleviate some of the
legs and would let the water run in the bathroem..
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during the late evening hours and perform typing.ROSENBERG further &#39;
»  &#39;It is to he noted that DAVID entzawemss 1h &#39;" "
interview on July 2, 1951, stated that ROSENBERG had con-&#39;--
fidcd that he had an apartment which he would often go tou.1 A 1 .v¥
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putting u rubberized cushion or some type of rubber cap Q
. under the typewriter and would turn on the water in the T~<
bathroom. &#39; , _
Q .5- The 1hr<>rm~.m; stated that ROSENBERG paid the
- rent on this apartment and that the amount of $55.
 probability was the total expenditure for this apartment, _
which included not only rent but utilities as well. It is =
recalled that the EQRLNT apartment on Morten Street rented
for $h5.50 per month, however,gas and electricity and tele-
phone expenses were separate items. Q .
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&#39;  Hrs. WILLIMJ PERL! used the ALFRED SKRANT a artment on-;
~ Horton Street from approximately February 19 7 until "
September l9h7, at which time she obtained her present
apartment which is located at 10h East 58th Street, New&#39;
York City. During the February 19h? to September 19h?
period, HENRIETTA SKVIJGE was attending New York University.
WILLIAF PERL at that time was attending Columbia UniversityIt is further home that nE1zaI1:&#39;1&#39;r1-.>:sz.vInen &#39;  
working toward his doctor&#39;s degree. However, these meetings
would have had by necessity taken place prior to JOEL
BARR&#39;S trip to Europe in January l9h8. BARR has not returne
. to the United States and his current whereabouts are unknown
&#39; DAIVD GREENGLASS has advised that JULIUS ROSENBERG
y " " r P p &#39; 1to Europe was to further uct as a Soviet espionage
_ It is recalled that HRVID GR3ENGLuSS has
, viously advised that JULIUS ROSENBERG mentioned to
approximately July l9h3 that he was paying rent on
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City. ROSENBERG indicated that this apartment was being
used for microfilming, as a "stopover" location for Soviet
espionage contacts and as a meeting place for espionage _¢
contacts. GREENGLASS stated that if he had desired, &#39; _
ROSENBERG would possibly have made availablettn Greenwich&#39;_.51{&#39;5&#39; ,, z,1< J,, t.. .1  :~ 1
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never seen the Greenwich Village apartment or its physical
location, there is no doubt in his mind whatsoever that -
the SARANT apartment on Morton Street is identical with
the apartment JULIUS ROSENBERG was utilizing in connection
with his espionage endeavors. GREENGLASS bases this iden-
tification on a comparison of information furnished to him
pertaining to the Greenwich Village apartment by ROSENBERG
and comparable information furnished to him by the writer.
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D. IDENTIFICATION OF HLXWELL FINESTONE AS
;;l<>f~;Bso NUMBER. &#39;rH1=le- to ._   i .. .1 ,
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viously advised on or about January 29, 1950 that WILLIAM
PERL, UELDON BRUCE DAYTON and two other men moved furnieture from apartment 61 into the basement of this building.{:?&#39;&#39;
_ es. PLO?! EL Iggbié has advised on or about
January 29} I950, she pe sonally observed WILLIAM PERL, .
HELDON BRUCE D;YTON and a.third man -_participate in the-
moving of furniture into the basement of 65 Morton Street.
&#39; - Subsequent investigation narrowed the suspects
for the third mover to one man, namely, MAXHELL FINESTONE,
who is currently residing at 209 Clinton Street, Apartment6C, in New York City. A -
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w~. He advised that ho delivered the route covering liiy
6&#39; Torton Street for the past three or four years. 1- » Qremoved three pieces of brown paper which had eon = -&#39;
g ue together and placed in the inside front of the moi1- <; 1, box for Apartment 61 at 65 Morton Street on ay 1?, 1951; . y
He removed the one which has been designated "Top&#39; which" ~
bore the name mud apartment number "IDNOVAH 61" and the _ .
one designated "Midd1¬&#39;which bore the names and apartment: H »
number "FINESTONE ° *1 OSS OI". The last piece Of  *paper removed by  v-Jhich is designated as "Lower" _ 
borc the names "PERL RANT ROSS S3V1QGE". These names K
may be more eempletly identified as TIOYAS F. DONOVAN,
the current té:n&#39;.1nt of Apc.I&#39;tm.:nt 61, 217.92X".=&#39;ELL FIIIESTONE, . _&#39;.&#39;.&#39;ILLI;~.vt _PF.-TRL, HE1IRIE&#39;I"I3I; §;.v1:x.§:  Mrs. &#39;.vILLI.w. PERL!,  _ p
$LFRED SARANT and LOUISE ROSS&#39;SARANT, all of whom were =
previous tenants of npnrtment 61 during parts of the period  ~ from October 19h} to January 29, 1950. 1 , 5 - agéixé!
1 _ Q indicated that FINESTOI-IE received "min &#39;
in euro 0 up -Du nt 61, 65 Morton Street on several
occasions during, on indefinite period prior to the occupancy
&#39; of the Apartment 61 by Ar. THOMAS E; DONOVAN. However, he
qualified his statement and indicated that FINESTONE&#39;S
&#39; name was the lsét heme added to the names mentioned pre-
viously prior to Mr. DOHOVAH&#39;S tenancy which began on or".ebout January 51, 1950. _ &#39; Qmtaé!
it On bay 26, 1951, the above described pieces of
brown paper were forwarded to the FBI Laboratory for
nppropriuto examination.e
On Juno 20, 1951 the FBI Laboratory advised that ,
the name "FIHESTONE" appeared above the handprinted names
"SLRANT" and "R553" on the piece of brown sealing tape
 bearing the handprinting "SARAWT ROSS 61". The Laboratory
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*  been transferred on this piece of brown sealing tape at - ~mw§ 
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&#39; * &#39;DOHOVAN 61". The Laboratory noted that the brown sealing
| tape bearing the_hendprinting of "SaR4NT ROSS 61" also 2 . %
contains the number and letter "61". . &#39; _ .
 fhe Laboratory also noted that the names "PERL" 
and "SnR;HT" were hnndprintod in pencil on.a piece of A &#39; &#39;
" brown sealing tape bearing the handprinting in pencil
"PERL S;3LNT ROSS eivrpne" which has been partly oblitor¢
atcd with pencil markings. -
_,92,-2"Ws &#39;F"&#39;§*?h  st.1¥"earrier, Village Station,&#39; United Sta ea es . ice, new YQFE City, advised the -
writer on nay 15,&#39;1951 that prior to Christmas 19b9, he
had serviced the postal route covuring the 65 Horton Street,
New York City building for eight to nine "ow" om . _
approximately 19MB unt w~* ow 1 9 in-
dicated that he and 5 . y serv cod &#39;I
65 Norton Street. he e;o i , LU |w& he names of any of V
the individuals who received mail in care of »pertment cI,&#39;&#39; 65 Korton Street. _ p ;-" &#39;" QQQQQQ
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M O lice, neom A ¢, tx-~& o,_t.s Post Offi , §5rd~Street ~
and Eighth gvenue, ow xerk City to remove and retain the 51
brown senlinv tap from the inside of the mailbox for&#39; 7Apartment 6I? 65 iiorton Street.  xv! .&#39; &#39;  &#39;fercman -Villa e Station *- _ s -United Sta es res vi "co, t@- lork cit}, advised the ~&#39;
_ writer on May 15, 1951 that FTNESTONE did not leave a , removal address at th;L.<.»_ post offfico. Qwyp!
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interviewed by the writerl gpgggggi having personally_7
_ identified three of the four movers, namely WILLIAM PERL,
- Dr. WELDON BRUCE DAYTON and MAXWELL FINESTONE, was re-_;" -
 quested to furnish a more complete description owthe &#39;
fourimover. In response to this request,¬§§§§§§T§§furnished the following description: " "* } - 9,.
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5! 9n  approximate! J Q150 lbs.  approximate! 1 
German -
Blond, straight, long, 
parted on side, .
Sallow . &#39;
Face long, oval " _,
Khaki pants - "suntann",*. *
T shirt, and possibly was &#39;
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, - Records of the Psychological Corporation of New
York City have reflected that MAX FINESTONE in applying
for employment on November 30, l9h9, indicated that he
&#39; was then residing in Apartment 61, 65 Morton Street, New
York City, and could be reached in care of TR 7-2563.
Confidential Informant T , of known reliability,
. advised on May 18, 1951 that B@RRIf REID of S Riverside -
-&#39; Drive, is the subscriber to TR 7-2563. .-, .
. _ . Tho current Manhattan address telephone directory /
indicates that this listing first appeared in the December
iqqq directory. ~ i
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former student at Cornell University and is a personal
friend of MAX FINESTONE; that PICKARD formerly resided at-
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and that she recalls that there was some type of business_
relationship between PICKARD and FINESTONE. {"&#39;__ ii&#39; 9292_.,._/
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several occasions and having spoken to FINESTCNE on the
telephone on several occasions pertaining to these in-
coming telephone calls. She recalled having spoken to _
some unknown woman pertaining to these incoming eallsibr -
FINESTONE. She was unable_to recall any details pertaining
. to these calls and stated that although she personally
_ knew GARY PICKARD, she had never met MAX FINESTONE. Miss
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Greenwich Village area of New York City, possibly together,
and that PICKARD was doing some type of "market analyst or
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Greenwich Street, New York City, on one occasion during "33;
the period extending from late January 1950 to August or -
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at 780 Greenwich Street, Miss-BITTER noted that it was- >i
sparsely furnished, mostly by purchases from war surplus i
and discarded furniture from unknown sources. &#39;PICKARD-.-3*,
resided with two men, namely, J. LYLE, also known as DAVID
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dark blond or-light brown hair, attended Cornell University,
has a sister named JOAN FICKARD, and his mother&#39;s name is
REYA or asstccszéicxias, alleged to have an interest in a
~" hardware store in white Plains, New York. Miss BITTER said
and he is divorced. &#39;   5.~ _ 4?IGKARD&#39;S occupation is a radio announcer, Las Vegas, Nevada,&#39; &#39; .n
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formerly resided in Pleasantville, New York, and is ;_ >
alleged to now reside in white Plains, New York. JOAN &#39;9
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York City area. Her current address is-in care of Good-" -
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» in october 1950 when he was home for his sister&#39;s wedding. &#39;
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building located at 780 Greenwich Street, Greenwich ViI- e
4 lags, New York City, advised SA RICHARD T. HRADSKY and M
i the writer on Nay 19, 1951 that J§ LYLE, H.L. GATTY and 1:&#39; L" G¢XPICKARD formerly occupied apartment 3H from some timei _
subsequent to February 17, 1950 until August 1950. Ho&#39;,
stated that their apartment rented for $lhS.0O a month,
was sparsely furnished and recalled that J. LYLE had a
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moved to this address via LYLE&#39;S jeep by H.L. GATTYJ H0 ._
recalls that GATTY and a young man with a Southern accent;
moved furniture out of the apartment in August 1950 and -u
that a sofa and a living room chair aro_current1y storedf &#39;
in this building&#39;s storage room. &#39; 4 .- _J~1
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Hardware Store in White Plains, New York, advised on May _
22, 1951, that her son, GARE PICXARD, is currently employed
as announcer and program arranger for tho Les Vegas Radio
Station, Las Vegas, Nevada. Mrs. PICKARD indicated that &#39;
her sen formerly resided at 780 Greenwich Street, New York
&#39; City, some time subsequent to February, 1940 with JQKK
DAVIQgLYLE and H.L. carry or L.s,/eATTY. She indicated
that from approximately the summer of l9h9 until February
1950, her son, GARY, had a permanent residence at their home
. in Pleasantville, New York. ;; ; _.# &#39;__.
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PICKARD indicated that she was not familiar with the
location of FINESTONE&#39;S previous apartment at 65 Morton_
Street, Greenwich Village, New York City. She stated p
that her son, GARY, had been formerly married to a Miss _
ANN EARLEY who had resided in Chappaqua and Mount Kisco,
New York. &#39; p - y &#39; w _
Mrs. PICKARD further indicated that her son&#39;s 
former roemmamm,LYLE and GATTY,are probably not acquainted
with MAX FINESTONE, however, she did indicate that she had
met FINESTONE on one occasion and thereafter cautioned
her son as to his further association with FINESTONE. ;
It is to be noted that from the description fur-
nished byMf@"FB¢YDiELNYN Jr. and the description of .
GARY PICKARD furnished by M133 CAROL ELIZABETH RITTER,
that PICKARD is possibly identical with the unknown -
mover No. h." I .
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Les Vegas" weekly magazine, Las Vegas, Nevada, advisedi _
he first met MAX FINESTONE while both were students at -
Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, and had frequent
contact with him until approximately the Summer of l9h9.-
PICKARD and his wife separated at this time and he cannot
recall associations with FINESTOHE during the Summer of
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and went to New York City seeking employment. Ho met
FIHESTONE in New York City in the latter part of October,
19h9 and, being short on finances, FINESTONE insisted that
he reside with him in an apartment located at 65 Morton
Street, Greenwich Village, New York City. PICKARD could
"not recall the exact number of the apartment, but stated
it was on the sixth floor. FINESTONE told PICKARD the
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The names and whereabouts of these friends are unknown to
PICKARD. These friends had indicated to FINESTONE that
they might not return to the apartment and they had almost
completely stripped the apartment of furniture. _The -
only furniture in the apartment was a double bed, day bed,
card table, three wooden chairs, and two book cases, all ~
being_broken down and almost worthless. v _&#39;.F1,
In January, 1950, FINESTONE received word ~
through the Superintendent of this apartment building *;
that these friends were releasing the apartment, roquirx&#39;
ing FINESTONE and PICKARD to vacate. At the request of u
the Superintendent and to make way for painters to re- 
decorate this apartment, FINESTONE and PICKARD carried the
above-described furniture down to the basement of the &#39;~
apartment building. PICKARD maintained no one else was ~
present when the furniture was moved. The exact date of 
moving the furniture is unknown, but it is believed to
have been the middle or latter part of January, 1950. - Q
About three weeks after moving from the apartment,
PICKARD returned to the apartment building one day in a ~.
borrowed jeep with FINESTONE and obtained the day bed fromthe basement, which PIC§ARD took to another apartment he
had obtained with DAVIDgLYLE and HAROLD>§ATTY, both gradu-
ates of Cornell University. PICKARD placed this date - tAaround the first part of February, 1950, and maintained
no one else assisted but FINESTONE.
In December, 19b9, while residing with FINESTONE
in the apartment at 65 Morton Street, PICKARD met JAMES
WEINETEIN, a close friend of FINESTONE and a former stu-
dent of Cornell University. HEINSTEIN resided at M18 East
9th Street, New York City, and was attending the School
of Law at Columbia University. when moving from 65 Morton
Street, EINESTONE moved in permanently with WEINSTEIN and
PICKARD moved in temporarily until he could locate some-
thing else. A short time later, PICKARD moved into an_~*
apartment at 780 Greenwich Street, New York City, with _ ,
LYLE and GATTY. PICKARD lived at this address until .
August, 1950, when he went to Las Vegas, Nevada, to obtain. I
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in New York City, exact name and location unknown. FINE-ISTNE&#39;S residence address is unknown to PICKARD, but &#39; 4&#39; 2r ,.-aIFINESTCNE can possibly be located through WEINSTEIN at _- -
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, siding in Lexington, Massachusetts, with his mother and ~f
step-father, Mr, gpd MP3; P.K4LINDSAY., HAROLD GATT! is ,
- &#39; a Private in the U.S. Army, present station unknown.  
. PICKARD&#39;S former wife, AN}FARTEY, has remarried and is &#39;
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The Salt Lake City Office advised on Juno 1, &#39;Q
1951, that numerous photographs were exhibited to GARY
PICKARD and he could not recall having seen any of the .
individuals whose photographs were exhibited with the
exception of MAX FIHESTONE.- It is noted that among the r
photographs exhibited to PICKARD were those of WILLIAM 
PERL and WELDON BRUCE DAYTON. . &#39; ~ 
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th Writer by Mrs. RICHARD WENDT, the former wife of GARY
PICKARD, who was interviewed on Nay 29, 1951. The details A
of this interview will be sot forth in a later section of.&#39;~
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On May 29, 1951, SA EDWARD J _CAHILL and the -writer interviewed Mr. nd Hrs§~FLOYD E§YN, Jr., pertain- ~
ing to information furnished by GnRY PICKARD in his initialinterview,  , A y [ __ Q!
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J r; YRQYD LIHYN, Jr. identified a photograph
of GARY PICKARD, which was furnished to the writer by A
MP8. RICHARD WENDT, as being identical with the fourth
furniture mover who assisted WILLIAM PERL, WELDON BRUCE
DAYTGH and MAX FIHESTONE in moving furniture from Apertnent
6I, 65 Horton Street, New York City, on or about January 29,
1950. to the basement of that building. Mr. ELWYN Stated
that in connection with moving of furniture to the basement,
he recalled that PICKARD was observed on one occasion in
the bQSCmut and_nls0 in the hall of the first floor of
this apartment building. Ho definitely recalled that
PICKARD remained at the head of the steps and handed the
furniture down to mas:-, D."~.YTO3; and FI1-??;!S1f192TE.&#39; ,1;    A
. ELHYW stated that mail came addressed in care ~
of Apartment 61, 65 Morton Street, New York City, for
PICHiRD. H0 recalled this after the writer had refreshed -
his memory by furnishing him the name of GARY PICKARD.
ELWYN related that PICKARD is probably one of the sevenl;
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cal with the unknown man he observed in Apartment 61 dg *_
*-Jhnury 28, 1950, at which time he exhibited this apartment
to Mr. THONiS&#39;DOHOY£F and other members of his family., . _< . . - _ s .-., ».@,.-92__ H &#39; ~1 ._
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&#39;PICKARD with WELDON BRUCE DAYTON as the individual whom he
observed in pajamas in Apartment 6I on or about January 29,_
" In connection with the identification of WELDON
BRUCE DAYTON, ELVYN stated that there is no question in his
mind whatsoever as to his actually having boon present
during the moving of the furniture on or about January 29,
~ 1950. Ho requested that in the event that the opportunity
avails itself, that he be allowed to personally observe,.nnPICKARD. - -  a_i
Mrs. FLOYD ELVYH, Jr. was shown photographs&#39;of
&#39; PICKARD. She stated that she cannot identify him fran
photographs as being onquof the three men she observed
moving furniture into the basement on or about January
~1950. Hrs. srwvw has previously described, identified
photographs of and personal y identified WILLIAM PERL,
WELDON BRUCE DAYTON and MAX ELL FINESTONE as the three
she observed moving furniture into the basement of herGARY
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&#39; husband advised her on the day of the moving that there
were four men performing the moving, however, she did nothave any opportunity to observe the fourth man. 6.
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made for her to personally observe PICKARD, she stated
it is quite possible that she had seen PICKARD in the
hallways of 65 Morton Street on in the neighborhood, how-
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G. IDE?TIFIC$TION OF GARY PICKARD AS THE
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current photographs of GARY PICKARD, which have been fur-_
,nishcd by the Salt Lake City Office again reinterviewed i"~.»q*1~_. and i~Irs.*FLOYD ELWYN, Jr. to __ __._f!&#39; ~n *1»
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is the photograph-of the fourth mover and he believed that" q
this individual is identical with the unknown man who he "~92 . " -
observed in Apartment 61 during the evening of January 28, 17;
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&#39;apartment to Mr. THOMAS DONOVAN and other members of &#39;3 
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photographs of GARY PICKARD and she stated that he is - W
possibly identical with someone she had seen in the hall--
- ways of 65 Morton street or in the immediate neighborhood, M
however, she still contends that this man is not identical ~-.
with one of the movers she observed.  w";;;j
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Street, was shown the most current photograph of GARY ~ &#39;-
~¢ PICKARD along with photographs furnished by PICKARD&#39;S
former wife. -He stated that PICKARD bears a striking &#39;~
resemblance to the man whom he observed in this apartment,"
., during the evening of January 28, 1950. DONOVAN at this
. _&#39;time advised that in addition to information previously &#39;, .v .. .furnished to the writer that he found an old violin in L
JV the foyer closet upon occupancy_of this apartment, He
= stated that he discarded the violin and had noted that it t
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photograph she recognized, is identical with the unknown &#39; ;??
. man,she observed in Apartment 6I during the evening of ?
January 28, 1950. Mrs. MC GILL recalled that Mr. §LWYN 1
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On June 1, 1951, Assistant United States Attorney J
JOHM M. FOLEY advised that a Federal Grand Jury subpoena -
was being issued for the appearance of GARY PICKARD, . ,
Southern District of New York, on June 12, 1951. , _,i
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&#39; writer mot GARY PICKARD on his arrival at LnGua;dia Field ~
at 7:30 PsM. . , ~  "
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the radio station there and returned to his parents resi- ,_a?
dence at Pleasantville, New York. He stated that in October _k g
19b9, he oamo to New York City job hunting. He recalled p -Y/*"
definitely attempting to get a position with the Radio " @
Station WOR in New York City. Q
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MAX FINESTONE during October 19b9, however, he does recall.,.g-
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- or contractor and during September or October, FINESTONE
came to New York and that the two of them got in touch _
with one another. PICKARD stated that at that time MNX f
FINESTONE was residing in Apartment 6I at 65 Morton Street,
New York City, and offered the use of this apartment to - . *
him on a gratis basis. He recalled having seen the name < H s
of SARANT printed on the doorbell. FINESTONE had advised J
~ him that a couple had possession of the apartment and that 1
&#39; they_had moved to California. They were retaining the » f&#39;
apartment with the idea that they were returning to New ,4;
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GARY PICKARD recalled that during the Christmas J v, .-t. ._ ,-vacation period of 19h9, either FINESTOME or himself &#39; d/ E&#39; ,invited DAVID LYLE, nAaeLn!,eATTY and his brother, RoNALnf _ __; =
-IGATTY, Mr, and Hrs. NORMANz?0IRIER, of Worcester, Massa- 5 ;¢Y
chusetts, to spend the Christmas holiday period with them ~"
at 65 Morton Street, New York City. He stated that all &#39; I
&#39; of these individuals were students.at Cornell University ~,F
and had come to New York City to see the "sights" and &#39; _.Q
that staying with them at Morton Street was a convenience I
pextended toward them by FINESTONE and himself. PICKARD . . &#39;
vexplained that it was necessary for them to improvise " ;
sleeping facilities by making beds on the floor to handle &#39;
this overflow group. PICKAHD stated that they had a double
bed and a daybed in the apartment, which would have slept&#39; " 
~ three or four of the individuals and that the others slept
&#39; on the floor. He advised that this group came to New York
&#39; via LYLE&#39;S Jeep. _ t
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during the Christmas period, l9h9, he had occasion to ;
be in Apartment 6I and noted seven men present in the k
apartment and that there were sleeping bags laid out on -
the living room floor. ELWYH@§id not recall that there ,was any woman present in the apartment at that time.Q;" "
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tioned,stayed until after New Years Day, and returned to
Cornell, that he was present during most of the Christmas
holiday period, however, he took off two days and went to _
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possibly upon his return from Pleasantville, in discussing.-~
the continuance of his residence at 65 Morton Street with
&#39;FINESTONE, MAX indicated that possibly the apartment would p
.have to be vacated, however, there was no immediate necessi-4
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FINESTONE has not paid any of this amount. FINESTONE was
" in contact with the legal tenants of the apartment, accord- *
ing to PICKARD, however, he did not know their method of
communication. He stated that FINESTONE was very mysterious ..1in discussing this apartment and the identity of the couple .
who were tenants. However, during the month of January, a-
he.definitely recalled FINESTONE stating that the owner had :¢
given up the apartment and that they would have to be out"" "
by the first of the month. PICKARD discussed his continuing 
eto rent the apartment with FINESTONE, however, MAX Said ; :
that this was impossible and that they would definitely. .4 &#39;
have to move,. _ H &#39;-. ~. .,
A &#39; PICKARD recalled that possibly on a Saturday night ¢
prior to the Sunday on which the remainder of tho furniture
was moved from the apartment, the Superintendent knocked 5
on the door and he admitted to the apartment tho=Superin¢ 
tendont and the new tenant. Accompanying the new tenant &#39;~
were two women and a man. He stated that the new tenants
and these other individuals after having viewed the apart-
ment left, and it was possible at this time that the Super-
intendent told him that he would have to be out of the
apartment by the_fo1lowing day so that the Superintendent
would have an opportunity to clean and make this apartment
ready for tho new tenant who was alleged to be moving in
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visited the Horton Street Apartment for the first time <
in the latter part of January 1950. However, he stated
that he could be wrong about this date and that possibly &#39;
the first time JIMMY visited the apartment was in December.
He recalled that after this visit with MAX FINESTONE and
JAMES NEINSTEIN, he went to look at a new apartment which
they later rented at hl8 East 9th Street, New York City.Qg .
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FINESTONE moved from the apartment a chest, a Hollywood
type bod, a kitchen table and possibly one kitchen chair
to the hi8 East 9th Street apartment. He advised that
he was not present during moving of this furniture and
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tenant, he contacted FINESTONE at the 9th Street apartment
either in person or by telephone, and that MAX came to the
apartment in response to his contact and while there,
he assisted him in carrying bookcases, a garbage can, &#39;»H
a day bed, a card table, kitchen chairs to the basement&#39;
of the Morton Street apartment building where they stored
these furnishings. PICKARD stated that the Superintendent
had granted permission to him to leave these furnishings
in the basement. .l " -
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closets, such as n violin and several pieces of wood boards
and other odds and ends. PICKLHD stated that after obtain-
ing the 780 Greenwich Street apartment that the furnishings
which had bcen&#39;moved to the basement were removed and trans
ported via LYLE&#39;S jeep to the Greenwich Street apartments
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parents residence for a day or so or at someone else&#39;s
apartment after leaving the Merton Street apartment. There
after he moved in with FINESTONE and WEINSTEIN at the ,
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RICHARD T. HRADSKY and the writer to 65 Morton Street, ;
New York City. He reenacted for the reviewing agents "
the moving process on or about January 29, 1950 in which &#39;
MAX FINESTONE and himself carried the remaining furnishings_
from apartment 61 to the basement of the building. He -
stated that he knew the exact location where the furniture.
was stored opposite the Superintendent&#39;s apartment door C
in the basement and advised of the approximate location _
of each piece of furniture which was moved to the basement.
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andamrs. ELWYN, Jr. confronted PICKARD with the informa-
tion which they had previously furnished concerning the
moving and other incidents which took place at their
apartncnt building. =]
PICKARD after hearing their recital stated that
possibly he was incorrect in having advised agents of the
Salt Lake City Office that there was no one else present
during the moving of the furniture on or about January 29,
1950. He than recalled that two individuals came to the
Morton Street apartment during the course of the moving
and inquired about FINESTONE. PICKARD stated that he was
in the process of packing his clothes and he believes that
he instructed these two individuals to go to the basement
of the apartment building and there they would find FINE-
STONE. PICKARD at this time did not recall the names of
these individuals. » .
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PICKLRD was shown numerous photographs including those p
of WILLIAM PERL and WELDON BRUCE DAYTON.. He identified 4%
the photographs of WILLIAM BBL and WELDON BRUCE DKYTON 
as being those of the two individuals who had inquired -
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FINESTONE or himself in the moving of furniture from *
this apartment to the basement on or about January 29,&#39; _ if
1950. However, PICKARD desired to clarify this statement_¢,;
by stating that possibly after he had directed PERL and &#39;.
. DAYTON to go to the basement and there they wouldfind A
FINESTONE, and that in so doing the Superintendent and &#39;-L.
his wife, Hr. and Mrs. FLOYD ELWYN, Jr. noted that these 3$_
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FINESTONE introduced PERL and DAYTON to him as "BILL and U
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DAYTON down the steps and behind them came PERL and **
FINESTONE and that at this time he conversed with DAYTON. _
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of them left the Morton Street apartment building
and believed that FINESTONE drove PERL and DAYTON
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WEINSTEIN, M18 East 9th Street, New York City, during the &#39;,
first week of February 1950. PICKARD was then temporarily
» residing with FINESTONE and WEINSTEIN at this above address._ L
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and himself sat on a sofa in the FINESTONE-WEINSTEIN apart-
ment and eonvcrsed at considerable length. He stated that &#39;
ELEANOR GLASSMAN was the date that evening of WILLIAM PERL.
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stated that he had met her somewhere, possibly at d party
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of 1950 and he recalled that she was a "fast talker". "
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pieces of wood two to three feet in length which had &#39;@
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. that it was his definite recollection that this had some- &#39;
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FINESTONE about these odds and ends in the closet and
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in the apartment had discarded these articles.. +.- ~"
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by SA RICHLRD T. HRADSKY and the writer. On this date,
he was further questioned about the Christmas holiday
incident in which friends of theirs from Cornell had p
stayed with them. He stated that he was not in the , &#39;
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that he met a man through MAX FINESTONE immediately prior
to or during the initial period which he resided at
Apartment 6-I, 65 Morton Street, New York City, who worked
&#39; for a labor union, possibly out of town, near Pittsburgh.
PICKARD could not recall this man&#39;s full nane. However,
he thought that his first name was DAVE. He believes that
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stated that this man had a girl friend who worked for the_
International Ladies Garment Workers Union, 1710 Broadway.
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girl friend came to the Morton Street apartment on at "
least one occasion to visit
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existed between FINESTONE and this unknown man, stated
that they seemed to have known each other from somewhereover at least on one occasion.
&#39; in the past, they had mutual friends and:there seemed to
- be a genuine friendship existing between the two.
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unknown man, stated that she was white, approximately
five foot, eight or nine inches tall, medium build, blond
hair, fairly good looking and in her early twenties.
PICKARD stated that it was his recollection that she had
On June 1a, 1951,
cerning the identity of thepreviously been married and is now divorced. = -
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individual was wearing pajamas and was sitting at a "¥,
card table, which was placed in the middle of the living
room of Apartment 6-I. Ho recalls that there was toast,
jelly and possibly a glass of water on the card table. h >
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mind that Mr. ELWYN is referring to himself as this un-
known individual. He states that he recalls the incident,
and the facts are substantially the same as furnished by.
Mr. ELWYN. PICKARD believes that-this incident occurred
possibly on the Sunday on which MAX FINESTONE and himself
moved the remaining furniture from this apartment to the
basement of the building. This date has been fixed as »_
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the ton holes were exhibited to PICKARD. Hc states that T
he does not recall seeing these holes in the door, which
would have been,during the period he lived there, probably
filled with a plastic wood. He states that the bedroom
door was very dirty and usually remained opened and pushed
back against the bedroom wall. w » _ 
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on June lh, 1951. He states that LOUISE SARANT is not
familiar and he docs not recall having known_her,or having
over seen her in the past.  - "r . ;
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writer to 173 West End Avenue, the former residence of-
MAX FINESTONE, in an attempt to locate FINESTONH so that
PICKARD would have an opportunity to converse with him.
PICKARD made an unsuccessful attempt to locate FINESTONE
at this address. Subsequently, he accompanied the writer
to sue West Breadway,_ ere FINESTONE was receiving hismail in care of JOHN A§QLEARY. There PICKARD made an
unsuccessful attempt to contact FINESTONE. However, he -
stated that this is the address of a formr friend of
MAX FINESTONE, whose name was LEARY. Ho recalls having y
accompanied FINESTONE to this address on at least one &#39;
occasion while they both resided at 65 Morton Street, and
there they played curds with LEARY. He states that LEARY
was formerly in the Merchant Marine Service with FINESTONE.
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served WELDON BRUCE DAYTON and personally identified him -
as the individual who accompanied WILLIAM PERL to th0~ 5
Morton Street apartment on or about January 29, 1950. _ .
- PICKARD introduced himself to DAYTON while they
were both waiting in the Grand Jury waiting room that » _
date. DAYTON advised PICKARD that he did not know him. 7
PICKARD stated that he explained to DAYTON that he had _
&#39; resided with MAX FINESTONE at 65 Morton Street in New
York City for a few months prior to the latter part of ..x
January 1950, and definitely felt that he met him and
had been introduced to him as "BRUCE" by MAX FINESTONE.
&#39; DAYTON stated that that seemed unlikely to him and he
doesn&#39;t recall his nanb or this meeting. "
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~"they" questioned him about moving furniture, which he had
denied. DAYTON also advised that if he had met MAX -;
FINESTONE at all in New York City, it certainly wasn&#39;t in
the Greenwich Village area. He suggested various places
at Cornell University whore they could have met, andPICKARD advised that they were all highly unlikely to hima
- DJYTON also advised that he was not worried for!
he is not implicated in any way in this investigation. &#39;
He said that he didn&#39;t knew MAX FINESTONE very well. t
On Juno 18, 1951, GARY PICKARD also had an »
opportunity to meet JANES WEINSTEIN in the Grand Jury .
waiting room. He stated that WEINSTEIN immediately recog-
nized him and advised him that he had not seen MAX FINESTONE
since April 1951. PICKARD stated that he advised WEINSTEIN
that he was there to testify as a witness and that he had,
been trying to locate MAX FINESTONE for approximately one
week. He asked WEINSTEIN if he knew FINESTONE&#39;s current
whereabouts. WEINSTEIN stated, as before, that he had not,
seen FINESTONE since April, and that he does not know
. where FINESTONE is. However, he believes that he had left
&#39; the apartment that he had with HARRY. lt4is noted that V
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WEINSTEIN, this HARRY may have been a former student at Hf
Cornell University. &#39; - A , ..T> ,
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neither he nor PICKARD were implicated in any way in the 5
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he-was not answering some of the questions put to him in
the Grand Jury because he had been quite active politically
and that a lot of his political beliefs are toward the
. &#39;1eft, which is frowned upon these days. WEINSTEIN advised
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which took place in New York City from Juno ll through 15
.and Juno 18, 1951, GARY PICKARD denied that he is now, or "
has ever been, a member of the Communist Party or any of _
its front organizations. He stated further that he had
never been approached or knowingly performed any espionage
functions on behalf of MAX FINESTONE or any other individ-
ual, Ho statod&#39;that he had attended a protest rally in
behalf of the-eleven Communist 1eaders,who were on trial . A
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_FINESTONE. He stated that FIHESTONE had invited him to
attend this rally and that he had consented to do so
mainly through curiosity. e stated that he also attended
a "hootonanny", which he believed had been sponsored by .some Communist front 9/ganization, with MAX rnrsswess. .
&#39; He advised that BETTY,SANDERS, a friend of MAX FINESTONE,
had been possibly Chairman, or appeared as one of the
performers at this hootonanny".
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bases this belief on various_discunsiens which he had had
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1950. He advised that he had no knowledge as to whether
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4 -&#39;._ - of the Party at some previous date, He advised that :I k¢
FINESTONE or WEINSTEIN made available Communist literature J "int
to him when he lived at hl8 East 9th Street, New York  &#39;j.
City, with them in February 1950. Ho stated that he road ~ 1 ,~¥:1 ~,_ 0-.92.w1:  ,_..some of this_litorature and later discussed it with _j* < lij Q
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interviews, GARY PICKARD exhibited a warm cooperative _g
A spirit in answering the interviewing agents questions. , "
He explained that his having accepted FINESTONE&#39;s offer 1 re?. 1&#39; ft: to share the Morton Street apartment and later the 9th ~ ~- 1%
Street apartment was based on an-economic necessity. He &#39;-;§
further advised that both FINESTONE and himself were of ~Q_ . {r
Russian Jewish extraction, and that they had a natural * 4 .113?
basis for e friendship. PICKARD stated that their initial &#39;<* ~§iW
friendship had develohed when both FINESTONE and himself $5 _ &#39;6-<...-.92resided in the same neighborhood while each of them was&#39; &#39; __ fr
< attending Cornell University in l9h6 or l9M7. He stated &#39;. §§
cthat it was quite by accident that they had initially met_1 .@~&.5.. v  {~4-and explained that he had an automobile and drove from f  *&#39;1m_ ._his residence on one of the rural routes of Ithaca, New " 1 g
York, to Cornell, and that he had noted that FINESTONE wasgr "
also a student at Cornell, and he would pick him up and _ ~¢~ f
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has expressed the opinion that GARY PICKARD would be an
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On May 29, 1951, Mrs. RICHARD wsnew of Bedford _ ~*~"e92. - -, $2H1113, New York, was interviewed at her residence by SA -~~_ ;jgEDWARD J. CAHILL and the writer. Duréng the initial stage:&#39;" -4% . * l ,&#39; - 1:.of this interview her husband, RICHAR .ENDT, who is &#39; &#39;*. &#39;u» president of tho Merritt Printing Company of Mount Kisco, ~ ; ,;§
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former wife of GARY PICKARD and that her maiden name was , ,
Miss ANN SHELDON FARLEY. It should be noted that from the 
outset of this interview and continuing throughout this , M
interview Mrs. WENDT exhibited a spirit of complete  *A *
reooporation and furnished complete detailed information ~Q,_ .
and often volunteered additional information. &#39; ==P j
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She stated that her former husband, GARY PICKARD, ~
graduated in August 19h? with a Bachelor of Arts degree .
from the Liberal Arts College at Cornell University. She&#39;~
stated that they were separated in the third week of I
August l9h9, at which time she returned to her mother&#39;sresidence, Mrs. senaLn1ne<?iRLEY, South Bedford Road, W
Mount Kisco, New York, and that sometime in September &#39; .
her husband left Ithaca, New York,&#39;and returned to his r
parents home, Mr. and,Mrs..SAUL%PICKARD; 100 Sunnyside
Avenue, Pleasantville, New York.&#39; She states that GARY ii
PICKARD&#39;s parents subsequently sold their Plecsantville  .§
- home and are new living in an apartment in White Plains, i .
- New York. Mrs. PICKARD, according to Mrs. WENDT, is - y
cashier for her brother-in-law&#39;s hardware store in white . ~
- Plains. She stated that his name was VICTOR PICKARD. _ j
, She advised that GARY PICKARD&#39;s father has not been well p _f
for many years and that he does not have any employment. é&#39;1.< 1~.
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GARY PICKARD, at which time he advised her that he was we
- moving into New York City from Pleneantville, that he was 
going to go to night school and would be working for the -
Psychological Corporation. He mentioned that he would&#39; . - q
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, area of New York City with MAX FINESTONE, whom she had &#39; ¢-;:§
~met in Ithaca, Now York. She related that at one time , .2
she and her former husbandluiilived next door to MAX  , nwiFINESTONE&#39;s parents and that often FINESTONE would ride .f F» 3%} .-11to school with her husband.&#39; ~ . 1 ~ "~L  ~&#39;L1&#39;7 . .  x», i
Concerning PICKARD&#39;s residing with FINESTONE in " -_
tho Greenwich Village arch of New York City, she stated W * .
that it wns her belief that this was to be on n gratis - i
basis. She recalls that in November l9h9 GARY PICKARD vi Q
borrowed her automobile to move his personal effects from ~*
Pleasmntvillc, New York, to New York City. - " j P  5. 1,
She recalls that possibly the next time she saw n.
GARY PICKARD was on or about Christmas Day, l9h9, at which _
time he brought e Christmas gift for their daughter, =." £1
DEBORAH. She recalled that at that time her husband in- &#39; &#39;
formed her that ho had a Christmas job with one of the
New York department stores selling clothes in the men&#39;s "
i department. Ho was also doing survey work by telephone . 
Afor the Psychological Corporation or some similar research ~
organization. PICKARD told her that he had come from New &#39;5
York and was spending o day or so with his family. _. &#39; 5&#39; r
4 Mrs. WENDT advised that possibly on Christmas
Day, 19b9, or on some other occasion, GARY PICKARD,in Y
conversation, advised that "he had hoard and gotten .
. interested in c lot of new people and ideas."&#39; In comment-
ing on this she stated that it was her recollection that
. he was speaking about s "liberal" clement and political .
philosophy that he was being Oxponud to through his contact
"with MAX FIWESTONE. _  - ~
She advised that she does not specifically recall
having ever been furnished tho 65 Morten Street address or
the hi8 East 9th Street-address for her former husband. -
However, she does believe that ho muy have mentioned that &#39; ,
he lived on Morton Street in tho Greenwich Village area with " 
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that after PICKARD had moved from the Greenwich Villag0,* 4_3j*
apartment, he stayed for approximately two days with one p
JOHN MOORE. JOHN MOORE was away at the time and possibly
loaned him the use of the apartment. She stated that &#39;
MOORE lived in the neighborhood of Lexington Avenue and
hhth Street. According to Mrs. WENDT, MOORE was alleged,
to have had a maid. p . _ » A fg
It is to be noted that during the interviews with
GlRY PICKAHD in New York City, ho was questioned pertain-
ing to having bud use of an apartment of one JOHN MOORE .
during tho interval between his having resided at the -
Morton Street &pnPtmOnt and the 9th Street apartment. 
PICKARD stated that he lived somewhere for approximately A
two_doys. However, tho name, JOHMKMOORE, is not familiar
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husband had been o ski trooper in the United States Army _
during World War II. He was wounded end is currently &#39;
receiving disability benefits from the Vetornns_Administra-
tion. She recalls that either during the Fall of 19h? or
the Spring of 1950, PICKARD.attendcd the evening school at
Columbia University under Public Law 16. Sho stated that_l
up until the time of their divorce, which became final in "
October 1950, she received $100 monthly support from her,husband. _ =1  " .
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PICKAHD, had never boon, to her knowledge, a member of the
Communist Party or any of its front organizations. She &#39;
states that he had formerly been a member in 19h? of the
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
In cementing on BAX FINESTONE, she stated that he had
indicated to her that he was interested in the American Youth
for Democracy in l9h6, tho Americans for Democratic Action
in 19h? and 19MB, that possibly he was affiliated with the
Young Progressives of America and/or Young Progressives.
She definitely recalls that he wns 11 member of the NAACP
during tho Fall of 19h7. At such time she was membership
chairman of this group at Cornell University. -,__
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crecy hes been cited as en organization coming within the -I.
purview of Executive Order 9835 by the Attorney General.
h. Reinterviey of Mrs. R3VA,PICKAQ &#39;
&#39; On May 29, 1951, Mrs. REVA PICKARD, the mothor&#39;
of GARY PICKARD, was reinterviewed by SA EDWARD J. CAHILL hp
and the writer at the Piekard Hardware, Inc., 1&5 Pest "
Reed, white Plains, New York, telephone number White Plains8"5100o 4 . I i &#39;* . l. ..
Mrs. PICKARD stated that her son began to reside
with MAX FINESTONE in an apartment in the Greenwich Village
area of New York City on a gratis basis in the Full of 1
l9H9. She does not recall that her son, GARY,-ever fur &#39;
nished the eddress.of their apartment. However, she ex- _
pleined that he could be reached through his sister, JOAN_¢
PICKARD, who lived at 5 Riverside Drive, New York City. f
She stated that subsequent to GARY&#39;s residence Y
with MLX FINESTONE in the Greenwich Village area of New
York City, he stayed for 1 short time at FINESTONE92s
apartment en East Qth Street in New York City. She recalls
"that possibly in the latter part of February 1950 he rented
an apartment at 780 Greenwich Street, New York City. This
apartment was leter shared with two former Cornell stud- .-
ents by the names of GATTY and LYLE. ;~ &#39;  @_
Mrs. PTCKQRD states that she gave her sen some
"odds and ends" te help him furnish the 750 Greenwich &#39; r
Street apartment and&#39;reeal1s having given him 25 to 30
dollars to buy a bed. She was uneble to place the exact
time of this purchase. However, she believes that it was
prior to his residency at 780 Greenwich Street.
Mrs. PICKQRD reealls_thst LYLE, GARY and a
young lady_whese lust name isfDARCEY  Ph.! visited her
in Plcnsnntvillc, New York, in 1950. She explained that
they traveled to Pleasnntville in LYLE&#39;s jeep. &#39;
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one to two inches tell, slight build, dark complexion and
hair, in her twenties, and was employed bv some advertising
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stated that it was partially based on information ro &#39; &#39; 
ceived pertaining to him from her daughter, JOAN PICKARD. 5
She stated that her daughter was working for Lever &#39; g
Brothers in New York City in l9h9~l9SO period, and at the N  Fsuggestion of either JOAN or GARY, FINESTONE filed an -jni  Y, Veg  &#39;1w1.*;application for employment-with Lever Brothers. JOAN ;_ in;
PICKARD was working in the Personnel Section and she ad- , i.~¢_ &#39; 1.31. ..vised Mrs. PICKARD that she hnd.persena1ly given an em» q;~sployment application to FINESTONE. FINESTONE filled out-&#39; , ~
this application, but refused to sign tho non-Communist _ ,,j§
affidavit or to fill out the section of the application - s
which included questions pertaining to Communist Barty&#39;_~ ,
membership. After FINESTONE&#39;s refusal, Mrs. PICKAHD ". ,
stated that her daughter, JOAN, tore up the application.&#39;- 
Mrs. PICKLRD stated that her son, GARY, had explained _
FINESTONE&#39;s action by stating, "A man has a right to his <own beliefs." &#39; - .J&W 1
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Mrs. PICKARD volunteered that while her son, _" 
- GARY, was residing at hi8 East 9th Street, New York City, .&#39; 5
some time during the early months of 1950, that one of .- 3 &#39;
his disability checks, which was sent in care of FINESTONEHa ,
hl8 East 9th Street apartment, had been stolen. She ~§g 1- 3
- "indicated that it would be of help in establishing tho §U" »
period which_her son resided at Q16 East 9th Street to ~ 92 q» 4;,.check with the Veterans Administration pertaining to the" Z ;=L_v
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&#39;-{Radio Station WFDR, 1710 Broadway, telephone number JU 2-1190,. -New York City, was interviewed by the writer. &#39; -
It is to be noted that rs. RICHARD WENDT, a for-
mor wife of G$RY PICKARD, stated in interview that LOU =
FRANKEL had formerly been connected with the same radio
_ station that her husband was with in Ithaca, New York, and &#39;
could possibly furnish snmO background information pertain-
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from Ithaca, New York, as mentioned above, and that during
the Fall of 19h9 and during 1950, he had visited him at 92
Radio Station WFDR on several occasions. FRANKEL identi- _
fled a photograph of MAX FINESTONE as an individual who
had accompanied PICKLRD to his radio station on one or V
more occasions. » &#39; &#39; &#39;_ , ,
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&#39; Mr. FRLNKEL stated that his secretary, Miss
Fnsngygtsxn, knew both PICKARD and FINESTONE, and suggested
that she be interviewed. Mr. PRANKEL stated that he had .
no knowledge to the effect that PICKARD is new or had ever
been a member of the Communist Party or any of its front
organizations. He explained that ho, himself, is extremely
anti-Comunist~in political philosophy, and he would have
been greatly surprised if PICKARD had any "leftist" poli-
tical beliefs. - . x=_. 
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Mr. FRANKEL stated that he would be unable to "
comment on MAX FINESTONE in this connection, inasmuch as
his conversations with him were extremely limited.
~ c. Interviews er Miss FBANA KLEIN 
&#39;* _0n May 29, 1951, Miss F one KLEIN, 7 East 85th 
Street, New York City, telephone number PL 9-BM67, advised
that she had dated GQHY PICKARD during a period in 1950, 
having been introduced to him by Mr. LOU FHANKELI She =-i
stated that PICKARD resided,during the time of their &#39;
friendship, at 780 Greenwich Street, New York City, with
two_former Cornell students by the names of GATTY and LYLE.
Miss KLEIN furnished what she believes to be the full and
current address of these individuals as follows: 
_ &#39; _HAROLD LINDSnY%bATTY
Company B Class #36~
A00 Division &#39; .
Fort Riley, Kansas
JOHN DAVID LYLE
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~ Miss KLEIN identifies the Miss DARCEY previously. H Qg
mentioned in connection with Mrs. BLVA PICKARD&#39;s inter~ _~c- M" is
vvicw as CLAILE7DARCEY, who is now married to Mr. DONALD pg _f;§&#39;;3%¢
$2. <fHAUSDOREF. who resides at 352 West 18th Street, New York § &#39;?T¢>:i;
p City. She states that Miss DABCEY, who is n friend of . = it ~~§.»._. ~
hers, met GARY PICKARD through herself approximately two l# jg, *
months after PICKARD rented the 780 Greenwich Street "
apartment. She states that the former Miss DMRCEY had
also dated GARY FICKARD. .  i
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Miss KLEIN advised that she met MAX FTNESTONE ~
through GQRY FICKARD and that on possibly two occasions
she had had lunch with FINESTOHE. 3ho stated that she &#39; 
immediately ha Q personality clash with FINESTONE over j .W
their political differences, and explained that FINESTONE Z ,
A was very pro-Communist in his beliefs and that she is,
quite anti-Communist. .   &#39; _ >
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with GARY YICKARD, she had formed the definite opinion ,
that he was not n Communist and believes that he is an ex-_ 
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of MAX PINESTONB, which she readily identified. Y
&#39; Miss KLEIN recnlls that MLX FINESTONE had intro- *
duced her to a girl friend of his whose name she does not S
recall. However, she furnished the following description: 
white, approximately S feet, 6 inches tall, chestnut brown
or dirty blond hair, light complexion, approximately 28 _;
-years of age, well built - stocky. She stated that she "
_helieved that she met this girl at PICKAD&#39;a 780 Greenwich 1
" Street apartment during the Summer of 1950. A -
, f GARY IICKLD was questioned while he was in New
i. York pcrtwining to the identity of this girl. He stated "A
&#39; that she was probably identical with Miss BETTY BUEHLER, &#39;
who currently resides at 178 East 71st Street, NQw York City.&#39;,
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vised the writer that she had just received a letter from
HAROLD GATTY, and that he was still in Company B Class #36,
LOC Division, at Fort Riley, Kansas. . U . v
She stated that she recalls an incident at tho ,
780 Greenwich Street apartment, at which MAX PINESTONE, __
GATTY, LYLE, IICKARD, possibly others, and herself were &#39;
present. She stated that it was during the time that ,&#39;
Senator McCAhTHY was making his accusations against the ~
State Department. She states that they were listening to .
a news broadcast.which furnished information pertaining to ,
the McCARTHY incident. She recalls that MAX FINESTONE
stated to GARY PICKARD that there was something in his &#39; -&#39;
background which would not allow him to take a government
job. She stated that FINESTONE_did not elaborate further
pertaining to his statement, e V ,
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__ On May 31, 1951, Mr. GURTH WILLILHS, Office
Manager, Tho&#39;Psychological Corporation, New York City,
advised the writer that GARY PICKARD, whose permanent »
address was 100 Sunnyside Avenue, Ileasantville, New York,
filed an application for part time employment as field
interviewer on November 30, l9h9. He gave as his New York
telephone number  evenings only after 5 p.m.!.TR;7-2563, .
and as his home telephone, Pleasantvillo 2-1797, Telephone
listing TR 7-2563 has been previously identified as that
which FICKARD&#39;s sister, JOAN, had use of whi1e_residing at
5 Riverside Drive, New York City. *Mr,&#39;WILLIAMS stated that
PICKARD gave as his date of birth, April 26, 1923, that he &#39;
was married and had two dependents, and gave as a reference,Miss;/_SELIN;"m, who was with"BADGEIl1.-.BROWNING_ ensnssx. "
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at T80 Greenwich Street, New York City, and had Social ~
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recalled having met GARY PICKARD; that further, he does f
not recall having ever met MAX FINESTOHE in New York City, I
and does not know the whereabouts of ALFRED S$RANT or ~
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in Ithaca, New York, on or about April 22, 1951. Ho left
. his two children with LOUISE SARAHT from approximately 5
April 15 or 16 until April 22, 1951, during which time he
testified before the Federal Grand Jury for the Southern
&#39; District of New York on April 17, 1951. He explained that
during part of this period, he was collecting data pertein- 3
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that he telephoned LOUISE SARANT&#39;s residence from Boston =§
during the middle of last week  approximately Juno 13, 1951!, "E
at which time he spoke to VICTOH92ROSS, her stepfather. _ _ L _ROSS advised him that ho was assisting his wife, I"lI192T4.,./X1[<-Q-5-<4-&#39;  *6
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I rtelephoned him upon her return to Ithaca, New York, on .:} &#39;35s;
approximately Friday or Saturday evonin of last week p; » ?¥;F approximately June 15 or June 16, 1951?. DAYTON stated f~. 1 
that he advised LOUISE SARANT that he was scheduled to 1;_ :
_ testify before the Federal Grand Jury1ku~tho Southern , .&#39; 
District of New York on the following Monday  June 18, &#39;1f ~ K
1951!. LOUISE SARLNT advised DAYTON that she had testified, I
on Juno 13 and lh, 1951. DAYTON further advised that he "
asked to sec LOUISE SARANT during this telephone converseq e, . *
tion upon her return to New York City, for the purpose of, ;~
testifying en June 19, 1951. LOUISE SARANT advised him  i_ {T,
that she was planning to arrive in New York City on Tuesday"q ;m;:¢,Q
morning  June 19, 1951! and would leave New York City e, l; gzI
immediately upon completion of her Grand Jury testimony, §,{&#39; §: é
and for this reason she did not believe that she would q.v~~~ ,.1-.  1.have e suitable opportunity to contact him. ~ , . ,_" _ "@.92c »» - . |-. 1*. 11%;
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interviewing agents the disappearance of ALFRED SARANT and&#39;$ _"3
his wife, CAROL DAYTON. DAYTON reiterated the events 1end- 
ing te,&#39;and subsequent to, their disappearance, which were
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ROSS, at the Tip-Top Inn at 86th Street and Broadway .
during the late evening hours of June 18, 1951. He
stated that they discussed the subject of LOUISE SARAHT&#39;S
testimony for the Federal Grand Jury, Southern District
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constitutional privilege. DAYTON stated that he advised
LOUISE SARANT and her stepfather, Mr, ROSS, that he was
not utilizing his constitutional privilege before the
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told him that she was staying at the Hotel Le Marquis,
12 East 31st Street, New York City, as was her step-
father, Mr. ROSS. &#39;
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to the telephone call which he had received on possibly
Friday or Saturday evenings of the previous week at his
home in Jamaica Plains, Boston, Massachusetts, from
LOUISE SARéHT.~ He stated that he believed that she was
calling him from her Ithaca, New York, residence and had
advised him that she had taken a bus on Thursday evening
of the previous week from New York City, after having
completed her Grand Jury testimony for that week, and
returned to Ithaca, New York, on Friday of the previous
week. He states that she told him that she had testified
before the Federal Grand Jury, Southern District of NewYork. She also advised him that she was using her con-
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legal advice". She indicated to DAYTON that she was
questioned at considerable length before the Federal
Grand Jury. - » , &#39;
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him from LOUIS SARANT was in response to the telephone
call that he had made to her Ithaca, New York, residence
on Thursday evening of the previous week. Ho stated .
that he had received his Grand Jury subpoena for
appearance in New York at approximately 6:00 p.m. on
Thursday evening, June 16, l95l,_and thereafter
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had seen LOUISE SARANT since his departure from_
New York, in September, 1950 for Jamaica Plainswhere he had received a research staff appoint»{,
the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.. , 1
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~ the Christmas holiday period in 1950 in Ithaca, ew
York. DAYTON relates that he took his two children to
Ithaca, New York, and stayed at LOUISE SARANT&#39;S Ith&O8 -
~ residence from approximately December 26, 1950, there- .,
after for nine days. DAYTON explained that he had &#39; 2Q
spent Christmas day and one other day in the home of 
Dr. HANNAH<PETERS, Rochester, New York. Ho stated - 
that Dr. P3TERS&#39; husband, BERNARD, had not returned from i
his trip to India. , ~ ,,.= * 1&#39;11¢ ..- .
DAYTON explained that he and his children
travelled from Jamaica Plains, Boston, Massachusetts,ato Rochester and unto Ithaca by train. LOUISE SARANT
drove DAYTON and his children back to Rochester and ;
~ from Rochester they travelled by train beck to Jamaica
Plains, Boston, Massachusetts. He stated that he sew &#39;
both Doctors BhRNARD and HANNAH PETERS upon his return
to Rochester, approximately January h, 1951. ,
DAYTON advised that during February, 1951 i
LOUISE SARANT stayed in Boston for approximately two
and one half days, after having attempted to see her =father-in-law, Mr. HONDA GEORG?/$ARANT, on Long Island,
&#39; New York. She stated to DhYTO}th:t she was unable to s
see him for at that time her father-in-law was in -
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wife.
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_ July weekend, 195O,.Dr. BERNARD and HANNAH PETERS,
LLFRED and LOUISE SARANT, and their families, visited
at his Ithaca, New York, residence.
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his wife first showed a romantic interest in ALFRED
SARANT ata party which took place on Saturday evening, .
July-1, 1950, at the homo of JOSEPH?LEVINGER. DAYTON
states that LBVINGER has his Docterls Degree in Physics
.frm Cornell University and is scheduled to accept an
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JULIUS ROSBHBLRG visiting ALFRED and LOUISE SABANT ~ .
.during May, 1950 at Ithaca, New York. He stated that Q
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United States Signal Corps Laboratory in New Jersey " ~~
during tho early l9hO&#39;s while the SARLNTS were living &#39;%
with them in Ithaca, New York, between June or July,. y
19h8 until February or Harch, l9h9.
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tioned in conversation the names of JOEL BPRR and_ ._
N VIVIAN GLASSMAR; however, he was unable to elaborate
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It is recalled that when Dr. WELDON BRUCE &#39;
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Albany Office on August 2, 1950, that DLYTON stated 
that SnR;NT first mentioned "OSBNBiRG&#39;S name to him
after the SARnTS&#39; initial interviews by the hlbany~agents  July 19-25, 1950!. &#39; &#39;
On June 19, 1951, WELDON BRUCE DAYTON _
accompanied SA RICHARD T. HRADSKY and the writer to
the 65 Morton Street, New York City apartment building
in an attempt to further refresh his memory as to his
having appeared there on or about January 29, 1950 with
WILLIAM PERL. After having thoroughly viewed the
immediate surroundings of the 65 Morton Street building,
-and the_interior of the Norton Street building, in-
cluding the basement and the sixth floor, he_again stated.
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previous evening at 1l:OO,p.m. He stated that he
was staying with Dr. EVAZLLNDSBERG, 37 West 72nd,;
New York City. DAYTON advised that LOUISE SLRLNT &#39; -
mentioned having gone out on Long Island-to visit
her sister-in-law, ELECTRA JAYSON. She also advised
DAYTON that she would attempt again to see her father
inelaw, NONDA GEORGE-SLRQNT, on this date pertaining
to a loan. DAYTON explained that Mrs. SARANT firmly
believed thtt her father-in-law had a financial &#39;
responsibility toward the children which his son had
deserted. . ~
Dr. DAYTON was again interviewed about his
alleged appearance at the 5 Morton Street apartment
on or about January 29, 1950 with WILLIAM PERL. Ho
stated that he fully realized that the Government had
several witnesses who could testify as to his having,
been there on the alleged date with PERL; however, he
again stated that ho was not present. DAYTON stated.
that he could fully understand the Governmentis posit
in this espionage investigation and he knows that his
having refused to cooperate with the FBI in the locat
of his wife, CAROL, immediately after her flight with
SARLNT to Mexico, coupled with his refusal to sign a
waiver of search which would allow tho FBI to search
his Ithaca, New York, residence at the time of his
initial interview on August 2, 1950, would logically
indicate that he was in see way involved in this
espionage investigation.
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rufusal to sign a waiver of search was based on his
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to the FBI Laboratory for examination. &#39;1 &#39;
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been filled with dark brown colored plastic wood and
one was filled with an uncolorod plastic wood. The
hole containing the uncolored plastic wood was the
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