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TO THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND AMERICAN
VERBERIE. SOBLE STATED THAT HE
FRENCH FRANCS AND KEPT THE REST IN
MONEY HE LATER CHANGED TO FRENCH
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TO DIRECTOR 6 ' '- ' &
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JACK SOBLE., ESPIONAGE DASH R. JACK SOBLE INTERVIEUED AT FEDERAL A »i;
CORRECTION INSTITUTION, DANBURY, CONN., MORNING or APRIL s1xTEEm,F1FTY%
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szvzw. SOBLE ADMITTED INTRODUCING tsfnsn RAND TO JACOB ALBAN EARLY IRA?
NINETEEN FORTYEIGHT. ADMITS MEETING RAND DITH ALBAH ow STREET VICINITES. _= '5 I?. I .*
RAND-S OFFICE AND THEREAFTER ALL THREE HAD LUNCH TOGETHER. SOBLE STATES
PURPOSE OF MEETING WITH ALBAH WAS TO HAVE RANDASSIST IN LOCATING ANERD;
AN WIFE FOR ALBAM. SOBLE TQLDERAND THAT ALBAM WAS SQVIET AGENT AND THEQ.» Jf-__". v
SECURING OF A WIFE FOR ALBAH wAs A sovxsr ASSIGNMENT. ALBAN HAD THEI §§
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ESTABLISH SELF IN US FOR SOVIETS. SOBLE STATED THAT NISCHA PAREN 'mh'3'
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BOTH ALBAN AND SOBLE, HAD REQUESTED SOBLE AS A SOVIET ASSIGNMENT TO
HELP ALBAN FIND AMERICAN WIFE. SOBLE EXPLAINED ALBAM-S SITUATION TO
RAND AND SHE AGREED TO TRY TO ASSIST. HOWEVER, LATER RAND TOLD SOBLE j>_ -2,~- '
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THAT SHE COULD NOT FIND WOMAN FOR ALBAM BECAUSE ALBAM DID NOT "INPRESS_=
INQUOTE HER AS PROSPECTIVE HUSBAND. SOBLE TOLD ALBAM BEFORE INTRODUCTIQ§
TORAND THATRHND HAD WORKED FOR HIM AS SOVIET AGENT AND SUPPLIED "i
INFORMATION ON JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS. SOBLE STATED THAT AT TIME OF fa
INTRODUCTION HE 1<192:Ew';32K"i5 was GOINGON A TRIP TO ISRAEL PAID FOR BY '~f~1 n ,.
HER EMPLOYER AND DENIED HE GAVE§RAND ANY ASSIGNMENT OR REQUESTED DELIVEET
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AS TO WHETHER ALBAM MAY HAVE REQUESTED"RAND TO CONTACT ALBAM-S RELATIVES. . . kt:. Q '. ,
IN ISRAEL. SOBLE STATED THAT MYRA SOBLE, ROBERT SOBLE, AND ALBAM ALL I~ x 1,.-». ;.
IWEU THAT RAND HAD FURNISHED JACK SOBLE WITH INFORMATION FOR THE SOVIETS
SDBLE RECALLED THAT IN ADDITION TO INFORMATION ON JEWISH ORGANIZATIONSa£
..-<RAND ALSO SUPPLIED HIM WITH INFORMATION RE OIL CONCESSIONS IN CONNECTION
._,IHTH THE ARABS AND ISRAEL. SOBLE CLAIMED HE COULD RECALL NO SPECIFIC -E
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DETAILS CONCERNING THE INFORMATION RE OIL CONCESSIONS. RE INTRODUCTION
ORAND TO ALFRED STERN, SOBLE STATED THAT BOTH RAND AND STERN KNEW §
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noSOBLE CLAIMS HE DID NOT PERSONALLY MAKE INTRODUCTION OF RAND AND STERN I
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- _ 1 ,_ ,.-AFTER STERN WAS INTROUDECED BY RAND TO CP FUNCTIONARY, SOBLE HEARD FRONQQI
STERN THAT THE CP FUNCTIONARY KNEW STERN HAD BEEN CONNECTED HITH THE
SOVIETS AND THE FUNCTIONARY HAD A QUOTE NEGATIVE OPINION UNQUOTE OF .Q%=
SOVIET INTELLIGENCE UORK AND TOLD STERN IT HAS BETTER FOR HIM TO WORK
WITH CP. SOBLE CLAIMED THAT RAND 1111: NOT KNOI-I ABOUT zsonowsm, ILYA
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ANYTHING ABOUT BORIS NORROS. SOBLE CLAIMS ONLY PERSONS RAND EVER SUGGE%%%E! To SOBLE ASMSOVIET souRcE's HERE JAMES AND ALICE MARTIN. T_m"ERv1E1-is
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mm. some interviewed 4/16/instant. Deniedknowing if ESTHER RAND received wristwatch from SOBLE.
Stated met BEATRICE SPITZ_. known to her as ATIA VSPITZ,
at home of DINA SOBLE about 1946. During 1948 offered .
to sublet apartment at 630 West 170th Street to SPITZ whocame to inspect it with sister, ALIA LOW BEER ALICE!. ,but they didn't like it. »DINA.'SOB_I.-E gave MYRA LON BEER l
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them. Dr. HENRY SPITZ and BEATRICE were there at that
time. During this meeting SPITZ exhibited photos taken
of their home in US. MYRA denied knowing then where
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saw.
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meeting. Does not know if PETROV met SPITZ. Statbd
SPITZ related they left US because fear of theirbackground being known. onm SOBLE'told mm SPITZ'
were active Communists in Europe. MYRA does not know
if SPITZ' knew JACK and MYRA as Soviet A-gents. "
' Details of 1941 trip er SOBLES from Vilkaviskis
obtained. MYRA SOBIE advised she believedlll_<.fVD or some
othersoviet Intelligence Agency made arrangements for
seams to leave Vilkaviskis but stated she did not know
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t JACK some interviewed a.in., 4/18/57. sosm stated
that in 1950 in Vienna he and MYRA SOBLE made social visit
to home of PAUL and ALICE LOW-BEER. Present at LOW-BEER's
home were BEATRICE and HENRY SPITZ. SOBLE stated thatduring evening BEATRICE SPITZ asked SOBLE what he was doing
ofr *oviets but SOBLE claimed he-did not reply to thisquestion and could not explain how BEATRICE knew he was work-
ing as a Soviet agent. However, SOBLE admits that BEATRICE
knew he was working as Soviet agent.
SPITZES stated to SOBLE that they had left U.S.
hastily because they were Conmmunists and feared difficulty
because of HENRY SPI'I'Z's government job. SOBLE denied that
SPITZES' hasty departure from U.S. mayhave been connected
with disclosures re KLAUS FUCHS or HARRY GODD. SOBLE claims
he does not know whether SPITZES acted for Soviets in U.S.
During visit, BEATRICE SPITZ wanted to give SOBLE
photographs taken at Albuquerque. SOBLE claimed photographswere outdoor scenes showing no buildings but claimed no 4
recollection as to what they did portray. SOBLE, when pressed
on this point could not a dequately explain significance of
photographs or why SPITZ desired them to be tfansferred to
Soviets. -
SOBEE recalled that he had met SPITZES in NY in
1940 when introduced by ROBERT SOBLE but claims he had not
met LOWBEERs prior to Vienna meeting. Said MYRA had met
LOW-BEERS in U.S. SPITZES admitted to SOBLE they were CP
members in U.S. in ustrian Division.
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to SPITZES' photographs and indicated little-_interest in. ..them. ' y I -" ' ",' ,...
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bomb. SOBLE stated that his Soviet contact later referred.jokingly to SPITZ as "Mr. Atomic Information".
SOBLE claimed that SPITZES and LOWBEERS were friends
of ROBERT SOBLE and RQBERT told JACK that PAUL and JOHN LUW*BEER
had worked for Soviets in nurope.
. Prison dentist advised seam on 4/17/57 broke
denture and dentist is extracting tooth Q/1Q/57 as SOBIE
complains of toothache. Dentist advised that extraction
should not effect SOBLE's ability to continue interviews.
Interviews continuing.
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I I E ' CERTAIN THAT THIS HAS THE INDIVIDUAL HE NWT WITH
; ? . G PATROMYHIC or ABROMOV MENTIONED To SOBLE AND soBLE
i §* _ INST BE THE INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE THE RUSSIAN WITH
Y 1? NAME OF DNITRIEVICH. SOBLE REINTERROGATED REE
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Q $7 I%TERIAL. SOBLE INSISTED AGAIN THAT ZBOROHSKI wA$'A
., _=, $IB? - TROTSKYITE, MENSHEVIK MOVEMENT./SOBLE STATED HE HAS
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kg _ CEASED MEETINGS UITH ZBOROUSKI UHEN CHOUNDENKO TOOK
, 4925" 6/-' 92k» %' ZBOROUSKI IN EARLY FORTYFIVE¢ SOBLES MEETINGS WITH,
Z.§I WERE ABOUT EVERY TWO WEEKS BUT TOWARD CONCLUSION OF1,»; 2 £ K
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NE HUNDRED DOLLARS SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE CHOUNDENKO TOOK
coTRoL or ZBOROUSKI. SOBLE CLAIMS DOCUMENTS
NERE HANDHRITTEN IN EITHER ENGLISH OR.RUSSIAN§ BUT~
SOBLE SAID ZBOROWSKI SIGNED DOCUMENTS WITH CODE NAME
AND THAT THESE DOCUMENTS WERE ON PLAINFPAPER AND- 0 .» . -. ',92
ENVELOPE. SOBLE RECALLS THAT Amoc PEOPLE MENTIONED_IN» . . , .
nocumzmré WERE BORIS NIKOLAEVSKI, THEODORE DANN; REA
CF IGNACE REISS, /ELSA BEBNAUTI AND THE DALLINS, ALL
92 , " . . _ ~, ' . ,
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THEN ATTENPTING TO REACH ZBOROUSKI ON TELEPH
WHETHER ANY OTHER PERSON PAD BEEN PRESENT AT ANY
NITH ZBOROUSKI¢ SOBLE STATED NO OTHER INDIVIDUAL
NEETINGS WHEN QUESTIONED AS TO ANY OTHER PERSON
ZBOROUSKI DASH SOBLE PELATIONSHIP, ANSWER IN THE NEGA
THAT SYLVIA DOXSEE AND BOOKER KNEW THE SOVI
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SOBLE ADVISED HE HAD TOOTH EXTRACTED BETWEEN AN AND PM
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PROFESS DESIRE TO SUPPLY FULL INFO AND UHEN PRESSED,
THAT HE MAY COMPLETELY RECALL FULL DETAILS INTERVIEW
COPIES SENT TO NASH FLD, SAN FRANCISCO AND LOS
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THE NAME 0? JOSE NINTZ AND HIS BPOTHER IN BUENOS AIRES
INDIVIDUALS BUT SAID NAME was SHORT LIKE HINTZ¢
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with information re Trotskyites.. » 3 Q .In 1931, at Soviet request, he made trip to Turkeyto visit Trotsky. Ulla and ROBERT SOLE also visited 'Trotsky. JACK reported on visit to Trotsky to Soviets onreturn Berlin. Soviets paid expenses of this trip. Alsolater made trip to Copenhagen but before this trip, made tripto Moscow in 1932 with German student group. In 1932 inGermany after split with Trotskyite Party, SGBLE, because oflack of contacts in Trotskyite movement, finally requested toreturn to Russia by Soviets in harsh, 1933.
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Limited interview had with MYRA SOBIE this
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GEORGE WOLF visited MYRA. Furnished interviewing Agents
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accounts. MYRA complained not permitted to see doctor, nor
to obtain medication to aid sleep. Prison authorities
requested to arrange for immediate examination of MYRA.
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implied threat that she wan emected to work as a Eoviet agent,
or at least not to at-and in way ct JACKs work. She also
received such implied threats upon interview with GBALIQPIN, 1944.10¢ %ated%Br. 8031-E, DIRA 863328, or other relatives do not
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FROM; SAC, new YORK 00-asses! '
SUBJECT: JACK SOBLE, was
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' JACK SOBE interviewed morning and afternoon
April 20, last, at Federal Correction Institution, Danbury.
SOBLE was requestioned on matter previously discussed
for more specific detailed information.
SOBLE said he did not know the manner in which
JACOB ALBAM established contact with the Soviets upon
arrival in US, September 1947. SOBLE said that in
early 1950, ALBAM expressed disappointment in Soviets
and told SOBLE they had promised him diamonds as a means
of nancing his activities. The nature of these
activities unknown to SOBLE. ALBAM told SOBLE he never
received the diamonds. '
SOBIE stated that upon his |:etin'n1'l'4;> US, 1950,
he told ALBAM he had received instructions from Soviets.
to ake over ALBAM as an agent.
. SOBLE stated that upon his return to US, 1952,
ALBAM told him he had not yet been naturalized. SOBLE
suggested ALBAM hire an attorney to check on his status.
ALBAM told him he had already spoken to an attorney at
Hebrew Immigration Aid Society BIAS!, who had made a
confidential inquiry at Immigration and Naturalization
Service and had learned that ALBAM file was at FBI office,
This attozyney-, -or indivjidua1,;_vvhom ALBAM c_1id,nc_t._>j_'d9Vn;bj,fy_to.,.SOBLE, told -ALBAM eth8_.t_,in this circumstagide, 'nothing:icif;2? ; » -"g1§*§@§;?f%;;could; be done, and he_;would have to ._be;_patient, " _ '- ;.;;;';. M1 » ' __ " .'" - Q-" 5 xivY_ . -Y __ .. , -_ . - . .~ '. i 1 I . - 8, s . J, I V M, ,. >. 1 ._ _ _. r . , l .. . ,1 , - _ _ _ s - Bureau 00-zszssaj RAM! i
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referred ZUBILIN as Vassia. SOBIE did not believe ALBAM A
loiew. KOROTKOV, FEDOTOV or PETROVe z I.
- SOBLE stated thathe told ALBAM that BORIS 1;
MORROS and the'STERNS were connected with Soviet Intelligence
and might have told ALBAM the same about the ZLATOVSKIS.
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a petition with MORROS' proposed television company, but
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knew ROBERT SOBLE was working for Soviets. SOBLE also
stated "he did not believe ROBERT knew that YLYA WOLSTON
2 had furnished him JACK SOBLE! with information. '
§ SOBLE stated that he had introduced his
brother, ROBERT, to ZUBILIN. He said that ZUBILIN
introduced ROBERT SOBLE to ZUBILDVS wife, LISA. SOBDE _
stated that ROBERT knew the Professor CHOUNDENKO!, 4
SOBLE stated that the Professor, in 1943, had promised @» .
to furnish ROBERT SOBLE with $5,000 to help SOBLE establish
medical practice. SOBLE stated that the Professor later told
ROBERT that he could not give him any money. SOBLE said that
ROBERT and the Professor had been engaged in an argument
about this with the result that ROBERT SOBLE broke off
relation with the Professor.
JACK scam recalled that in 1947, while in
; Moscow, he related this story to FEDOTOV. FEDOTOV
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commented to him that ROBERT did not work wholeheartedly.. 1
Regarding YLYA WOLSTON, SOBLE believed that '
during World War ll he mentioned to CBILIAPIN that his nephew
was in the army. he recalled that CHALLAPIN than requested
him to contact the nephew YLYA WOLSTON! and have WOEZTON
furnish information. SOBLE said he spoke to WOLSTON -
j at SOBLE's apartment while WOISIUN on leave; explained _ ; _ _
to WOLSTON he was working for Soviets and would like WOLSTON to13 furni sh him with info re his army assignments. SOBLE said '
he told WOLSTON any info furnished by him would be delivered
} -be the Soviets. SOBLE recalled that WOLSTON typed up info
L in SOBLE apartment re Camp Ritchie and then signed report.
- SOBLE said reports consisted of names and personnel, probably
of Russian-Americans at camp with WOISTON.
SOBLE
expenses but not
money to WOLSTONrecalled paying UOLSTON $20 to $40 for
certain as to whether he paid this
on this occasion on on subsequent meeting.
' SOBE recalled WOLSTON gave him a signed receipt
for the money received; receipt was signed in the Name
WOLSTON. SOBLE stated he was never instructed by the
Soviets to pay WOLSTON money.
SOBLE stated WOLSTON supplied information to Him
on return from Alaska. on unrecalled date but prior to
WOLSTON trip to San Francisco in 1945, for UN conference.7
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regarding WOLSTON meeting with CHALIAPIN meeting in 1945
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names of translation officers workingin Berlin. This
info given orally and names written down by SOBLE.
SOBLE next in contact with WOLSTON, Cologne,
Germany, spring, 1950, SOBLE stated WOLSTON must have
initiated contact since SOBLE at that time did not know
how or where to reach WOLSTON. At this meeting
WOLSTON furnished SOBLE names of people who were attending
administration school for possible occupation of Russia.
SOBLE did not see WOLSTON again until end
of 1955 when met him at ROBERT SOBLE's office in NY.
SOBLE admitted introducing ESTHER RAND to
Dr. ROBERT SOBLE. He told ROBERT that had been
lrnishing information to him.
--,,stated that RAND introduced him to ALICE
MARTIN and hi? husband, JAMES MARTIN.,j;. SOBLE said that the
M_AR'1'INS knew that he and JACOB ALBAM were Soviet agents.
SOBLE denied having a contact "Colonel" in
Germany. He stated that his only contact in Germany was
YLYA WOLSTON. SOBLE denied that KARL GEHHARD, ENRIQUE
MAYER, and JAIME JANKELSON were Soviet agents but admitted
knowing all of them.
SOBLE in afternoon complained of the length
of interviews, and laclc of sleep during previous night.. In this interview, Yas previous _ interviews, SOBLE" do ~-', .~ ' - ' ' I. s ' " : <,
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JACK sows: interviewed AM and m, 4/22/51,
at Federal Correctional Institution, Danbury, Conn.
Re ALICE MAR'l§I§T,% SOBLE stated he recalled
that _1£LICE"DFRTIN at a meeting at her apartment on 97th
Street, New York City, sometime during W01-1a War 11, - ,
gave SOBLE a handwritten biography on RICHARD LAUTERBACH,
AI.»IlCE*.*told SOBLE that LAUTERBACH was making a trip to
India. IMARTIN stated that LAUTERBACH was a Connmmist
and would be agreeable to t contact with the Soviets in
India. SOBLE stated that LAUTERBAC-H was given a meeting
place at hotel in Calcutta, where he was staying and
a parole for a meeting with the Sovidzs.
SOBLE stated that ALICE MARTIN told him she had known
LAUTERBACH, but SOBLE did not lcnow the details of their
relationship. SOBLE gave the information from ALICE
MARTIN. on I-AUIQERBACH to CHALIAPIN. SOBLE recalled that
CHALIAPIN expressed interest in this information, but
ALICE MARTIN later told SOBLE that LAUTERBACH had told
her that he was not contacted by the Soviets in Calcutta.
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have "worked for the Soviets prior to SOBLE's contact
with her. SOBIE stated he did not know if LAUTERBACH
was contacted by the Soviets in Calcuttaior lat_e_r_ ;__I_
in New York. SOBLE stated he cannot recall if ALICE-.1?'5 ~. , 1 at ...; .;.... 1: Q '
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MARTIN furnished him with other such reports. Re LEAH MALAMENT,
SQBLE stated it was possibly MALAMENT, whose apartment
SOBLE was taken to by VASSILI ZUBILIN in early 19401.8
and was introduced there to a woman, possibly MAIAMENT.
ZUBILIN described NALAMENT as a frient of the Soviets.
ZUBILIN told SOBLE that this woman's apartment could
be used for SOBLE's meeting with other Soviet agents.
SOBLE stated -the apartment was in the West 70's in
New York City. SOBLE claimed he never met any individuals
connected with the Soviets at the apartment except
at the initial meeting during which ZUBILIN introduced
him to MALAMENT. SOBLE claims he never met this
woman again and never used the apartment. SOBLE
explained that if he had wanted to use the apartment
he was to call the woman and be certain that the apartment
was not otherwise being used. SOBLE states he was
introduced as "SAM". SOBLE understood from ZUBILIN that
ZUBILIN had used the apartment frequently. SOBLE stated
that on one occasion when he was with MARTH DODD STERN
in a restaurant on Broadway and 74th Street, NYC,
awaiting a meeting with JANE FOSTER, MARTHA STERN told
him that she and SOBLE could wait at an apartment that
the Soviets used nearby the restaurant. SOBIE stated
that he believed that MARTHA STERN and ZUBILIN had met
at the apartment in the West 70's. SOBLE stated he could
not recall the exact address of the apartment, but that
it was on the third floor. -
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that it was in either the spring or fall of a year and placed
it about 1945. A - ' '
SOBLE claims that on initial meeting, MORROS, ZUBILIN
and he then proceeded to Chinese Restaurant at Columbus" Circle,
NYC. SOBLE states he was informed by ZUBILIN and MORROS that'
MORROS had a phonographic record company but states he was not
told that MORROS had a partner in the company. SOBLE was advised
that the purpose of the company was to be used as a cover company
~tbep1¢;.ce Soviet agents and that such agents could be used in
US or other countries. However, SOBLE claims that the specific
assignment of such agents was not made known to him.
At the time -of meeting MORROS, SOBLE did not know about
STERN. SOBLE claims that next meeting with MORROS was when MORROS
met him at LA Railroad Station February, 1945! when SOBLE proceeded
LA to attempt to straighten out affairs between MORROS and STERN
in the company. SOBLE recalled that prior to ZUBILIN's departure
from US, ZUBILIN gave SOBLE the name of ALFRED K. STERN, and told
him that when so instructed by Soviets, SOBLE was to telephone
STERN and to meet him. SOBIE did so when instructed. "-
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SOBLE stated that the STEBNS had another Soviet contact,
and he learned from CHOUNDENKO several weeks prior to making
trips, that he must go to LA. SOBLE stated that the
STERN8 must have reported to another Soviet contact and SOBLE
was instructed by CHOUNDENKO to take care of MORROS' and STERNS'
affairs.
SOBLE stated that subsequent to the dissolution of the
STERN and MORROS business, and» when SOBIE was instructed to
to to Washington to meet ANATOLI GROMOV, to take over a Soviet
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"SOBLEste.ted that he introduced C-HOUNDENKO and STERN" inlate 1945 at the corner of Central Park West and 74th Street,NYC. STERN drove CHOUNDENKO and SOBIE to the STERN farm inRidgefield, Connecticut. The introduction was made at STERN'sinsistence. STERN asked CHOUNDENKO'ln recommend other companiesin which STERN could invest money and in which bother STERN couldmake money and the Soviets could use the company for Sovietpurposes. According to SOBLE, CHOUNDENKO could not understand whySTERN, a wealthy American businessman, could not, on his own, S
find such companies for investment.
SOBLE claims he does not know the other Soviet contactsof the STERNS. SOBLE repeated that MARTHA STERN admitted shefurnished information from US Embassy, Berlin, to Soviets in1930's and said ZUBILIN also mentioned this. Said STERNS alsohad, in USm other Soviet contacts, apparently from Soviet Embassyin Washington, where they attended reception. '
SOBIE also repeated that KOROTKOV, in Moscow, 1949,charged SOBLE with failure to turn in report received fromsmnn earlier in 1949. sow: denied to Ionorxov that he receivedsuch reports, but KOROTKOV stated the Soviets had a copy of. 'the report that the STERNS had given to SOBIE. SOBLE admittedto interviewing Agents that in 1949, he had met STERN at_STERN'sinsistence and had accepted a report. SOBLE, however, claims thathe did not read report and did not know its contents. he claims"he did not want to act as messenger for STERNS and did not wishto jeopardize his own security by carrying report to Europe. ASOBLE claims he, therefore, tore up STERNS report without readingit.
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