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1-'3. July 1947
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1- On 12 July 1947, n c 11 war: Y-1: do '=t tlzr, newsnener Office of
{he "Idr ho Lsilv SIT!-<=="-'1n" oi , liho "h~" ofpnper , r.-as lnterviewccl in regard to how well he
knew _ of Ioise, Tdnluo, and as to the credibility of
any ."bFli_'!"» l'1t movie 1_" The Ourpose 0!" this interview I55 an
attev--at to verify Str92t1'r:0ntS node l>y0n 26 June 1947,
to vrricms notional news services to the ef'|"ect. that he,
had s"et1 9 objects f"l}rin_g in the nir above the "ascede Hountain Rangeof We -.11in;'_ton. 1'hc so objects were subsequently referred to as flying 4
saucers or flying disks and will here-inaf5er be referred to as such
in this report. $+.sted tht he had I-:no1-in rm-
quite n period of ti--we, hm/in{' had r '1ntin'n': with on various
occnsinrs, due to the fact that both he and
were orvste Fliers and frequently got together to talk shop-
stetnd that as fer rr. he was r-on:-horned anyt1inr_ said could be - .
tr'.1"'*n '¢."~ry seriously nnd that 11'! scizuall believed that Hr.
Arnold hvd seem the rforerertloned llring dlsks. stated that
after _.-@;~.=r+.¢d Eevini seen the flying: dfsks, that the editor
of -".3" pr-_*92<2r Md Hs5'="r.ed P-in, the assignment of taking the
nirjslr-w oelon,",ir1{; tr the nz-::s;-:1; ;r aw: 93-h:=u$tinf_ P11 efforts to prove "
or disjrove th probrbilitf of flying disks hevinr been seen in the
!:o1t92w.--:»r1I". area. The results of 1.11s rssi,"_n".e:':t to _and what
he sn»s¢quen'1'.l}.' sm" s put forth "1 a sworn statement signed t
nttr 0..-r! to this report as 'lxhibit 5.
' .'-.[, T'f; .;-..1*::s= is 0 e'"n 0?
uric. on all "-fZTfO.!'!§"1'lE.'-. he is r verr
-mf: logged P300 hours of 1"1§.'inI"_ tinr in various types of airplanesuv to P" I including; -u1tie vii!--2 rYrcr"Ft. 'mrir1;i hart of the war years, & rheoning assigned to 6the z'E*1';i0th USA!-.}:" and st"-tinned on rinian Isl-.nc1, in the Pacific. It '"
t1== = =rs-an-"ll 0-i aetuslly sew
w!;r+. he stntes that he sn? in t'r1~:> nttnr-hed 1¬nc~rt- It is also the Opinion
of tiw interviewer ill!-"t Would hove *1-.v:h were to lose than gain
em 92.'-"u'l '.'- hm-". to be very str0T."_1j convirlce-'92 thnt he actually saw something
hr2f'or" 1" '-ould r".:92r'921'i. s'H".l| rm invidezwt mm! open himself for the ridicule
timt '0uId ncr*.or|pnj.' such P report.
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1-Io . . _eee and photograph a flying disc. Conduct this petrol for so long a tii é"-if-i.'..:';'
T _ In eeoordenoe to these instructions, I toot the Statesnen's airplane, i,~7_.;-_';-,-_ .' and withqes passenger, flee a seven and one-half hour nission -1-1.".'a}.,;io on tho seventh dev o July, l9i'l. This saission was without result. It -':=-L':-"'.f"'' -
end territory betwcon and around Ett. Rainier and Sit. Adams, uher , '-__;, 1first reported seeing objects henceforth described as saucers or discs. ' -: _;92 - On the eighth day or July, ion, 1 tool: an at-s of the noun Fighter f_'§2fi~5:-'-';'; * squadron, Idaho lletioncl Guard, oi ihich 1 an a member, and flew to nortiiern
l .to Boise by trey of Falls Falls, Tashington, and Pendleton, 0|-egon_._ Unissearch also no negative. ' a_ ~n A .~ '-" ".'_;_"j';'j-,...f-=f'.';*_*
On the ninth day of July, 1947, I continued the search, ags-in using a 1;; £{_-;"_ 1-_--".
national guard Al-6, this time centering =g' efforts ovei-'the 0:-yhee mountains
rest and southwest of Boise, a portion of the llountain Bone desert on a track _,,f'
southeast of the ountain lions army sir base, thence into the Saartooth noun- ,;,.,teins, and heck in the general direction of Ioiec on a line carrying; no well 17."-_to the north of the 5hafer hutte forest service lookout station, into the .0 _ -
Tsorseshos Bend area, and thence heck in s southwesterly direction to I. point "_',_""'.:' '
between Boise and the village of iieridisn, rest of Boise a fer Iilese ,o,.»-a--..~:'.._<;.-.1.
"' During this march, which lasted approximately two and one-half ;..;_-_,..;...-.'.'_'--.e.£'-hours, I lee under and around rapidly forming cumulus clouds over that '0-_" _;_'-area known as the Canes Prairie, east of Boise. fhe clouds were near the :5 -'»-'1;"
. yillage of ?airfield in that valley, and F-airfield is 76 exiles airline ;,;f._,_'; ___~._ _
- distanoe east of Boise. it that time I saw nothing in the vicinity of .--,--_" V __~ these clouds. - ' " 1 ' o~:I.. "' .'*.,._':|.i;'_-if "-
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flying at an altitude of 14,000 feet mean sea level, Ihioh would he a mean--'n I: 1 ;-
average of 11,000 feet above the earth in this ares, not considering errors fr--'-_'-_'
in the altimeter induced either by barometric changes since sq takeoff, 0r,_;-"_ -.1; '-' by the tee:-aersturs at that altitude. Y"-o Q 3', "
'0? I turned the aircraft on an easterly heading, pointing toward Goeen .r .,': 'jg. Field, and had flown on that course for perhaps a ninute when there suddenly _ _'j,'__' appeared in the left hand portion of my field of vision an object nh_i_ch_§s _"f-A "jf"-""- hlect and round. ' " - ' . *' - ' .. '1' T _f'I»;;":_?'?l.-1'-;'..__ _-_T_}_
- I immediately centerod vq gaze on the ohjeot-. At that tine, due to itserre ic uoveocnt, I thought 'I was seeing; a weather hclloon. I oolled
CM" eoizunicetion station at Boise, and asked if the weather station l|al_1!'.f."_Ii.'T"_, .. receltly released e balloon. The reply from comunioator llherteon one that.;--.-_ 4-:--.
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d back the plexiglass covering to avoid uni; If,
soeo Jo duration of eight millimeter motion picture film. Duringéiie
the imc the camera was at eye level, I could not sec the object be-r§-
cause of ninuteneas of scope introduced by the optical vice findcrggie
with which the camera, an f.l.9 Eastman, was eouipped.'*~;ié5£~2Z??1§*
Taking the camera eeay and once again centering up gaze on th_
object, I observed it to roll so that its edge
et thie tine it fleshed eeee ie the senlights
thin black line. It then performed u maneuver
had begun e sloh roll, or s barrel roll, chich
pleted, was broken off at about the 160-degree---~-= -n
distir~tion,"too1: my camera from the map case, and exposed abeut._].Q',f-", T,
ca: presented to =e.;;;
Lt then eppeered es eIuoich looked as if it.-
instead of being con-,
point. The object "1 _rolled out of the top of the maneuver at this-point, and I lost sight?
of it' . This entire porfordonce was otaerved against the background of-;
cloud 2 3-rev! 0|-sly Iorminz
to_ce, relatively, es the
knee hoe for sec; it vac.over the beans Prairie. The dejoctiappeored -
size of n twenty-five cert piece._-i do not
.1 do not tne:, nor can I trvthfullg estizgte
its speed. I can only so: it ea: not an airplane, and if it nos st.a
very great distance from me, its speed use great, taking into consider-
ation that apparent speed is reduced to thc'viencr if an object is 1 _.very great distance sway. ' ' ~ ' ~ "~ >*";
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the object. The CA5: lo;
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have s recording ofIthe PU PP 98 3
rapid treneviszion
was on aesignnent c
zltting the ieforxetion snd ! conducting a further search, ¬hich.I _
did after landing f
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first one,
thprou;hl3
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the rcgi'C'Glli;01;' - ,3: " .- _ - - _-
aircraft in tie area. There was s E-51 or tee 120th squadron practic-mr clock to deternine tte enact tire I can
of radio contacts shoe: an first eestect "
t 12: 7 hours. Eu: a fez second: elapsed betneen
. the object, end the time I called the'3at's-stati 1.lg re1ete§_evcr te radio E33E?IpEi0a of that I 2?;
the conversation. I have not checked to uctcresne.
of my relating over the air that I so: was to Enable
of the report to the neeepapcr, for ot_thet time I
nd 4: energies thcnceforth were devoted to ll trans-
er fuel and to note seae telephone calls. '-,;i fY"=
rob, begun within half an hour after landing from the
another too hours, tut nos negative. -1-explored
on chore I can the object. A1-1- . -~
after ci itin, tro object, I asked if t cre were othzz
113 maneuvers in the vicinity 0f_uupa, but that nus behind uc.- 4.6-32
yaased over Loiae, but I sue that aircraft 50 beneath ue kg some 2,000
feet. The P-bl in the vicinity of tuna proceeded ta the srea'dhere'1
saw the abject, at_n5 request, and conducted e search.
Puring the afternoon, flights of P-Els core sent out to
and £2919: then flee high altitude aiesioni 01 ezggen."It was negative.
cover tto_erec,,ihese searchesQ-_-glue. ggagiyo. - , _- _.-. _. _, .__, -,. _~¢_, f-"P" 7 - .,=,=§'§i*;-,1.-i-'..'?6I-'%1r.;._..'---,--_§ cos subsequently informed that personnel on both the Ihited iir
Lines side of dozen ficl, and on the national guard side, observed 1
gleek object maneuvering in front of the sane cloud forestion, which t:
nor had grown so that the clouds reached a protablc height of 19 CO0 or20,000 feet from s can base of ll.-,500 or l-1,000 feet, moan see level.
Three of these men more national guard personnel and 1 talked to them,
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." _-,'!"askin3 them to describe that thcys-rs, before telling, thera'|::;1 story, _ .
in order to avoid suggestion or inference oi'.a leading nature. r-'I,'hey', -"
sac the ohject from the ground! while I was on my second seirch. -5'"
they believed the time to have been 14:00 hours. £110 objectpertormed
_ _ in the sane erratic manner, they told, as I obecrvcd._1';<T'-:1-I_'j{5?;~Lj;_;-?-:.t" U _.
l=w&° r " "°=' in <>r¢=r.. , - . " I have approximately 2600 hours of flying time in oqulpmont*:,¢;;_;
, if.--- rang, ng fronrpriazory trainer: to -I--29:. Oi course, that doe: not1n'-"5 ''~ -11" "I The above is the extent ct the story, and inrormationc'oncernlng
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crease my powers oi ohcervation except as to those 1-rocticed daily hyf.
_ f an airman. It does not make my eyesight any sharper except ag,ain_as ,;-~-
_-;_. _a to the incidental demands upon the eyes Oi Ii pilot. ,--.'i;-erg;r;-:--_-=._E" 57> -'" At the time of the experience related above, I had flown tour-»' '
_ _ teen and one-half hours on an lssignment to rind a disc and if-possible, to photograph it. In all frankness, I was tired. I may have been - .-
1." sufrering, although slightly, from cant of oxygen. - _ _._'11,;T';,;j__fj1;§,]r' _' Prior to sighting the object, I had concluded there was no point
92 in pressing, the search that I probably would never see the disc-like -_ _ ' objects referred to byband by Ft United air Lines.
""' '~ tr r d and the two -1 ~ a :_,; - alt all tines during; th- searck:,'ho on .a- ' . ' . _..-: ' proceeding day-s [particularly when _I ca: with ibad lrterallyé¢* - - talked to myself to keep boating into my head hat I would not fall,"-;_; '
- ' victim to the pacer oi suggestion or self-hypnosis arising from a "
' naturally very intent desire to find a disc and bring success -to the .-
'_assi,-grunent given us. _ - - "1
- - I therefore do not believe that I was the victim or sug,gestion_'
_ or hypnosis. 1 an familiar ti th the optical illusion of a fixed object
.- - beginning to more after it is watched a suilficicnt length oi tine. I
. knee s.-hat tricks the was will play as to moving-bodies, and hat: le arnei
. o.f- this particularly during night formation flying. -~,-_-._¢_-;_
.- ' - I saw the object appear suddenly. if it had novod in a Jerky 1 .
fashion as it did at first} for the full length oi time I observed -1t,
_ I would not he, so strong in saying; that I sao something not an aircraft,
_ _ not a balloon, and not a corpuscle moving acres: the retina oi either
-1 eye. 'i'h_e maneuver described ty the object than its edge was presentedt to nae convinces me that I can an object actually performing in an; '" " 'ti tli .ht th - ~_ é crra c 5 pa . _ _ - _ _ _ - p_ _ The question remains, oi -course, 'a at r I w it. 'The motion -; "'-r picture Iilzp, develencd and processed E]-F in the Eastman= = laboratories it 241 hatter} Street, San rancisco, showed no trace oi .
any object. says that it it ass more than a mile distant tron use"I at the bite described, the object would not have registered suffic-
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1. On 12 July 1941, -01 the United Airlines, wasi11§.¬PI Vi.892'-'0d at the Boise I-Iunicipol Airport, Boise, Idaho. EDries passing through B so on a schedule flight at the time and hada EU minute sto -over. breitcr-=.t st . - p .. ed the atements originally
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1- far 10 Jul; 1947, a clzoch was rn-Io at the fO].10'.'Jin[_; locations
in Palv Sprin;":92, Califonmia for the ;>1u'puse oi trying to locate.Pa1m Springs Police iwaportment, Palm Springs Newspaper,ho Desorl: Sm", Palm Sf.~rin_rjs '-Tater '3ompav;,', Southern California Gas &Cc-mpa1~.v Pair Sprin-f_S Telephmm Compaq, Palm Springs Ilnploymont 0i'1'ice,b
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if a porson 11zn.ior1~hac1 ever lived in Palm Springs. astntod timt -he to the iaot tint Paltj Springs is a resort ares and
dwc to the foot; that in the s1:_|un.er no the only 3 to 5 thousand people resided
in Palm L>p1"io;'r-, who:-cos in tho 92-:5;-.t-or months 10 to 12 thousand resided in
Izxlm S;'1'ir..g's, 5: *.':r.s very possible ti:--_t_oou1d have lived in
I::.L-r. 3_I>1i1'S nrr-o or loss on 21 nozx-;~~:~r~:mr_o1~t status and he, not
being a'.'.'e.r"92 of it. f
A choolc of Caro-rc.l Deli"-rory records revealed a letter addressed to
Po1.1 5pri::_;o, -miled from Cicero, Indiana, postmarked11'; Cicero, l*:c92.i'>_:~o, July 1967, at I47". The l'C'i;'IIr ad:-ress on the
or-rolopo o }.i<f:<':c-I as tho Cicero, Indiana;
io:-mitte the contents oi ?.';1e eirvologse to be examizlod i.no.smuoh
cc the ocnl-oxats 92';z92.:: 3rd Class nato:'i'~.1 1;-rd the envelope not sealed. The
records were oi a religious :=z.t=.1ro c=;-.ccrr@in,;'_ tho sod pl§.;_'ht of American
no1oln1rcI1 ;_1o-'31:-, .'.<o soc_c~r;q__q~3:1iz 5?; oi Christ and etc.
us =*~.1-mctocl by '.nd stated that there wast
'.'.'F»f.?- ho" roonived 1-ail t3~.ron;;h the =_'e="-.o1'o.1 delivery office of the
Palm Spriv := inst L fico, but that the loot mail, other than the letter
mentioned :-.':r*1", o.-.-~.r- thrc~'::qh tho Post Oifice o= roximetely two years ago.
"rho ::-,-.o-ion. to have :1 vorx 'J17C6.HH§» moznory and reeelled -92'.'!1r1|'0 L»-I: 11 -ti-'*i=92' in 10 1-"xd '..mr_-n achlrossod 120- This 3'38-11 W0-5
n= <11-uscod '0 in 0:.-ro oi 0. L1"'L:1lU! camp loco»-ed in Palm _ KSpr.L:'il s. "a r"92]lii. tho trailer comp office, it was found thatq
~u:.d 11.-.'w_! irt the oo:'1p1_ but dept-1-tor] a[rprc»;'.i.mal;e1y two years ago an
jr,:'.'IEU'<.'i"'I mldross. Im'os{;i J':'.tic-n is continuing; in an effort to '
locate =d obtmr n. state.---ut from him-
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1 " ' tr -A __ _ o months, twenty six non as'dut- in -the 1.-ro, and has been 1:' the Air Corps for about ten months. tated{I that on B July- 1. -_ -1947, he was going to Base Cleaners from h s o co and was passing #1
.:_ A _ alongthe sidewalk near the barracks oi the ORD h _ v: en he saw five or sis._ -- men pointing, toward the sky b t, u as he was use to this around anlrnu
- Air Base he id __ __ , pa no further attention to it until a lieutenant and s _' ca t 5. 'p a n ahead or him stopped and pointed in the same direction. He '3 -'7
-stated that on glancing up he sea three object: traveling northeast -
cry. , -flight off!-80s and he estimated the altitude between B-l0,000~teet'.LLf-. v and approximately 7-10 miles away. qtated that the tile ---Ii' objects in. the lead appeared to be round an o a very light gray color
while the object in the rear seemed t b '~~' '_ o e either rotating or rolling1, behind the other two. ststed that tron a distance he could' " not tell e tl _ ; xac y the shape oi the one which was rolling as "it sppeared_' ' to be turning; over-rand he couldrt tell another the object was flat. ._The only means be had or identifying it was the tact that it seemed to
get brighter and darker as it appeared to roll-._' The objects were in
__. . sight approximately _1our seconds. As he was in a bur hry, e did not stag- - _t_o talk to the other nan but be heard one of them remark that the one i:
_ the rear was certainly rollin, Iast as unable to id - " ea entii'_-_ any of the other men in the group who -::ere'repor J3 to have seen the
object. tated that it e __ Q9 ' as unlike anything he had ever scmI th_at__he haeMAeentryin§ to convince himself that it was an optical" III Ar: n O-
; ' as described. See Exhibit -I!. . - _ _ . -- . - . -I . . '.--- "'1" it '1' '¢T'..*_.::'::i_J.T--1.3" -'--;'Z--.-._'- -T f H013: F-appears to be intelligent and is a rese d sort oi . rve
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Director, FBI {92ttenti,on_;______?_B,I Labora_t_oq
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' Reference is made to ureau le_tter.r1a,_tgd__July 21, l9£._'_?, addressed
to Yrs. Hicksv1I[e Lon. Island New I 5 3York, a copy of 1-'hiCh was sent to tne I-ew wk Office. 7
Hrs ..'.'ras interviewed by Special Agent
on August 12, 191.7, at which time she advised that this coded message :1
anpeared in "Z92Ie1-rsday," the local newspaper of Nassau and Suffolk County,
Long Island, New York. She stated that the message had aopeared in the
"County Irritant," a feature of this paper, and had been signed Padio Haw."
"r. ";fews.'3a_'r," Eiempstead, New York,
was interviewed and advi sed that this article had been sent to the newsoaner
by letter which was signed "Radio Ham," and explained that he had no way ofdetermining the identity of the writer. }.'.r.?stated that it was his
opinion-_that the code had been made up by some ocal "screwball" who hadbeen affected by all ofghe newspaper publicity that had been given at that-I time to the story about flying discs.
There is enclosed an article appearing in the July 12th issue of
"I92'ewsday" concerning this coded message, which rnigrht be of interest in this
matter.
Unless advised to the contrary, no afurthar effort is being; made
to establish the -identity of the person who signed himself "Radio Ham."
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above captioned individual dated July I0, 19b7, in which she
inclosed a newspaper clipping signed qadio Ham. This news- m m,-
paper clipping contained a coded message which ]L'rs._decoded. The FBI Laboratory checked li'rs._l decoding of £
this message and advised that it was substantially correct. The _
Laboratory's decoding of the message is being set forth below:2! :£an.'. Tan:. i-.20:Hesse
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- "TIRED OF HUIHN NCHSEHSE $OHT AJAIT AQCJIC JAR
DISQUPTIHG GREEK SCLAR SISiEi'SO SENT IQZIQG
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Z115 IBIS YEAH. ,
. 1,; "cThe New York Office was asked to interview .L'rs. t!
determine from what newspaper the clipping in question was obtained.
They were further instructed to contact this newspaper in an efort
to ascertain the identity of the person who sent in the coded message,
in order that the person might be interviewed for informationfarncerning
the alleged receipt of the coded message.
_ By letter dated September b, 19h , York Qfice
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County, Long Island, New York. The City Editor of this news- -
./'paper stated that the original had been signed only Radio Ham and '
knew of no way of determining the identity of the writer. It was the _
City Editor's opinion that the code had been made op by some local
"screwball"'who had been affected by all o
that had been given to stories concerningthe newspaper
"flying
FBI Laboratory has new advised that maintains
their amateur records by a gBOgruphiCG1 breakdown as well as by call
letters and that the Laboratory could possibly get the names of all
anateurs in the Bellnore, Long Island, New York Section in the event
it is desired that another atteqpt be made to identify the person whod H publicityiscs.
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Here is your message: TIRED OF
H-U M A N NONSENSE WONT
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LIP WORLD UNDER MARTIANS
LATE THIS YEAR.
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--Stephen M. Schuster.
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PtnmngtonReference is made to the memorandum to you frog: the Liaison
Section dated July 21, 1947, setting forth a request from Colonel]l'r.'Q'.:lnn tillfclo. Boon of the Intelligence Division of the War Department for theh ?L:T;."§§"1.§.-s-~
discs. .tBureau to conduct investigation to determine the origin of the flying
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"It is felt that the situation regarding these flying saucers and
flying discs is very similar to the situation which was previously encountered
Icy the Bureau during the past war in handling complaints arising out of the
sighting of Japanese baloons. You will recall that at the inception of these
complaints the Blreau conducted considerable investigation and located numerous
baloons as a cooperative measure for the Arnur and that after considerable work
had been done, the Army then informed that these were military weapons and that
they would take over the handling of these completely. This they did and in an
extremely short time issued s big press release as to the splendid work of-the
Army i.n locating these Japanese baloons. From the information available thus
far, it does not appear that these discs should be treated other than as a ; _
military weapon. Certainly the Bureau has no way to determine what experiments 'the Amy and Navy are conducting and whether such might be arising out of K
experiments being conducted by them nor do we have any way of determining how i
e the results of experiments by the Russian Army. It short, it would c¬r"tainlyappear that this is a military situation and should be handled strictly ty g
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In this connection it might be pointed out that our present Portland
case arose out of the fact that two Arnw Intelligence officers were returning
__.__._'__ffroman interview of two individuals who reportedly had seen flying discs. If
he Army Intelligence officers are handling some of these interviews, it is be-Fleved that they should be handling all of these interviews, and it is not
beiieved that the Bureau should be expending its precious manpower on these com-
plaints which thus far have no connection with our Russian espionage program.
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looking for than we are and have more facilities for handling any material which
it is necessary to examine as a result of its being reported as a remnant oi a
flying disc. It is believed that the Bzreau is merely playing bird-dog for the
Army by using our manpower to run out these complaints on flying discs.
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. . . _ Forces Intelligence, was of the same opinion. ,,_V _. .~_ , _
_. Colonel _ stated that he based his assumption on the ' "
~' following: Be pointed out that when flying objects were reported seen over
-IL _Sweden, the high brass" of the liar Department exerted tremendous pressure '
on the Air Forces Intelligence to conduct research and collect information - "
1 'in an effort to identity these sightings. Colonel stated that, in " -
; 4 contrast to this, In have reported sightings of unknown objects over the i FUnited States, and the "high brass" appeared to be totally unconcerned. 1 7Q
Z 1 ' He indicated this led him to believe that they knew enough about these ' I ' fobjects to express no concern. Oolonel* pointed out further that the '
~ e objects in question have been seen by many dividuals who are what he
terms "trained observers, such as airplane pilots. lie indicated also that
"several of the individuals are reliable members oi the couzmnity. He stated '
' it is his conclusion that these individuals saw something. He stated the _
above has led him to come to the conclusion that there were objects seen ' ' ,'
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extremely embarrassing to the Air Forces Intelligence if it later is learne§I; ~- a .,
that these'£.1y'ing discs era, in tact, an experiment or the United States ow
Government. ' ' . -- - "1 ." ¢!experincntations are being conducted by the United States Government, then it "
_ It-. suhsequently discussed this nattersith ColonelPi the nce Division oi the War Department. Oo1onel¬ Qthat he had discussed the matter previously with General Chamber _Golo¥l, indicated to Ir.-that he has the assurance of General =,_ _" _ _ -l_ .. ' sit I _ ' . t . ~- I #2. .~ _" lanoonnsn
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Refer San Francisco letter dated September 1+, l9l+7. '
, Portland, reported
without cons mg any records that on une 21+, 19b7, While prospecting at a
point in the Cascade Mountains approximately five thousand feet from sea level,
during the afternoon he noticed a reflection, looked up, and saw a disc pro-
ceeding in :1 southeasterly direction. Inmediately upon sighting this object
he placed his telescope to his eye and observed the disc for approximatelyforty-five tb sixty seconds. He remarked that it is possible for him to piclcé
up an object at a distance of ten miles with his telescope. At the time the-
disc was sighted by Kr. it was banking in the sun, and he observed
five or six similar objects but only concentrated on one. He related that
they did not fly in any particular formation and that he would estimate their
height to be about one thousand feet from where he was standing. He said the
object was about thirty feet in die.meter.and appeared to have a tail. It made
no noise.
According to _ he remained in the vicinity of the Cascades I
for several days and then returned to Portland and noted an article in thelocal paper which stated in effect that a man in Boise, Idaho, had sighted a
Similar object but that authorities had disclaimed any knowledge of such an
object. He said he conmunicated with the M-nu; for the sole purpose of attempt-
ing to add credence to the story furnished by the man in Boise.
. _als0 related that on the occasion of his sighting the objects
on June 21+, 19L? he had in his possession a combination compass and watch. Henoted particularly that immediately before he sighted the disc the compass
acted very peculiar, the hand waving from one side to the dither, but that this
condition corrected itself immediately after the discs had passed out of sight.
Informant appeared to be a very reliable individual who advised that
he had been a prospector in the states of Montana, Washington, and Oregon for
the past forty years.
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office, at which time a Special Agent of the Federal Bure of Investigation no p »be designated to "accompany him to interviewi who had previously '
- reported the photographing of a flying disc. The orders further indica.ted_92 that '
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_ of RHODES. SAC ICDEBALL stated that in connection with flying discs, he had main-
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July '7, 1947:
A storm had occurred in Phoenix on the afternoon of July 7, 1947,
and the clouds were at approximately 5000 feet, the color of which was grey
and they resembled dense cumulus. A fifteen mile per hour wind was blowing.
At approximately 5 p.m. on that date, It:-..was walking from his home
to the and he heard a noise resembling a P-B0 aircraft, apparently
coming in a westerly direction. Upon searching the skies he observed to the
northeast what appeared to be an odd shaped ship. He described this ship as
being possibly 20 to 30 feet in diameter, traveling at an estimated speed of100 miles_per hour. It appeared to be making a spiral in a small radius of 5possibly one-half to three quarters of a mile. _Stated the sound which
he first heard was no longer audible; that he hurriedly procured a 120 Brownie
Box Camerafrom his shop, and as the aircraft completed the first circle he
obtained a photograph. As the ship started on the second turn, it was in a
northwesterly direction from his place and he again snapped a photograph, which
more closely resembled the shape of the ship than photograph #1, this being
designated as Exhibit II, as submitted to the Bureau with letter dated August
1,, 1947, by the Office of Assistant Chief of Staff A-2 Intelligence, Hamilton
Field, California. - further described the di-rection of the ship by,
stating that instead of completing the lefthand downward spiral the ship banked
to the right and disappeared into the clouds. He stated that just as it banked,
he had snapped the second photograph, Exhibit II.and herelated the
at the last mint, which was at theestimted it to be between 1,000 and 2,000 feet high. He further des- eé 7
cribed the appearance of this ship as closely resembling a picture which appear
on the front cover of the May, 1947, issue of the Mechanics Illustrated Magazine,
ne only difference noted by Mr.-being that the ship appeared to be fly-
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this ship with the numerous reports of flying discs. He related, however, that
after s three minute interview with newspaper reporters the storv that appeared '
in the local papers was "blown up" to the extent that he,_ barely recog-
nized the information furnished by him. llr-explained that the afore-mentioned dimensions and distances were only estimated, pointing out, that his A 96
previous experience probably assisted him in making fairly close estimates. He
related that he had been doing experimental. work for the past ten. years. He
also stated he was anployed at the Naval Ordnance laboratory, Washington, D. C.
during the early {art of World War II and left there the beginning of 1942.
Upon his return to Phoenix, he was employed at Falcon Field near Phoenix which
was -leased by the British Government for training purposes. He instructed in
instrument training, aircraft identification and gunnery practice. He explained
. that his hobbies have Ito do with science, physics, radio, electronics and astronomy.
"He produced a model which he had made of a radio controlled airplane. He related
that most of his work consists of building transformers, but it is also necessary
for him to depend upon his music abiliiy for his livlihood.
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stat-edtl-at he was surprised that the object appeared dark on a light back-
ground; that he ly expected that the object would be light on a dark back-
ground. He described the light spot which appears in the center of the object Ezdiibit II! as being a green house. insisted that the ship made no Anoise that was audible to his ear and he was unable to detect the presence of 75
any propeller. He also related that after the newspaper release over Radio '
Station RTAR, wherein statements were made that he, had stated A1-my
officials were studying the photographs, and that it was a top secret, he
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told him that it was a United Press release from Washington, D. C.
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identied himself as an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation ande,x.hibited his credentials. However, pursuant to a request from 561'. he
was introduced only as a representative of the United States governmen . His
exact official connection was not made known to Mr. Agent- advised
that he felt it was a peculiar procedure, but it was not his business. However,
at the conclusion of the interview, llr. "requested In-.-to furnish 'him with the negatives andstated he iould be glad to do so, but they
were not in his imnediate possession, and he would deliver thg to the FBI the
followin morning Ir. requested that the negatives be returned to himAgent? states that to thi request, llr. made no reply. Agent
state that after leaving Hr e asked if the negatives would be
returned to Hr. and stated that he doubted very much that they wouldbe returned. Hr. P en advised llr.~that before he , wouldaccept these negat ves that must be advised of Hr. identity and
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Axuw and that he would not get them heck.
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Dear Sirs: -
At 5:40 P.M. to-day I observed a so-called flying
saucer. Tnis occurred wnile 1 was nalf way up Rix Ledges
north of Lebanon, N. H. As I was intently watcning tne
noney bees circling in a patcn of sky after leaving my
bee box my attention was called to a floating object that
appeared to be as large as a tennis ball and as wnite as
cotton batting. This object apnroacneo rapidly and noisoleasly
from the East an was followed closely by another object
that appeared in size and snape like a
a constant angle of inclination to tnesaucer which maintained
ball and followed it
at a constant oistance. Tue two objects mace an angle with
my eye of approximately five aegrees. Tney were in my vision
for more than a minute wnen I lost them in tne glare of the
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telescope I would nave tnougnt tnat tne planets Venus and
Saturn nae suddenly gotten togetner ana were traveling
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vicinity of Twin Falls, Idaho, on or about August 19, 1947. Colonelat that time indicated to m-. "that he would check with the Anny .-mt
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writing. The objects were grouped in approaimately an arc about level
the sun and to the left of the sun as viewed by They did
change positions during the 3 or 4 minutes which she pbservsd them but
of the larger of the objects appeared to rotate ra idl in thF
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TRIANGULAR FORNATION. BETWEEN TWENTY AND TWENTY FIVE MINUTES AFTER
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OVER THE CITY VERY RAPIULY AND PROCEEDING IN A SOUTHUESTERLY DIRECTION.
AT THIS TIME INFORNANTS STATED THE OBJECTS APPEARED IN GROUPS OF THREE,
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THE THIN FALLS PD, A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, NHO ACCONPANIED BY
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OBJECTS FEYING IN FORMATION OVER THE CITY IN A SOUTHNESTERLY DIRECTION-
INFORNANTS, ALL REPUTABLE CITIZENS THIS
HEIGHT OF OBJECTS OR SPEED, BUT CLAIMED
FLYING SAUCERS. THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE!
OBSERVED WERE NOT THE LANDING LIGHTS OF
NONE OF THESE OBJECTS WERE SEEN T0 CONECOMMUNITY, UNABLE T0 ESTIMATE
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ANY SOUND.AS THE OQNK ABOVE OBJECTS PASSED OVER THE CITY. INVESTIGATION
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The following investigation was conducted at Canyonville and
Llyrtle Creek, on August 12, 194?.
Roseburg, Oregon, operator
Creek, Oregon, advised that on 3-6-47 at
approximately while instructing a student in a take off at the airport,
he noticed an object east of Myrtle Creek which appeared to be from 5,000 to
8,000 feet in the air. The sky was completely clear and visibility was -.
excellent. He stated that the object glistenod and appeared to be of aluminium
sheeting. Upon noticing it he had immediately taken over the controls of the
plane which at that time was at £00 feet, and proceeded East in an attempt to
further observe the object. He advised that the object appeared to beclimbing and traveling East at s. high rate of speed v1hich_he estimated on a b '
computer in hi plane as 1,000 miles per hour. He believed the object to be
spherical in shape and recalled noticing a darker object to the right the first
time he aw it. He observed no vapor trails nor did he hear any noise from the
object. After s arching the area for approximately l0 minutesqandhis student returned to the airport and made another landing andtake off. In practical y the same position at 400 feet altitude, both
*5-l"i. 5¢'i'IV the object in approximately the same position as seen before.
He estinnted the sphere to be 30 feet in diameter and stated when they first
observed it it appeared to be so near he could fly right to it. However, the
object sightéd the second time disappeared in the same manner as the first had.of the
rIt is noted that _served as a Lieutenant JG in the u. s. Naval by
air Corps for about 3% years, flying constantly on the Atlantic submarine patrol.
He is a reputable citizen in Douglas County and is reported to be a qualified
pilot.
_ Myrtle Creek, Oregon, verified the above information
as Furnished by stating that the first object sighted had been
called to his attention when_ took over the controls of the plane atabout 40o feet following his take off, but that they had both sighted the ,
object on the second take off at the same time. _described the object A
as a, "silver ball or balloon which he believed to be B miles east of Myrtle
Creek, traveling East, and climbing very fast until it disappeared in approximately
45 seconds. estimted the sphere as being 50 feet in diameter and
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The Director advised on August 14, 1947, that -
the Los Jngeles papers were carrying headlines indicatingthat Soviet espionage agents had bgn instructed to
determine the facts relative to th flying discs. The
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by the American Military. The articlefurther recalled that
during the recent war pieces qf tin foil had been dropped
in the air for the purpose of af setting the value qf radar
being used by the enemy forces and that these aluminum discs
night be a new development along this line. The Director
inquired as to phether the Bureau had any such information.
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