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my be others like FUCIi3"- Immediately upon opening that subject, however, "
CESON said that he had no documentary proof tor angrot his statements and , -
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the high place that he had held in the British Atomic Energy setup. He stated '-that he believed that FUCHS was assisted in obtaining and holding the high 1%
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and the British Scientic Field is riddled with "soi.ree pinks", "parlor pinks"and just plain Communists. Further, he thought that "he knewethat the British ..?=_
Home Office records mrrently show that FUCHS had some to Great Britain in P1932 or 1933 from Gemany as a Comunist refugee. Moreover he stated that . -
many other individuals nor in the scientic field in England had come to Great
Britain during the period oi 1932 - 1935 as Comunist refugees. cificelly '
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to the world in general that detection of FHGHS under those circuoe anceedifficult if not l.IpO8B1bl6e He stated that he had mentioned this Fin the morepolite teshion" to the LII-5 interviewers, also in corroboration with his feelings, .Government, lead _ae it is by such individuals as BEVIH, CRIPPS end. STZEAGHBI, prob"bebly was endeevcring to cover up for its shortcomings already with the handlingof the FUCHS case by having FUCHS describe "himself in that manner to make it appear;t wee - ~s-1' v :.
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'th th nus that FBQES had been sentenced to.'3"_r 4reporter from this paper came in wi e .!- ¢ll, years the nsmm. He stated that the editor or the "London Daily llsil",he would not further identify, had cemented upon hearing that and said, "Hell,e I see they've killed it". leaning the FUGHScese and the attending publicity, __eocording to Ctlid. = - -. , - _.- -» e -__ '7
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reply, however, to the effect that the evidence did show otherwise, that is that"; ._;.=
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had done more to destroy faith in scientists and contributed more to Russian A_; "
atomic progress than anything in history. is e matter of fact, he stated that he
believed FUGH9 contribution to the Russians had spesded up their progress by ; -
several years and that by 1952 they will be on s par with the United States in ;
atomic develogmentt He stated that this fact distressed him considerably since ' -_he has a wife and child and believes that the Russians might "become trigger
happyn, when they are equal to the United States. CGISCH believed that too much
stress was being put on the damaging effects of atmic power and not enough onthe good effects of it and that something should be done to oorre_ct_th:Lsa _ e,_,.,;x,;"_, ,._- :-_ 4 --.---- s. A t ' 1": '2: .- -s,.;*.;,q
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Allied powers todetermine scientically whether the Russians had exploded an .-
atomic bomb. He said that the awareness by the Allies that FUCHS had given this
to the Russians lead to President TRUMAIWS announcement of the fact that the
Russians had exploded the bomb. Also CORSOH claimed to have learned that FUCiiS' ~'-L
so called token payment of one hundred pounds which he accepted from the Russians '§
was nothing less than s. shortage of money occasioned by FUCHS fondness for feet"
cars and fast Iomen. He stated that this was another example of British tolerance,
since FUCHS left Hsxwell in his car each weekend on so celled business for
Harwell". GORSOIFS complaint was that none of the security officers had stopped
to question shat business FUCHS might be leaving on. Ister he claimed that" it
established that FUCHS was registered with various women in various inns around
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his scientific colleagues who had come there for a conference were ignoring QFUCHS; that he was sitting or! in a corner by himself nest or the time. Later _.-;_,.:._"_'- =
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' ."' Iilliaarden, the Eaecutive Director of the Joint_ Committee on Atomic Energy, cgégd to see no this morning at -
the direction of Senator§rie, cahon. Hclahon wanted to
know for his persona information any recent details regardithe Fuchs case. I told Borden there |oaB»_math7i'r§g that I soul _say. He then asked about the interviéwi I told his that on a 'strictly infernal and o f the record basis, to he communicated '_ _.__ ._.to no one except the 8e£ator,"that as he and the Senator knew the n e
British had agree to permit us to interview Fuchs but had set up §~_;k%3 conditions which would ache it impossible; that among the conditions '¢"¥were the fact that we not question Fuchs on technical: aspects of .- ;,§Atomic Energy and that we make no statement that we had ever interviewed; I __ - ._. _' .. ' 4 .<--;-, .- f"!:..
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idea on that as it would appear to be a State Department matter _
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questions. es thought, for example, that if the question wereasked as to whether the FBI had interviewed Fuchs that he mauld 1
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the State Department had succeeded in working out a new arrangement
uith the British concerning the interview with Fuchs and they were .
sending a communication to us todogand they would have samebodg get '
in touch with Mcahon this afternoon. Brien stated as soon as he, L, 5 e
heard from this individual he would let us know the outco me. 5
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question. He stated that he didn't, that he just wondered if this d'q
might not be important enough to send somebody like Clyde over, }M,
and whether it might not have considerable efect upon the =*'* ".1
British and result in an amicable setup. 'I told him that if F __¥%%_
problems were involved we would send somebody over but that the ' '""
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stated that the Bureau could interview Fuchs and that the Britishdrw. Av-
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of the agents credentials and stated that he was beyond the point of suspecting
anyone now, particularly since the arrest oi FUCHS. When informed that one
1/purpose or the agents visit use to determine the nature of hie association with
FUCHS and any knowledge he night have oi FUCHS activities in the United States
92 or e1eewhere,_,CORSQI became mildly indignant, stating that he had been "grilled!
tor days by MI-5 ore leaving England due to the tact that he had written a
Lg offering his assistance. H e stated that he always had been "followed all around
-92gif letter to Sir JOE£WkO@OFT regarding FUCHS and had sent a telegram to FUCHS * '
13/ England" prior to the interviews by MI 5 as e result of these communications.
Ha exhibited copies o£_the letter he had written to Sir JOHN_CROGROF! and the
telegram to FUCHS, which appeared in an issue _o£ "Physiceh GDRSCN added that h
was physically exhausted from hie lecture tour of England and interview by III-5
and that since the results of these interviees appeared in the home office reco
. silence, omson agreed in e condescending er to enseer all an estions regar
] FUCHS. thereupon the , erviee commenced oceeded in e cordiA ' 3:1? Ta!» C ¢".¢z Pcf1* 3 ET . ' ll
CORSON stated at he had net FUC n about December, 1.943, when FU
cane here for the British Scientific Mission and while he, CORSGQ, was employed
New York Gity. He stated that hie association Iith FUCHS use casual azjgzzeiraeaa
like and did not extend to any social contactee He said that FUCHS was an intell
- gent but not brilliant physicist, who worked hard and diligently at all scientifi- ' on the K 25 Project, at the am Laboratory, Columbia University and Kell Officer?
problems presented to hm. he a human being, CURSOR regarded FUCHS ea being e. -
"typical scientist" with little practical appreciation of life and, therefore,_CORSOR said he was not in any way eager to cultivate FUCHS socially. as a matte
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of this country and that if he had any knowledge of scientists when he received - ';i5-:1as possible security risks and possibly in the class of FUCHS it was his_dnt;r
as an American citizen to furnish these names. it the end, however, he refused 1-
, ' In ll rather offhand, "cute' fashion GGISON finally stated: investigate 1
FUGI-15' successor at Harwell" and the "let Lieutenant" to the head of Hi1 I8l1e _
He added that this has all he intended to say on thesubject, however, he 1rent;f;_'
further and stated that he had learned that FUCHS successor had the sane _ _ __ "
Communistic background as FUCHS and had stated that he would do the sane ash-,1;@ii"_;e..,;';»'i-2;-E
FUCHS had done if afforded the opportunity. Regarding the other indi1;'iduaJ.,'f
he thought he might be the head of FUCHS Department, Theoretical Physics at U
Harwell but spenifioally denied that it was PEIEIPLLS. He than said that he was
not certain of the position this individual holds but that he was a Swiss _1
emigrant. CURSOR stated that he had held himself free from political activities 1
Ihile engaged in scientific endeavors and that no investigation could uncover _ '
any pro-Communist or other sympathies on his part; He stated he felt that e1l'='}=ff
scientists should have a similar attitude and objected strenuously to the so celled_;
"parlor pinks" and outlying Goeununists in the scientific field imposing their T ""1views on immature student minds. .He stated that this 1|e11could he going on
in England and that these "parlor pinks" were adding numerous followers and that
any effort by him to name a few would be rather fruitless since the influence "'f,=.'
of the "parlor pinks" is already side spread» He indicated that the same possibilit
could be said of the United States but refused to make specific on this points? 'jl*j1
Be stated that "for all he knee" possibly crrsmrsnmvs background was subject to
question In this connection he stated that he had amassed the barring of ,-*1?
English scientists from Atomic Energy Conferences to but had received
little encouragement; _ '1 ' ?G[,e,g _ 1" . < . -:_ ' .. _ '= - " - I '- - '- ~' _- :~"j'i;:-1;" - '-Y ', _J'_.¬4fn'1,?*»""":
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appearance and during the interview consumed about one and one-half hours _-7*smoking cigarettes. Obviously he is distraught by the FUCHS case; ._;"J."_-»".;t*¢i."A1 , ..;,_ _.,__ . .__,'._= _ _ I _' . ..92,~_.-92 .-92-,__. ,. . _ - v ,, | In _-: A
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FUCHS states that he had two meetings
with his American contact in Boston
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_ROBBIR.'3 employment records at Jacobson
and Company, do not show any absences
'»'-E1i.1=_8 F°=131!-P1,, 1.9h5» 'conceded by the employer that
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which noesms use been page. Si¬i1?$>el¬":'.rT'-Camb;-if s" u:-;esa¢he=em'.'- no semi! ':eihtj;_i§ge1;i_i'¢1o5e.tha1="§'!é $ee@1=g='»¢"ewnd¢1- 1.B<>§[email protected]_1--is-othe_{irst one on s. busy street some-5-92 '
that o_1'ftf1e i1ain 'centerlT_92o£' '_ '1 '
and the second one tposei'b1y'_e .day_,if;..',-;___',_," 1ate17'at_ en" ji:|n-recalled place. _ "
both occasions FUCHS delivered notesiritten between neetin'gs"aT,§,.._;§;§1-_1>=§?%:
meeting as having occzirredat" the
end of June, 19b5, and arrives at
that determination from the tact that
it occurred prior to the explosion
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ens end '6f'J1ie! "1915:-""1s" sweats -
fore, while these records are incomplete,
in order to have had a contact in
Santa Fe, New Mexico, it can be assumed
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