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and-hope to be able to handle the work-with my present tome. . - _
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this lmndbill tlmt this picture is inciting a deep feeling in
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.. I em edvieod that the Hal?"-Haney one has been let
for trial at Oklahoma City. October 20th, ani assume that tin ' t.. 7' - l -- case I111 go to trial at that time. .- e" -_1 14<92'i
In view of the experience Ia had at the farmer trial,
I deem it highly important that sufficient men be eesigned to E _
'-Fhlte to enable him to collect e oonprahenslre history at the
prospective Jm-urn. In the former trial this work In eplmdidlg _dame, in eo tar ea the rst one hundxe name were eaueerned, - ~
but the eecosnd vanire was dz-an in such short time that it In-I *'
Lmoasible for nu to learn much about the mm oonpoeillg It»J
I have not heard inst pro;-eel, if may, has been hale 1* N ..
with tbs ivestigation to determine whether er not there I'll e
66Sj3iI'8x':;r to obstruct justice. i hoped that the Court Ioald lee
t to poatpone this retrial until Icnrarriber to give I-I an eppa-.:,_._.__twmity to thmrmghly investigate the canamt or certain Luyere
to: the defame and alsa aartain Iritneaaee, but I hope that you "
I111 urge Ir. Waite tn in hie utmost in the tin! remaining todevelop any teats indicating euah aunspireq. 1.
1 in Iritlng the United Btates Attornqy, at. Lerie,
nrgiag him to cooperate to the utmost with the Bm-am.
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$Y~Qpms¢,FMgm,_ Reference assistant Attorney General Luhring's sug-= geetion for investigation of apparent flagrant perjuryE; witnesses in the matter of United States I . Hale and Ramsey atI *1th?ie, and subordination of perjury by Jigxggringer, at al, Ia1e's'era. Setting of Folerel Grand Jury at Ilahoma City for October_%25,'before whom will be presented evidence. Listing 77 witcezseswith summary of evidenoe obtained from them iirectly and otherwise, as
a ?ui?e for questioning. tBrief status of pending oases of State vs.
Eurkhart and'Iorrison, and of material xoverument wit~7.. . * ~ - -. - , J-otve¢t of ¥m~£L¥é§§3§T, 0?6Tum6Lt witness Roan .ria1 ~ ._ Q
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Ir. O. E. Iuhring, Assistant Attorney General, in the ease ofle Tniteo States vs. Hole and Ramsey,Lireotor under date of August 27, LQE6, an referred to igicial Agentin Charge hite, in tr. Kathan's letter unier date of Aubt t 31, 1926,ievelopments have been obtained and leads are in progress of invest1~
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After a Qanference hatween Uitei States Attorney
Eng St. Eewis, Syeeial Proseauur T. J. Laahy, T. B. Whits ani
Agent Smith, it was iefinitely ieaiae ta reccnvena the present
Grana Jury Umtaber 6, 1936, befare whom will he preaentei avidenaa
sf pergury by witnesses and subardinatien sf perjury by members sf
aaunsel far dsfenants, Hale an& Ramsey, in heir trial Quhri,
an plane ¢0ubtrul ani reluutant witnesses an raear.
Praeess was iasue ana.§1aeea in the hands of the U. S.
Karshal for sarvice on the follawing witnesses:
EG$§SGG$ESS, Uustadian of Hale, Ramsey, at al. This wit-
Snsriff sf lagan Ea. mess, it is allege&, has grossly viQlate&
instructions with refereuse ta permitting
persans scnferenees with grisuners, Hale, Ramsey, at al, an grant-
e& tpem special privileges, an repeatly§§Qlar$d them inncen
and being frame ané §abbe&.
BILLKQRAGKETT, This witness haa infcrmatian sf the 0§era~
Pawhuska, Gkla. tisns af Que Henry aya &n& F. J. Bays, em-
plnye&.®y counaal sf Eale an Ramsey, an who
were very active in the interest cf the efense; states that Eays
tcli»him.that same ne was sure to get in trwuble an that he wasthrough ané promise& tn divulge tn this witness the iefense apera~
tinns, at lsft fur Gslaradu prings withnut so aing. Bays is al-
lege& to have tcl Braekstt that ha wwulé givs him a line~up on his
ogeratians.
Ernsst Burkhart, itnassea erace an §ukey§urkhart un~
3$Ri$E 3$RKHAET, quesinnably have knawlegé at an have
DUKE EURKHART, been r@queste& ani useé in abtaining fraué»
ulent testimony by afenants swunsel.
Thraugh the coopwation at Ernest Burkhart these may be inucei ta
aii anu assist the gevarnment in tha intereat at their brother,
Ernaat Eurkhart.
w-§_;~_.-=3-> 'k£'92~1_=r921-.nwa- 3 .. _ _ -. . . .. r. . , >.. _dunaa will ne guestionea with reference tobeing approaoheé by amosgucker, a defense?airfax, Gkla. witnass at Gutkrie, an Aalé by Tucker that
he waul& testify far Hla and weuld Q0 the
agme ?0T Bunch uner like circumstanees, an used tn confront
-ucker in an effort ta cause Tucker to divulga evidence againat
those who grsmpte him to enmmit yergury.
Also to obtain a recora of the testimany
mi this witness far use in future trial.
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Lansing State Pawhuska at trial of Burkhart; purported
Penitentiary. to be framed to testify concerning murder
of Roan and corroborate Henry Cornett, and
due to Burkhart pleading guilty was not used. This witness was
questioned by Agent Smith and Attorney General Short at Pawhuska,
and later questioned by Short at lensing, which caused him to hack
up, and was consequently not used by defense at Guthrie. See
statement of Dick Dunham set out herein!.
232§IURIETT, Ernest Burkhart testified that this witness
Gra£mer's Ranch. was present at Grammer's Ranch at a meeting
between Hale, Ramsey, surkhart, and Rube
Burrell, County assessor of Osage County. This witness corroborat-
ed sur§nart's testimony in a vernal statement to UpBGl&l agent
Iurphy, and later repudiated this in the presence of Er. Inhring,
Ir. Lewis, Smith and Huryhy.
JOEXBOZART, This witness corroborated the testimony of
Fairfax, Okla. one Amos Tucker with reference to passing
Roy Bunch and Kary Bunch on a road, which
was in support of other perjured testimony.
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Fairfax, Okla.This witness will be questioned in an effort
to obtain conversations with 301 3mith, whic
he stated on the stand at Guthrie he had but
was not permitted to testify to, which may clarify his testimony;
and further, to ascertain if he was induced to testify falsely.
. J.tEi2S, This witness operates a detective agency,
.ilsa, Okla. and is in the employ of Hale and Ramsey's
counsel, and has been very active in the
interest of the defense; was present at Guthrie throughout he
trial. See Bill Brackett reference.
2T3E923U2RELL, Ernest Burkhart testified.that this witness
Pawhuska, Okla. was present at Grammer's Ranch when he,
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sits caaaott, these witnesses told him that besnwgari
Fairfax, Okla. and Homen Rowe, witnesses for the defense
_ in support 0f the perjured testimony of
Henrjiornett at Guthrie, before they testified told them that
neither of them knew a thing on earth regarding the Roan ease.
These witnesses will be used to confront the Howe brothers in
an effort to cause them to divulge the true facts.
naaaricoaesrr, Witness Corbett is a close relative of
IRS. EARRYCURBETT, Bil Taylor, whom the defense attempted
Fairfax, Oklahoma. to associate with Bunch in Roan murder,
by testimony of Henry Cornett, Rowe
brothers, et al, and who testified for defense at Guthrie.
Corbett now states that some time in January 1925 John Ramsey
came to him and asked him to describe Henry Roan, Stating tnat
he, Ramsey, did not know him- his wife, rs. Corbett, wille0r- ,-...,-. -...,~4-.. ._. H-.. ...._ ......-1 ..:,. .,.._'1~- ..-.. -1.-,....4..r__........_.. _.__--__ _.92...L'UbCl.L'i:.1.uU Bill Ea._yluJ.' UJILL his, uui-u1::'G6!:s, ousuiznuziy, give-Ii no
Guthrie, that John Ramsey was at a pump house on January 14, 1925,
and drank with him and Taylor, and that Hrs. Corbett broke s bottle
containing whiskey from which they were drinking.
{i;:92cisraaas, Ehis witness was a member of the Grand Jury
Lortneast of Perry. that indicted Hale and Ramsey for the murder
of Roan, and who unquestionably swore false»
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be questioned in an effort to extort the truth from nim and obtain
1 record of tnis testimonv, and, in the failinr of this, evidence V ~Jwill be presented to the Grand Jury with the view of securing an
indictment against nim for committing perjury.
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Eonca Gity.
tie source information obtained tnat this
by Bill Hale with reference to writing a
Roan.witness was approached
policy on life of Henry
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Guthrie and committed gross perjury, but later requested that hean insurance eompany, and from an unauthen-
This witness was a member of the Grand Jury
that indicted Hale and Ramsey for the murder
of Henry Roan. was a defense witness at "'
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Statement obtained from Dick Dunham, by
agent Smith. Dunham now in County Jail
at Canadian, Texas, charged with highway
robbery.
"Canadian, Texas.
"Sent. 22, 1926.
On Kay Sth, 1926, I was placed in jail at Panhandle, Carson Co.
on a charge of robbery. Some time about Hay l8th Sid Eelplane
and Pres Lorance, both of Ponoa City, came to the jail and told
me that they wanted me at Pawhuska on the following Honday as a
witness in the Hale case and that they would be back with my bond
not later than Sunday morning. These men left without any further
explanation. On Kay 21 I was taken to Canadian and placed in jail.
In a few days Sid Delplain and Pat Kenyon came to Canadian jail.
Sid Delplane told me that they had been unable to make my bond,
but that they had hired Pat Kenion to take me to Pawhnska and that
I would leave on the morning train. I told Hr. Delplane that I did
not know anything about the Hale oases and could not imagine what
they wanted with me. Delplane told me they wanted me to halt Bill
Hale out and do everything I oould, and to report to J. I. Howard,
Hale's attorney, when I got to Pawhuska, and he would tell me what
they wanted me to do. Delplane left, telling me he would see me at
the train the next morning. The next morning Sherif Johnson told
me there was some jam about taking me away and that I would not go
until there was a bond made.
About a week to 10 days later Joh§8Fry, Sheriff from Canyon, came
to the jail with Sherif Johnson, and made me Sign a bond. I was
then taken out of jail and placed in a waiting car and driven to
Shamrock. $heriff Fry, who is a brother in law of Hale's, his
Deputy, Bobtiyker, and another man, an Insurance Agent, and a
brother in law of Sheriff Fry, were in the oar. On the way to
Shamrock the Hale oaseswere freely discussed, these men telling
me how innooent Hale was, and that he was being framed and jobbed.
On the road to Shamrock I told nr. Fry that I did not know anything
about the cases, and could not imagine what they expeoted me to
swear to. At Shamrock Fry and Kyker had a long talk, then Fry
came to me and told me that when I got to Ponce City hr. Loranoe
would meet us and take us on to Pawhuska, and when I got to Paw-
huska to report to J. I.fHoward and he would tell me what he wanted
me 30 Q0. and for me todo everything I could to help poor Bill
out of his cases, and that he would see me when I got back.
Iyker and I then left Shamrock by train, going to Ponca City, it
Ionoa City we were net h§ at depot by Pres Loranoe, who drove us
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Indian, name Frank. Loranoemet Henry Hays and his nephew, an
told us that Mrs. Harland had just
died and that he could not ro with us to ?awhuska; he asked Kaye4L!
how the case was getting along and hays said fine! Loranoe then
left, and lays drove us to Pawhnska.
On our arrival at Pawhuska we went directly to Hamiltons office,
and lays introduced Hyher and I to Hamilton. hamilton then re-
marked, "Well, I guess you want to know what you are here for."
I said "Yes, it is kind of a puzzle to me. I don't know what I
am expected to do." Hamilton then said, "Didn't old man Gregg
oome to Bob Stranges house last fall while you were working for
Bob to see you about framing on this ease?" I answered him and
said "Hell, old man Gregg was out to see he 2 or 5 times but I
don? remember what he came out there for."
didn't old man Gregg tell you that he didn'tHamilton said, "well,
know anything about
the Hale oases, but that he was framing Hale to get Dick out of
the Pen?" 1 then told 2.Zr.lfIamilton that I ma rather tall: to
Toward, and Hamilton said "Howard is at the Court Eouse, and you
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to get Dick out of the pen, and asked me if old man Gregg
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everal times about the Yale oases, and I told him
lked to me on pe?sonsl business several times.
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' and enry Lays had better go o0 Shidler in the morning and see
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some vitnesses t lether.
Zen;3J;hgs and I went to Ehidler. We talked to
I told her we nanted witnesses to ingeach John
an aunt of Al epenoer. She then advised me to go
and gave me a list of names who would swear against
lrejg. one gave me the name Dick Jordan, of Berger, who used to
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Xe 9n bask to Pawhuska that evening. Eowari sai hi I@P@
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that they
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I baa
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him chargei in , anq I toli oward that Bralley, was tney had as
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hlnlness, was a nephew of Raff, an if any one an earth cmul
e Brailg Hoff cuulé. Huwar aeemeé to e afrai that
Braily wnuld nut stan&»hitcha an estify as they wantei him to,
I went ta Raff and t0l& him that Howard sent ma ta him, ani that
ne? wanted to impeach Greggs testimeny. _I alsu talksé to him
abauj
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Braily4 and he said ms. Raff gave me ts unierstana that
he wauld he a defense wiiness. I ased him if he wuuld talk ta
Howar &, and he said.Y&s. I went ani tol&E0warQ, an I saw him
30 ts Raffs office.
some time about that time Eurkhart_ple&_§uilty, ani that put
éerybiy mg in the air. Eswara tnen ts1& me that everything
Twatwas mlswed mg, an they wauld have to ake a new angle at it.
T1 92 , Burkhart was frame to plea guilty, an that me waul
use Ianry lays ans I to get witnesses to prove that it was a '1 _ _-L up an Bill Kale, and ta get witne$s ta shaw who did blow
up Smiths an& kill Henry Roan, and that Rays and I wauld-he put
DH 3salary while getting thia evience, ani he ana his §artners
w@ul& get ma aui sf my nase in Texas Howara came ta Berger and%0t~He§ry agors out af Jail an frame him.t0 be a witnesg and
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d tali me at Eawhuska, after Burkhart glea guilty, ta gs
ts Gaaaian jail and not later than the fallawing Zanay
they wnuli he after me an make my bani an 3ut ma ta
gétting evi&ence in the Kala aase.
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will instruat her to diY E§&L Witness Bunham.stat&s that rs. Dunham,
his wife, was talkei to consi&erab1y by
J. I. §ow&r&, counselmfor Hale, an he
vulge any informatian aha may have ta ne
gsvernment. Ehis witness ta be que$tion&.
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Giltsn, Okla.See statement maie a part at this repnrt
sf rs. Xyra iurley} Johnsan.
This witness, as other members of his family
are closely alliei with Hale faation, an have heen untiring in
their efforts ta asaist
questioned an cmnfront
SID DELEIAHE,
Ponsa City.in éefeating gustice. iness will he
e& with acts.
This witness is a.elose asseciata cf
Sam ulk, who testified for defense at
Guthrie, an& W. K. Hale, &nd.hey are
thought ta he respansible, largely, for tme frienly interests
sf many in the viainity sf Pan@& on behalf sf Hale. Attention
is iirecte ta statement Qf ick Qunham herein set cut
3m'sAsAx, This witness new stands conviste by the
ulsa, Gkla, government, with ease an appeal. as
actively aaseeiate& with &t@rney§§ringer
&né,hQught to have assisted in ahtaining frauulen teatlmony in
the Burkhar trial, and was seen at Guthrie Qnring trial ef ala
and Ramsey.
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Ralstoa, Gkla.This witness testimnny given in the inter~
est uf defense at Guthrie was unquestionably
perjured an in the interest cf placing the
s murer an Ray Bunch. T0 be questionei.
Pram an unauthentic saurse infermation ob~
tainad that Miles¥BQzart§ partner Qf Hale,
went ta witness Fezick where he was working
Qn 3 ra gang under ana Jim Moss, a e@0se frisnd of §ale's, an&
tald Fezisk he wante him as a witness at Guthrie Feziak remark»
eér "San it helg Hale?" an& an being tnld it wnul, said: "I will
swear anything far Bill. Hack F. Eartin, sf Ralstan, is allegei
to have been §resent.
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Grammera Ranch. h
3ramm¬r,v6trial sf Hale an amaey, atated
that they expectea he prove by hrs.
al, that Ramsey rme wih r. and Ira. G?ammer from
the ranch to Penna Gity, ani there, in the presence sf rs.-r ,,.. - Q/Y --.rZ"G.§f13T1*3I, 1.;-1" u
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investigation in 3ale~Ramsey caaes. and repeate&ly' *7gramme? gave uamsey ;nQU.QQ to buy a aar. rs.
questioned &uring trial by Ed Tinker ané Kr. Snléina,
Qf gsm standing, ana Bated that she ieniei kncwing
the Ramsey ear transactiun. Era. Gramney was queatimn
Guthrie in.January LQE5 during prQgreSS sf Gran&'ury
tate that she
knew natning abmut Ramey having a new bard; that he na an old
runabout, an& h&& he hai a new ca? she aertainly wouli have seen
it, as he lived on her place nring the geriod sf the Esau mur&er.1. 5" ' <~ » v . . -. . " P ..-92 " . hrs. wraamer was mat plasai an the st¢ni~at §R§ufl% by Qefense,
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to transfer nf money frsm Grammar to
ta purchase gar, as &id Qlsa Hrs. x.;1I'.T_1S$§',DU . _ " Ya .u
Tiniall. This testimany was umquestisnably pergurs, ani §rQmpt~
ed through the energies af Att0rney"3pringer_ To he questicne
in an effart ta cause her ta divulge the true fants.
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Iational Detective Agensy; constantly
A mingling threugcut the Hale trials at
ught to have been emplaye by Hale influence.
Unguestiunably gave pergure testimcny.
To he questineé.
This witness estified f$r ieiense in
luthrie trial; was a member of rand
Jury that indistedéale and Ramsey;
testimanq a m&§ter of racord. in indiatment was returmed.by
present ¢ranQ ¢ury at Qklahama Eity September 29, 193$, charging ,~ with perjury; The fQllowing»statemant was Qbtainei Afyom :n§s witQes§ at Euthrie fallowing his false swearing; $tate~ V
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he ha t@stifie& far Qefensa at Guthrie,
that if he was nlaee on atan :3ain~he
wmuli ivulge information sf interest.tc guverumant. is b¬
" igent abtainea through an unauthentic
sourse infarm&ti0n tha this witness was
approacne&.hy ittarneys Prlnce Freeling Q
Lowari ani frameé tatake the stani at Suhrie and swear that
203 Bunch ran in ta her hause an the nigh? that afficers shat at
him at enry RQans heuse, was very blooy, and r&maineQ there hi
for aame time. That some time latar she visltai Eenry R@ans
house ani found bloo strewn all aver car§ets, whieh were later
replasei by mew ene$$ an&.that Iary Bean had a saleiar date
marked ani remarkei tn her that Henry hai nut been seen sinae
then, the iate sarresponing to date that Bunch ran in tn her
huuse. Agent succeede in having tmis witness amit that she
was ax§ecte& %u swear falsely for the defense, but statei that
she was got going to e it, and nai eld the law3&rs so, &ni they
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° wineas, in he juigment sf agent, praperly questione, will
divulge the trae facts. Ta be questisneé.
fhis witness an inmate State Penitentiary,
serving E5 yeaws for murdar. Frem un-
authsntis information Jarrett was frame
with Eaxry arnett ts swear that Carley Johnsmn kille& Ream; was
brJu$h*
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'IF'§ '-.,H»-92».3in Pawiuska with Cornett at trial of Eurkhart; iii at
account Eurkhart p1¬%Qi1§ guilty.
esa ma&e sama aimissions to Atteraeg General Ehurt, and~'9292»92.- 92-qpq
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ire. Johnson stated that some time in June 1986, while in KansasCity, she received a telephone call from a f?iend, Harie Smith,
at Oilton, Oklahoma, telling her that alterfoolin wanted her to
some to Oilton on important business and that he would send her a
ticket if she would come. That he sent her a ticket and she came
to Oilton and met Doolin. Doolin told her that Bob Strange told
him that she had a lot of information that would help Hale; that
she told Doolin she had no information; that he insisted that she
had told Strange a lot of things; that she told Doolin that Strange
had lied if he said she had told him anything. That Doolin then
su3;ested.that she go to Ripley and "isit her folks, and tBat he
:"ll iehl Henry lays and Charlieyiohnson to see her the following
Sunday. That they did not come and she returned to Kansas City.
Che latter part of July or first of August, 1926, Henry Mays and
Charlie Johnson came to Kansas City to see her. They told her she
could make a good witness for Tale; that Uurley Johnson was dead
and it would not hurt him, and she had just as well make herself
seven or eight hundred dollars. She told them she knew nothing
and that they could not pile up money enough to cause her to take
the stand and lie on Curley; that if they expected her to they had
,f;ust as well get that out of their minds. 1'.hat thef, Persistently
insisted that she make a witness and seven or eight hundred dollars
repeating that she could not hurt Curley and could make a good wit-
ness for Hale and help him out and that she needed the money. She
states she hawled them out, and finally they said that they would
have Ir. J. I. Howard, one of Hale's attorneys, see her. That
later Seward appeared on the scene and reiterated nearly what
Johnson and Hays had said, telling her that Johnson was dead and
she could do him no harm, but could help Hale, and she had just
as well make herself s few hundred dollars, and asked her why she
married a man like Johnson, that she was too good a woman to marry
a man of the underworld, etc. That she hawled out Howard pretty
strong, and told him she was tired of them trying to get her to
swear a lie, and the people he was trying to get her to lie for
were responsible for Curley's death; that he was murdered; that
they had caused her to lose her job by her trip to Oilton. That
Howard asked her if Mays had given her any money, she told him IO.
That he said he had given Hays a check for $25.00 to give her, and
then handed her $15.00, telling her he was short at that time, and
lett, telling her he would see her later. That he came back later
gelling her he had teen to Lansing and talked with Slim Braley, and
slim nod told him that sne knew nothing of Curley's business, and
told her that they would not use her unless Blaokie Thompson took
the stand; that if they called her they would send her money, and
for oer not to tell any one they had talked to her, and not to let
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the govcrament know where she was; that hath Jahnsmn an Hays
warned her nut is mention their being tnara or ivulge her where-
abouts to any one. That later, after Haward lef, aQmns0n and
lays came back again and layed aroun a week trying tn ge in
ch with her, but she would not see tnsm.
Xitness further state that she lived agart from Jchnsma a great
eal of ne time; hawever, he woul drop im 8Q&Ei0H1ll§¢ Thi
her rather ied December 28, 1922, at her fatn&r$ home near
liglay; tlat urley Jhnscn was than staying at the Lewis Eatel,
Seya, Gklahemag tha she yhoned Ira. Iewia and aha got Surley
an tge phane at Deoya, an¢ he came ta Ripley and was there until
argun the lat er ni Qf January 192$, an left, saying he was go-
ing back ta Decya. nat she than warked until middla of February
31¢ went to enya and gainei Carley, her husband, an&.live¢ there
for lnng period That acme tima that f&l1.Gurl%ywent is Henry
ornatt$.
Ira. Jchnson was questicne uner a&ver$e cunéitians by agent,
and will, nu oubt, &&vance furthar Qetails cf interest when
tharaughly guestiune.
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Pawhuska, *la.al eriminal, ani
Ed Snyder &uring
attempting tn run
ourt.This witness is an
was charged j@int1*
trial Qf Burkhart
witnesses amt 0? the 3uris&icti0n of the A
Kate statemamt of Hrs. Qurley Johnson.
is be gueatianei,
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GEQRGE1KiEG, This witne$s is a fullblooi Gsage and
Tairfax, Qkla. cnnsiered a gsoi mharactar. The fullowing
statement obtsinad from him at uthrie by
Agen¬v$mith:
August 1?, 1925
~ .Same time araun& after EEK I was standing gust outside of Eha Court
Rmam i®ar in the Faderal Building at Guthrie. Tha Court had just
taken a recess» R man.came out of the ceurt ream whom I recugniz~
e& as a lawyer in the Hale and Ramsey case. This man askei me if
my name waa King ani when I told.him it was, he introiuce himself
to me as attcrney Springer an tcl me he was representing r.
Ramsey» 32 tank ma to ne siée and aake.me if I knew Fannie
L&$ley, who ha& been an the witness stand testifying. I tnld.him
that I knew her. gr. Egringer &axe&.me if I waz a friend of Hale
ané Ramsey. I t@l&.him that I h&i cnly spoken to xx. Ramaey anca,
an that I knew his sen Samar. Hr, Sgringer told me that a xr.an-Q». »s-up»
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Iurphy had taken
for me to go and
and say that she
dates on the hotel register had been changed. I walked
from Ir. 3pringer and did not tell him whether or not I
this. When I got outside of the Federal Building I met
Earker, and he asked me what Springer_was saying to me,
told him just what
John Lynn the same
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iairfax, Oklahoma.Fannie Iasley down to identify John Ramsey, and
tell Fannie Lesley not to identify John Ramsey
did not know him, and for her to say that the
away a
would do
Ir. Bob
and I
I told in this statement, and later I told
as I told Parker.
Uife of George King, stated to
was standing with her husband-ur-ed! George ning."
Agent Smith
in hallway
near door of courtroom during progress of
;ale-Ramsey trial at Guthrie; saw John Ramsey whisper to Springer
and point to her and her husband. Springer came out to them and
called George ling to one side and talked with him. ing cor-
roborated this evidence.
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Fairfax, Okla.
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YRS. JOKE KAYO,
fif KAYU.H3150, The records covering a lens
investigation disclose thisperiod of Osage
witness testi-w.-J
many at trial at Guthrie practically same
This witness to
to determine if
Guthrie, in an effort to have her change
her'testimony.at grevions interviews. Likely was approached by Kale
ence. Hill question in effort to determine.
be discreetly questioned
approached since trial at
This witness present during trial of Hale
'5':and aamsey and appeared in print
gamers in the interest of Hale.in local
Hote state-
ment. of Dick Dunham.
The fOll0Wing statement obtained from this
witness and quoted in report made by agent
Smith dated June 22, 1926, captioned
U: K. Hale et al - Iurder Osage Indians,
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"June 15, 1926. Tulsa.
Ly none is Ire. John Kayo, the wife of John
lgyo Hotel Cofiee Shop
ltout the 28th or
in the Coffee Shop end
asked me if I was JohnOO-4-1/..2-.1 uJ..Las waitress.
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sit down 1 small
Kaye's wife. I toldKayo. I work at the
8 A. M. two men came
men with a mustache
him that I was John
Zayos wife. He then began asking me when I got off duty and
when I was not busy, es he wanted to talk to me. I told him I
got off late in the afternoon, but if he came back about ten
thirty in the morning I would not be so busy. I did not at that
time know who either of the men were. I asked the small men who
they were and he told me they represented Hale & Ramsey, and the
tell men with him was Er. pringer, end his none was Weaver. T 5pringer, said tofesver not to talk to me there at
the Coffee Shop, but make a date with me t.-.11-
Thej both left. About
who said his name was Weaver, came book.
saying he represented
about the ease, but I
didnt went to know any more about it. He then said "You know you
don't wont to see those people go to the penitentiary, you are not1and talk somewhere else.
10 o'clock that some morning the smell men,
He started talking to
Hale & Ramsey end talked as thouon I knew ell
told him I knew very little stout it and
Inst hard hearted." I told him it was immeterial to me whet neo-
peoed to them; that I was not mixed up in the affair end was not
going to get mixed up in it, if I could keep from it. He asked
me a few other questions, and said that I was their lest onanee
to help save Ramsey and Hale, and he believed I could help. I
asked him how he figured I could help them. He said that John
Kayo made s statement in the preliminary trial about s lot of
things, some of which were not true, and we believe you could
talk to John and get him to onange his testimony. I told him
to go talk to John, and he Weaver! said he couldn't afford to
and wouldnt be allowed to. I told him that if he oouldnt go
why didn't he send some of his friends. He said for the simple
reason that I would have more bearing on John and John would
understand me better than anyone else. I commenced to get mad
and told him to go on and leave me alone es his conversation did
not interest me in the least. He then wanted to meet me somehwere
or take me out in e car and talk to me, saying he would treat me
just like he would his sister or mother. I told him I did not wont
to talk to him and could do nothing for him, but he said I could
arter I telred to aonn and for me to see John. 1 told him I was
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$Qi§ to see Jnhn ani tell Jenn aout him*heing gar? #a§king ta
me, &n&.Jeaver sai& he wante m to tell dean a§Q tnas ne was to
gag me and wh&% hi8 business w&5, ané th hé, Jébr, wouli E8
bask Ian@ay tn see me. I told him mat ts some to see me anymore
$3 I ' L ' n * »u '9 * : did mat wanv
ta1k't@ him after
stani better, and
lf,
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I came hack frcm seeing John, as I wauli un&er
that he haged he hai not mffen&e& me. He than
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cauli e trying $0 wsrk an& make a living and 3&3 iector
{Weaver} saii Yam need not werry auut expensaa or &o@
sf any kind, for we will §- them up if neaeasary.
The ollowisg Eaturiay jay lat I'weut to Pawhuska an tsli Jenn
abaut these two men.
at wsri tn Hr. 3mith
see ma an preparei to
came Back ta see me. Hr. Héaver mar Ir.
Q see m.-..
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I05 Stvanga ruachei him in County J3§1 at Eawhuska an&eturneé ta Eulsa $atur&ay night. Jmhn
¢ Ir. Iurphg an they came ta Tulsa tn
tch Er. Jeaver ngi Er. 3pringer if they
Qpringer never came back
E.
~92u'92ne&§ ¢:s.Juhn gays,"
Izyc stated that &urin§ trial Qf Burkhart,
gave
him a line Lrienily talk, an tmld aim that he wouli get him
amt cf the nsing penitentiary. Kate lnterest of 5trange
£3 statemag
s110*.*r:1
of Qrs. Jahnsan,
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alsa, Qkla. witness, quoted in regort maa my &gentWW1
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ca§tione& E. K. Hale, at al;
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O, but nevar gave me any &etails as tn how, but tsld me
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L. _ v .tge maney piemis
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was ticve and
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1.lliott celled Eyens
Dick Duni
'ff, canPl
as ta he questioned "
ob Feziek, alleged to -
lefenee witness.woman said I see you haven't got
And if you ont and
11 blew yen both to he ll.
hotel. I
-1- 1m in front of .ne eliss Building
met him in front of the Elise Tuiiding and
ll anyone where we was stevin? that he weuld U M!
we went on un to Ir. Qpfi§¬T'S office. As
e office Elliott said fr. spree;
011 ta sit down and Springer asked us wait we
. sane etary es ee been t
Qnly for a fe
etion of Bill Q; V
*Hexry Grarrer
Ie told us i
could nee us, 3-
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/'31IBST§i3JTOH, Jim Rhodes and U. W. Thomason, officers
Eominy, Okla. of Fairfax, advised that they had informa-
tion that this witness had stated that he
was passing through Sol Smith's pasture some time just prior to 1
finding of dean's body, and saw Ramsey and Rosn in a oar and tslx~
ed with them and took a ride with them. To oe questioned.
' PARISH,
fnwhnsks, Okla.This witness is an ex-oonvict, s high-
powered bank robber, and has long been
susoioioned by this Bureau as implicated
in some respect with Isle. Kate statement of Elackie Thompson.
To be confronted by Thompson,
~_¢
"17"?!and an effort to be made to nave
min divulge the truth and place his testimony of record.
L34 PIERCE,
Tulsa, Okla.
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C. Q. ZADABAUGE,
Bipley, Okla.
ably perjured
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JIL R£ODE5.
Fairfax, Okla
so: fnciii,
Tulsa, Okla.. ShouldThis witness ex-employe Department of
Justice. Tote statement of Ed drwin.
20 be questioned.
Attention is directed to testimony of
record by this witness at Guthrie trial
in alibi for Ramsey, which was qnguestion-
be indicted. To be questioned.
Uill be material in assisting in question-
ing of Ernestbewton.
Statement obtained from this witnes follows.
Ws
See also statement Ed Erwin and om. icoparren.
"About three weeks ego I was approached by Hr. Elliott end was esk~
ed if I wanted to make some money and I asked him how and he said
bv sivning on affidavit that I heard s certain conversation in
January l923 at Henry Gremner's Ranch. I asked him how much and1_ I 4",, »-wnat I end to say. I was to get olo0.00 and was to say that I
was st nenry Gremmers ranch the last part of January 192$ andwwas
sitting in e oer when Bill Smith, whom I was supposed to know, was
1r;ning with some woman named Laura Tuttle. She was supposed to
say to him that if he didn't get rid of his squaw, treat her square,
tint the money wouldn't do him any good for she would blow them to£?L%| I wrote tuis down and gave it to Bill Koparren. nr.
siliott was to let me know when to meet him so he could take us to
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These witnesses related to Henry Cornett,
end unquestionably gave perjured testimony
in triel st Guthrie. Hots testimony of
Bill and Joe Carroll. To be questioned.
Statement made by witness to Agent
and quoted in Agent Smith's report
Nov ll, l925, captioned 7. K. Hale, al.
"Ky name is R. R. Smith. I am s farmer and reside seven miles west
of Teirfsx.
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fore Henry Roan was killed. I had heard that Roy Bunch was laying
up with ery Roan and I sew them together many times. There was
common talk that there was going to be trouble between Bunch end
ienry Roan. About three weeks before Roan was found dead I was at
nenrv Cornett's renoh and Roy Bunch, Bill Taylor end Kory Roan
drove up in s oar. Henry Cornett made the remark to Roy Bunch that
id he did not look out that Henry Roan would catch him with his,
Rose's, old lady and hill him or something like that, end Bunch
remarked that he would beat Roan to it. Then Taylor said leave
him to me. meaning Roan, end I will cold cock him. There was
several other remarks made. Three days before Henry Roan's body
was found I was going from my home to Burbank, when I got within
e Short distance from where the road coming from Benry Cornett's
ranch run into the Fairfax reed, I sew Roy Bunch and Bill Taylor
coming from towards Cornett's ranch in a Buick oer. As I went
through the gate Bunch
I did. I drove on and
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