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position. And I wanted to make sure that I had at least an hour and a half on mine and you got the time for yours to question me. We did. We got through your hour and a half on mine. Roughly an hour and a half now on mine. That's basically how this went. >> But in the beginning, I did not take an hour and a half to just pull out of context list with Andrew. I actually debated the substance of what's going on in this trial and this hearing. And I I do think that you fell I think you fell short of that. >> There's nothing out of Hang on. There's nothing here except holding you to account for your say yes or no. Well, we were supposed to be dating uh be debating the case and whether or not there was overwhelming evidence. >> These are your claims about the case. >> No, you then admitted that that now you're getting into another sphere and you're you want to talk about the transcendentals and things that I've said through and like four out of five of your clips are about Erica Kirk. So, the general perspective even is your turning points horse quite a few of them were. Were was there three or four? >> So, you're just making stuff up. >> Can we get a count of how many were about Erica? I feel like >> I think it was three. >> Three. Okay. Three. I said four. >> But those are extraordinary claims, which is why you're asking about >> Well, okay. But the point being is now you're veering into trying to get me to defend my opinions and then you completely sherk responsibility when I point out yours. No, they're not claims. When America is too you go, that's just whatever. And then you move on. >> That's a claim that I and I'm responsible for the claim. >> Well, earlier when I brought it up, you said that it was tongue and cheek. >> Yes. Sure. I that's me responding to your criticism of the claim. That's all I'm doing here. >> I was interested and um >> and I'm happy to get into also the Patsy stuff now if you would like to. Your team has one more clip they want. They got one more clip. >> We were getting into the psy stuff and you stopped it and I was explaining to you. Oh, they have one more clip. Okay, let's go. >> They want to hit the minimum of four clips you were saying with Erica. So, 100%. [laughter] Okay. And this is the one you're saying from 7 Okay. While they're looking for that, do you want to continue? >> Yeah. I I mean, can I ask a question? I know it's been or or like can I ask a question or we >> not really. We're I'm just going to we're going to hold to the actual contract itself. The contract is does not say that you are allowed to just question me without me being able to respond to you. >> I've never said you can't >> or have a conversation. >> You've been able to respond to every question I've asked you. And by the way, the the other thing is is like >> let's have it your way. I want it to look like we've done everything Andrew wanted to so that people can fairly assess the situation. So you have it your way. I will not ask a question. >> Totally fair with me. >> So are you good with her asking a question or no? >> You said no. >> Waiting for the clip. >> Okay. So you want to wait for the clip first. Okay, you guys have it in the back. >> The team told me they had it. So, >> that's what I heard. >> Okay, there we go. >> Come on, guys. >> Did this crime? Okay, because Lance Twigs my fine >> Lance Twigs has his DNA on the rifle. >> Lance, >> and to be clear, Lance Twigs' DNA was not as degraded as Tyler Robinson's DNA was >> on Tyler's rifle. It's Tyler's rifle. >> Oh, you also said, "Yeah, it's not as degraded on the rifle." >> Yeah, cuz I thought he was one of the things. But I I've already that that's what I mean when I say that like it just seems like you're not actually here trying to engage because I even before you got to this and I knew that you had some secret clip planned. I said to you when I rewatched the testimony I realized that they didn't explicitly say Lance Twigs. They said five other profiles were on it and that his was the most degraded. So I hope your team feels fulfilled in playing that. Uh is there any more? I'm happy to play every clip that he has on the ready. Anybody? You said you said you had some new evidence at the beginning of the >> Yeah, we should show that text message that you read just because I think that's important for the public. You shared it out of context. >> I'll do it on my show. I'll share the uh the text. >> So, you're going to read it on my show but not show it. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> I'll show it on my show. But that's that's what I'll do. I'll show it on my show. >> Can I ask why? >> Well, because I want to drip out the evidence. You know, it's that's got to drip out that evidence. Keep people coming back for the show, right? I don't know if Snark serves you so well. >> I'm just saying like um yeah, I'll I'll I'll release it there. Um yeah, that's that's my intention, but yeah, I'm fine with closings if you want to do closings. >> Well, I also would just if if I may ask a question. Is is that a permitted? >> Go ahead. >> Um just so I also have clarity since your basis has been evidentiary, you keep saying that you have evidence or like you are following evidence. Which one of the charges against or or all of them do you think Tyler Robinson is guilty of? >> Um the specific charge. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So I think what I think is that um Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. >> Yeah. But of the seven charges that he's he's being charged with. >> Yeah. Can we list them real quick? I'll tell you exactly which ones. We'll pull them up. >> Well, do do you know any of the charges he's up for right now? >> Yeah, of course. But I want to make sure that we have them listed. >> Yeah. But but like that's Can you name one? Because my my general perspective is that you don't actually care about this case. You're not following it. That's the That's the question. You're just not following it. >> It seems pretty like if you're going to engage and you're going to say the evidence is overwhelming that Tyler Robinson is guilty. I just think that you should like Can you tell me one? >> Then let's do the counter. You can really Yeah, this is a great guy. >> No, no, no. You just got to ask me play clips out of context. Put me in the hot seat. So please just answer the question. all seven since you've been following the case. >> Okay, sure. You name You name one. >> Yeah, you named all seven. >> I'm happy to do that, but can you name one? >> Uh, I think he's I think he's been charged with murder. >> That's actually incorrect. >> Okay, great. Now, name all seven. >> He doesn't even [laughter] This is like >> Name all seven. >> And And And I I >> Can you name all seven? >> I I can. >> Then do it. >> Sure. You don't have to. >> Do it. No. Do it. I'll count them. Go ahead. >> You don't have to put your fingers up. I >> Okay, hang on. Name them. >> Yeah, sure. >> Name them. Uh the first charge is aggravated murder because that's what carries a death sentence in the state of youth. No, that's not that is literally not murder. Okay. >> And so just so people No, don't I don't have to do it in a time limit. There's nothing going on. And just to explain to people the difference of why that really matters and shows that he doesn't actually care about this at all. Is because aggravated murder uh it's it's narrowly defined and he carries a death sentence. I'm not I'm going to answer the question. You're just going to recognize that your strategy of thinking that people are intimidated when you try to put a time constraint doesn't work and you'll be better the next time you debate. >> I got it. I got it. Give me give me the other ones. >> If the more you cut me off, the longer I'll take. Do you want to just wait for me to finish of why? That's a big difference so that people don't want you to list the charges. >> Yeah, I'm going to do that. You just don't get to pretend that there's a time constraint for me to do that. >> Well, how how long does it take you to list seven charges? >> I'm cuz I'm speaking. You just got to >> It sounds like you're just delaying it cuz you don't know them. >> I I know all seven of them. And I'm going to say again cuz you're going to get embarrassed. I You don't have to rush this. I'm also showing an example of a very flawed debate strategy. I actually am under no time constraint. >> I got one. >> Great. The second charge is the felony discharge of a weapon. >> Uh the next two charges are for obstruction of justice. >> Okay. >> The next two charges are for witness temp tampering. And the final >> What's the specific charges though? >> That is them. Obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice. Witness tampering. Witness tampering. >> Okay. W And there's no other specifics to him. >> Well, we I can tell you why he's being >> No, no. Just the the charges and then seven. >> Yeah. See, the bad thing is when you try to be an a-hole and it doesn't work. >> What's the seventh? >> The last charge is uh violence in front of a minor. >> Okay, got it. So, then he's being charged with murder. You just say aggravated murder. >> That's the distinction. You just want to >> It's a It's a massive It's like you can't even You cannot say murder versus aggravated murder. >> This gets to [clears throat] the entire crux of why him being up up up for the death sentence. And I actually find the defense's filing about why this is not aggravated to be uh very compelling of why it's not aggravated murder. I actually think that if the state was going to even try to pull this off, they should have charged him with just murder. Um and then I do also again want to stress to audiences that that debate strategy of thinking that you have to speak faster or somebody puts your hand up and they try to pretend like it's some sport. I think he thinks it's a blood sport. It's not. It's about being right and being principled when you're engaging. And you can make mistakes. I make mistakes all the time, but at least be genuine in pretending that you care about this case enough to know one of the seven charges that are up against Tyler Robinson when you say the evidence is overwhelming that he's guilty. Um, if you would like to move to final statements, I'm fine. I want to make sure Andrew has had the time that he has requested. >> I think your team would like to pull up the seven charges that he just asked you about. If you guys want to pull that up just to confirm >> the seven you went through. Can you guys zoom in a little bit for >> aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm, uh, obstruction of obstruction, the obstruction of justice, which is counts three and four, five and six, tampering with a witness, and count violent >> I said offense in the presence of a minor >> child. >> Yeah. So five, six, tampering witness, thirdderee felony. Now, I did notice something I just was curious about if I'm just wondering. When you pulled out your phone just before you asked that question, did somebody by chance text you that question? You can check my phone. >> I'm just curious. >> No, you can absolutely not. I didn't I have not had one communication with a single person. Not even my producers who are in there this whole time we were here. You want to check my phone? >> I'm happy to do it because you're just going to get double embarrassed. Where's my phone? >> You want to see it? I'm just curious. Yeah, >> you can literally do that. Here you go. PBD, >> you're the moderator. Take it. Let's see. >> See if anyone was texted at all during this debate. >> All right. >> About the violent charges or anything? >> I'm looking through this. You give me permission. So I'm looking at full permission to go through my phone. I don't need to cheat. >> So the last one has nothing to do with it. It's just a compliment. >> Mhm. >> I haven't even read my text messages. >> That's a compliment. >> He's reading them. [laughter] >> You're okay. You're giving me permission. I'm just going to read three of them for 11:32 cuz after that I don't need to read it. >> Any other texts? Could have been Telegram. Could have been something. >> All I have is signal. You can check that too. >> I only have signal. >> Telegram I used in Russia and that was it. I downloaded information. >> I'll take your word for it. >> Yeah. I I don't need to like I deeply care about this case. I don't need to pretend >> you deeply care about the case. I just you know I have my other question is about the steakhouse receipt. >> You just said that you were done asking all your questions. >> So you know nothing there >> there. I don't >> Yeah. Do you have the steakhouse receipt is my question? >> Um I have said several times that I have I have never said I have the receipt for the steakhouse. I have said the person who was working on that story is going to be forthcoming with the receipt and that was what I was responding to and he then dropped the receipt. He redacted elements of it and I said, "Stay tuned. He's the one working on that story." >> Okay. So, you you haven't actually confirmed that Robinson was at that steakhouse. >> All I did, as I said earlier in this conversation, was I spoke to the owner when when I broke that story. I think it was back in January. I spoke to the owner, understood what had happened um and that there was a receipt. That's it. That's the extent of what I shared is what happened. >> Okay. So, to be clear, there's no receipt. You >> I just said the opposite. that I said there there is >> Well, you don't have a copy of the receipt. >> I the receipt was published online. >> Yeah. Right. With blurred out. >> The person working on this story. >> Yeah. >> That blurred that out is what I was referring to when I said stay tuned and keep following his stuff because he went to go which do what I hadn't done which was he interviewed the actual server. >> So there's no evidence that Tyler was at that steakhouse. >> I I would say the receipt with his debit card number it would be some hard evidence if that I agree with that. So that's it. But you're questioning me. But is there as of right now >> he paid if you're asking me did he pay with a credit or debit card? The answer is yes. >> No. No. No. Is there proof that that was actually his debit card that he paid with? >> I think you should follow the person that um is behind that story. >> Well, the reason I'm asking you is because you always include it in your timeline that he traveled to the steakhouse. >> Yeah, we've been building a timeline with things that we feel are >> But is there any actual Utah 1102 approved? I think speaking to the owner, knowing that there's a receipt, seeing the receipt, uh, is good enough to put on our timeline. >> But the receipt itself, the question I always had about it is, couldn't you just call the merchant? Like, if I've ever had a merchant account, I just call the merchant account processor and say, "What's the name on this?" >> Yeah, I would I would stay tuned. I I feel that the haven't spoken to the owner that the evidence is compelling enough to put onto my personal timeline of what took place on that day. Uh, that's where it's going to stay. And if it gets debunked, I'm happy to take it off if that's what you mean. That's how an investigation works. Um, like I said, I did more than enough. It would definitely pass the test by the Utah 1102 rule for sure. For certain >> to be submitted as hearsay. >> Well, yeah. Beyond that, because they didn't even have receipts. They were like, "Bob told me." >> But the question But the question is the receipt itself, it has not been verified to have been Tyler. I just want to say you're holding me to a higher standard than you are. >> I'm not even holding I'm just asking specifically. >> Yeah. I I I've been very forthcoming. I've told exactly what happened. I spoke to the owner. I got the tip and I >> So, should that be added in an official timeline that you >> It's in my timeline. It's my show. And we can add and subtract what we want. And we do if we get >> You can do what you want. Sure. But I'm asking should you include a thing that you know hasn't actually been verified to be Tyler Robinson? >> Yes, you should. If we're trying to build a timeline, you should. Yeah. >> You don't think that that falls? and you should remove it if you if someone somehow debunks it. But I think that the there is very strong evidence that that is where he was and that >> what's the strong evidence? Just the two people who said that they saw him. >> You know, I'm I'm actually all good with being I I I feel like I've sufficiently answered your question about how I got the information, what happened next. Uh would the next stage of this investigation being somebody accessing his knowing what his debit card was and confirming it? Yes. And I do believe that that will happen. And if it does not happen and it gets debunked, I'll remove it from my personal timeline that I share on my show. >> That officer, the first officer that was up on the roof, >> do you remember his name? >> Officer Bagley. >> Yeah. What was his first name? >> Christopher. >> Christopher. Um, when Christopher got up on the roof, you talk a lot about how his camera died. >> Well, he talked a lot about that during his camera died. Yeah. >> Do you think that he planted that screwdriver up there? >> No. >> No. Who do you think planted it? I if we're just going on my Am I allowed to have an opinion? >> Of course. >> Uh at this stage, I would say that I I don't buy his um assertion on the stand that he didn't check to see if anybody went onto the rooftop before um he got up there. I I do think that it's possible. It's at least plausible that the the uh screwdriver was planted. I don't believe him. What I can say strongly is that his uh cam died at just the right time. his body cam died at just the right time. I think that as you were just grilling me about whether or not I had got the merchant receipt for a debit card, that kind of makes difficult that we just have to sort of trust that a screwdriver was found and we don't have any should be evidence of a police body cam. But like I said, you accept that stuff and then are like, "Did you call the merchant and get like it just seems like you >> Well, I'm not adding like I said, you hold the prosecution to a to a bit a higher standard than you do unconfirmed evidence to an official timeline that I'm putting out either. >> What do you mean official timeline? This is my timeline. I made it at home. >> So then it would be official to your show. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Okay, great. So then the your your official timeline, Candace Owen's official timeline, includes a steakhouse stop that has not actually been confirmed at all. >> Well, yeah, it hasn't even been discussed by the prosecution, so it's it's not like you're debunking that it happened. >> Well, there's no there's no evidence for it. There's no good evidence for it at all. There's no camera there. And the steakhouse receipt itself has never been confirmed to be Tyler Robinson's. I'm assuming this is just like a talking point they gave you and you got to like keep pushing this or like >> I've been following it very closely on X >> the receipt. You didn't you weren't even following the charges of Tyler Robinson but you really wanted to know following it very closely because Wait, you think >> I'm calling owners of state houses and having a conversation you're following? >> I literally followed the entire trial or the preliminary live. I was live with an attorney. We covered all of it. You think because I have a momentary or lapse where I'm like, "Oh, it's murder." No, it's aggravated murder. Come on. You didn't know any of the charges. No, that's not splitting. It means you didn't follow the preliminary hearing at all. >> No, it doesn't mean that you don't know any of the charges that are against him when this is like the this is like getting literally to the crux. Aggravated murder versus murder. >> It's a ridiculous sentence. And not only that, let's point this out. >> Uh, one of the major things here is that this is your official timeline. >> It's mine. >> Yes. Who else could it be? Who else? >> It would be Candace. I just don't know what his issue is with my timeline. >> What's your issue with that? >> Well, so the issue is is that the entirety of the evidence revolves around two people who claim that he was there >> and supposedly a receipt. There's supposedly a receipt where Tyler Robinson paid for his steak and his soft drink. No alcohol, right? No alcohol, right? You know nothing about the case. But um anyway, this particular receipt, they could have called the merchant account, confirmed it, this type of thing. To date, this receipt has only the blurred information on it that would actually give you the information to confirm whose receipt it is. We have to date, nobody has confirmed that this was actually Tyler Robinson's receipt. And yet inside of Candace Owen's timeline, which she states over and over again when she says, "This is the longest 13 hours. This is 13 1/2 hours." The requirement for about what roughly 5 and a half or 6 hours of that is that he went to the steakhouse. >> And so, and that's not been confirmed at all. Not even a little bit. >> I feel like saying that I spoke to the owner of the steakhouse is me like not just being on X looking at opinions, but actually doing the leg work. Um, and that's why I, like I said, if you think this builds up a rapport with your audience and makes you seem like a serious person, I we don't have to keep belaboring the point here. I feel like I've demonstrated that I did as much as I could to confirm this when it came in. I spoke to the owner of the restaurant. Um, you know, obviously took down everything he said, noted that there was in fact a receipt that he pulled. Um, that receipt that was published is real. Uh, a debit card and a credit card was used. If for some reason somebody misidentified something down the line or we find out it's a different Tyler Robinson, uh, I'm happy to remove it from my timeline, but for right now, I I think that there's enough under the Utah 1102 rule for me to keep it there. I don't really think we need to keep going into circles about this receipt. It's it's my timeline. I don't I don't know why the 1102 rule would apply here for years >> because you were constantly cite things that are said in that courtroom that have less evidentiary support than me contacting and speaking with the the um the owner of the restaurant. It's not like I dreamed it as to use your expression. So, it's in my timeline and I'm going to keep it there if that's >> sure you can keep whatever you want there. I'm just saying that there's no evidence he was ever there. >> Okay. Thank you. I think >> no hard evidence anyway. Yeah, we're I'm fine with closing. >> Okay. So, the last thing we're going to do before we go into ad break right after this will be final thoughts. I'll be asking both of you if anything if if anything on your opinion, thoughts changed on the case, uh, and then we'll finish it up from there. So, with that being said, a three and a half minute break and then we'll come back for final thoughts. 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For the right person, this could be the last company you ever work for. So, if you're watching this and you want to learn more, [music] go to vt.com/couriers All right, we are finally at the end. For those of you that are watching it, maybe a good commentary for you would be the following on if you're a Andrew fan and you still are still saying, you know what, Andrew's arguments were solid. Great. Candice, great. But did anything change your mind? Did you watch and say, you know what, I had this position over here. this would be an interesting commentary to hear. And of course, for all the people that are watching, I was just whispering to them here uh before we wrap it up. I think whether you're a fan of Andrew or not, whether you're a fan of Candace or not, nobody can dispute the fact that these guys agree to sit down and talk live, others were thinking this was pre-recorded. This is not pre-recorded. Just so everybody knows, this is purely live. This is a little bit scarier than pre-recorded because pre-recorded can do edits. So whether you agree with them or not, let's make sure we respect both of them for having this sit down. And before the final thoughts, I want to make sure you guys hear that from me as well for inviting inviting me here as well. >> Of course. >> I do know one day uh uh I think it was last week you sent a message on one of our accounts. She said, "Can I talk to Patrick?" We got on the call. You said, "Patrick, can you moderate this?" And then I said, "Great. Let's do this." >> And so before we wrap up, final thoughts. I'll come to you first. >> Yeah. She had nothing. just nothing [laughter] any for all of her claims of pathy nothing. She didn't have a single claim. She didn't have a single solid piece of evidence. She had no positive evidence Israel's involved in anything. No positive evidence that um France is involved in anything. No positive evidence TPUSA is involved in anything. No positive U evidence that Erica Kirk is involved in anything. when I ask her about her claims about Erica Kirk. Yeah, it's just fun and it's just fun anding, you know, or yeah, I do think that she needs to sit down, ask some questions, but uh or answer some questions, but you know what? Um I don't even know if she has like maybe she has. I have no idea. Yes, I'm going to have an official timeline with unconfirmed evidence. That's just fine. Hey, it's it's hearsay. If that's good enough for the state, it's good enough for me. But my biggest problem with the state is that they're ad admitting all this hearsay. [laughter] It's like it's she's a contradiction machine. On top of all of this, the thing that I wanted to get out of this more than anything else was to just demonstrate one thing. Yes, it's true. I'm not perfect on the case. I'm not going to ever pretend that I am and never did. But what has been very made very clear to me is that there's nobody with an alternative theory that has any evidence for it at all. None. Zero. and the continuous uh kind of expression, we're running an investigation. What kind of investigation builds a timeline out on on a receipt that they they don't even confirm? What kind of investigation uh tries to make these bold claims that Israel's involved and France is involved and all these different players are involved and never shows any evidence. We're just asking questions. It's my It's again, like I said, my opening. It's always intuition, my feelings, how I feel about things, how I think about things. You, Andrew, how many times you hear this today, Andrew, you can't tell me how I'm supposed to think. Yeah, nobody's trying to tell you how to think, but you should rationally come to your conclusions based on evidence and facts. And the truth is is that 90% of what you're saying is simply intuition-based. It's it did it came to me in a dream. It's intuition. Almost none of it has any evidence at all. just I'm skeptical cuz these people over here said things and that makes me skeptical. It's like but no evidence. Note this to the audience to everybody watching. You might hate my guts. That's fair enough. I get that. I'm not the most likable man. I understand that too. But there was nothing I mean no evidence at all that Tyler Robinson was a pathy that was ever uh put forward by Candace this entire debate. Now, maybe you could say that we stalemated when it came to whether or not Robinson did it. She says, "I found the evidence convincing." I unconvincing. Andrew says he found the evidence convincing. Okay, fair enough. Maybe you can't do too much about that. But there was nothing. She had nothing for Robinson being a pathy. Nothing for any of her conspiracies. Not a zero zilch. And she backed away on a bunch of them. This is the first time I think she's ever really backed away from the twigs thing. First time I've heard her back away from the Erica thing, back away from TPUSA, being very cautious about making any of those claims now. Whereas on her show, much more likely to be making those claims. So, she just had nothing the entire debate. Zero >> Candace. >> Uh, well, I think that is quite a conclusion admitting somewhere. Maybe we stalemated. It probably signifies what I've been saying from the beginning that you didn't feel that you were strong on the actual facts and the EV evidence which I was willing to engage with you. I wanted to go over the screwdriver. I wanted to go over the tal and things that you've mentioned and you wanted to then move the conversation into a defense of Erica Kirk and her character um and what I've said about Erica which is my opinion and I have not edited that opinion after discussing with you. Um, I would like to extend a compliment to you for being willing to sit down and to have the conversation. I still walk away feeling that the people who are jumping on the bandwagon about this case don't care about this case. They don't care about Erica Kirk. It tends to be follow that they take a meeting with Turning Point USA and they come out and suddenly have a lot of junk to say about Candace Owens. And I do want to also stress that Turning Point USA tried to pepper him with something as a surprise. He showed clips that were meant to be a surprise. I did no such thing. I stressed to PBD from the beginning that I was grateful he was taking Mana and that I wanted this to be a clean debate because I believe I can win this on the merits and I believe that I did win this fully on the merits by engaging the evidence of what has happened. Um, I do still believe that there is more evidence which supports that there are more people involved and that Tyler Robinson has been set up. Uh, and that none of the evidence that was presented was in any way overwhelming, which is why I think you wanted to move to end that discussion quickly and to speak to me about France and uh, to talk about this Panguage receipt and my timeline. I I want to remind people that a lot of the athome investigators which you were open to as you called them internet sleuths I think it was on a show that you did right after Charlie was assassinated that internet sleuths would solve this. Uh this is the reason why Charlie a year on is still a conversation every single day trending on Twitter. I knew Charlie, I cared about Charlie. I care about um finding out what the truth is here. My heart is in the right place. I think anybody who watches my show or even just watched this debate knows that if I get something wrong, I'll instantly correct it and own it. I don't I'm not arrogant. I don't need to sit here and pretend that I didn't misspeak on the Lance thing. It hasn't been ruled out. Uh but you saw that he just really wanted to hammer that point. You know, part of being a well-meaning person is to concede when you are wrong, to take something off a timeline when you know it's not right. And I would like to think that that is why I have earned the audience that continues to follow me because they know my heart's in the right place. that I deeply cared about Charlie and I deeply care about the answers. Um, I want to thank Andrew's team who were providing the fact checks. It's a very small room that they're in. Um, I want to as always thank my team who worked really hard to make this happen and flip the set. And for to you, uh, PBD just for being a great moderator, I think very fair, letting us both speak and making sure that Andrew got out of this what he wanted, which is a little more than what I wanted. But um I'm very content with how I dealt with this and I I won't let I trust I don't need to convince the audiences with the magic trick of what they need to think about this debate. They can watch it and draw their own conclusions. >> Beautiful. Fair from both of you. I think the audience won and again uh from the beginning. Uh all of this is because of how much love and respect we have for Charlie Kirk, a great man that's no longer here with us. His one-year anniversary is coming up here. I can't believe it's that quick that is here. The audience, I think you also won. If you did support the Crucible, support the Candace show, support the PBD podcast, subscribe the channel. This is how you help these voices get out even more, especially going into future when this happens. You want a lot of independent creators to have these types of discussions. And last but not least, the two of you. I uh respect you guys again for having this conversation. It is not easy to do so. Hopefully, this will lead to more discussions. A lot of different things we talked about. I'm sure there will be a lot of follow-up. With that being said, take care everybody. God bless. Have a great weekend. >> Bye.