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Is Charlie Kirk Still Sitting On Ice? Where's His Body? Erika Kirk, Tyler Robinson Case, Utah Law
YouTube video by Baron Coleman Clips (@BaronColemanClips) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w53FFbG4hjU). OPINION COMMENTARY by Baron Coleman (Baron Coleman Clips (@BaronColemanClips)) — one commentator's contested analysis of the Charlie Kirk assassination and the State v. Tyler Robinson prosecution. These are his own assertions and theories, NOT the court record, NOT established fact, and NOT endorsed by profoundd; some make unverified allegations about named individuals. Archived here, attributed and lane-separated as commentary, so the claims can be weighed against the primary record — the tyler-robinson-trial hearings and filings in this same collection. Inclusion in this archive is not evidence of truth.
that have access to that database could search by his name and it would pop up and it would say whether he's been cremated, where it was done, who It It's It's It's morbid and it's dark, but we have real questions that remain about what became of Charlie Kirk. You know, he died in a rather fantastic event. It was a rather wild moment. And everybody sort of looked around and assumed proper protocol would be followed. The question is, was it? Because if it was, why do we not know to this day what happened to his body? Was he buried? Was he cremated? Did he have a funeral? Uh we won't we can't know because the participants at the alleged funeral, as Candace disclosed uh long time ago, but again yesterday, I believe or she believes were forced to sign an NDA to go to their own family's funeral. Like, can you imagine being the cousin and having to sign an NDA with penalties attached to it? Very bizarre. Very very bizarre. Uh so, let's take a walk through this, shall we? Because there are some legal requirements in Utah what happens to a body. And I'll just outline them broadly before we start pulling up statutes and looking at them because this is again going to be a dense day. Um if you die in Utah, we talked about this yesterday. If you die in Utah and it's a suspected gunshot wound, in in most instances, there will be an autopsy. But as we learned yesterday, to much to my surprise, over the weekend I discovered, an autopsy is not required. An autopsy can be waived by the medical examiner if nobody else asks for one. So, if the county attorney or the attorney general asks for an autopsy, the medical examiner has to perform one. But if neither one of them asks for an autopsy and the medical examiner shows up and says, "Eh, we don't really need to do an autopsy here." They They have to do one. No autopsies required. So, what happens if the medical examiner takes custody? Cuz we're told the medical examiner took custody of the body. We saw a parade of people that included the medical examiner. And that parade of people supposedly went to the medical examiner's office in Taylorsville. What's funny about that is there were news cameras all over the place and nobody seemed to remember him coming. But there is actually a statute of what happens when the death appears this purple part right here. Where the death appears to have occurred under circumstances listed in 26B 8-205 and I will submit to you that that is a gunshot wound. Subsection one of that is a gunshot wound. The person or persons finding or having custody of the body or jurisdiction over the investigation of the death, so that's the medical examiner or the county attorney or the police, shall take reasonable precautions to preserve the body and fluids so that minimal minimum deterioration takes place. That's subsection C, right? So, the medical examiner has a responsibility here. Until the conclusion of the autopsy, there has to be some sort of But once the autopsy passes, is there any additional requirement? And if there is no additional requirement, does that help inform us maybe why an autopsy was rushed? Rushed. I'll give you a follow-up here. Here are um situations where autopsies are authorized and the reason why this two right here is a verb. The medical examiner shall perform an autopsy to aid in the discovery and prosecution of the crime. So, you want to make sure you protect the state's interest. Also, to protect an innocent person accused of a crime. In other words, if we have a criminal defendant before we have a completed autopsy, the medical examiner is no longer just but they actually have a statutorily a statutory duty The medical examiner has a statutory duty to the accused, meaning Tyler When did we get Tyler Robinson? When did he show up? Well, he didn't show up allegedly until He didn't show up till the night of September 11th. Well, where was Charlie's body the night of September 11th when Tyler Robinson showed up? It was in Arizona. That's fast, ladies and gentlemen. When Charlie was not declared dead until the early afternoon, some point, 1:32, 2:30, 3:00, sometime like that in the afternoon on September 10th, you wouldn't think the body would already be in another state 30 hours later? 33-hour manhunt. 33-hour 30 hours later, you wouldn't think the body would be in another state. And this becomes an important factor when you think about the speed with which this entire thing was done. Because one of the things that can happen one of the things that can happen with a um with an autopsy, with a body, is the uh the criminal of the accused can request an extension. I'll show you this right here. This is a thing. This is a thing. Uh release of the body for funeral preparations. Where a body's held for investigation or autopsy under this chapter, the body shall, if requested by the person given authority, so that would be the wife, be released for funeral preparations no longer than 24 hours after the arrival at the office of the medical examiner or regional medical facility. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we know when that took place. We think that happened around 8:30 or 9:00 p.m. on September 10th. That's when it arrived at the medical facility. And at that point the clock starts running. They have 24 hours to get the body ready and released. They have 24 hours to complete the autopsy after it arrives at the medical facility. We saw the body, supposedly, we saw the body leave Timpanogos Hospital at 7:57 p.m. It's about a 30-45 minute drive. Let's call it 45 minutes to get the body inside the medical facility. That's when the clock starts running. If the medical examiner still has custody that body within that whole 24 hours and a criminal defendant comes along and says, "You got the wrong guy. I don't believe that happened." They can file a request in the district court of Utah to hold the body, not release the body. In other words, they can go to a judge and say, "Judge, this is very unusual circumstances. We think they've got it all wrong here. You need to hold the body and allow a a more thorough investigation to take place. Allow potentially defense people second autopsy, second opinion." That extension may only be ordered by a court. That's that section B right there. So, you might get some sort of an idea of why everything was sped up so fast. Now you're starting to look and say, "Hey, oh oh oh oh, it didn't make sense to me why there was such a hurry to dispose of Charlie Kirk's body." Recall last night we talked about all of the autopsy pictures were taken on September 10th. That means the autopsy, we believe, could have been done by midnight that night and released. They didn't even get to the They didn't even get there until like 8:00 Let's call it 8:30. Let's say they drove really fast on the way there and they wheeled the body in. Uh yanking and banking, is that what Brian Harpole called it? Let's say they were yanking and banking on the way there and they just like catapulted the body out of the It was gone 3 and 1/2 hours later? Like gone from the building? The The autopsy was done? Are you kidding me? That's super fast. That's really, really fast. That's like 20 and 1/2 hours before the statutorily expected 24 hours passes. But if you don't know when somebody might be arrested for the crime, and you don't know if that person's going to request an extension, and you really don't want a second set of eyes looking in on what's going on, and you don't want a court getting involved, and you don't want extensions being granted, and you don't want a court to say we need to hold this body for 2 weeks in the morgue, and keep him on ice because we're going to have to get a second team in here, they're going to look at it. If you If you don't want any of that to happen, there's only one way to prevent it. Get that body the heck out of dodge. And what better way to do that than to have the Vice President of the United States show up and say he's coming with me. What What state medical examiner is going to look the Vice President in the eye and say no, sir, we've still got time on our hands. We don't We don't have to release this body for another 5 hours. Enjoy the tarmac, sir. If you don't feel safe, you can get back up in the air. But we don't have to release this body for 4 more hours. Probably not going to happen. Probably not going to happen, but if let's say Dan Flood and Brian Harpole show up and they're like, "Hey, we're taking the body." No, no, no, we're not You can't take the body. We've got time here, we're taking our time, we're letting the clock run, we got to see what's going on. >> [sighs] >> So, what does it take to get a body out of state in Utah? Because this seems extraordinarily fast. A lot of people have commented on this, that this seems extraordinarily fast. We have a rule on that. There's a Utah requirement. It's called a disposition permit. A disposition permit, believe it or not. Uh this is it. This is the office of administrative rules authorization for final disposition of deceased persons. This is the rule for the removal, transportation, and preservation of bodies. If you're going to remove the body, you have to obtain permission from the next of kin, that's Erica. You have to determine whether the medical examiner has been notified that that was taken care of. Um and this is to remove it from the hospital. Um and then you have to uh know where it's going, right? Now you got to transport it. If you're going to ship a body, and that's what happened here, that body has to be embalmed by a licensed embalmer. And then it's got to be placed in a particular uh shipping container. Now, we got to preserve it. You can't hold it in transit more than 24 hours after death after death. It has to be maintained at a temperature no more than 40° Fahrenheit. I don't know how they did that on two. Maybe put it down in the cargo hold and just let it freeze with the rest of the luggage. I don't know. And then there are penalties associated with this here. Um but you have to get this permit. You have to get this disposition permit. It's a It's a um Let me see if I can There it is. A burial transit permit. And this has to be filed with the state. The burial transit permit has to be filed by the state. In other words, state offices aren't open in the middle of the night. The middle of the night, in order to transfer the body from one place to the other, you've got to create a record. So we we have to know where it went. There is some record out there that will tell us where Charlie Kirk's alleged body went. These are the burial transit permits right here. Another code section. I told you it's going to be a little cap and gowny, at least at the beginning. It's going to be a little bumpy for those of you who don't like words. >> [laughter] >> And some of you don't. Some of you don't. Uh requis uh registration prerequisite to interment burial transit permits. We know there was a certificate of death for deaths and fetal deaths which occur in this state, no burial transit permit is required for let's see, it's not going to be in the state because we're going to need one because this is disposition occurs in the state. Well, that didn't happen. Disposition occurred in allegedly Arizona and the burial the burial transit permit shall be issued by the local registrar of the district. So, this is a this is something you have to get approved by a government official. This is something that cannot happen in the middle of the night. A burial that's body's coming in right here. And so, you have this you've got this requirement. Again, there's a paper trail that's coming up. A lot of people alerted me to this. I got a lot of tips on this. People said, I just don't see how it's possible. I had a I had a grandma die in Utah and we wanted her to take her back to Colorado to bury or back to Nevada to bury. And what I've learned is a lot of people have ties to Utah but they live in the surrounding states. And so, they want to be they die in Utah they want to be buried in Utah one of the other. And so, you have to get these permits going back and forth. Most people tell me these permits take weeks to get. Like your body stays on ice for 2 weeks, 4 weeks because these permits take forever. Not when you're Charlie Kirk. Not when you're Charlie Kirk. There's actually a requirement in Arizona for incoming people. We have that statute if you are so bored and would like to read it as well. I'll go ahead and flash it up here just so you know we're not making it up because we get accused of that sometimes and it's not true. This is the disposition of disposition transit permits. This is for human remains coming in from out of state. You have to they have to be embalmed and they have to have this permit. They have to have a permit. Funeral establishment responsible person must submit the information required and get this again, another state record. So, now we'll have a state record in Utah, we'll have a state And the reason this is important is you can't just go cremating somebody or burying somebody without telling without filing with the state where you're doing it. So if Charlie Kirk has been buried, we're told he was buried. I think they hinted he was buried maybe. Maybe we weren't told he was buried, we were hinted he was buried. Uh we're told there was a funeral at a at a cemetery. Most people when they go to funerals at a cemetery assume the body goes in the ground. Uh but there are a lot of people if he went in the ground, there's a record somewhere. Someone in Arizona has You can't just you can't just put somebody in the ground. Now, let's say they decide we're going to fake a burial and we're going to cremate him instead. We're going to fake the burial, we're going to have all the family show up, they're going to sign NDAs. We're going to put the casket out there, we're going to tell everybody we're going to bury him, then they're going to leave, and then we're going to go cremate him. You still have to have a record. You still have to have a record. Meaning there's some bureaucrat in Arizona that has access to that database. And that bureaucrat not just one, there are probably hundreds of bureaucrats in Arizona that have access to that database could search by his name and it would pop up and it would say whether he's been cremated, where it was done, who presided over it, or whe- whether he was buried, where he's buried, and who presided over it. If it ha- if the final disposition took place in Arizona, that would be on the record somewhere. Someone in Arizona working with the state is able to confirm that. Probably not on the record because I don't think they're allowed to do that. >> [laughter] >> But you know how people are, curiosity gets the best of people, and they they look at the disposition permits and say was he buried or not? I hear all this conversation about he wasn't buried. Let me just look it up real fast. permits and say was he buried or not? I hear all this conversation about he wasn't buried. Let me just look it up real fast. And they would be able to tell you real quickly, was he buried? Was he cremated? Or do we have a record of neither? Nor do we have a record of him being transferred out of the state, which means he's just hanging out somewhere. He's just on ice somewhere. Literally on ice.