IN THE SUPERIOR COURT OF THE VIRGIN ISLANDS
EXHIBIT H
IN THE SUPERIOR COURT OF THE VIRGIN ISLANDS
Division of St. Thomas/St. John
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In the Matter of the Estate of: )
)PROBATE CASE
)NO. ST-19-PB-0080
JEFFREY E. EPSTEIN,
)ACTION FOR TESTATE
Deceased. )ADMINISTRATION
Official Transcript
FEBRUARY 4, 2020
BEFORE: THE HONORABLE CAROLYN P. H. PERCELL
Magistrate Judge Presiding
APPEARANCES: ARIEL SMITH, ESQ.,
PAMELA TEPPER, ESQ.,
Assistant Attorneys General
Department of Justice
GERS Building,Second Floor
St. Thomas, Virgin Islands
{ On Behalf of the Government}
0 William Blum, Esq.
Christopher Kroblin, Esq.
Marjorie Whalen, Esq.
Shari D'Andrade, Esq.
Andrew Tomback, Esq.
Daniel Weiner, Esq.
{On Behalf of the Co-Executors
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APPEARANCES (Cont'd) Douglas Chanco, Esq.
{On Behalf of Jennifer Araos}
Kevin D'Amour, Esq.,
{On Behalf of
Jane Doe 1,000 and Jane Doe }
Richard Bourne-Vanneck, Esq.
{On behalf of Tela Davis}
John Benham, Esq.,
{On Behalf of Jane Doe}
Melody Westfall, Esq.,
{On Behalf of Claimants
Jane Doe 1-12}
Sean Foster, Esq.,
{On Behalf of Anonymous Claimants
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I -N-D-E-X
Motion Re: Appointment of Appraisers 12
Motion Re: Appointment of Master 22
Motion Re: Fee Applications 36
Motion Re: Quarterly Accountings 49
Motion Re: Claims Resolution Program/
Criminal Activity Lien Notice 63
WITNESSES DIRECT
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Kenneth Feinberg 158
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25 was approved and signed by Justice Cabret
January 30th at 2020. And we have your oath
that was attested by the Clerk of the Court,
Attorney Handy February 3rd at 2020. So you
are properly before the Court. We will now
swear the witness.
Thereupon,
first having been duly sworn, was
examined and testified as follows:
DIRECT EXAMINATION
By Attorney Tomback:
Q. Please state your name?
A.
Q. Where do you live?
A.
Q. Did you come down in St. Thomas
specifically to testify in this proceeding?
A. Yes.
Q. And are you familiar with our
filing indicating on January 9th in our brief
that you would be here to answer questions
that the Court may have?
A. Yes.
Q. And where were you most recently
employed?
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25 Q. Is it a confidential program as
well?
A. It's confidential to the extent
that we, as the program administrators and my
staff and contractors, would be protecting the
privacy of the victims. We wouldn't be sharing
any information with the estate or publicly.
But the confidential requirement is
unilateral. It's only imposed on us and
there's no requirement whatsoever that
claimants limit their-- what information they
want to share with whomever they wish -- you
know, investigators, the public. This is an
alternative to civil litigation and so we have
no intention to interfere with any sort of
criminal proceeding .
Q. Are you familiar with the civil
lawsuit that the Attorney General of the
United States Virgin Islands filed in the
other court?
A. Yes.
Q. And have you read the Complaint?
A. I have.
Q. And direct your attention --you
probably don't remember this, but I'll tell
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25 not agents of the estate. We're not here to do
their bidding. We make decisions on the design
and I will make designs on the administration
of the program, how it operates, and how
claims are determined based on our own
judgment and experience and the estate has
agreed to be removed from any part of that
process.
Q. And so just to focus in on an
individual claimant's claim and the amount of
compensation that the program, and you as the
administrator, arrive at, the statement
provides that quote, the estate will have no
authority to reject or modify the
administrator's determination on any basis or
as to any claims, close quote. Why is that
important to the program and the claimants?
A. It's important because to allow
the estate a say in these decisions
compromises the key-guiding principle of the
program. It compromises our independence; it
compromises our claims and confidentiality; it
compromises the non-adversarial nature of the
program.
Q. And with respect to the program it
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25 whether you can say we can back out this
amount, whatever is going on in the civil
court should not be affected; we believe the
estate, if the Attorney General, the
Government of the Virgin Islands was to
prevail, this will be the amount that they
would recover and so we can safely expend
these monies on this program, but remember the
question was because we don't have the
quarterly accountings, we don't have the full
evaluation. We don't know what the estate
consist of.
ATTORNEY TOMBACK: Your Honor, I
understand. Can we start with Mr. Feinberg
just to address the subsequent concerns that
the Attorney General have with the program, if
I can call him?
THE COURT: Just call him quickly.
Thank you, . We have all exhibits
admitted?
Thereupon, KENNETH R. FEINBERG,
first having been duly sworn, was examined and
testified as follows:
DIRECT EXAMINATION
By Attorney Tomback:
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25 Q. Mr. Feinberg, before you were
sworn in, I think you have all the exhibits in
front of you so it would go much quicker.
THE COURT: He's already sworn
in.
ATTORNEY TOMBACK: He already
sworn in?
THE COURT: Yes, we were good on
this one.
By Attorney Tomback:
Q. Where do you live, Mr. Feinberg?
A. Washington, DC.
Q. Did you come down here just to
testify in this proceeding?
A. I did.
Q. Where are you employed?
A. I'm the Law Office of Kenneth R.
Feinberg, PC.
Q. What do that firm do?
A. We specialize in alternative
dispute resolutions, mediations, arbitrations
and claim programs like the one proposed.
Q. Would you just describe briefly to
Your Honor your experience in this matter?
A. I started in 1984 with the Agent
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25 Q. I mean, that's a very fine point I
asked. It's not really clear to me whether the
Attorney General is concerned about finding
too many people eligible or finding too many
people ineligible.
I mean the goal of the program,
right, is to figure out the people who are
truly eligible and to accurately figure out
what is just compensation?
A. Correct.
Q. That's the whole game, right?
A. Correct.
Q. Okay. We covered the concern about
being forced to come to New York or not being
heard. If need be, could you envision coming
down here, I guess you or coming
down here if there's enough people here and
meeting with claimants?
A. Absolutely. Don't forget, what
these people often want as much as
compensation, if not more, is validation, is
acknowledgment, the opportunity to be heard
and this is something that is a very important
voluntary aspect of the program.
Q. Ms. George complains that the
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25 program, quote, contains no assurances that
the information submitted by a claimant cannot
be later used against her if she thereafter
decides to file suit against the estate or any
other co-defendant.
Is that criticism grounded in
the way you see the program?
A. No. No. The protocol expressly
secures the confidentiality of anything
provided by the claimant. The claimant, and
the claimant alone, decides the extent of
transparency or disclosure - not the program,
not the administrator, or the estate.
Q. A few more, on Page 6,there's a
concern that notes, quote, the program
provides no protection to claimants who
voluntarily provide information that may later
be used to defend the estate from claims or
provides evidence against other victims. Does
the program work that way?
A. No. The program seals all the
information and various common law and
statutorial privileges apply. We've seen that
in these other programs - attorney -client,
etcetera; settlement discussions, etcetera.
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25 litigate or pursue other remedies.
Q. Is the estate vulnerable to third
party claims and how does that work if, in
fact, the estate does not receive a general
release from a compensated claimant?
A. That's a very interesting
provocative question raised by the Attorney
General and others. And as stated
earlier, the scope of the release has not yet
been finalized. The estate has to make a
decision. Does it want total peace?
, you will pay what
ever is necessary to secure a comprehensive
release so we won't be cross -claimed by a
claimant or alternatively now, if a claimant
wants to release the estate but litigate
against X or Y, that is up to the claimant.
So that is a critical issue and
you can argue both ways and I think that the
estate and the administrator and the
plaintiffs' lawyers are discussing that at
this time.
Q. Page 8, Ms. George complains that
the program, quote, does not specify whether
the administrator is permitted or required to
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25 share evidence with law enforcement, thus
positioning the program as a potential means
to conceal criminal activity, close quote. I
take it that wasn't an accusation that you're
trying to conceal anything, but in any event,
what's your view on that?
A. In the forty years that I've
designed and administered these programs, law
enforcement has never sought to secure any
civil confidential information.
In the church cases, the
Attorney General of various states have come
to us and said, you know, you have a lot of
information about wrongdoings by Clergy and we
refused to--we work out with the Attorney
General, go see the diocese or the Church.
Don't come to a program where claimants,
individual victims have participated in a
program on the absolute guarantee of the
administrator that information that have been
submitted will not be disclosed to anybody.
And that is a very important part of this.
Claimants do not want information disclosed.
Q. The program, would it respect that
wish of claimants?
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25 A. It's expressly spelled out in the
protocol, yes.
Q. And they can still go to law
enforcement. Period. Full stop. It's up to
them?
A. It's up to them and they can go
public. That's up to them. The estate cannot.
The administrator cannot.
Q. On Page 8, Ms. George says that
the program, quote, presents an unavoidable
conflicts of interest, close quote, between
the executors and the program. She said, the
Co-Executors have, quote, an inescapable
conflict of interest in recommending a program
that proposes to compensate any individual or
entity making such allegations requiring in
return overly broad releases. Do you have a
view on this?
A. You have to ask the estate on
that. I can tell you that before we agreed to
take on this assignment, and
myself and Ms. Biros, we have received
absolute assurances from the estate that they
will play no role in the day-to-day
administration of this program.
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