From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]>
From: jeffrey E. <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 11:50 AM
To: Larry Visoski
Subject: Re: GIV update
any issues with turning on wing heat at altitude?
On Sun, Apr 10, =016 at 7:17 AM, Larry Visoski <mailto > wrote:
Jeffrey
Message fr=m Pete,.below:
Dave and I are at airport no= in case you decide to depart earlier than 10am„ Plane is fuele= and ready,.
From Pete:
Hello Jeffrey,
Larry knows that I am long winded with my responses,<=span>
Here is my brief-
Feel free to read all at =our leisure-
They are mostly my thoughts=so far-
I suspect that the right precooler (fan air) modulating valve is bad=
They are both original.
From the last vid=o and Photo's;
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The readings show that the left side is being given = voltage to the Torque motor sending a pressure to command the
valve =o be partially closed.
Zero volts, zero =ressure is for full open, ie: cold air into the precooler and lowering the=temperature into the supply
system.
The =ignals show a steady state condition; 3 Volts, 3 PSI.
The valve has been sent signals, and has responded correctl=, and therefore is in the proper position to maintain 400
degrees in the s=pply system.
This is being monitored, an= controlled by the controller, and the sensor inputs.
There is no signal from the valve, the temperature monitori=g circuit controls the changes required.
The right side shows that it is b=ing commanded to close due to the high voltage, and pressures.
<= style="margin-top:Opx;margin-bottom:Opx">( 9 volts, 9 PSI)
=t seems that the signals are not being followed, or that the valve cannot =espond to them.
Since the control system=does not see the temperature change from the sensors, it continues to incr=ase the pressure
to the valve.
Brief complete-
As for the full version-=/p>
This was done as a draft, please excuse any dup=ication for items noted in the brief, these were my original thoughts.
I agr=e with all that you stated-
The guidelin=s are for what the electrical system does.
We have found a bad controller- the sweeping voltage and pressures, and =eplaced it-
There was also a bad sensor =hat was replaced-
=span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">We have swapped the pr=ssure regulator/torque motors.
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Latest sw=p was the Anticipators.
There seem to be=multiple issues, and we are narrowing them down.
I believe that the electrical and control systems are now operatin= normally.
Now on to the air side of it.=/span>
F=om the last video, and photo's-
I be=ieve that the left side is operating properly.
The Temp is being controlled by sending a regulated pressure to the =alve, and it responding.
The pressure su=plied is closing the valve, and maintaining the 400 Degrees requested.
No voltage equals no pressure, Valve open, l=wering the Temperature.
style="margin-top:Opx;margin-bottom:Opx">The right side shows giving a close signal to the pr=cooler (fan air) valve.
High Voltage, an= pressure supplied to the Valve on that side to close, and increase the te=perature.
That side doesn't seem to =espond.
The valve has a 4 inch input/out=ut side.
The control line is about 1/4 i=ch.
That is one of the lines that we fou=d collapsed, and started us on this direction.
Is it possible that the suppl= air is not being able to overcome the pressure at the valve?
The pressure read at the panel is a control pressure,=also known as "Muscle air".
Ma=be the input air at the 4 inch diameter inlet, can overcome the control ai=.
I again suspect an issue with the LP v=Ive-
There is no valve position, or feedback signal from the valve-=/p>
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The electrical signal is showing to close the v=lve,
The pressure is also showing to c=ose the valve.
One way to check is to select Wing heat on-
The system causes the applicable side to remove the sign=ls, and allow the valves to go full open.
Wing heat is not normally used at altitude-
When the aircraft is in below 0 degrees temps, there is no reason, sin=e any precip won't stick.
Ask Larry =f there any issues with selecting the wing heat on at altitude-
=p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">l don't believe that there are any limits to th= altitude, but the fuel burn
will be increased.
Just a quick check-</=>
The ground=checks for the precooler system are limited,
Engines running, there should be no air flowing from the lower pylon h=at exchanger at idle-
Increase power, an= there should be airflow noticed.
My tra=ning manual shows that the valve should start to open at about 74% HP on t=e ground,
Wing heat on, there should be =irflow.
Regards,
Pete
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