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Smith, Hulsey, Schwalbe and Nichols Professional Association, 37
500 Barnett Bank Building, telephone 904/359-7700. This
interview was conducted in the offices of Mr. Hulsey, who is
an attorney for Charter Oil Company of Jacksonville, Florida.
Following this interview, the interviewing agents requested
that the results be reduced to writing and a signed statement
prepared for Mr. Nasife to read and sign the following day.
On July 29, 1980, Lewis Isaac Nasife furnished the
following signed statement to the agents identified below.
Present during the reading and signing of this statement
was Hark Hulsey, Jr., Esquire.,-. _" '.. i _Y?" 1 '5
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of the FBI. I was born January 6, jT. - 1931, at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and I have "
been employed by Charter Oil Company Charter!,
- Jacksonville, Florida, as a buyer for crude oil for
approximately two years. I have a Business Adinis- _
tration Degree from Temple University, Philadelphia, .and reside at Post Office Box 494, Sawgrass Ponte ,;,7C;Vedra Beach -Florida, residence phone h <-extension"
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"By way of background, Charter Oil Company,
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of_September 21, 1979. At this time, Carey was, '
under Bahamian laws,'in a form of bankruptcy
having defaulted on payments to National Oil Corpora-
tion of Libya and National Oil Company of Iran for
purchases of crude oil for the Freeport refinery. V '
The purpose of Charter purchasing Carey was among
other things that Charter management felt that with
its expertise in buying crude oil and refining it,
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ment decision to purchase Carey Energy Corporationand the negotiations that followed were totally
unrelated to any contacts I had with Billy Carter
or any of his associates.
"To the best of my recollection, several weeks
vice president of New England Petroleu Company, a A
subsidiary of carey. Jack McGregor advised me that
Billy Carter was an old Marine Corps buddy of his.
I knew from newspaper accounts that Billy had hosted
a Libyan trade delegation in Georgia, and appeared
to have a line of communication with at least some
Libyan Government officials. McGregor told me that
Billy could arrange for the purchase of Libyan crude
oil through his sources. The fact that Billy Carter
would profess to have such contacts was not unusual
to me in that I routinely received calls from individuals
known to me to not be in the oil industry or having any
knowledge of crude oil purchases, yet professing to
have contacts to obtain oil. During this telephone .
conversation with HcGregor, a meeting was scheduled
for August l7, 1979, with Billy Carter at Americus,
Georgia, to follow up on this potential opportunity.
i "On August 17, 1979, Jack IcGregor and I met *§?§7_
* Billy Carter and his associate, Henry Randolph Colemanggggbetter known as Randy, at Billy Carter's residence. >§{@#
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for Libyan oil which would not be embargoed. By thisprior to August 17, 1979, I received a telephone _., lat
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anniversary celebration in Libya and that upon hisreturn from Libya, he would inform me regarding progress-=of this arrangement.
¢_,<*"I,sent two letters to Billy, both dated August 21,"T§79. »The first letter summarizes our discussions
and sets forth our tentative agreement. The secondletter contains suggested guidelines in negotiatingthe supply contract with the Libyans. Copies of theseletters are attached. ' '
_ "at this meeting on August 1?, 1919, Billy explainedthat he had developed a rapport with certain Libyan
political officials. »
Following my meeting with Billy Carter in Georgia,I went to Libya and discussed with Libyan commercialoil representatives Carter's proposal. These wereofficers of the National Oil Corporation of Libya NOC! and Brega Marketing Company Brega! with whomCharter had previously negotiated existing crude oilsupply contracts. I was concerned and did not wantto jeopardize these existing crude oil commitmentsCharter had with Libya, which were totally separatefrom any commitments Carter might secure. I was
assured by these officials that any negotiationsCharter had with Carter would not jeopardize such4 existing arrangements. These same NOC-Brega officerssaid that Billy Carter was dealing with Libyan politiciansand that these politicians think highly of Billy Carter.These same Libyan NOC-Brega officerssaid that if g_.anyone could secure a contract to purchase Libyan ,f§};;].crude oil that Carter could. "Following Carter's .%%%§%7',-return from Libya, I had a few telephone conversations ii,.
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apd requested that I send a telex to Randy Coleman, 5who at that time was a registered guest at the Libyan'
Palace Hotel, Tripoli, Libya. I complied with this
request on March 3l,'l98O, and had K. R. Landymore,
a vice president of Charter Oil Bahamas! Limited,
send a telex of even date, a copy of which is
attached. "
"Then on April l, 1980, Billy Carter, in the
company of another of his associates, Jim Murray,
drove to_Jacksonville, Florida, to meet with me and
~other Charter representatives. In a meeting, whichincluded lunch, progress toward obtaining Libayn
.crude oil was discussed. Billy advised at that?@ime that he was still confident that he would be
able to perform his part in such an arrangement.
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and eventually these negotiations simply faded away.
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Charter and the Libyan Government as a result of these
negotiations with Billy Carter. In addition, no
contract was ever signed between Charter and Billy _
Carter and no monies or anything of value were ever
paid by Charter to Carter.
"To my knowledge, Jack lcGregor was the only
individual who suggested that we utilize Billy Carter
regarding additional acquisition of Libyan crude oil.
"Attached to this statement is a copy of the
release the Charter Oil Company recently made to the
press concerning this matter. ~
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Telephone 904-368-4395 - Telex 55-3415
August 21;-1979
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Americus, Georgia
Dear Billy:
This is a tentative agreement outlining a payment schedule for Libyan
crude which we would purchase on contract due to your efforts. Thiswould be a contract separate and apart from our existing contract
with Brega Marketing now in effect. Brega Marketing is the marketingarm of National Oil Corporation N06! of Libya. l
During these times of short crude supply we, Charter Crude Oil Company
would agree to pay,$.S5 fifty-five cents! per barrel on all barrelslifted as§"result:of your efforts. As the market and supply changethen this fee would change with the lower limit being $=04ffourcents
per barrel. we would agree to meet periodically to review conditionsand price, and either party could at any time request a meeting thoughone was not scheduled. It is my understanding that the anticipated
volume would be approximately 100,000 B/D. 'It is our intent as I'm
sure it is yours, that any agreement we enter into would be fair and
equitable for both parties.
It was_certainly a pleasure meeting with you, your family and RandyColeman. I trust this meets with your approval and is in agreement_with your understanding in accordance with our meeting of Friday,
August 11, 1979. »
Looking forward to our next meeting and wish you much success during
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_~v-I am outlining some of the conditions that you should discuss during
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Try for 60-day credit terms in lieu of the present 30daysg The pid tenms were 60 days from Bill of Lading Bit! datef' This may be possible by an additional payment of $.25 per barrel for the additional 30 days.
Include in the contract the right to have technical
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_ If I can be of further service please let me know.
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The Charter Company receives approximately 1C0 contacts a month from
various individuals purporting to have access to short or long-term supplies
of crude oil,,_Such contacts are often accompanied by a reference to a Specifig
~ . -=1-fr,-.;.; T Ytype of crude oil from a variety of different oil production locations. _*5§?$?*~
Generally speaking, individuals bringing such propositions have as part <~:~~ T
ofgtheir proposal a commission fee ranging from Sc a barrel to occasionally
as high as SZ of the total cost per barrel. J
' The gigluee of Charter Oitronpzay is to acknowledge such contacts
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handle such gggpositions in this regard. Individuals brokering crude oil
are especially prevalent during periods of extreme short supply of crude
oil worldwide. It is common practice in most oilproducing countries to
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3. Through allocations of oil to various individuals.
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:$EQUENCE OF EVENTS: CONTACT FROM BILLY CARTER ' p
Billy Carter and Hr. Jack MacGregor, a former executive vice president
of Carey Energy Company and currently a consultant to Charter, at some 9018i
in time had conversations regarding potential brokering of Libyan oil by"~* ?
H. Carter. ax. HacGregor contacted The Charter Company and set up a mee§#§§N-_. ,., r
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Carter and his business associates. ' At this meeting, Hr. '
he could obtain "up to 100,000 barrels per day of Libyan oil_and inquired 3;
to whether or not Charter would be interested. Hr. Rasife indicated
we would be interested if the price were such "that it were economically
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to Hr. Carter if he could obtain a _longterm supply of Libyan crude oil ati .
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On August 21, Hr. Rasife sent a letter to Billy Carter acknowledging. the
meeting in Georgia and summarizing the basic terms that were discussed at
that meeting- A second letter the next day further described the particular,
grades of Libyancrude oil that Charter would be most interested in. Several4 1-? AI! ' . ' - '.telephone callés'occurred over the next several months inquiring of progress.
During this period, Mr. Carter suggested that'the wolumes of crude oil that could
be available might be closer to $0,000 to 00,000 barrels per day. rather than
the 100,000 barrels per; day discussed initially. g '_ '
_ On April l, 1980, Billy Carter drove to Jacksonyille at his own expense
to meet with _Nasife. In a meeting over lunch, progress toward obtaining
the oil was discussed, and Billy Carter stated at that time that he was still
encouraged that he would be able to obtain the oil. lir. Carter was accompanied '
by a Mr. Hurray. Jack Donnell, President of Charter Oil Company, also '
accompanied the others to lunch. Charter paid for the lunch which totaled
about $20. , - 0 ., _.,_ '
One day before this April l meeting, ha Rasife sent a telex to bir. Randy
Coleman, Hr. Carter's business associate, who was'at that time in a_ hotel in e.
Libya. In that telex, Hr. Nasife indicated that Charter would be_interested
an additional contract on the same terms which Charter's existing contract i
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contact with Billy Carter simply faded away. _ - ~,
On June 30, 1980, at 4:40 p.m. Hr. Rasife received an inqniry from 11;, -.
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' The Charter Company has had a relationship with the National on
Corporation of Libya since acquiring Carey Energy Corporation in March of 1979.0
Charter: transactions with Libya in the settlement of litigationagainst Carey Alf
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professional, a?3;e~boa.z.jQ"at all timesrand businesslike. Libya has always "
honored all business agreements vith Charter, verbal or vritten. At no time
haveany political favors been requested or granted. u
After the initial contact from Billy Carter, Charter vent through the ,- -3 »
, . ="process of determining the" viability of this contact. The Company was aware
that Billy Carter had hosted the Libyan" Trade Delegat-ion to Georgia and appeared ~
to have a line of;-tommzmications with at least some Libyan .officials. Hr. '
Hasife contacted Ali Houderi, a member of the Libyan Diplomatic Mission, in0-I
order to discover if the. Billy Carter contact had any potential. Mr. Houderi
indicated that Billy Carter had a good rapport with his Libyan friends and
that there may be a potential for him obtaining Libyan oil in order to pursue,
thiagproposition. Based on this information, Charter determined that the
Billy Carter contact had some merit. At that time, Libya was prodncing
approximately 2.2 million barrels per day and it seemed reasonable that F '
might be additional oil_av_ailable.
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any reason exchanged hands. There was no attempt or suggestion to ag mi
payments it the deal were consummated, and _as part of Charter: standard
operating procedure we informed Hr. Carter that all dealings that we hav'cm{ggt,_; " _ - .'-__..";;>:.-. . -__- I";'_T:..._;92conform the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, and Hr. Carter fully supported V,e-=>~". . » ' a @~r$m:a;narequirement. _ , , . A: ?@-Pr"?
4Q ' . In exploring this proposition, Charter had-nothing to lose and potentially
could gain additional oil for refining operations which had at that time excess V
capacity. _ Qnly the delivery of oil would have triggered any action on our
part. If crude oil become available, Charter and Billy Carter would have '
entered into a formal agreement which specifically delineated the terms of the ~
/* -transaction d commissions to be paid. _ At that time, the'commission rate -
for transactions of this type was as high as'$3 per barrel. In negotiations _
with Bi1ly4Carter, a commission structure was discussed at the rate of 55¢ per '
barrel, which would decline if the strength of markets changed downward to as,,>}.._.;f;;1'_-5. - 5%
low as Sc a barrel. -Such a transaction, had it become an eventuality, would
a ' ~ . a " .have been high_ly attractive to Charter at that time since crude oil in world
markets was selling $10 to $12 above official government selling prices.
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for their shortterm and long-term economic benefit to the operations of Charter
Oil Company. During the course of the discussions with Hr. Carter, a signi-
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- Attached hereto are the results of interview ofEr. Philip J. Visa,-Jr., Appointment Secretary to the_ Proaiient of the United States, conducted on June 4, 1980:
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Philip J. Wise, Jr., Appointments Secretary to V.
the President of the United States, was interviewed at
his office in the White House.
He was advised of the official identity of the ~
interviewing Agent and told that he was being interviewed' '
about a possible violation of the Foreign Agents Registration
Act by William A. Billy! Carter, Ill. Mr. Wise voluntarily_
furnished the following informationz
He reviewed his telephone log, listing calls he A
received at the White House, for the period October 1, 1978,
through January 11, 1979. ~ .
During this time, he received no telephone
calls from Billy Carter and has not been asked by him to
intervene with anyone at the United States Department of
State USDS! on behalf of Billy Carter or the country of_
Libya concerning the sale or release of airplanes to Libya.' I
» If he had been asked to become involved in
contracts or the sale of airplanes by Billy Carter, he
would have referred the matter to the National Security
Council NSC!, rather than referring him to anyone at theusns.
He does not normally deal with the USDS and would
not act as a go-between for Billy Carter with that agency.
At this point, he was specifically asked if the
log or record of telephone calls were subpoenaed by the
court in this investigation if there would he no record
of any call logged therein for the period October 1, 1978,
through January ll, 1979, from Billy Carter to him. _
He stated "I can't say we his staff! could not
have missed" or failed to record one, but none were found_
in the review of the log for that.period.
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