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1 DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OIG CASE 4: 2019-010614 /-1 I eiriS4/OF DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AUGUST 12, 2019 FENTON TRANSCRIPTION 28720 Roadside Drive, Suite 250 Agoura Hills CA 91301 Phone: SDNY_00007896 EFTA_00001020 EFTA00135369 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 1;414IlY BY: BY: WITNESS: 4 4/e OTHER APPEARANCES: SDNY_00007897 EFTA_00001021 EFTA00135370 3 • • 1 MR. : Today is Monday, August 2 12. The following will be a voluntary 3 interview of BOP in 4 furtherance of OIG investigation to be determined, for the purpose of transcription, 6 will now identify all present in the interview. 7 I'll ask everyone to say and spell their last 8 name, as well as identify their working title 9 and employer. 10 I am Special Agent 11 , Office of the Iris e .or General. 12 MR. Special Agent 13 II with the FBI. 14 EMPLOYEE 15 Federal Bureau of Prison5. Mina 16 17 18 19 MR. : Thank you. 20 21 IrglaKCIAigtell Um-hum. 22 MR. : -- you have reviewed and EMPLOYEE 23 signed Department of Justice OIG Form 226-2 24 which is Warnings and Assurances of Employees 25 Request to Provide Information on a Voluntary SDNY_00007898 EFTA_00001022 EFTA00135371 4 1 Basis. Do you have any questions about this 2 form? 3 No. 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 MR. : Would you like time to review it with an attorney, or would you like an attorney here? EMPLOYEE 22 For now, I don't need an attorney. MR. : Okay. Are you currently under the influence of any substances, or is 11 there any reason to prevent you from fully 12 understanding my questions 13 truthfully today? as. 14 15 16 17 18 EMPLOYEE MR. and answering I'll now swear you to the statements you're about to make. Please raise N\ your hand and repeat after me. MR. : Hereby solemnly swear or O1 22 affirm. miummum Hereby solemnly swear or CCIIIIIIIP 23 affirm. 24 MR. : That the statements that 25 I'm about to make. SDNY_00007899 EFTA_00001023 EFTA00135372 5 MR. : Warden would you mind 1 EMPLOYEE 22 That the statements I'm 2 about to make. 3 MR. : Shall be the truth and the 4 whole truth. F2,1P -' 5 Shall be the truth and the 6 whole truth. 7 MR. : Thank you, sir. 8 EMPLOYEE Um-hum. 9 10 telling us a little bit about your career 11 BOP? When you started, how you became a 12 Warden? 13 roggioynistrom 14 . hu. you moved up the A, 15 ranks. 16 makesurtam I started out as a sinr lk 17 Correctional Officer, and I was promoted to a 18 Lieutenant. From there, I went to Special 19 Investigative Agent at our regional office, and 20 then I went from there, I was promoted to 21 Captain, and then I was Associate Warden, and 22 then from there I went to DC as a Chief 23 Internal Affairs, and now in my present 24 position. 25 MR. : Great. How long have you with SONY 00007900 EFTA_00001024 EFTA00135373 6 1 been the Warden? 2 3 4 2018. EMPLOYEE I've been here since May of MR. : Okay, great. Just, your 5 role, you've done a lot of internal 6 investigations with the prison and you've 7 worked with the Department of Justice kle 8 EMPLOYEE Um-hum. 9 10 a note for the record, you're aware that 11 failure to be honest with us today would be 12 considered a criminal offense; correct? 13 Irm3flynomolg Yes. 14 15 little bit about some overall policies at the 16 prison to start with. 17 V Okay. 18 MR. : So, actually let me back MR. p moving forwar just as 19 up. We're here today to talk about, 20 specifically Jeffrey Epstein. 21 ILVISMIIII Um-hum. 22 MR. : The inmate. 23 raf[O 13O.41. Um-hum. 24 MR. : Would you mind just 25 telling us a little bit about when, your Okay, great. Let's talk a SDNY_00007901 EFTA_00001025 EFTA00135374 7 1 2 3 4 understanding of, when he was of he arrived, placed, and when he arrived and that type how he was placed, where the reasons behind that? I don't remember the EMPLOYEE 22 5 specific date he arrived, but we didn't, what_‘ It' 6 happened was, we weren't told that he was going 7 to be coming to the institution. 8 MR. : Okay. A 9 gpmsommostill When he initially came, he 10 was dropped off on the weekend, and we didn't 11 find out until Monday, myself, that he had been 12 placed at the institution. And from then on, 13 we, you know, went through the whole process of 14 the screening, his medical stuff. Just normal 15 procedures that we follow and (Indiscernible 16 *00:04:04) . 17 ,14lir MR. Okay. Now when you say 18 "he was dropped off over the weekend", when 19 somebody arrives at the facility, what's the 20 normal -- 21 I mean typically if 22 somebody's that high profile -- 23 MR. : Um-hum. 24 NUMINUMO -- we should've been 25 notified and said hey, he's coming in. We SDNY_00007902 EFTA_00001026 EFTA00135375 8 1 weren't. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 You know, I mean, we saw it 4 on the news, but it didn't say. They just said 5 they had him in custody, but we didn't get any 6 formal, I didn't get any formal notice that he 7 had been brought into the institution. 8 So, he was dropped off, and you know, the 9 Lieutenant on shift processed him in and 10 brought him into the institution. We didn't 11 find out or realize it until Monday. 12 MR. : So, it was Monday that you 13 first were officially made aware of it? 14 EMPLOYEE 2 That I was made aware. You 15 know, we found out, and I don't remember if it 16 was from looking at the news reports, we put it 17 together that he had been brought into the 18 institution. We went through our Monday 19 morning meeting that we went through. So, 20 that's when -- 21 MR. : When he first arrived, was 22 he placed in general population? Do you know 23 where he was placed? 24 I don't recall where he was 25 placed when he came in. SDNY_00007903 EFTA_00001027 EFTA00135376 9 1 MR. : At some point, he was 2 placed in Special Housing Unit? 3 Yes. 4 : Known as the SHU. Right. EMPLOYEE 6 : how did he end up there? 7 ratasionstary Well, he was a new 8 commitment. He was high profile. So, we 9 placed him in the Special Housing Unit so we 10 can further evaluate, you know, his status. Is 11 he ready for general population? And we do 12 that with all inmates, but --4I 13 MR. : Okay. 14 EMPLOYEE -- and then to see, okay, 15 any separation issues. Any threats to him, 16 before we put him out there in general 17 population. 18 MR. : Was he ever in general 19 population? 20 I don't recall. I don't, 21 I'm not sure if it might've been the first day 22 when he came in. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 L:41_:.But I'm not sure, so I mean, 25 I would have to look at the 37 to confirm. SONY 00007904 EFTA_00001028 EFTA00135377 10 1 MR. : But as far as you know, 2 that Monday, the first business day after the 3 weekend he was initially dropped off. 4 Right. 5 MR. : From that point forward, 6 was he ever in general population? 7 No. 8 MR. : Okay. What are the 9 policies in terms of, or is there policy that 10 dictates when somebody goes into general 11 population from the SHU after the first 12 arrival? 13 minummual 'Jell, what we do is we 14 evaluate the individual to see if they're ready 15 for general population, if they can hang, you 16 know -- 17 C jims : Um-hum. 18 -- if they can populate. MR 443l,sb LAI_ I.L_ : Okay. And it's a number of O2 1 factors. It depends. I mean, if I have a gang cloeullimp 22 member coming in, I'm taking into consideration 23 separation issues on it. If it's, you know, 4q1 24 somebody that might've been fraud or bank 25 fraud, then we determine if it's any issues of SDNY_00007905 EFTA_00001029 EFTA00135378 11 1 them going into the general population. So, 2 it's a case-by-case basis on how we determine 3 it. 4 MR. : Okay. What are the 5 policies in terms of when you're notified if 6 someone enters Special Housing Unit or is 7 discharged from Special Housing Unit? 8 LA1_ 9 routed 10 Form. So, several people sign it. They review 11 it. I believe psychology, CMC, the Captain, 12 and it goes to the Associate Warden and then Well what it is is, it's the individual, it's called a Release 13 they sign what we call is a Kick-Out. Meaning 14 everybody's reviewed i5;land said, okay, this 15 person is appropriate for general population 16 MR. : Okay. For Mr. Epstein, 17 after that, he was never put in general 18 population; correct? 19 IIIIIIIIIIII No. 20 MR. : Was the determination to 21 keep him in Special Housing? What was the 1/4.0011(lpillim. 22 communication that goes on there? 23 al.eLOYEE 22 Well we, now initially when c 24 he came in, it's the goal to determine, okay, 25 can they go to general population. SONY 00007906 EFTA 00001030 EFTA00135379 12 1 : Okay. 2 EMPLOYEE So, between evaluating him, 3 at the same time, we're looking at saying, 4 okay, can he go to general population. 5 MR. : Um-hum. 6 EMPLOYEE So, it's a dual role th 7 we're going to -- 8 MR. : Sure. /Or 9 ipmaosoommig But I had gotten word, and 10 don't recall the date, where from my Regional 11 Director which stated he's not to go to general 12 population until further notice. 13 MR. : The Regional Director, 14 where is that in the chain of command for BOP? 15 ipomigovoommig We have five regional 16 offices. Nk 17 MR. : Okay. J 18 Each region has a Regional I 19 Director. 20 MR. : Okay. 21 This is the Northeast 22 Region. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 rwpaswmpatm Where we have 21 25 institutions. So, he supervises and is in SDNY_00007907 EFTA_00001031 EFTA00135380 13 1 2 3 4 5 charge of the 21 MR. MR. institutions. : Okay. So, is he -- (Indiscernible *00:08:37). : -- your direct supervisor? He's my director supervisor. L It _ 6 MR. : Okay. Who is that? (phonetic sp.). tinaosogeom Yeah. 10 MR. : And told you, 11 do you recall if it was verbally or an email? 12 Phone call? .‘11414 13 14 magagung We had talked about it, too, but I would have to check if there was an email 15 to go with it. But we did talk and said, hey, 16 we're going to hold off on putting him out in 5=-J 17 general population. 18 MR. : Okay. Do you recall when 19 you officially were, you and , spoke 20 about this? 21 ENP-OYE- 22I don't want to give you the 22 wrong date. But it was within that, you know, 23 maybe a couple weeks after he arrived. 24 MR. : Okay. So, it was a few 25 weeks after he arrived -- SDNY_00007908 EFTA_00001032 EFTA00135381 14 1 Right. 2 MR. : Okay. After 3 told you to keep him, or it was agreed upon -- 4 Um-hum. 5 MR. : -- to keep him in Special 6 Housing Unit. 7 Right. 8 MR. : Who did you notify that he 9 was to stay in the Special Housing Unit? How 10 does that communication -- 11 EMPLOYEE So, what !IV,ibs is I get my 12 exec staff together -- 13 MR. Um-hum. 14 rimummommtil -- which is my Associate 15 Wardens, the captain, my exec, and we have our 16 meetings, and I tell them he's not, you know, I 17 lay out the specific instructions. He's not to 18 go out to general population. And -- MR . EMPLOYEE L. MR. EMPLOYEE 23 start. 24 MR. : Were there, sorry. Go ahead. : No. And that's basically how we : Okay. 25 Yeah. SDNY_000079O9 EFTA_00001033 EFTA00135382 15 1 MR. : Were there any other 2 specific directions or instructions given to 4 Well, so at the time of him 5 staying in there, we had to find him initially, is:Sfr 3 the staff regarding him? 6 a roommate. 7 MR. : Okay. 8 L_!1_" So, and it's hard especially 9 in Special Housing Unit when you've got gang 10 members in there that are not appropriate to be 11 housed with. So, we came up with, I came up 12 with Tartaglione, who was in there. White 13 male, probably be able to cope with him. And 14 that's typically how we, you know, that's part 15 of the evaluation process. 16 MR. : Is it standard for inmates 17 in Special Housing Unit to have cellmates? 18 milimiggi We typically would like for 19 them to have it. 20 MR. : Sure. 21 IUMMIIIIIIII But certain situations 22 dictate that they can. If an inmate's a total 23 separation from a group, and we get word from 24 US Attorney's office or the arresting agents 25 that, hey, he's to be totally separated, then SDNY_00007910 EFTA_00001034 EFTA00135383 16 1 they would be housed by themselves. They could 2 have an incident in the institution, you know, 3 for example our gang members, somebody has an 4 issue, and for example, the Bloods, then we 5 have to say hey, let's separate him from there. 6 You know? 7 MR. : Was there any directions 8 specifically that Mr. Epstein was to have a 9 cellmate at all times? 10 Immussi From psychology when -- 11 : Okay. 12 oprzizocatineat said hey, that he's 13 required, he needs to have a cellmate at all 14 times. 15 MR. : Okay. And that occurred 16 later on? When he first arrived, there was no Nk 17 specific directions regarding that; correct? 18 guissiggi No, it wasn't. 19 : Okay. 20 EMPLOYEE L.- Wait, let me. 21 MR. : Sure. 4(4?::t 11)22: You mean when he first came in were we talking about him having a cellmate? 24 25 MR. : Initially. I don't recall any talks L:11 _ SDNY_00007911 EFTA_00001035 EFTA00135384 17 1 about him. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 Initially, and trying to 4 figure out when he first came in, how he was 5 housed. I don't recall how he was housed when 6 he first came in, but -- 7 MR. : Okay. The MCC is 8 stranger to high profile -- 9 irinaosmemil Right. 10 MR. : -- inmates. Generally 11 speaking, how do you normally, or generally 12 handle these type of high profile inmates? Any 13 other special considerations or concerns. How 14 does this work? 15 potaistordaine4‘ Again, you come in. We 16 evaluate him to determine, okay, if they can go 17 out to general population or not. We've had, 18 you know, we've had a bunch that come in that 19 were able to go out. We had Siock (phonetic 20 sp.), you know, the phone that, I don't know if 21 you recall, the one that sent the bombs to the LOO1 1(lpillim. 22 ex-presidents. 23 25 MR. III: (Indiscernible *00:12:41) 24 MR. : Okay. Him. So, when he first came SDNY_00007912 EFTA_00001036 EFTA00135385 18 • 1 in, you know, he was high profile. So, we 2 brought him in to determine 3 FEMALE VOICE: Excuse me. 4 Yeah. 5 FEMALE VOICE: Can you guys step out here 6 for just a moment? 7 MR. : We, pausing the in 8 at 10:55 a.m. (tape paused) . 9 We're resuming the interview wit 10 11 12 MR. IIIIIII; 13 irgoamoostim Yeah. 14 (Indiscernible *00:00:14) . 15 The time is now 10:56. Joining the interview 16 room is Assisting United States Attorney from 17 the Southern District of New 18 19 MS. 20 MR. , I apologize. 1 Can you spell your name for transcription 22 purposes? 4(4iihir 23 MS. : Sure. 24 Thanks. 25 MR. : Thank you. Before we were . SDNY_00007913 EFfA_000O1037 EFTA00135386 19 1 just going over some of the overall high- 2 profile inmates and the general -- 3 Um-hum. 4 MR. : -- evaluation of them. 5 Going back to, you said earlier that a few 6 weeks had occurred. You and the Regional 7 Director discussed keeping Epstein in the a 8 Special Housing Unit. 9 irnaosmemil Um-hum. 10 MR. : How often was the Regional 11 Director being briefed on Epstein? 12 ipmulasmoomail I guess the situation 13 dictated it. If something happened, then we'd 14 notify him, or he needed some questions for 15 him, he would call me. But I don't want to, I 16 don't recall the specific amount of times. But 17 we were in contact. 18 MS. : Um-hum. 41 are l.Frequent contact. MR. : Okay. How often were you, you notified differently of high-profile ci gimar 22 inmates or how often were you being aware or 23 notified of Epstein's housing situation? 24 masummull Well, I mean, he was in the 25 Special Housing Unit. So, I knew where he was. SDNY_00007914 EFTA_00001038 EFTA00135387 20 1 : Okay. 2 So, it wasn't like I had to 3 be updated as to where he was. I knew where he 4 was. 5 MR. : Okay. 6 I mean, I knew that he went 7 on his attorney visits, spent the whole day 8 there. Would be the first one in, last one 9 out. So, I mean, that's what I knew. And then 10 I kind of (Indiscernible *00:02:06) with the 11 attorneys. I had some outside attorneys 12 complain about, you know, they were taking up 13 the attorney room.` 'So, I knew that was, you 14 know, those issues were coming up with the s 15 attorney room. 16 MR. : Okay. Going back to 17 general policies at the -- 18 INWISIONOill Um-hum. 19 MR. : -- within the BOP, 20 actually when Epstein arrive 21 Um-hum. 22 MR. : I think we already 23 covered this, but just to, were any special 24 arrangements or considerations given to him? 25 As far as SONY_000079i5 EFTh_00001039 EFTA00135388 21 1 MR. : Obviously you said earlier 2 he was put in the SHU on Monday. 3 Right. 4 MR. : After, was it, at that 5 point, was there any issues that you're aware 6 of regarding him? Anything that you needed to 7 be aware of other than just who he was? 8 EMPLOYEE No. Just who he was and the 9 basic screening. The intake screening. 10 MR. : Okay. At the time he 11 first arrived, did you have any, was there any 12 notification of any mental health concerns? 13 IrwainToomoil No, not that I know of. 14 : Okay. How -- 15 rogiatolValeta% Are you talking about the 16 weekend he came in, or -- 17 MR. : Yeah. 18 mulimmullsi (Indiscernible *00:03:19). 19 MR. : First arrival. 20 EMPLOYEE That weekend, I don't know. 2assessed and they were, you know, our health 23 service department assessed him and he, I think 24 he might have told him that he had certain 25 medications. 1 But I know afterwards, he was medically SONY_00007916 EFTA_00001040 EFTA00135389 22 2 3 EMPLOYEE MR. : Okay. When -- -- that he was taking. : When inmates come into the 4 MCC, are they all screened for mental health 5 issues or medical issues? 6 Well, yes. They come in, 7 you're screened for your medical. The unit 8 team screens you and psychology screens you. 9 But -- 10 MR. : What timeframe does that 11 occur? 12 Typically like with him, he 13 came in on the weekend. So, it depends if 14 there was a psychologist. Maybe the next day 15 someone would go screen him, the on-call 16 psychologist. But, you know, or Monday if 17 someone came in. But typically the on-call 18 psychologist is there through the weekend and 19 will screen them. 20 MR. : Who is notified of the 21 results of those screenings? cessw -‘,,s, 22 of? 23 MR. : Of the medical screen and 24 psychological screenings, who gets notified of 25 that? SDNY_00007917 EFTA_0000I041 EFTA00135390 23 1 As far as what? If they 2 find something in there? 3 MR. : Yes. 4 Like what would be an 5 example? I mean -- 6 MR. : Any medical concerns that 7 people need to be aware of. Any psychological 8 issues. How does that information get 9 disseminated? 10 11 medical issues, 12 privacy issues. 13 MR. 1%b Because when we talk about some of that falls under SI\ '414 Um-hum. 14 So, you know, it's not going 15 to be divulged as to 16 MR. : Okay. 17 -- just like that. 18 MR. : Sure. 19 But as far as psychological, 20 if it was something that psychologists did an 21 interview and said, hey, there's a mental 22 health issue or something, then she would, you 23 know, she would let her Associate Warden know. 24 She would let me know that, hey, there's some 25 issues. sixmLoommn EFTA_0000 I 042 EFTA00135391 24 1 MR. : Okay. And when he first 2 arrived, were you made aware of any medical or 3 mental issues regarding him? 4 EMPLOYEE 2 Mental health, I don't 5 recall any mental health. But I was told tha 6 he was on certain medications or whatever. 7 it was general. It wasn't -- 8 MR. : Okay. 3 9 ramcovmpooll -- anything major. 10 MR. : Okay. And just, and 11 that's a general policy /for all inmates that 12 arrive? 13 Irwamoomoll The screening, yeah. 14 : Just the medical 15 screening. They all get that? 16 IMEMINNIMIN Right. Nk 17 MR. : Is there any, as a result 18 of those screenings, is there any, does it have 19 any bearing on where they're placed, whether 20 it's special housing or general population? 21 I mean typically if you do, 22 like I said, if you do an intake screening and 23 the individual comes in and they have no 24 issues, no separation issues, and, you know, 25 then they can populate like anyone else. But SDNY_00007919 EFIA_00001043 EFTA00135392 25 1 2 3 4 if there are issues with them going out in general population; i.e., safety issues, then you would be placed in the Special Housing. MR. : Okay. 5 ILIWSSUMWMI Until we could further 6 evaluate if you could go to general population. 7 MR. : If someone during the 8 mental health screening, the mental health, the 9 psychologist deemed them to be suicidal -- 10 Okay. esti 11 MR. : -- what are the suicidal 12 watch policies as it relates to that? 13 NIAWAIMMAI So, if the psychologist was 14 to say, hey, they're suicidal, then they would 15 be placed on suicide watch. 16 MR. : Okay. 17 Now if the psychologist is 4 18 not there and someone exhibits suicidal 19 ideations or statements or thoughts, then 20 they're placed on suicide watch. 21 MR. : Can you explain to me what 22 23 suicide watch is, where it is in the MCC -- It's on the second floor of EMPLOYEE 22 24 the institution, on the same floor of the 25 hospital. SDNY_00007920 EFTA_00001044 EFTA00135393 26 1 : Okay. 2 And it's a cell, and if you 3 go on suicide watch, you're placed in a smock. 4 MR. : Okay. 5 EMPLOYEE That covers you and then 6 you're watched for 24 hours. 7 MR. : Now the smock, is 8 made of paper, or -- 9 EMPLOYEE It's cloth. Cloth? 10 11 12 those movies where they have those heavy bomb 13 vests? 14 MR. : Uh -- 15 EMPLOYEE It's like, you ever see It's something, I mean, I 16 don't want to you know, say, but it's something 17 like that. 18 : Okay. FR sugamaill And it just hangs. 20 MR. : Sure. 91 Mahala Hangs on them just like hours. How are they, is it : And you said they're There's a companion sitting 2 that. 23 MR. 24 25 monitored for 24 mmuommn EFTA_0000 I 045 EFTA00135394 27 1 there. An inmate. 2 MR. : In the cell? 3 No. Outside the cell. 4 MR. : Okay. 5 L: It's a cell where you sit 6 and observe. 7 MR. : Okay. Is the com 8 another inmate or a staff? 9 EMPLOYEE No, it's a trained 10 companion. Now, we have four cells. 11 cells get full, then we have to move them up to 12 the Special Housing Unit and then put a staff 13 watch on them. inmate If those 14 MR. : Okay. What policies are 15 in place for suicide watch as it relates to 16 staff response, notification, how people get \\). 17 notified, if they're moving from suicide watch 18 to off suicide watch. How does that work? 19 IIIIIIIIIIII That works through 20 psychology. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 Psychology evaluates and 23 they'll say, okay, we've evaluated him and, you 24 know, wherever we're going, typically you 25 always usually go from the Special Housing Unit sorcumonn EFTA_00001046 EFTA00135395 28 1 to suicide. So, they'd say, okay you know 2 what, they're ready to go back up. 3 MR. : Okay. What role, how does 4 the program, is the psychologist the program 5 coordinator? 6 The chief psychologist 7 the department. 8 MR. : Okay. 9 lipal2011*0 040-4 And then she has various 10 psychologists that work under her. 11 MR. : Okay. 12 IpmulmaroloWill And then evaluate because we 13 have a different mission as far as we have a 14 forensic mission. So, we get a lot of forensic 15 studies in the institution. 16 MR. : Okay. 17 EMPLOYEE And then we have a regular 18 psychologist also that handles the inmate 19 population but they work together and they 20 handle everything. 21 MR. : Okay. Who's ultimately 22 responsible for placing somebody on suicide 23 watch or off suicide watch? 24 ILIOSSMISSI Well placing it, a staff 25 member comes and says hey, this guy is SDNY_00007923 EFIA_00001047 EFTA00135396 29 1 2 3 4 suicidal. You can place him on suicide watch. MR. : Okay. Anybody in the institution can do that? Yeah. If I come upon an 5 inmate that's saying, "Hey, I'm going to kill 6 myself." Okay, we get him on suicide watch. 7 Psychology comes and, you know, evaluates them 8 and then comes up with a plan. 9 MR. : Within the psychology 10 department -- 11 Um-hum. EMPLOYEE 12 MR. : -- or the medical 13 department there in mental health, who there 14 ultimately makes that decision? 15 EMPLOYEE I believe, and don't quote 16 me on this. T believe the psychologists. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 E:4P-rYEE 22 You know, they're trained 19 professionals. So, they can make a decision 20 and they consult with the Chief in, you know, 21 determining okay what's the plan of action to 22 move forward. 23 MR. : And are you, when 24 someone's placed in suicide watch, are you 25 notified of that? sormuommn EFTA_0000 I 048 EFTA00135397 30 1 Yeah. They send out a form 2 every day stating like who's on suicide watch, 3 who's on psyche observation. So -- 4 MR. : Okay. 5 ILIWSSUMWMI we're aware of who it is 6 and then they'll send out a form if there's no 7 one on there. 8 MR. : You said earlier that AI 9 while on suicide watch, there was 10 11 MR. 12 an observer? 13 14 15 EMPLOYEE 2 Right. How doe nmate become 1‘;74\ It's an inmate companion. A companion, I'm sorry. So, it's a trained program. an observer. 16 So, they have to go through training. They lk 17 have to take courses, and then they become 18 eligible to become a companion. 19 MR. : Who authorizes the use of 20 an inmate companion? 21 The psychology department 1(lpillim. 1/4.)22 runs that. So 23 MR. : Do you have any input as 24 the Warden in selecting or training or 25 implementing the inmate companion program? simuomms EFTA_00001049 EFTA00135398 31 1 No. 2 MR. : Does every institution 3 have an inmate companion program? 4 Yes. 5 MS. : Who's the Chief 8 sp.). (;;I:lir 6 Psychologist? 7 (phon 9 MR. is the one 10 who is ultimately responsible for determining 11 if someone is on suicide watch and removing 12 them; correct? 13 rogiliftwaietey 14 staff. 15 :opaay. 16 irmgmwoomom Because you could be, a 17 psychologist is assigned to the individual when 18 they're working a plan with them. And if they 19 come to the determination that hey, you know 20 what, they no longer need to be on suicide 21 watch. 22 MR. : Okay. But as the clinical 23 director, she's ultimately responsible. 24 emil7 She's not the clinical. 25 She's the Chief Psychologist. conjunction with our SDNY_00007926 EFTA_00001050 EFTA00135399 32 1 2 MR. EMPLOYEE : Okay. Clinical Director is a 3 separate position. 4 MR. : Okay. I apologize 5 that 6 That's fine. 7 : Thank you for cla 8 EMPLOYEE Okay. 9 MR. 10 just for my clarification, who in the medical 11 staff is ultimately responsible for removing 12 somebody from suicide watch? 4 13 waingsal The psychology department 14 determines to remove somebody from 15 MR. : So, who in the psychology 16 department? 17 Again, it depends on who's 18 eitaluating the inmate. A 19 MR. : Okay. So -- 20 rammtunig And so we have one, two, Who in the medic staff, 21 three, really we have, (Indiscernible Clim00122 *00:12:26) , uh, four. We have four 23 psychologists on staff. <Zig...1r 24 MR. : You have four 25 psychologists on staff. And any one of those mmumonn EFTA_00001051 EFTA00135400 33 1 four can remove somebody? 2 EMPLOYEE 22 Can remove somebody. 3 MR. : Do those four have, who's 4 those four supervisors? 5 liainZgara 6 MP. : E. 7 Irmalansmat Yeah. 8 MR. What authority does she 9 have to overrule them? 10 EMPLOYE: And I'm of 11 - 1444%, 12 : Sure: 13 14 they use -- 15 : Um-hum. 16 ologist - -- to know what procedures -- or what conversation they 17 have to determine if she's going to overrule 18 them. I mean, she's the supervisor, and it's 19 just like with any, you know, profession you 20 have. 22 If I come up with some O w 23 reasoning 21 MR. : Right. 40Q! 24 L MR. 25 i__,._ : Um-hum. ll In saying hey, I don't agree SDNY_00007928 EFTA_00001052 EFTA00135401 34 1 with your decision, then we debate it and then 2 we ultimately come to a decision. 3 MR. 4 5 6 : Okay. As to yay or nay. : Okay. So, it's kind of the same 7 thing. 8 MR. : While on suicide watch, 9 you said there's a 24-hour companion. What 10 does staff do for the inmates while they're on 11 suicide watch? 12 mamma Well we have a camera, well 13 they're trained to, there's a phone there. So, 14 let's say something happened where an inmate's 15 trying to do harm to himself. They pick up the 16 phone and they call for assistance, because it 17 goes directly to control center, and we respond 18 accordingly to it. 19 But we also in our control center, while 20 the individual is on suicide watch, there's a 21 camera there. 22 MR. : Okay. 23 To view -- 24 MR. What specific training 25 does Mstsaff get as it relates to the suicide SDNY_00007929 EFTA_00001053 EFTA00135402 35 1 watch? 2 3 annual training, we have suicide prevention 4 training. 5 MR. : Okay. 6 ILWIMINUII During our annual train 7 MR. : And that's requir 8 all -- 9 ippapvcov*wmom All employees. EMPLOYEE 10 MR. Once a year during our : What does that training 11 cover? 1 12 Suicide signs, prevention, 13 coping, just anything pertaining to suicide, 14 sir. Signs to look for. 15 MR. : Um-hum. 16 rzomicovaterry Urn -- 17 MR. : Is there any specific 18 staff that are more trained, or specifically 19 trained for this area of the prison? 20 EMPLOYEE Our Special Housing Unit 21 staff get quarterly suicide prevention 22 training. 23 MR. : Okay. Is that part of 24 something the MCC does independent, or is that 25 policy dictated? How does that -- SDNY_00007930 EFTA_00001054 EFTA00135403 36 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 said that any staff member at the BOP can place As li 8 somebody on suicide watch? 9 irmaosmoNg Yes. 10 MR. : Is there any paperwork or 11 documentation for that that they have to fill 12 out? *1% 4 13 EMPLOYEE No. Basically they'll tell 14 that, you know, that hey we need to place him 15 on watch, and we'll place him on watch, and 16 then we'll contact psychology. 17 MR. : Okay. 18 To come in and talk to them. 19 MR. : Okay. There's no referral 20 that says, "I placed inmate" -- 21 Imagaggili No. Psychology will handle 22 it 23 : Okay. 24 Irmaoroomali -- here and there, in their 25 notes and their documentation that they were EMPLOYEE 2z That's our policy dictates that they get quarterly training. MR. : Okay. That's SOP policy; correct? I _ Yes. MR. : Okay. When someone, you 1,1 SDNY_00007931 EFTA_00001055 EFTA00135404 37 1 placed on it, when they were placed on it. 2 MR. : So, the psychology 3 department is responsible for documenting when 4 people come in in treatment. 5 igszugigli We, you know, we have what_‘ 6 we call a daily log in the 7 MR. : Um-hum. 8 EMPLOYEE -- institution. So, the log 4/ 9 would annotate somebody was placed on suicide 10 watch also. 11 MR. : Okay. Is there any 12 specific forms or reports that get filled out 13 when somebody is removed from suicide watch? 14 EMPLOYEE I believe psychology would 15 do those forms ar.d saying in their reports why 16 they were removed and if they're ready to be 17 released. 18 MR. : Do you get those forms? 19 I don't get the special 20 medical ones. I just, with the notification 21 that, you know, with the one that email that 22 goes out -- 23 MR. : Um-hum. 24 Nimpasmomoll -- that the individual was 25 released from suicide watch. SDNY_00007932 EFTA_00001056 EFTA00135405 38 1 MR. : Do you get notified, you 2 just said you get notified in the email that 3 somebody's removed or -- 4 EMPLOYEE 2 It's an email that the 5 psychology department puts out stating who's 6 suicide watch, who's been removed. 7 MR. 8 Like they send it once a day, or when someone 9 new comes on and off? How does that 10 EMPLOYEE 4- It's a daily one. And 11 : Okay. 12 EMPLOYEE And it states who's on : Is that a daily list? 13 watch, who's, you know, who's got released, and 14 -- 15 MR. : Who does that get 16 disseminated to? 17 IIIIIIIIIIII It's a group. It's a group 18 email that gets sent to all department heads, 19 Captain, Lieutenants, everybody in the need to 20 know. 21 MR. : This is the supervisors 22 within the institution? The Lieutenants, the 23 Captain. 24 sum (Indiscernible *00:17:07). 25 : Okay. SDNY_00007933 EFTA_00001057 EFTA00135406 39 1 EMPLOYEE 2z And, don't quote me on that, 2 but I need to look at the chain -- 3 MR. : Okay. 4 -- to see who's actually on 5 it. MR. -- Crilli< 6 MR. : But it's not an 7 institution -wide email? 8 It is kind of sent out EMPLOYEE C 9 institution wide because you have the different 10 departments on it. So, you can say it's 11 institution wide. 12 MR. : Not every person in the 13 institution gets that email, though? 14 laill No. I don't -- 15 MR. : Okay. Just not an MCC all 16 type of -- 17 IiIIIIIIIIII No, it's not an all staff. 18 : Okay. 4K\Yeah. : What is the expectation of O2 1 the department heads and the supervisors and 1(lpillim. 22 the Lieutenants and Captains once they get this 23 email? What are they supposed to do with that? 24 I mean, it's just a 25 notification that the individual's being SDNY_00007934 EFTA_00001058 EFTA00135407 40 EMPLOYEE 1 removed from suicide watch. So, it depends on 2 where they're going. So, if they're going back 3 to Special Housing Unit, so it's notification 4 that hey, this person's been taken off. We 5 have nobody on watch right now. 6 MR. : Okay. Are they supposed 7 to disseminate that? What are they supposed to 8 do with that information? Are they supposed to 9 tell anybody where they -- 10 Well, I mean when that 11 individual is released 12 MR. Um:ii47 4.4 13 14 they're going to be notified by psychology that 15 they're coming directly -- 16 MR. : Okay. 17 EMPLOYEE t, -- to you. 18 : Okay. 19 taussummi So, it was just an 20 accountability -- 21 MR. : Okay. 22 -- thing just to know that 23 hey, this person is getting off of watch. 24 MR. : So, psychology will notify 25 whatever unit they're going back to? Wherever they're going for, SDNY_00007935 EFTA_00001059 EFTA00135408 41 1 Well, it depends where 2 you're going back to. Typically I always go to 3 Special Housing Unit down. 4 MR. : Okay. 5 igszugigli And typically when you do, 6 let's say an individual has tried to commit 7 suicide. It's an infraction. So, they usually 8 have an incident report that goes beyond that. 9 So, you have to come up to the Special Housing ( 10 Unit anyway before so that that infraction can 11 be resolved. 12 MR. : Okay.4 13 magniggagl So, there are a number of 14 aspects of, you know, how. Did you go straight 15 back or if you don't go back there. 16 MR. : And this email that 17 psychology sends out with the list of who's in 18 and who's out of suicide watch -- 9 Who's on watch, yeah? : -- is that once a day or O 212 4q< 23 24 25 MR. twice a day? Is that morning and evening thing? MR. It depends. : Okay. When you come in in the mmynoomm EFTA_00001060 EFTA00135409 42 1 morning, they could say, you know, this is 2 who's on watch, and then you get another one 3 stating who's been released off of watch. 4 MR. : Okay. Is there any policy 5 or standard operation procedure on how 6 (Indiscernible *00:19:21) that email gets 7 out? 8 9 EMPLOYEE lo 11 MR. 12 least once a day? 13 EMPLOYEE 14 out. I don'. -- 15 MR. How what? : How No. : Oka 6, 1 should be at 4444 That's when they send it frequent that email Okay. When somebody is 16 removed from Special Housing -- 17 Um-hum. 18 MR. -- and placed in suicide 19 watch: on the second floor 20 EM?LOYEE « Um-hum. 1 MR. is anything done to 22 their cell in Special Housing? Is there any lq... 23 precautions or anything that go into that? 24 ENFL- So, typically let's say you 25 do leave, and it depends on how much space we SDNY_00007937 EPTA_0000I061 EFTA00135410 43 1 have. We really don't have that much space. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 So, usually that cell, 4 depending on if when they were removed from the 5 cell, if they had a cellmate. So, what happen 6 is that individual's property is removed, and 7 we could possibly put somebody else in that 8 cell. 9 MR. : Okay. 10 Um -- 11 MR. : And again, the suicide 12 watch versus psychological, the psyche eval 13 that, you said that happened right away when 14 someone first comes in the prison; correct? 15 gpmsowoomail Well I -- 16 : A psyche eval? 17 EMP •YEE -- I didn't say what you 18 said before that. You said -- 19 MR. : A psychological eval. 20 EMPLOYEE L. Okay. 21 MR. : I want to clarify, earlier 22you said that people, inmates get that when 24 gummululi Yeah. Psychologically when 25 they initially have to come and actually 23 they first come into the prison; correct? SDNY_00007938 EFTA_0000(062 EFTA00135411 44 1 perform -- 2 3 MR. : Okay. -- an initial intake 4 screening. 5 MR. : Is there a level 6 suicide watch? 7 Well we also have wilp •:"_,A /> 8 call a psyche observation. *\ r 9 MR. : Okay. below 10 And I think the best way to 11 describe that would be it's a step-down from 12 suicide watch. For example, we might have a 13 mental health inmate that is just mentally, you 14 know, out there. So, we'll put them on psyche 15 observation. They haven't said they're going 16 to hurt themselves, but they have the potential 17 to do it. 18 Somebody might be on narcotics and acting 19 erratic and you don't know what they're on. 20 So, they might end up doing it. But it's a 21 different type of observation because it's not 22 as stringent as suicide watch. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MS. : Can you explain what that 25 means? What are the requirements when an SDNY_00007939 EFTA_00001063 EFTA00135412 45 1 2 3 4 inmate is on psyche eval, or psyche observation? If they're on psyche observation, we are not necessarily putting 5 them in a smock. You know? You can still hav 6 your regular clothing. We're just observi 7 your behavior and that. So, that's the 8 difference. 9 MS. : And does the psychologist 10 stop by every day? 11 EMP_JOYEE 22 They're treated the same way 12 as somebody that's on suicide watch. They're 13 evaluated, come up with a plan. They're ready 14 to be released. Keep them on, more along those 15 lines. 16 MS. : Well is someone on psyche 17 evaluation, do they have an inmate companion 18 watching them? 19 imigusimig Psyche obs also has an 20 inmate companion. So, anybody in that area has 21 an inmate watching them. 22 MR. : As the Warden, do you have 23 any input on the determinate if someone's in 24 psychological observation, in suicide watch or 25 observation status? Do you have any input on miquommo EFTA_0000I064 EFTA00135413 46 1 that? 2 I don't overrule medical 3 decisions. I'm not a 4 MR. : Um-hum. 5 IpMMOWPMffiell If they come to me and say 6 this is warranted whether it's medical car 7 8 9 10 11 12 not, I don't -- MR. : MS. : EMPLOYEE 2_ EMPLOYEE Okay. But you're briefed on it? I'm briefed on it. Yes. Is that orally? Orally they'll come and say, 13 well we'll discuss an inmate saying, hey, he 14 has mental issues. I feel that they need to be 15 placed here or there. And I'm going with your 16 evaluation. I'm not going to, and I have good 17 psychologists. So, I trust their judgment. 18 MS. : Can an inmate be taken off 19 of suicide watch by II. or her staff 20 without consulting you? 21 mangsgigi They can. The 1/4.0010122 decides who's coming off of watch. So, they lq... 23 can make the determination and, you know, they 24 send up to the Associate Warden, the Captain, 25 and it will come to release and if they're SDNY_00007941 EFTA_0000 I 065 EFTA00135414 47 1 going off it. So, it doesn't -- 2 MS. : But do they -- 3 -- have to necessarily, it's 4 not my approval. 5 MS. : Do they typically 6 you when that happens? consul 7 Depending on, you know, if 8 it's the case, you know? Who it is, you might 9 be, like I said, a high profile individual they 10 would say, "Hey, we're taking him off of watch. 11 We're doing this." So, we'll be following the 12 plan closely, so n it comes to Epstein, 13 MR. 14 Jeffrey Epstein -- 15 16 MR. ;0m-hum. : -- he was in the mental 17 18 19 20 health program. Can you just tell us your understanding of his involvement with the psychologist at MCC? Um, let me back-track. 21 MR. : Sure. ,44.0,22 E`-1F It's not a mental health 1(:?!.... 23 program. 24 MR. : Okay. 25 Um -- SDNY_00007942 EFTA_0000I066 EFTA00135415 48 1 2 EMPLOYEE 3 psychology -- 4 MR. Sorry. Being, I guess, reviewed by : Sure. 5 -- they're following 6 He was on their case. 7 MR. : Okay. 8 EMPLOYEE And you want to know what I 41 ilk 9 knew about it? 10 MR. : Yes. trill**1 11 EMPLOYEE Again, he was under their 12 care. They were evaluating him, and, you know, 13 going through their protocol to determine why 14 he was on watch. If he was on suicide watch, 15 can he come off of suicide watch? Was he 16 suicidal? Things like that. 17 MR. : At any time, were you 18 aware or notified of him being suicidal or 19 having any suicidal ideations or attempts? 20 EMtaciiEE <z Well we had an incident 21 where he was in the cell with Tartaglione -- 22 MR. : Okay. 23 EMPLOYEE 22 -- that it might've been a 24 suicide attempt and it might not have been a 25 suicide attempt. So, we followed the protocols SDNY_00007943 EFTA_0000I067 EFTA00135416 49 1 and put him on watch. There was also an 2 internal investigation where he was interviewed 3 and his cellmate was interviewed, and he 4 basically denied (Indiscernible *00:25:35) . 5 MR. : When you say "he denied" 6 Tartaglione -- 7 irm2swoomome He said 8 : -- or Epstein? r NN,Or 9 Irnaosmemom No, Epstein stated that, 10 "Hey, didn't try to kill myself." And then 11 Tartaglione said that he was sitting in the 12 cell. He thought he was having a heart attack. 13 So, I forget the words psychology used to 14 determine what their conclusion was as far as 15 the actual act. 16 MR. : Okay. 17 MS. : Did you review the 18 incident report for the suicide attempt? 19 I reviewed the investigative 20 report that the Lieutenant interviewed both of 21 them, took their statements, and all that 22 because the review process goes from, the 23 Lieutenant initiates it. It goes to the 24 Captain, Associate Warden, and myself. And 25 then I, uh, sign off on it. SIDNY00007944 EFTA 0000(068 EFTA00135417 50 1 MS. : Did you speak with II. 2 after she had consulted with Mr. Epstein 3 when he was placed on suicide watch? 4 Um, yes. We have SHU 5 meetings, and we have it once a week, and 6 Epstein was brought up, and she talked about 7 Mr. Epstein. 8 MS. : After the suicide attempt? 9 irmaosmemill Yes. 10 MS. : What day of the week is 11 the SHU thing typically? 12 EMPLOYEE It's Thursdays. 13 : All right and -- 14 rimumoRMOil Right. 15 MS. 16 meetings? : -- what happens at the SHU 17 It's a list where we go 18 around and we talk about every inmate. We have 19 inmates that are in there for infractions, 20 criminal issues, from your office, a high- 21 profile guy might come in. So, we just talk 22 about, okay, what's the status. If we call in 23 a disciplinary citation, that means they've 24 been sanctioned and they're doing time, and 25 then we look at the release date. We have some SDNY_00007945 EFTA_0000I069 EFTA00135418 51 1 in there pending investigations. Cellphone 2 introduction. Drug introduction. So, that 3 goes through the investigative process, and 4 then we have, you know, we also have our SAMs 5 (phonetic sp.) inmates that are housed in 6 there. 7 So, we basically discuss and talk about 8 every inmate. 9 MS. : And who attends these 10 meetings? -1143/4. 11 EMPLOYEE 2.z Myself, all the Associate 12 Wardens, the Unit Managers, psychology, the 13 Captain, the SHU Lieutenant, the Investigative 14 Lieutenant. So, we just have everyone there 15 that's involved in the -- 16 MS. : And what's your 17 understanding of whether the SHU Lieutenant or 18 the Captain brief out the duty Officers in the 19 SHU about the outcome of that SHU meeting every 20 week. 21 I don't understand what you 22 mean. 23 MS. : So, do you have an 24 understanding of whether, because the duty 25 Officers are not present in the SHU meeting; EMPLOYEE SDNY_00007946 EFTA_00001070 EFTA00135419 52 1 correct? 2 3 EMPLOYEE MS. No. : Do you have an 4 understanding of how, for instance, if you tell 5 the Lieutenant, I want this done in the SHU, 6 will the Lieutenant then tell his duty Officers 7 after the meeting? 8 EMPLOYEE Well, the duty officer is 9 supposed to make rounds throughout the 10 institution when they're on duty to observe and 11 report if anything is not right. And then if 12 we have incidents, they make notifications, you 13 know, to the regi 14 MS. 15 16 fight. 17 MS. the region? like : Um-hum. let's say we have a 18 Or maybe like you said, a 19 suicide attempt. So, they have to contact the 20 Regional Duty Officer. That's their 21 notification. They make the Regional Duty 22 Officer, and then it moves up the chain that 23 way, and then I have to make my notifications, 24 which I make my notifications to the Regional 25 Director. SDNY_00007947 EFTA_00001071 EFTA00135420 53 1 MS. 2 does any information, do you have an 3 understanding of whether any information that's 4 conveyed in these SHU meetings gets briefed 5 down to the line Officers who are responsible 6 for patrolling the SHU? 7 Right. 8 : It does? 9 spalsosmeoli Yeah. The SHU Lieutenant 10 there, and he's in the meeting, he or she is : Okay. And my question is, in 11 the meeting, and they're talking to their staff 12 on what needs to be done or the status, you 13 know. We're going in and we determine if 14 somebody can be released, then that will be is 15 conveyed back that hey, an individual can be 16 released! ‘ILN\ 1140r 17 MS. : So, you were saying that 18 after the July 23rd suicide attempt, there was a 19 Thursday SHU meeting? 20 Right. 21 MS. : In which II. 22 discussed at least her initial observations of 23 Mr. Epstein? 24 mususimil Well, she would initially 25 discuss it there, but she would also initially, SDNY_00007948 EFTA_00001072 EFTA00135421 54 1 whoever, you know, if the Warden is there, 2 initiate it to the AW. So, that would be 3 something immediate that she would say, hey, 4 he's on watch and this happened. 5 MS. : And what happened at that 6 first SHU meeting after the suicide attempt? 7 The week of July 22nd to the 8 26th, I was on leave. // 9 MS. : Okay. 10 So, I was, you know, I was 11 getting called. So, I don't know the 12 specifics, but I was aware of, you know, I got 13 called that hey, there was an attempt and the 14 protocols were followed. A 15 MS. : Okay. 16 irmsorataral Notifications were made. Nk 17 1. I . : Okay. So, the following 18 I think is the week of the 29th. The 29th or the 30th, yeah. : You were back in the MS. 1 office? cLarO 222 23 have a 24 25 MS. That Monday. So, if you calendar, I can look at it. : I think it's the 29th -- So, yeah. So, the 29th is a SDNY_00007949 EFfA_000O1073 EFTA00135422 55 1 Monday. I have to check, did I take a extra 2 day or not? I'm not sure, but the 29th, I 3 should've, I would've been back. 4 MS. : So, that Thursday meeting 5 which looks like would've been August 6 were present at? 7 Yes. 8 MS. lst, you And what was discussed 9 during the SHU meeting? 10 111:11. The SHU meeting, we'll 11 discuss every inmate. Every inmate on the 12 list, what's their status? Updates and all 13 that stuff. 14 MS. : Okay. And specifically 15 with respect to Epstein, what was discussed? 16 I don't recall specifically. 17 I know we would've talked about him. We 18 would've probably talked about, you know, his 19 psychological status and I got to remember on 20 the first, he was probably back in the Special 21 Housing Unit. So, we were probably, you know, 22 talking about his housing conditions, what's he 23 doing, and usually the conversation was during 24 the day he was down at the attorney visits, you 25 know? SDNY_00007950 EFTA_00001074 EFTA00135423 56 1 And then there were certain exams that we 2 had to do that we wanted to get done on him. 3 And then we discussed that. 4 MS. : Uh, what kind of exams? 5 EMPLOYEE Physicals and then, you 6 know, and I don't know if that was before 7 after his sleep apnea machine that he was, o 8 know, requesting. 9 MS. : Um-hum. 10 Because typically, you know, 11 you have to go through the fitting and the 12 process, but, you know, we allowed that one to 13 come in. We checked it, security wise, and 14 said it was fine to come in, and we got it. 15 So, I think we might have been discussing that, 16 more along those lines. 17 But we discuss every inmate in there. I 18 don't specifically remember it. I know we 19 would've talked about what the issues were 20 pertaining to him. 21 MS. : Um, let's go back to 22 Um-hum. 23 : -- the suicide attempt. 24 25 rogisoraosom Okay. : You said that you were on SDNY_00007951 EFTA_00001075 EFTA00135424 57 1 leave that week, but you were notified by your 2 Associate Warden? 3 Associate Warden, yes. 4 MS. 5 daily updates? : Okay. Were you receiving 6 Not, I mean, they called me 7 during