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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
JOHN L, LEWIS
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PART 5 UH 13
FILE NUMBER: 44-845
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ILS: This is t report in this case, .J8Btig&1'|l.°|'1
being prec - upon a considerable volu::.- of correspondence
from the B'...eau, which it is not deemed essential to reference
in detail.
_ " This report is being submitted in order to make available
71- v for immediate perusal the statements oi Persons interviewed
-"rt-;.: - ' during; the course of this investigation. However, for the sake
of coherence, certain investigative steps which have resulted r . .
in the obtaining of incomplete information will not be reportedsf until the information car be t forth in con lete form. No j s _ ' ' -r l P P "= attempt is being made in this report to summarize the results
of the investigation which his thus far been conducted.
'- ' It is noted that a memorandum for the Attorney General
dated July 24, 1943 contains a statement that it will be essen-
tial to have interviews with a great number of the individual
miners who worked at;-¬.'iine "B" during the course of the
alleged conspiracy. In order to inaugurate this phase of
the investigation, contact was had with JJHH H,>BCHNEIDER,4
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Spring-field, Illinois, who is presently an official of the
Progressive Ifine Workers of America. __ 1
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-" FTC : these documents a 'st o approxima e y4:?-sin of /
PEA miners was obtained - which list, it appears - includes;_ .'{;¢. ~ all of the PMA miners working at Mine "B" who would be con-
»'&;, 5':
Investigation as to date has revealed that the follow-
{L _ fa-.. iflg men named in this list are deadz 7___-4'1 ._._,_,-w /4F s
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-DA!-MON, GALE
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. GALOB, FRANK
GATHARD, JOHN
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,/}:.:92-R-I, commnected with this investigation.
-/inmnxzzus, TONY
-"1JcDOIIALD HARRY II ntmur, PETER
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~ ozsus, JOHN
OZELIS, PETER, .11».
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"REEVES, sevenssntsscx, FRANKS}-11TH, AUGUST '
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4 WELCAUKIS, PAUL
wzttnws, BARBIE!
1 ZABLOSKY, JOE
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unless subsequent developments indiente that this may be imperative in
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T-mL7?92ERT, MIKE
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There re net forth below the statements obt&ine§'frOm 154
PNM miners-
In order that the Bureau may be advised of the scope of the
matters discussed with these miners, there is set ferth.bo1ew an eutliae
of interrogation which was used in conducting these interviews!
Reme-
nddfl residence and business!.
Date and place of birth
Citizenship-
Date, p1aoe'end circumstances miner first joined any mine union.
Offices held in any union-
Relutigng between m and EL5flQFF Lat ljine "B" prior 150 Sptumbf, 19520
attitude of this miner toward fnrmution ofi1£T local Ht Mine "B", in-
oiuding the pert he played, eta»
Relations between EISHOFF 8nd Lool 54, PMN, between September 1932,.
endhupril, 1937.
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Closo~dewns by mngemunto
nttempte by ELSHOFP or F1..LCEl"1"I to discredit HM
10&ddr5hip by remarks, hy u hostile attitude in
settling grievances, ete-
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managements .
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be htent of democracy in Loon-1 - any ineaagree it
ocmpuleion to keep rent ind nu in line. _ ..
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to local PMW officials, eto. . __ - Jdo
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Relations between local ea and um fret: 3ept&nbe.'|" i952 to 1.1»-11 mar.
0.. id WT! ever set rip e picket line ei; the mini?
b. Did U151 distribute literature or have organisers
at the mine?
Efforts to convert individual miners to return to.
UNW, with particular reference to details of 1;}:
activities of the following alleged U!-H spies;
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eta, between September 1952 nd upril, 193?-Ge
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The wage Beale oontrovetey in the Spring of 193Ye .- - '
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on temporary agreement with ELSHOFFY _ _ e . .
be ea there any feeling that HM would be unable to
get es good Q scale en LEM? '
TTae' there any euzmetion at mine on pay dnye in
nprill Any temporary aloe:-downs or stoppages!
d. What were the not-ion: of tho elleged spice during
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hilt was the attitude of the mt-nagement on I_ _-wage questicla! ._ 7 - '
What ctions did HM official: take to will clad. 'the 1m.g'e issue! " ' ' - k
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of lley 11, 19:1. . . _ n
Was this s regular meeting? If not, haw tour!
members notifi . "may indication?-at only a select few were notifiul
Wlmt was the Ovienoo presented against the five-
alleged spiealrho were expelled?
watt did these men say in their own defense?
y 12, 19:1. '
BET petition of?I'hnt argulnentl and dieouasiona were thefe at tin
mine about wages! HOW and when did the men find
out they were not going to get an increase that
day!
Did rank and file know about the expulsim of the
five spies? - -
How were they told? What was the general roaotim!
Why were coal curs being loaded abort? Was there
0. growing sentiment to strike during the oayl
If so, wlnr did they intend to strike? That §§,
was it be-cuue of wages or because of the ve 4
exvelled spies?' 0
26, 1931. _
U25! petition in SDid this miner sign it!
What explanation of this petition did I-H-.7 officials
give?
Were any throats, expressed or implied, made in . '
oonnootien with obtaining signatures to this
petition? ..
How were the signatures obtained? Thnt is], house-
to-house, union mee_ti4-15, ate.
unmet of 1957, dnte not known.
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Unknown petition in Smuncr of 193?, date not lczzalme ' x
e. ma this miner up 11:1 _ _ _ ~
b. Who circulated it or uponiorrd it! y
0- rho it really I "wildcat" petitionr That 1:,
wee there e sentiment among most of the men to go
beck to work regardless of which union the cclnpkly
dealt with! '
d. Who reported it to oomplmy offieiollf
e. Date petition was presented-
Formation of new III»-1'! local 74-69 July 29, 1937. ' _
R. Tia; this miner approached oomerning joining this
local? '
b. Were there any threats or violence used to obtain
members for this local?
General information concerning the Summer of 1937 - union meetings,
"wildcat" meetings, statements by officials of both unions, threats,
violence, statements by management, etc-
attempted opening of mine on Seotember 27, 1987.
' a. Bow did management give notice mine would be open?
bq Hhd PIE! decided 1:; hdvnbo the attitude "&l:.ey would
take if the mine opened under the UM! contract?
0. When did pioxeting start? _
cl. Did this mzlner participate in pic-keting?
' e. Did PI-Eff import outsiders for picketmgl
f. Were I-any threats or violence used by P55? leader?-i ,
ship ewoy frm the mine premises to keep the rank
nd file in line!
5- General information concerning inoidente during
tho sit-down atrikel.
Issuhnce of injunction in Federal District Court on December 9, 1937-
0.. Attitude of rank and file miners to injunction.
-5.15,-Blptd opening of nine on December 13, 1957.
th How was notice given!
be Why did only twelve men show up for work?
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NLRB election on December 15, 193'?»
30Complete disounion of oi:-cmzt-ncol of electiaz,
L-!1Ql92-AQLQQ meohmics oi electioeaod weet; L-neg
up to it. I.-Iain EMT contention 1:111-t the electim
we B fraud, being dminnted by strong-em biotin!
Of HM.
Attenpted reopening of mine on Jllnuery 4, 19381
I30 How was notice given?
b. Why did only 0. few men lhcrw up for work?
General discussion of incidents between Jnnury 24, 1958 and Hoveanber
6, 1939, while mine was cloaede r
Opening of mine November 6, 1939.
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scale, etc-?
What was ttitude of rank uni le toward
inability of HEW to get a contret?
6, 1939 to February 21, 19%., when election wnl
All threats, violence, etc., by either side to '
force union membership-
A11 efforts by both aides to secure new members
by p6lS921£i5iOI1e _
A11 statement: by management concerning unio
preference»
i».11 acts of favoritism ahwn by mine mrmngemcnt. 92Did this r.1.ner sign membership or-rds for either 92
or both of the unions in the Smunor of 19401 It
in noted both unions sulnitted e. L-umber of ooyde X
exceeding 0. majority of workers to NLRB 1nvcsti-
gator who was inveatigoting the claims for repk'e- , _._
senttionu
on Februbry 21, 1941.
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IFTERVI-3"_£E,__Illinoza, was Jointly ruxtervie-wen at his resi-
_ dence on August 28, 1953 by Special Agents ' and QQ Q He appeared reluctant to answer some e -at s propom '
which he should have had knowledge ¢Onceming- This was possibly
due to the fact that he is presently employed at Mine VB mder the
UMT. He also claims to be friendly with OSCAR FAIIJETTI. He is alert and
presents a good knowledge of mine oporations.- He executed the following
signed statement:
Springfield, Illinois
' - August 2s, 1943
1 =~1<@ ts , owin volmtary
~- who
lmow to be P"-oi A{>:en..- 0 the Federa urea of
Investigation, U. S. Dflpartment of Justice.
_ V "T presently reside or: H: '. in s. I was burn oi3; I joined th0 United H106 'r'='okerS ~92
5;? __Mq;_- to hereinafter as the U118, in ~o-¢-><~'~ng atguk timein Ear, . , T moved to . s , 1 =.r_.; ;-.-4-;'=:':<"_ - ff-I U.,[.I.I. s",-$5-1'.. *» .= -'1;-:5:§i'-'-9*-'=§¢?'§'. -"Fir: -"IfTllimis _..<'>*:d W1" as W5 E Emine n-r;»ar,?1 *.;<,K; ._ untij when I 92 t ,._ .:."'*= s"= ' - -'="*5" 1 -started won-ring at nc near bpr ng e1 , lmois.
1 am prosontly working at Iiine 3,
"I never hold an o.fiic0 in the Lpqnion, but IwvmsPrtsident of :1 10c:.. -:§#_ liine near _which was under a Pgréo r ct. I held tr oi'11.ce
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ht-reinafter as PEA. ' l
"I workcd in Mine B from -'1b0ut. "F about o
1.;ay 1.2; 193'? when it Shut down due to"? hstr 8. I did
not go back to work at Ziine B, but got a job at I--ne it
about QCt0b92,l" 18, 193'? as a Phi; minor and worked there until
about September of 1940. About September, 1940, I Went be
work in Fine B as a member of the UIIY. I have wormed. there
continuously until the pr-cs=;-at, aod e.-a still eorldn - , L,as a memb<.-r of the UHF. _ _ 't b }
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1-;¢f.__.__ "Elzhoff, prior to 1932 got a192'mg_Ve!10 ue well with the cz. _ f';j._
l "In 1932 I was not in favor oi the wage scale being lowered.
led I voluntarily joined the P1L;1a.nd I feel that the rest of the miner '-
at Zinc B felt the same way. I iid not take any active part in this
for-matien. '
"Evczything was alriglit between Elshoff and PHI. between
September, 1932 and gipril, 1937 to my knowlc-dge and I was well satis-
ed with tho mmagument of the Pm end the rest of the miners were satis-
fied with the PHI. leadership to igr imowlodge. j ~
"I heard that Dominic Pasquale, C11arl<§__B-_gh;3nnon and about _o _
ten other miners '-The wereh'o1<H.f'g Piifs weI1*_§1s U11? @515-Es and were
orgimizing at Him: B on behalf cf the U5!-" and that was -why they were ex-
pelled from PEL1, but none of thl ta ever approached me. I do not know
which union the operator of Mine B was in favor of as I never heard
any of then ml-re any statements about it. I left the mine when the shut
down started as previously monti med, and did not have any rst bane 111'!
formation on the matter. i
"Between my, 1937 and October 1937 I helped for about one
month with the PH. picket line at Iline B. This picketing was to keep
'Ul£f from taking our jobs. The vctr, as a result of the NLRB electing
on December 15, 193'? showed U15? Ind only twenty-five members at that time.
"I heard that Charles B hennon and the other eleven men that _
were "later expelled from the P-EL; or organizing for the UM? received
noncy for organizing, but I never have be-en_ contacted by than and have
no Imowledge of the payment by UM? £0 théo
' "I don't Iowa why E.1shoff did not sign a contract with Pm
1711011 that Union had a majority of the employees at Mine B... h
5'1 have carefully road and fully understand the one and a half
pages of this statement and it contains the truth to the best of 125'}m" 1°d¬°' - S - .- ' ' J
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he was satisfied with PHI? on Inlay 12, 1937, and did not yrieh bol>eeole I ner-
b_er of ma. eclvieod he 11.1.4 not hove =1 oripiolol reoo!'Q.= -1; -- 4" -
. P.» 1» . _ -V F * ~.. ~
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who I mow to be bpecial lgente of the Fee a ureau o nves
gation. F0 force, threats or promises have been made in obtaining thil
statement and I know that what I may say may be used ea evidence in e. court
of law.
_ n was born in l ' 92!_.,55-;_92_:;::.;.,. -, :92'=e-1-.92-.¢=--'>:.'x;.» --1".--#9-r= ~z92-- _~';=;~. -_-_r.,.='- - -="__..- '-';-;;"~.92rj ~--___,_ :'_ -- . and I am a c1 1zen o e 11.8. I e zenelu 0 I no
throng my ether, who was natureli zed in Springeld, I11. in about 1915-
I em new employed 111-. u =' 1 =-.":;amro~-;laborer. ~ , éiu -
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e mine as a miner. I drod my membership when I stopped mining.
"1 started mining again in and became a member of P.1i.A. inF which union I was e member for or 4 weeks. I dropped my member-
s p in PEA when I stopped minnig. ' . '
' .. .. V W1In the first part of I was employed by the11., for which mine I worked for 3001' 4 months,
t m "-; e. member of Pill. ' _
In the evmmer <>fI was employed by 1-iine B, Springfield, I11-
ond became a member of PEA vex-e I was employed as a miner until Hay 1937
when the mine was closed. ' - r
. In the fall of 1937 I was employed at tho%a11ther' Creek Fine #é, l
Roringfield, 111., until Spring 1943. Durtng my c=m;~1oyme:~.t at the Pr-*Ji'h0r
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nrrvlr: = "1 was a soot. in n "Iii1doat" Union Q.
Coal Fine, Springfield, 111. for about on
Ream in at which time the mine was closed for
finnnc al flll . -
So far as I knew the relationship between Kr. Elshoff at Mine '3"
with PEA was good between the summe! of 1936 and May 1937. I do not know
anything about the relationship between Mr. Eleboff at Kine '8' and U;H.i.
prior to 1932. -
~ .
"Up until Hay 12, 1957 there was no trouble at Nine "B" and there
were no strikes. ' _ .
So far as I lcnow there were good relations between ELSHOFF and
FALCETTI of Kine 'E' and FHA durhm, the time I was employed there, neither of
when ever mentioned union matters 10 me. .
I haw the men-era of PEA liked the union and were mem-
bers of P!-LA because they liked the union and thought PEER could do more for
them than any other union. r -So fer as
"'1'. was never interested in union affairs, and attended only a' for
neetin5_ of the union each year. _
"The members of FHA thought the members of PEA convicted for bomb-
ing should not have been convicted as they did not get a fair trial, I cannot
furnish any details concerning thu attitude of the members of Hit-. concerning
the conviction of PEA member: in bombing cases an I was not interested.92
*1 c»:-Jmot furnish any ii formation concerning the financial oper-
ations of P!J.&_,_ there were very fcw special assessments during the time I
was a member of PEA. ' ~ '
During the time I was employed at Qina "B" U.M.i; never attempted
to organize the employees of Kine "3' in any ¢;1;3;, No one ever attempted to
get me to become a member of U.M.- when I was employed at Hine"B . I
never saw any employees at Kine "B" attempting to get any other employees
of Nine "B" to become a member of [15-i. - '
"1 never saw my officials of UMT3 with the management of Nine "8'.
"I know there was an attezvpt by union officials of PEA to obtain
higher Wages for the c.r=Ao; eee of WA but there was never any trouble at the
mine in April or Hay 1957 concerning an increase in the wage scale. None ct
the men alleged by PLEA to be spies for EMA, the names of whom I do not [mm-.,
ever said anything to me dbout an increase in the wage scale. $0 fa? l Y_
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know emploress of BIA were on the some Inge IQCIO -
as the empgoyees of UHF in mines other than Iin
'B'. Neither the management of Elna '8' or union
n'|"Pi n'92n'1n nu-nw lair -nu+l-wlnb On -nu: n*92r92|~|'|- Ma in-QIJQJJAVLUIA-if iI_V92-ll DCIJ-II Q-$4 villi-I6 II 31% W-lf92J92l~U UIX 353°?
issue in April or May 1937. . . - __ ' '
'1 did not know of a meeting of on I-lay 11, 1951.
"on the morning of u5yc1z, 195? I am not hear any discussion on
the wage issue nor did I know of anyone who knew five alleged spies of UIW
hnd been expell
loaded short on
trouble nt iino
ing. I did not
tel ked to.ed from FHA. I did not sec or hear of any oosl cars being
the morning of Hay 12, 1937. I did not know there was any
"B" on 1J1-ey 13, 19;? nnt-il I was told by Q bees to stop work-
'1now why the work was stopped on that day not did the man I
I cannot rember a petition of FEE of Hay 26, 1937 but I may have
signed a H£J;mtition of key 26, 1957 and cannot remember.sign1ng it.
I am
sequent to Hey
turned to Kine
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notable to furnish any informatin concerning line "B" sub-
l957 as I was not interested in the mine and never re-
to try to get work, '
I know of a U.H.U; petition in the Summer of 1957 nor do
I know of the formation of new UHF local 7669 July 29, 1937.
"I received one or two notices that Kine '3' was to have been opened
subsequent to May 12, 1937, but did not attempt to set employment at MinI I - 'B as I was employed at Panther Creek kins #5 and I was not interested9
On Hay 12; 1937 I was a member of PEA and eatisfied with the nnion=
I was not interested in becoming a member of any other union. J
I have read the .E£9_9r'}92-dins Tour pages which are correct an true
to the boat of my knowledge. - -
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1111" - ' A 'IE8 Hams i.te1-viewed on August 25 1 1.fj; ' ' ' peels... "rents and
' ' He apparently - .i"'. = avorable .
presents a good appears: zs, is :'.n.elligentand willing to testify. Ibo
signed Statement furnist ed by 11-'.n. is set forth as follows: . r
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uzus 25, 1943
the following voluntary statement
when I lcncm to be Special Aqents of
the
on at o ' ' inois. I am a citizen cr
the Unite - es. ' " ' " '
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"I first joined the Unpte Vine Workers of America, referredto hereinafter as the U. H. TL, ix. R while I was employed at was B,
Springfield, Illinois. I workeci rn er he U. Ll. XII. at }A_Ei_.r_:e__.-1. until
1932, at which time I was desin as c- changing to the :~_r§gi{easi;e,_Qgeu_
.§'or}<ers of Arnerica, referred to hereinafter as P. H. W. I continued to
.*ork*'1n1'ier t.he"P.~'Ii. W. until a.r.d including September 2'7, 1937. m
I left the U. E. Ii. ix. 1932, because I felt that the majority of
the niners in Mine B. wanted to join the P. 11. FL, and because I felt
azhat I would receive no benefit for wo:kin.:_ under a union which was con-
trolled by John L. Le-Tie.
"The miners were assessed 15 per cent of our salaries the first
year we worked under the P. 11. I1, and though I felt that this was a.
large sum of money to be taken cut oi my salary by e. union, still I felt
that the P. M. J. made such an tssessnent to build up their organization. *
This was all right with me. I held no office either with the U. IL. J, or
the P. II. J. I have not been interested in union affairs. After the first
year under the P. L1. W. , union <11 es were cheaper thereafter than underthe
U. M. 7!. . -
"Conditions and relations were very good between local 54 of the
P. 1!. Ff. and the L3 Li. H. from September, 1932 to April 1937. I ' '
"Ir; last d_.;- it Eiine B. was on Se,-tenber 2'7, 1937. I received
notice that the mine Ha? going to to-open on September 2'7, 1937., because
I saw a notice to this effect in the news,>ap-srs, and because the whistles
at the nine blew. 1'her-cfore, I went to the mine on this morning to report
to work at seven o'clock, oiled my machine:-fend just before eight o'clock
on thi date I approached the top boss at the nine in charge of all employees
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ground and whose name I do not recall. I
him how I would wofk, and he replied that I
work under the U. H. W. At that time, I
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.. ,-zett-.il unit. This my job.
the yremises of the Mine B.Directly after this conversation I left
I felt that the vast majority of the miners at this mine more
mtmoers of the P. Li. W. and I did not want to work under those conditions.
"witnessed;
Special Agent, F. B. I.
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has been n nines since i' we _yeer| o a. . He is presentlyeaployed at mine neeri Illinois. s not con-
. sidered by in er -- g Agents on e. goo witness due 1 s u.p0e.1'&ncB and
apparent lack of mantel ce.pe¢i1iy.
Upon interviewxecuted the following eigned statement! ' 7
- ' Springeld;" iugust as, 19¢: _...
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__._ o E-I name is __ Inelce the following statement to - _ who have identified themselves
E: me =' el hge s o e eiere - eou of Investigation. No prom- '
ises, threats or consideration of any kind E3 been made to ne for this state-
manta r '
I worked et Kine B for several years before 1932 until several
months after the strike ¬t !'Ine E in 1939. I joined the Progressive line *
Worker; of -Fnnerice when they were organized in 1932. I was always 'B
withthe my that union was being run. I never wanted to ohnnge___to the United"
Kine Yorkers. I an still e member of the Progressives and am satisfied with
them. The Progressives never asked me to do anything that I did not want to
do. I was satisfied with thm in every way. ' *
I was working at Mine B et the time _
.nen"1!:=er whether I was working; on the dc-.y of the strike or not. I do not know
whet the strike was about. I do not remember. I was not at the mine on the "-
day in Eeptember when the men went btck to the mine. I did go out there and
stay e pert of the time after the men ate:-ted. sbF-ying on the cmnpeny property..-
I voted in the eleoti-in held e few rirys after the election. lie onebothered '_
me or told me how to vote. It was a fair election as far es I know, and I 1-.
voted exactly as I wanted to votg%-0! the strike. I do not :16-
I do not recall but one time that they tried to open the ulna. I
was working on '~="PA pert oi the time. When the mine 0;.-eeed there had been
some oeve ins and fella. I did not see any evidence of any fire. Part of
the mine where I had been vrork:i.;1_:§_é.é_o in, and I never at my tools out
of there at all. I raa+a:1b::z*§?f __ He was supposed to be en air zenI do not,t.hir92.k that they e V eel: man before the strike, Uniday J15}-_H£LE e.sI-cad me to join the United Kine ~'¢'orkers_. Ea told me t.'r-et ell
the men would be doing it and I might juet ea well. I signed the papers h ":r 2% _ _ - . . . . . . . . . ix__ 3 A351 ,, *,, 1'3 was mtered at nil residence on :3
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Ijgqvlgi 731113 but I quit the mine a few days letter-
did net like toW men 1:119; 1 rode
clothes cut and
beaten, and so I quit rather than
went to belong to the United Nine
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EITNESSED:
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_atay there and get in trouble. I didn't
"crkers. F0 one ever made me e z-.nyth$.ng
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RE: JOHN L-. LEWIS, ET AL. . 1
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4 nrrsavln *2 TH we interviewed B n1 Agents
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92|witness to testify to those In-Z»t'bBI'B_l0t out in the following stutenc-at
which he executed:
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1 ho 1» as ea -ve untary stu ement -- ht w we en -
fied themselves es Speeie-.1. Agents in dorm nuroeu of Invesiigeiie.
He threats or premises have been made we to induce me to nuke this
statements
"I wua born I:-nd. 00:10 to
the Us S. ir. I became I . ":1-*_:"en' 0 I first joined
the U.!!.!- 1.. endohevc never held erg office in any unimda o ear !!1!;92n6r,_ .- appears to recall well event! -
L around the time of the strike. It is felt n-Ii he would be I1 s'i1tisi1'.»ei:ci'y
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"I joined Pena-he Ln 1932 when ell the rest of the miners joined-
As I remember ?.EiJs- sterted efeer U.I|i.?F- had tried to get us ize work for
d less mqney. We had e vote and the bullets were stolen und the eleeen
was no good. Also working conditions were not toe good and the men
'I'1.1D.tCJd e new union. !92iter P.N.-no started things seemed better at the nines-
I do not remember whet the men's feelings were when sane nenberso! ~
Pddm. were convicted in the baro-.115 oases» ,' ~?"LZ.;.'lf.'.i:L"/ ."Tom Pwrcs, 1=-aiqm ,1_.1_s'I:.%I:1-I,-»AJ55gr;'g;T1+_~, ;-g..921I>92r, ge_1j1;_g11:0H;' J¬l:11l___ W
SI_I§'._§_q]T and e75£1'é' <§¬TI6i-s who snlongod to P-Ma were supporia 1:5"5e
vi--.rker's for '923.I'i-II. i heard -thee these non were woridng for |I.I~i.'.
officials but they never app;-eeehed me. I know that the so non were
kicked out or P.I~!.n. beeuse they were working for UJIMQ - '
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" "I remember tht our eentrcct with Mine B. where I hhd worked
since 1926, expired in the spring of 1937 and we were verlcixzg under an _
extension; Io were supp<.sed to get P0-id back wages in ease the new
eentret eelled for higher wages, this is whet H-LA. officers -held
that we would get the new rut-e frcn npril 1. utter we had worked for
e whiie refused to sign :1 oentreeic '
"1 ettendod snc of the P.'H.!=. meetings and I was at n meeting
when o. trial was held end some of the men I mentioned before us werl-dng
for UJQJI. were kicked out» nu I remember, we had a regular muting
and other this, three or four men were uppQint-Pd to n kind of h-.1111 bee-rd.
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RE! JOHN Lo LETIS, ET M1" _ _
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IIJTEWIEI WITH These men were ohnrged with spying on our orgtcnilntien .
and the tr-iul board found arm guilty. 1 was M 1:11;
good-! meeting and remember thnt these non wexe igieked out oi
' the P.M..n. Se-no were expelled for e eeuple of you-1
and some for ninety years. 2-lost of the m0nbO!'B of P.Mm.» knew about thin
I.-oticn, which was just before the strike;
ldkt the time of the strike I was e diggff-L15 nine B.
On the doy of the strike acne of the fellmls d:'92.dn'tw'n 0 go 120 work
with the soies- Hm-waver, finally we all wont to work but some of the
non amid lets load the cars short and lots of the ours wont up without
£1 full lend. I -
"ienecne told us to 0-one upeut of tho nines that day, about
two hours earlier than usual. When I eene up I learned tht there was o
strike. I guest it was beeeuse the nine let these spies work although
we didn't have e emtreeti ~
"after the strike 1 signed U. petition for Pa-£.|.. I signed this
at the Urien BeI[._1- I else think I signed another petition at my house,
1 thirzia "iarought it out. It was to show new r;1e.ny number:
P.14.... ;£5d"$3 1 tam itiwes for the Labor Rolutien Board: He one eve:
mode no sign, or threatened no. ___ I-.
"4; couple of tines fellows eano to get no to join U-ILU. J_ £l_II___
end Bibi;-§L?¢TOLTI O&I16 enee, end another foilcm er.-lled JOE or SAM oune
They @s1£<i@="r.»1é"»;§;y I should stay idle, if I sigxi we go buck to work.
They hed some kind of o eerd for no to sign; told no it ma e membership
eeri. They amid if they 531; 0nO11{;h members the nine would open up.
They said if I didn*t Sign the nine night never open up. They did not
tin-outer: me q - ' e
"During the eurmor uf the strike the PM-h. hid lots of meetings»
The officer: told us that they hoped to open the nine that eu:1n0i'o
_ "I remember that they tried to open the nine in the £1111 of ~ _
195?. 1.: I remember, there was o notice in the papol tolling; of this. 7
On that day 14 or 15 U.lI.'T. went dam in the nine, but no one else wont
dove. If you wanted to 50 to work that duyz you had to go in the office
and Sifn up r 0.14.11. The-t is we-it o nun by the nine told me. on
P.H.n- officers told us not to sign {.ny'th1ng. Jo eune book to tun '
- end 21-id o nee-tint; and the next day ubout 325 of us wont out MI!
started a picket line. -Io st.-yo-d there until we were served with an
injunetitm. Io loft, fueling; that we hm. ts. the lwl Said $0:
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111'P 1IILERXIEI WITH "I remember that after this they t2-Led to open
the tune c ein. The Bums 11.11 Y. men showed - I E l IQ unllue!! u and e few new U.!l.J. men I ecu th cme Con P 0 Eu 91
frcn cncther pert of the State. I was opt
there that day, not on ccznpany property but on the highway; la IR-nbd '
to see whet would happen. _ ' _
"Q1; Preeiden*J;~.!QZ-AJIIG, neat and tced te ELSHLFF who told
ozmxc that only c.m."-nefen could work. That 1. whet oucuc told ue.
The Sheriff made us leave that day, told um that 15 or 15 men could '
stay on the picket line but not any more. ~
"I voted in the HIRE election in December. A. P.MJ-.. official
told us not to go down: and vote toe many at c time, just 15 or 20. He
told us not to talk to anyone on the street. The election we nice and
quiet and no troubles "
"I remember that later on they tried to open the mine but no one
would go to work, they wanted to open the mine under On open shop.
The P.H.n. men didn't went to go to work. the-t my.
"In November, 1939 the mine opened up under an open shop.
Same mine official ehid that we would have ilncther election, Whichever
one won the olcotion would win the contract. I got u letter telling
me to come to work and thut I should be there in ton days or I wouldn't
he?-2 e jeb= I went to we;-1; where 1 hi-xi been before, this section we
all right, I guess that other jxrte of the mine bud been caved in,
Box 2 and pert of Box 3. -
"',.1ter 1 bud been beck to work I we. approached to join c.u.1:.
These 5!-1:18 fellows, some oi the spies, came to my house to get me to
join. They were nice, but told me that U'..M.T. we going to Win nd thr-t
I had better join. In about July, 1940 I finally joined _v.;-1.11. They
cskud me to come to Q meeting; and I Bid. I found the 2/1111 full of fellows,
end thought that perhaps I Led better join if ll the ether $6.120 !
were joining.
"after the mine opened up in November, 1959, it seemed that
the only new r.-on who were hired belonged to U.H..¥. or else had to join j
before they could got e job. U.14.'F, had organizers ct the mine. They
were supposed to be working but tray weren't. I didn't know who ve;
we-rev They were very friendly and used to go around and talk to I111
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1NTERVI3"i'-JITH "Hem men or-me to work, some ocming frcm liissouri _
W and acme frcm the southern part pi the state;
on ued!
I have read the above stctement and do-
clare it to be true and correct-
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INTERVIET ?ITH,_,.-J_ __ as t 'ewed by Special Agents- _We vs M IH It s his i =' . ner, it appears that '
he has no inforrnation of value to offer.
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V} -the following signed statement:
-if 92 "raugast 30, 1943 i',9292 ~9292 I-_ Spfi fi ld Ill. 9292J C 9 J
make the following voluntary statement ta-
of 92-:11->14 have identified themselves to be
..3 l Bureau of Invcstifotion. N0 threats or
prmises hzvc been made to induce no to nuke :: statement.
"I was M and we to the ".1 §e_._-I becen: a vT'5:'_'6i @d presently reside a
0 H113Sprin_';fi0ld, Ill. I first started -mining coal in about -
_3'o1'ne?'. The LY.!-5.33. at about that tine. I have never held an office I
union-
1 "I worked at Hine A and I-iinc~ B On
when the Yninc went over t5 t"Be Pr-§[T'c§§ives in 1932 I think I was _work:*.ng,"for the state. I went back to nwrk with bfine B inwand as fares
I was concerned av-:-rythln_g.v:as going along fine at a tine. The union
officers left ne alone § I just wont about my work and bothered nobody.
I have I1:.VUI' attended any union meeting:-heither U.l.I.'.T. nor the P.H.A. iseveral different occasions and
La the §_pri_ng of 193'? I heard some talk to the effect that
our wage contract was to be renewed, but I do notlmow -anything about any
wage dispute. I an not a close friend of ar'.y0ne in the mine and have
never mixed with any of then as I live on a farm and come right home from
".:01"k every day. - " -
_.._ . .. . _- - _ .. . t- . - --. "1 remember that on the day of the strike, which was in may of
I went to work as usual & took up my regular job as a digger in
I heard that this sectfon caved in and I understand it has never
"T"-' leaned up to thieidayn I never went hack to pick up my tools. I
know T01'1!_[__E_lOi-Ch, Petogmnten, Frar}I<___3*_;1ejgix1_ but I do not know anything
about their actions at the mine. I never heard any of the men talking
about spies Ior the U.l5.92?. and do not know what caused the strike in 193?. _
I heard men say that they got a raw: deal, but I do not know why the men
went on strike.
"On the day oi the strike Frank Austin was supposed to be my
driver and I kept asking him to bring my powder, but he never did bring my
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INTERVI3iTITH
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brinf me my powl
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ponder that day. I didn't know until we were on
way homo that night that the mine was on strike.
do not remember over signing a petition of any kind
after the strike. Due to the fact Frank Austin didn't
I worked all that day but didn't make any money, becauseDUI
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der,
I diint load any coal that d&'.
"Between 1937 and
work for the st
got a letter fr
was offered ano
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hit of trouble.
it doesnt make
I have 2 job.
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hive fid over
first three pag1939 when the mine was shut down I went to
buck to line B in trn isll of 1939 after I
om Elshoff. I only xorked there about nine days when I
ther gob with the stito so I quit the mine job. I wanted '
state as it was 1 hatter job and my back was hurtingnow workin" at th%x?nnther_;reek'3ne and an a member ofatc. I went
time I was working at Kine B I never had a
I was never thr_1t-n-d by anyone. As far as I'm concerned
any difference which union I an a member of as long as
not hive any inforwation about the strike at the mine. I.
this entire stntsnont of four wages, have initi"led the
es and hereby sign this Rants. This statement is tine
to the best of my mcnory..
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in intelligence, and appeernoe an is favorable
toward the Government. He indicated a desire to void testifying, if
possible. It is believed, however, that he would moko n g0Od witness to
testify to those matters set out in the following etetonant, which ho
executed:
,="¢ "imgust 28, 1945
Springe ld , I11.
"I, make thc following vo192mt1.ry statement te-& o-?~m»_} r.-th of when have identified the-mselvos to mo an
Special Agents of the Fo"doro.1 Bu:-cau of investigation. Ho throats our
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i gr41.3" hm-Md P1?°$°11t1Y 11 at I s or .. no c1 miner uring the lost war and joined the
U. M. W "n " rst started mining. I am still working; at H1110 B. In
1952 when the rest of the men joined tho Progressive union I also went
over to the Pln nd continued working at the mine. Hhon the Bnfirst
st:-rtcd in Mine B all the men were satisfied with the Union I-.116 every-
thing wont along fine until the Spring of 195'?»
"I never ttondcd mozg of the union meetings so cannot state.
as to 11.11 that hnpponod just heft»--. the atriko. I am n driver in the
wr.-at section of th mine. I lmcrw that a gr-c92.1p "' oencluding JOE JJ..Br.HESB,P."|.SQU-111: £%:.R'1§R, ituggggg ma others mentioned were m-yzng ~"¢ésr"g11§¥ '2'?» the u.m.w.=-.i,f;-1-1. ' -
"Prior to the time oi tho strike and after March 51, our uJ3i0I1
told us that wo were to continue working nd the new contract wcmld to
rutronotivo. Between April and tho time of the strike I 2-m=.rd the non
talking about CARTER, AUSTIN and tho other: trying to stir no trrublo
and telling the mun thoy didn't huvo u contract uni 1.3351115 than why tn-zy
vacre workhlg. The Hell; lenders kept tolling the non to kc op on .'r.r]:;92.r:g
and that they would ace to it that they got what was c-"ni:1_: to thou.
I do not know of hnyono who min threetonod during this period tmi. 1
don't believe most of the non know that CARTE Ind tho K-there wore
w.1-king; fzr the U.I:l.W.
._'I do not know argthing about whut hQ1.rPll'|0d Lt our uni "
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that sane of tho non ma boon kicked out of em P
I"- union boo:-use they were roe-.11y Wofking for the
U.M.U¢ On the morning of the strike I roneubor that
thc non were complaining that the o=Jn;>r.rq' "wanted the men who bf-d been
expelled to go to wzrku The only nan I roncnbor seeing was u-NI
a1_I§'1:_I_1{_,. I noticed tht as soon as tho non stc.r-bod working tYiI¬~<!ay they
I111 started 1:-uding, the ours she -rt mo it oontinubd tho rest cf tho,
day. About an haur before quitting +11-me word was sont to us to acme to
the surf!-09 Fad when we got on top we were told tint tho r-inc U0-5 on
st:-iku. Our union cffioor:s told us tn. go hcno be-ouuso thcy didn't
wont us to work with the spies. I on-n't rooull am; mention be-L-q; nr.-do
of n strike being culled duo ts. =_@ ;15u:_1o_§t aver wages.
-L; . I re-member that 0 short time after the strike, JQl3§3§CB1IEID$
omo to my house with £1 petition for no to signs This was 11 .p0tit10:._92
oskm; the ocnp-any to I"uO7.3§I1iIC HUI as boat z:sI can recall. M 1"
rcoolleot the PM.-92 distributed ballots among the non & asked than to check
on the; ballot which union they preferred. I
* "Do:-1n._; the summer there was u grc-at many union noetLn{;s and
those meotir-gs were well attended by the non. I rononbor that Oiis tint!
it was 113:1" -mead that the nine was to open, but only about 12 non shcwod
up. I remember that in tho fall the UJLH» bud picket lines outsidl
the nine und I took pr-rt in the picketin;-3 ooveml tines. '
"In D0O¢3I;_,!er of 1957 thero -ms an NIRB oleotion in the iq-sons],
and tho Pie; W.-Y1 out in tho clootions I ronezzfbor that in the Doombor
election the P15». men mot at the tmiun hall and nr-1-chad to the Arsenal
in mull groups. Tho:-e was no violonoo and no strong um no-thods used
by eithar aide. , ' '
"I went bank to work at tho nine when it was roopc-noc. on an
coon shop bf-sis in November of 1959. I bciiove tho:-0 was an nrtiulo in
the p:.;»ar thut tho nine was to reogon und so I wont to 1'Iv2k¢ 1-.8 for Ls .
I know there was no re uh the nino between 1937 and Hove-nbor of 1959.
Th-are wore a lat of omo ins at the nine and it was only natural that
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cn an, open shop baiil. I pan one of the hm; $9 _
con ued ' sign up with the UJEJWQ I honrd that there Inn
n lot of figldiilig on the urfllue after I would
go below for my job and .that mm} men were beaten up, but I never so-Ir may
of it myself» Nobody over really bothered no to Join tho U.l!.?I'¢ but I helrd ,
that 11 lot of the older men woro actually boaton up by tin U-Kit? men. I
didn't Sign up until it been-no quite ppi-rent that our whole loonl ml
going to sign up. Aa_far as my 1.-LI'bC.'_r.¬-1 knowledge is oonoo:-nod the
company was noutml with regard to tho mime» I know that it was the
general opinion mong tho non that the ocnpany avored the UJLU. men.
It was always gnorally understood that tho UJLW. non got tho boat _
jobs and wore allowed more privilogc-a but I do not hlui the nmnou 01'
um; T_T.l-I-We non who wofo ac fllvorodn
"I havo road over this entire atntonont of six pg, U-we
initialed tho first five pages to show that I hwiro road ouch page 1-aid
hcroby sign this last page. I wish to state that this statement is true
to tho boat of my memory and if oullod upon 1 would tcatir to tho above»
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quite well. He is very definite £1": "st things tint hr: knows, Lnd would
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H not _ Inks the following stt-te-me.-nt tc in who have identifiedthemselves o me 0 e peoiol gen s o o oer Burellu of Investiga-
tion. Ho pmmises, threats, or oonsiderotions of may kind hove boon mode
to mo to nuke this st¢l'b0menc. It is true and I-ecu;-ate, and I en willing
to repent any pert oi it in oourt if nooessor-_y-.
4. ' "I went to work at Mine B in 1922 and worked there until
January of 1941. When I firs'E -o-:11.-to Mine "B" I was 1:. member oi
tho United Mine Workers beoeuse everyone had to be o member of the
United Mine workers in order to get o job at that mine. It was =-
olosod shop. In l952 the Progrossivg Mj._Eie__jowr1;er_§ o1'_i".,merioo. was
organised and I joined that union. It had e o1osod' s'hop and I was in _
member of this union until I left Hino B. In 1956 hnd 1937 I was
nion toward at this mine, end was Etewnrd egin frat 1?.i59 to 19%.:
"Before 1952 when the Pl? of 1;. was organised there had never
boon any trouble st Mine B with the nonr.-gonent. There was sozredissension
Eunong the non L1 the nine with the LEE about the assessments, etc. but
there was no 1-col. trouble. Some of the men who bed been disgusted
with the Uni? were tried by the Uni"n nd Elshoff fired them. Elsho
and the Union got along pretty well in those days.
When the Ph-Y of A. was organized, we all were lmxious to
join, and none of us would go book to work until the mun Elshofi U1-d
discharged were rohirod. Ihem the PIN of is was organized every employee _
at the mine was in fever of tT1'is union. at least I never hoe-rd nnyono
dissent about joirring the wnu? of :'~...- The P55? oi 5 kept pretty oloso to
the men end stood up for them Whenever anything happened. The Pm? of A
did this much better then the UH? had done. Elshoff did not like the
RU very much booousa it protected the men so much better. I never
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H 1.!" ' 2 beard him oey amything nbout it, but I oould tell
frcxn the my he noted and the .§>_reae1ona on his feee,
ocn 1:-med 92 eto., that he did not like the PH}! very we-11. Hol-
ever, I nevler heard hi soy anything about the Uil.
Twice in 1956, however, I did kr'r FBO¢l'_$-ltti, the mine superin-
tendent any that sooner or later e;'l1;._th0 men would be book under the
LMET End once he said that they would be better off 1.11 together in
the some union. He seemed to want that the men belting to the ULM but
never said anything about it. I did not know muoh about what was going
on amongst Elshoff und Fzilootti, but these remarks were made in my
presence. Thot was before the strike in 1957.
"In 19156 there were sane men who hn-d been ousing trouble
in tho mine and had been tried by the Union, but Elehoff and Fclsotti
would not fire them. I was not at the triels, and did not hear ilahoff
or Fmlietti any anything about it.
' "I went to the Union meetings regularly. They wore held twice
0 month. The minors were very loyal to the Union during all the time
that the PM'.'. were working ut the mine. Sometimes there would bu over 400
men at the union meetings. Sometimes there would be only Z00 or so,
depeuzlihg on the weather etc. Whenever there was c. special meeting
of the Union, almost off of them came. Spooinl meetings were rmnounoed
by ploing R notice on the bulletin bonrd at the mine. '
tony Fir.-toh, Charles Bc=hL-nnon, and Frllnk hlustin and emu
of the other zotr1Im"Utryig"¬o U -e.tfSé bro9211b1o i;t'theT'233.. I did not
he-or ay of them ask anyone to join the U14-.i but I did hour those three
say to other men that the Pm! oontrf-ot We-a not I1 retroactive contract,
and some other things that were not true ubout the HIKT oontroot and
Qffiqiulg. I else sow Tony Plotoh ht;-ndling a petition at the mine in
1936. I did not see that potitimi.
"Except for those men, "Ea, 1: I hove emod and also Joo*_.:}_hgt;-_,os,q_,h.odrow_Ij3~ohrc92fevioue, DoniAnoo__B;.equ&lq, Peter}-92}Ct~rter, Cotton »nI§r§iIl.l,
John"Si_r_t_oy_1t, 'nor3r_i.1I:_;oa.jnju;,_r. who were I-lw'-eye eompluining about the
ws "the PEI was being run I did not hear uny oi_the £n;0§1_ Working there
}§_<'§~_';iIz§I'r,. about the Union. They were ull sotiaifed with the £z_r_r£1__.v92lQq_§;ri_1.-1
for wages, eto. '
"The dr-y before the strike, or close to the strike, Fnloet-bigI'."' yellow paper that cine out of the oompeny
office, no eexed o road it to the non; There were copies of it q
for the men, but n7:T;e of us tok it._ --
at id something about the tomoorory contract with the mine not having
o retroactive oleuse in it. -"Te did not pay any attention because we lmow
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- INTEWIQJ WITH '1: couple of days oefore the strike Ins celled, J
the day before there was o Bpeoil meeting of the
, . ' Q» eon Union. It was held in the day time because that Ill
not n work day. at tint ineeting almost ell of the .
men at the mine were present. There were more than-100 present. I Inl _
there. at that meeting, we decided that we would not go book to Work
until Elahoff and Faleetti had fired the men who be-d been tried by the
union and elelled. The next day none of us went down in the nine at
ell. We demanded to Faloetti that these men be discharged. I heard
Foloetti refuse. Be gave us one excuse that the men oould belong to '
any union that they muted to. 1 do not know mes. day 11; was m=1=" '
light oars were caning to the surface. I believe that it was the day
before the strike. I do not know what rel-eon there was for the light
oars. I do not roall that there was 12:2,! discussion about Wages Lt the
time of the strike. The refusal 92I'L.l to work with the 12 men who had been
tried and expelled by the union in 1956. The day of the strike we
stayed around and did not work. about the next week, we went out in
the morning and watched to see if anyone came to work. about 300 of
us were there at the road on those mornings just yathohig. There was
no picket line. Some oi the men come to work, and a few went in, but
not very many. We kept this up just e. week or so, staying there only
about en hour in tho morning.
"Several times during the suzcuser of 1937 after tho strike, I _
wont with the committee to the mine in order to try to get things fixed
up to go book to work. Faloetti. always refused to fire the men because _
of the "-iagner .»ot._ He said that that -not gave then the right to belong
to any union that they sol fit.
"In September when they ate:-ted to open the mine r-gain, we all
went out to the mine to see who would show up. The first day the 12
men who had been expelled from the RM union oune. We did not atop
them. The next day, about 500 oi us showed up and told Fhloetti that
if those 12 went down in the mine that we were going. We lined up in
front of the pit to go down. None of us ozepeoted to go down but we were
ready. The 12 men did not go into the pit, and we decided to stay right
there on tho property to see that the ounpeny would not put anything
over on us. Elshofi would not deal with the PIE and we were begilming
to think that he was favoring theU1.1*.'¥. Ho did not eign any oontreot with
lmybody. Ie stayed on the property until the injunetion.~ 1-hon
shall came with the injmmotion we left the property without any
as far as I know Elshoff did not try to open the mine after the
He would have announced it in the paper, and blown the whistle, but I
never heard that he had tried. . rthe Map-
trouble.
inj uno ti on.
"In Hay of 1931, ad few days uftor the strike started
had e petition. F:-loetti 1156 told us that he nee c. petition of over see
signatures of the men at the mine who wunted to go for UHF. I htd heard .
that euoh o petition had been passed, but most of tho follows 01!-izzod that
it was Ia fraud. To ehow foloetti how we felt, we all lined up and wonttho?!-T .
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um Peloetti office, nd signed the Eeiticia
right there on his desk. Feleetti stood there and
qtehed us for a while, until he got tired of it,
and walked out. I do not know of any other
petitions.
"During the time frcm December 1937 when the injunction cine
and we left the Mine B property until the Nine opened in 1959 I Ill-I
unemployed for over a year, and could not find e job anywhere. I finally
got R job at one of the Pt-nbl:1_87:'__§_I:§g;;_ 1_4_§._.t_I:§, but I could not get 2. good
p1LG8 and did not make enough money to live on. Hy mother was sick at
that tire, we hid E big doctor bill, end e lrge grocery bill. The only
way that we could settle UP was to sell our hcne, which we did.
"During the time of the strike I went out to the mine many
times with the committee in order to try and get things straightened
out and go buck to work. Fnlcetti ignored us moat of the time thot we
wont there. Ho would talk with us, but would shake his heed whenever
we mentioned the 12 men and would then change the subject. I do not '
roall th-t there W1-.5 any agreement with the Union us to opening the
IEIZEQ-eguin in 1959. That was the first time he tried.
I went buck to Mine B n week or no after the mine reopened.
There ind been e smhll cave in and I could not get to my room. After it
was clemod up I wont back to my sumo yvorking place in tho mine. iliost
of the men went buck to tho some rooms. I whl mine stow-_rd and heard
the conplointe "cs they eumc up. although I did not have any trouble, I
know thtt the F »~£.. men were given poorer rooms etc. when _t_h_e_re roans
pot.-red Out then the Uzi? men. Dirt woe being camped on the o-ore of the
Pi-.I.»'i men, their tools were being stolen, and they were oceton. M-Hny times
I woe with the committee when they complained to Folcetti I-nd Elshoff
about the conditions, and they refused to do tlnything ubout it. They
easily could have done something. He would soy that he did not knew
what he could do about it, and would shy thnt ho would son-d one of
the bosses to check on it, but none ever did. I ens in Felon-tti's office
almost every morning. The some thing hf-ppcmod every day. I never
hei-rd either Felcetti or Blehofi any anything ubout changing Unions
etc. Many tines when we went to the office, the U157 oonmittoe would
lrcudy be the-2'9, and when we came in, they would quit talking. I do
not know if 11$ 1-rue ta-king o_re of their oompluints or not.
"I do know, however, tn;-t after sonrebody joined tho UIN that
dirt *-we not found in their coo-1, th1.t their tools were not being; Itolen
ony more-, and they were soon taken out of their room, end put into t-
g00d room. Trot was common knowledge about the mine.
"When the mine rcopcnod, there was no evidence of any big
gave in or fire th.t I sew. Then I first wont into the mine, about
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__'g.__f'_ . "7 ' "-~:RE: JOHN L. IE--"IS, ET £1» *
INTQVIE. TITEI I did not 81 a U Iii -Jotition
5 ' on ' I A ...
continued! petition in the 51.u:usr of 1937.
"I do not know of the formation of a new U E '..' local M69 July 29,
1937.
"I attended some P 3.! .1 m<.ctin_;s in the uznncr of 1937, but I do not
r~-;1h-.,-r -.;ha.t took place. I was not t:.rc:.t. nod at these uootin-gs. 50 far as
E 3-znov there was no violence in tho su:'1...or of 1937. -
"So:.ctino in SE1;-4tC:Lb'tr, 133'? I was in.ior:v:.d that P IE .'. had a picket
lino at Lino "Eff. I went to llinc "B" as a picket about four dajs after the
piclz-;ting 's£'s;F*.;-e, as I thouxht I would enjoy acting as a picket. I canted
to act as :1 gickct and no one thIC.;t1l=DCd. no if I did not act as a picket.
Tncrc was no fore." or violencc when I was a picket. I b92-633:9 sick after
about a month and £1 nolf of picketing and return homo. d--'h~Lio at Home I heard
an injunction had b0oD obtsinod to
-;bl= to make a st..t.::..ent as to theprcvunt pickoting of Liine "B". I an Im-
attitude mc-ab rs of F 2? .-. took tows-rdJ
92
t1.:= infpr.ctien as I took no intorost in it. No pickets were-. brought in, all
pi cizets mere local.
"I did not know of an attczagt to open Hins B Dec. 13, 1937.
- "I voted at the N L 3 B election Doc. 15, 193'? for P H A. The elsctio
was fair and no threats were made to anyone. So far as I kznoo the miners of
Iiino "B" went to vote volxmtarilg and no one was carried tovote by P II .1.
"I did not know": of an attempt to open Mine B on Jan. 1+, £938.
"I was emplojezd by tn Goal I-tine in the first part. of
1938 as a minor and I did not t-1"-.1:o z..n;' interest in Kine "B" after I wasemplo;'e=d at thc 11i1w, 1;-horef ore, I an unable to furnish any infor-
. B . nation subshqucnt o u first part c- 1138 concerning Iiine
' "I re.-ccivod notice to report for nor}: at Kine "B" in
I did not report for mark as I was o::plo*_Od,_ nor did I take
in the opening of tho mine.
"I have had tho pro- <_;_o_oHdj_In¢'
is true an. corrott to LE3 bust 0-?
i /3!mg knowledge. 'ill
Nov. 1939, but
any inter-ast -
ii.r.; pages read to no and tnc St-§_tC"-.4;G!'1t_P'~1