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Exosomes are the Songs of Healing — Dr. Edward Park & Dr. Achina Stein
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[music] Welcome to the What If It's Not Depression podcast. This is Dr. Aina Stein. We are having another episode on this podcast. It's been a few weeks now and I'm currently going to be interviewing Dr. Ed Park. Um he we are going to talk about exoomes and you're going to learn about what they are. Uh Dr. Park is an expert in the field and uh if you like this episode, please hit subscribe and uh and click the like button. Thank you. So Dr. Park is a Harvard trained physician and pioneer in the clinical use of stem cell exoomes for regenerative medicine. Motivated by a personal quest to uncover the secrets of aging and illness, Dr. Park has dedicated his career to harnessing the power of telomeres, stem cells, and exoomes to help others achieve optimal health and longevity. He shares his expertise through lectures, presentations, and a comprehensive training course for medical professionals. Welcome, Dr. Park. >> Thanks, Aina. Thanks for having me. >> Oh, it's great having you here. I know have been on your podcast and now it's your turn. >> It's really nice supporting each other's work and and getting uh people to know more about what they can do for their health. >> Yeah. So, let's jump right in. You know, I'd love to hear about your personal story about why you even got into exosomes. I know you're very curious about them and you did a lot of research and a deep dive and certainly wrote a book about it, but yeah, if you can start from there, that would be awesome. and then to talk about what what are exoomes and how they're different from telomeres or what they are uh what telomeirs are and how they're different from stem cells. >> Sure. Um you know I was living my life like most people just taking care of work and kids and whatnot and my dad came down with brain cancer. Oh gosh it must have been 20 some 21 years ago. So, it kind of hit me like, hey, why do people get sick and why do they get old? So, I I discovered tieamirs. I got really excited about that and I had like a midlife crisis before 40 and I was like, I'm going to be a screenwriter. So, I I wrote a screenplay science fiction about the future where people have a tome's activator and it was kind of like this conscious transfer before that was a thing. Anyway, so that was called Maximum Lifespan. It was a graphic novel. And then the next year in 2007, a company came out with a real talomeorous activator. So I thought, hm, what is the universe telling me I should try it? So I tried it and in three months I had lost 15 pounds, no diet, no exercise. So I think it caused some kind of extinction event. >> It was then I got really interested in anti-aging. So for the last 18 years I've been taking this tilome activator and [clears throat] I wrote a book called the tie uh tie time bombs diffusing the terror of aging and then several years later the Hay House publishing company asked me to write the tie miracle which people should pick up. I don't know if it's in print anymore but it just talks about things that you talk about kind of like uh diet, exercise, mindset, breathing. I know in the green room as you're waiting it says breathe breathe. [laughter] So it's just ways that people can hack their own talomeorase activity. It's kind of based on the science, but as it turns out, no surprise, people that do healthy habits live longer because perhaps their tieumir are longer, >> right? That's [clears throat] >> so yeah. So, you know, I was um lecturing on tieumirs, talomeores, taking that for now 18 years, and I think it's helped me, you know, keep the gray hair off, no reading glasses. And then about uh eight nine years ago, I was hired or not hired. The guy never paid me. He still owes me for coffee, but this eccentric uh millionaire wanted to cure aging. So, uh I found a guy that was interested in exosomes and we would meet every month and talk about it. And then, uh eight years ago, I I heard a lecture about exoomes and the the story was so interesting. It was so polarizing. He said he'd been in a motorcycle accident, broken seven ribs, collarbone, and ankle, lost a third of his blood, and that he just took exosomes. He was up there five, six weeks later laughing and lecturing, and I was like, "Wow, that could be really interesting." So, I tried it on my meniscus and my rotator cuff and my Achilles, and indeed, they all got better. >> So, for the last eight years, I've treated oh god, I don't know, nearly 700 people in 3,200 treatments. So, it started with just friends and family and close patients, but now I'm trying to spread the word and teach providers how to do that, too. >> Awesome. Awesome. So, yeah, you mentioned those words and people are probably still wondering what is a telomeir. What is an exoome? >> That's fair. Okay. So, [clears throat] again, I I had it like candles have wicks, right? Or firecrackers have wicks. So at the end of every chromosome is sort of like a a blank tape leader or a wick a fuse and every time a cell divides because of the mechanics of where it starts copying they shorten by 50 to 100 base pairs. So what that means is if you have a non- stem cell and it divides too many times it'll die off. Okay? So that's like a fundamental core engine of aging. Now there's two things that make a stem cell stem cell. One is tomeorase activation. In other words, the ability to relengtheen the fuses making them immortal. Uh although there are certain changes in the epigenetics that still cause them to behave less robustly. And then asymmetric division that means the mom makes a perfect copy of herself and then a specialized daughter. That's the two things of stemness. But as I've gone to this stem cell conferences and exoome conferences, I realized that nobody's really an expert. So the fundamental kind of mind-blowing thing is that cells are in a continuum. And I think that was really blown out uh or made true by the Yamanaka factors, right? If you give certain mRNA or proteins or even chemicals, you can cause a cell to become very primitive in its behavior. >> So what we have to understand is that probably the maintenance and healing of our body is on a continuum of differentiation and then sudden brief differentiation. So stuff that is old and damaged can suddenly act sort of early stage embryionic and regenerate. >> H is that word salad? So tie are the are the time clocks on the on the chromosomes and stem cells can relen. So a daughter can only be as good as her mother >> and um and so the daughter inherits usually most of the epigenetic which is the software. So if you're sitting there in the liver and you're a liver cell, you're not going to suddenly become a kidney cell. Yeah. >> So that's the software. But the bottom line is life is a journey from one stem cell, you have fertilized egg to zero when you die. And as we get through life, if you get to the 110s, studies showed on a Dutch lady that she only had two immune variants where she should have thousands. So throughout our lives we are being depleted of stem cells mainly by this engine of copying copying copying and incomplete restoration restoration restoration of the fuses. >> Ah wow. And so how are stem cells >> So a stem cell is a musician right? So it can play whatever it wants as a request. So it packages in these tiny exosomes which are like the songs. That's why my book is called exosomes songs of healing. >> You know it may be a dozen or so different. Yes. Proteins >> but not usually proteins or lipids. It's usually m mRNA. >> Actually not I I misspoke. It's usually RNA but mRNA can be very long. you know, some peptides are eight base pairs or whatever, eight amino acids, but some are, you know, hundreds, right? Big proteins. So, it turns out that when you talk to the founder and chief scientific officer and they do their omix or their study of what's in them, there's a lot of microRNA, right? So, microRNA people might not know is is the anti-sense thing. It's like um 22 23 base pairs. And when you have an mRNA, which is the the message to translate a specific protein for a specific action, if you gum [clears throat] it up with a exactly matching 22 base pair code, you know, this microRNA, you can't express that for a time, right? >> So there's a couple microRNAs uh M133b and 34A, I think. And this is why we can regenerate nerves. we can regenerate axons and dendrites and myelin because these things have those in them but they also have other growth factors stem cell factors um you know BEGF IGF IGF binding protein I mean there's a a [clears throat] lot of studies on what's in them but basically it's like if you asked you know a musician what are they playing they couldn't really explain it to you because it's a different language Right. >> Right. >> And then >> you know it's why are you playing that? Well, it's melody, it's harmony, it's like >> ver it's sustain and then you know Indian music has half notes you know so it's all very esoteric to us. >> It is. Yeah. Um so you know the mRNA is like a blueprint. >> That's right. Yeah. >> The I mean that's just to simplify for people who don't understand um you know what DNA is and what mRNA is. DNA is your is your actual gold template that never changes and the mRNA is like a printing press >> of of the of the actual template. Like if you were making money, >> right? You have a template of the of the dollar bill and the $5 bill and the $10 bill. Those are different kinds of DNA sequences uh printed out in a photo, so to speak. [laughter] Uh, and then the mRNA are the are the actual bills that are printed off of each of those things, right? And the >> exactly >> come off of the mRNA. >> Uh, no, the exosomes is a very, it's like they've known this from electron microscopy. So, for example, you know, I treated myself yesterday for old frostbite and when you melt it, it's totally invisible, right? So, if you get cloudy, that means you're above 200 nmters. But because light cannot be detected below 200 nanometers, you you melt them and they're literally invisible. So we've known from electron microscopy that they were being extruded from the cells, but people thought they were poop just very arbitrarily. >> Quite the contrary, turns out that's the main mechanism of cell communication >> in plants and animals. They release these exosomes. So that's really only about an 18-year-old feel that people realize, oh, we've been seeing the poop for 90 years, but it's not poop, it's actually their songs, their communication. So big big error, big blind spot. >> So when you look in a cell like a scanning electron microscopy, there's the nucleus, like you said, that holds the golden blueprint. >> And so the central dogma of cell biology is that all of life is from this gene expression, right? So genes are the DNA code and they make the messengers the messenger single strand RNA which feeds into the ribosomes which translate into a protein sequence and then it gets packaged in the Golgi apparatus. So that was kind of the mysterious like thing that [clears throat] they saw. So when you make a co virus to give yourself more co you make a 100 nanometer bubble with some COVID in there and some spike proteins. But when your cells are just talking to each other or you know a cactus is making exoomes to talk to the other cactus cells then it also comes off the Golgi apparatus. So the Golgi apparatus is factory to make these little 50 to 100 nanometer invisible spheres these bubbles and they get you know squeezed out into the world and that's how the cells communicate. >> Yeah. From one cell to the next to the next to the next. The billions of cells that you have in your body. >> Right. because the phospholipid bubble will travel through your body and then it'll go somewhere else and touch another cell and it'll get kind of um swallowed up and then it's just as though that other cell uh made it itself because the messenger RNA in this case the microRNA is being sent from like let's say a mezzenymal stem cell or a doctor repair cell to the injured knee cartilage for example. So when you take exoomes from what I'm giving you, it's kind of like your body thinks it's healing like a newborn baby >> because unlike cells which are 500 times bigger in diameter, >> these are so small that the the the Golgi apparatus and the cell doesn't put self antigens on there. So as you know when you get a kidney, you need to be on suppressants because it's someone else's major compatibility, right? So that it'll be rejected. Same thing with offthe-shelf stem cells. They'll be rejected within a few days. But because exosomes never have any of that self antigen, Aina thinks she's a newborn baby again. She's feeling like that. [laughter] >> Yeah. Well, I'm looking [clears throat] forward to trying them someday. >> Sooner the better. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I will. I will. We'll have to find a time for uh me to fly out to go see you. So, um anyway, yeah. So, so how does how do they even get these exoomes? How are they made? How are they extracted? And >> can you talk? >> I mean, it's kind of a trade secret, but basically, uh, the best way to think of it is a baby in the bath water, right? So, if you have stem cells in a dish or, you know, a flask and [clears throat] you stress them in a certain way with low oxygen, they'll think they're in a like a healing like fractured ankle and they'll start spewing out all these healing messages for the cartilage that's not even there, right? Or the ligaments. >> So, you just every couple days you strain the bath water out and add new nutrients and it's in the bath water. So, in the past they used to throw uh the bath water out. Now it's so precious they can micro filter it really nano filter it if we're being honest 50 to about 180 nanometers >> and in that size exclusion are these tiny invisible particles. Hm. Wow. Wow. You know, that kind of even explains why homeopathy works, right? [laughter] In some in some sense, it's kind of the same uh um not philosophy, but um you know, wave. >> Yeah. I don't know. I went to at least a songopathy lecture. It kind of blew my mind. I didn't really >> Honestly, it doesn't make sense. But there's a lot of things that don't make sense. [laughter] >> Yeah, it's similar. It's a similar concept though that's so small that it's really communication um from like to like and um you know and it's and it's not rejected it's as opposed to al >> yeah I don't know energy vibe thing I mean her lecture really blew my mind to be honest but like yesterday I was hanging out I was giving a tour to my Australian friends and one of them is a shaman and you know her husband also believes in some weird stuff and I was like okay I don't know but you know it's like anything else once you experience it like that 15 pound weight loss then you can't not believe it like >> right >> there's nothing I did in terms of diet exercise right >> right so >> I just kept on taking that I was just at 84M last weekend and >> you know over the years we've seen fads come and go and everyone's monetizing similar things >> but the TA65 still has a booth out in the front and uh >> it's been working for a lot of people >> it's interesting molecule it's like vitamin D or steroid molecule but it there's a little side chain modifications. It comes from a Chinese herb. So I think it really has a lot of interesting effects for people's sleep, their mood, exercise recovery and um yeah that is like I don't know if you know anything about uh Hinduism but that's like >> that's what my culture is. [laughter] >> Oh okay. >> Yeah. >> So anyway the uh Vishnu is the god of maintenance. So to is how we maintain stem cell health, right? Mhm. >> So uh Brahma is like stemness. So the exoomes can turn back the differentiation like Yamanaka factors and get those stem cells to be primitive regenerate your knee or your nerves. And the third thing is Shiva and then unfortunately we don't really have a safe controllabletic and it's not something we would want. I mean people they use curcumin. There's other things like FOX4 DRRI which is a competitive agonist to FOX4 which uh inhibits P-53 apoptosis. >> Anyway, this is all Charlie Brown speak to people. But if you want to learn more, you could check out the books. I explain the central dogma cell biology. I explain my stem cell theory of aging and I explain why the tree morti really kind of explains what we're up against this maintenance creation and destruction right >> and so from birth to death it's it's kind of like we're trying to maintain but we slowly lose because of the tieumirs >> stem cells go away through shiva and then we have uh we die because our immune system isn't working or we get cancer or all the above so >> right Right. Right. Yeah. So, what are some conditions? So, you mentioned you know uh fractured ankle or ribs or you know some kind of physical injury and maybe nerve uh nerve damage. What are some other conditions that you could use stem cells to or sorry exisomes to treat? >> Well, let me disambiguate one thing. So, I went to this uh stem cell conference in Hong Kong this year and only about 5% of the posters even mentioned exosomes. So, if you ask a stem cell scientist, they'll say, "Well, how do stem cells work?" And they'll say, "Well, through exosomes, >> but they're in a different silo, right? They're studying the macro, the large scale microns." So, they're in a different silo. If you go to the exosome conference, which I've been to a couple times, all they care about is exosomes, which is normal. That's just how people are. But everyone agrees this is how stem cells communicate. In the past, when I wrote the first book, I was under the impression that maybe stem cells go to the location and graft and differentiate into bone, muscle, whatever, cartilage. But that's not the case. No one thinks that anymore. Mhm. >> So, how do they make the local stem cells in that local niche work? And we the honest answer is nobody knows. But the best clue is probably that there's a lot of microRNA. >> So again, um you have tonic inhibitors of differentiation, right? Basically, there are these uh proteins from messenger RNA that say don't act like a child, don't act like a child, don't act like a child. And then for a brief time, the microRNA can block that message and then that local cell will act like a child and it'll start regrowing and regenerating, sprouting, right? Because it's not just a cancer mechanism of defense, but it's also like it's a waste of energy to be growing, growing, growing, growing. We're not like jellyfish in the ocean where we can just get massive. We got to be, you know, stay in our little lane and and be small and maintain. So I don't know if I answered your question but that's >> it's basically a panacea it in my experience after 3300 treatments it can do almost anything because it it doesn't rely upon you being smart or fizer making a good chemical it's how your body is designed >> so if you take the same stuff from a healing stem cell from a newborn placenta and you put in you only good stuff happens. Now does that mean that you can't have complications? No. if someone has COVID, uh, like the owner of this company, I asked him, hey, bro, are you what are you gonna do? You just got COVID. He goes, I'm not gonna take exoomes. I go, I know. He goes, yeah, he needs to make antibodies. Right? So, the one thing that I've seen maybe one in 30 people is cold sore activation. People go, why isn't why is that good is good, bad is bad? I'm like, no, no, it's not that simple. As I explained in the book, you know, it's like your immune system is making antibodies to prevent your cold sore reactivation, right? But when you take the exosomes, all those little soldiers go to uh build houses like they go from like ice to habitat for humanity. So you can get a cold sore activation and if you're coming down with a cold, you it can get worse. >> So other than that, it's very very safe. It doesn't seem to activate cancer or anything like that. Mhm. >> But yeah, there's no um free rides in biology. >> Right. I was going to ask what if there were any contraindications or was was there a group is there a particular group of people who shouldn't take it at all? You know, so >> if somebody has active cancer then I I don't because um you know rising tide lifts all boats. >> So you know you don't want those uh unresolved cancer cells to go crazy. >> Yeah. Well, you know, sometimes people have cancer and they don't even know it, right? Yeah. >> Well, you know, at the A4M, the booth next to us was this early cancer diagnosis company. If you go on to my YouTube channel, Dr. Park DRPK65, I interviewed the Ankolot people. And this was like 12 years ago. They had an early cancer detection. So, the premise is good. But the problem is that company went out of business because people would get uh their mastctomy or their hysterctomy and then the pathologist couldn't find any cancer. So there it's a problem of excess sensitivity and the inference that just because you have a detectable cancer protein that it's 100% correlated with clinical outcome is faulty. >> I mean I write about in the book and I truly believe that we get cancer millions of times in our lives and that the primary mechanism of destruction is cell suicide. When the cell knows that the chromosome number is wrong, the p-53 suicides the cell. >> Then on top of that the immune system. What we've seen is a lot of you know cancers after this COVID immune derangement. So that's the other main mechanism in in Hong Kong. I saw this great lecture. This woman was making natural killer self. Why are they called natural killer? Because they kill cancer natural. >> So there's many levels of detecting and eradicating cancer before it becomes the thing. >> And once you get diagnosed with the thing, the C word, then your brain goes nuts. You become the cancer victim. You nuke your immune system with chemo and then you fry the local vasculature with radiation. I mean, the best is if you have a little ditzel and they cut off your face, you're cured. But yeah, I think that we get cancer all the time. It just whether it is ever going to be a problem. It's kind of like, you know, pre- crime minority report. I I agree with you and I I often use the example of you know when a company is marketing a product you know there's always going to be quality control in place and you know so when you have a recall that you know of of of a product that's defective then it's eliminated and taken off the market right [snorts] so it's the same way in the body that you know things are sort of labeled uh in the body as this is defective we got to remove this from it and so that's when the natural killer cells come along and or cells to remove those defective products that are being made by the body. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I mean I mean I agree generally but specifically I had the experience with that a year ago >> where uh >> in my apartment building like I I warned my kids when they come and visit I'd say don't don't touch the stove. Don't bump into it. It'll turn on if there's anything near it. It'll ignite. So, a year ago, >> I had this horrible apartment fire as I was, you know, outside checking my emails. Uh, fire trucks pulled up and in my neighborhood there's a lot of people who just let fire alarms go and what. So, I didn't really I turned around and the entire apartment was filled with smoke, black smoke. So, I went in and it was raining like monsoon and there was a big fire over the stove. So long story short, you know, a fireman came, the water leaked down five stories and I I end up owing 161,000. So you want to talk about depression, anxiety, you know, depression is like uh ruminating on the past and anxiety is the future. So I was kind of traumatized and then I tried to remediate the soot by sleeping and cleaning it. Even though there were hepailters, I got some serious brain damage. So, uh, the my point is the segue is those stoves were recalled like two months later and the landlord still didn't tell. And this is the third time in this apartment that we've had a massive fire >> because if you even bump there was a dog and a mover. If you even bump the knobs, they're defective. >> Wow. >> So, that manufacturer finally did a consumer reports thing saying, "Hey, dummies, this is how you turn off the knobs when you're not using it." But my landlord is totally negligent. and then and then they put me on the hook for 61,000. So, [laughter] >> right. >> Anyway, I I'm ruminating over it. So, I'm a little bit anxious about having to pay that and I'm a little depressed that that happened. >> But, um, >> you asked a question generally about mood disorders. I don't think they're disorders. Like, when we're taught in school, there's affect and mood >> and then there's personality and there's major depression and there's, you know, whatever. I mean, I think as we discussed in your interview for my podcast, you know, it's it's normal to feel things, >> right? >> It's can be dysfunctional to ruminate over them, >> right? And so, as I talked to, you know, my shaman over the last, you know, weeks, she's been hanging out >> and she gave me these amazing stories about people she's treated, I realized that, you know, we were talking about the Rob Reiner thing and her response is is always a little orthogonal. She's always like, she says, "Well, we don't know what their soul contract was," right? So, there's this very, I guess if you're a shaman, you have a different view, >> right, >> on incarnation and and that it's not just a a blob of cells in you. I mean, she says that the soul really enters the baby upon its first birth. And this is not as a right-winger or a left-winger. And she will help people allegedly get pregnant really late into advanced maternal age by finding these spirits to incarnate. And these stories are just amazing like you know and so you know she believes it 100%. I believe it something a little less but [clears throat] >> but um I do think that it's kind of a superpower to be traumatized and that's really the alchemy of life, right? to be felt feeling so deeply unlike an AI LLM. I mean, it can dispassionately talk about genocide or whatever torture and it doesn't matter. But for us, it's really those early childhood adverse experiences that forms our flavor and template, right? It makes us healers. Uh, right? But then when we really transcend what it is to be sad in the moment in the life you know we realize that you have two choices like they say the alcoholics kids can either never drink or always drink. >> So that's the amazing part of incarnation is the the degree to which we appear to have free will. So, I don't really think that I'm that happy a person, but I don't think I'm that sad either when I think about it. [laughter] >> And the absence of pain is really great. Like to be able to whenever something gets messed up like >> five years ago, I got really bad frostbite like ice water got in my Uggs. I took off my boots and they and my feet were black and blue. So, I took Exosomes four years ago and they've been fine. Lately, they've been a little cold. I might go skiing next week with my family. So, I just inject it around the arteries again. So, >> now we have something that can kind of >> regenerate whatever it is. And I feel like, you know, we could go a long time with those just those two. >> But, yeah, >> we've got the Vishnu and the Brahma. I'm not sure we I think it's really we need to do an end run around the um Shiva because the problem is depletion, right? So, my son and I went to Costa Rica this summer. He gave a lecture and next year he's give going back as a 27y old he's 26 now and freezing his stem cells because the 26 year old version of him is good. I mean there is some genetic mutation that happens right so if he needs an immune system 200 years in the future and they're still in business he can thaw it out and get his immune system back. So >> assuming he's going to live 200 years. [laughter] >> Well, that's the way you live 200 years by, you know, this we I used to deliver babies as an OB. >> And people would save cord blood. That's good. Not great. But if you could just save the placenta. >> I mean, the ability to thaw it out and extract just a little bit of stem cells. That's like trivial. That's like >> easy. Yeah. >> So, as a human, right, people should be able to bank their placentas and then, you know, whenever you need replacement organs in the future, you just scrape a little off and thaw it out and you're you're good to go. >> Wow, that's fascinating. Well, you know, you you opened up a lot of uh other other topics to talk about, but we're kind of out of time. Um I'm you know you have amazing mind and very very open to all possibilities and very curious about about new information in life. So it's that's really um commendable. >> Thanks. Yeah. No, I think my gift is to explain um kind of little complicated stuff in a simple way with analogies because you know I'm not like a scientist scientist. So, I just if you read any of my books, it'll you'll become like a pretty good you'll have a pretty good understanding of biology, cell biology. >> Right. Right. So, where can people find you if they wanted to work with you? >> Yeah. So, I practice in six states. I live in Southern California, but I go to Northern California, Utah, New York, Florida, Texas, and Hawaii. >> And um they can book a free consult, 20-minut Zoom consult, talk about their history. Uh that's www.rechargebiomedical.com. >> Awesome. >> And then I also have uh the YouTube channel which I've been maybe making videos for 17 years. >> And that's uh drp a rk65. >> Awesome. Great. >> Yeah. And we got the books out there too on Amazon. >> Yes. I'll have all of >> time bombs. Yep. >> Hey house's tie a miracle and my latest exosome songs of >> awesome. Awesome. Yep. And that's the one that I have. Yeah. Well, it was great great chatting with you. I I love all the information. It's yet another option for people to explore in trying to get their health um back to wellness and get out of being stuck in sickness. So, um >> yeah, I mean I it does great things like it helped my son's anxiety. He was really anxious five years ago. >> That was part of his journey. Now he's just much more present and happy. It helps with neuroinflammation. One of my best friends alcoholic. He stopped drinking for like six weeks. >> So um and a lot of the kids with autism are getting it and it helps their behavior and control. So some there is a thought that depression, mental illness, rumination is kind of like an inflammation of the brain. >> Yeah, it is. It is inflammation of the brain to >> and I think this really helps with inflammation. And there are various methods that we deliver it. But one of the most stunning things is a lot, not a lot, but sometimes you'll give a shot and someone says, "Whoa, my vision is so clear right now." >> And the only mechanism I can think is just the baseline inflammation in the occipital lobe. Or that the central processing unit in the brain, like the attention is so much more relaxed. >> That's really weird. Yeah. People say, "Oh my god, I can see so clearly." So, it's kind of like when you're parking your car, you got to turn on the radio so you can focus, you know? [laughter] It's that kind of thing. >> Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Well, it's great chatting with you. Have a great holiday season. >> You, too. >> And happy new year. [music]