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2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES GRAND JURY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK -x UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -V- : August 23, 2018 Additional JEFFERY EPSTEIN (2018R01618) -x APPEARANCE S: United States Courthouse Foley Square New York, New York June 18, 2019 12:57 p.m. Assistant United States Attorney Assistant United States Attorney Assistant United States Attorney Acting Grand Jury RepoLt_eL FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 ONLOLSDNYJ30000033 EFTA00008529 06/18/2019 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (Colloquy Precedes) (Witness Enters Room) (Time Noted: 1:08 p.m.) called as a witness, having been duly sworn by the Foreperson of the Grand Jury, was examined and testified as follows: BY MS. Q. Good afternoon Special Agent A. Good afternoon. Q. Could you please state and spell your full name for the record? A. Q. Where do you currently work? A. The FBI. Q. What is your title there? A. Special Agent. Q. How long have you worked as a special agent for the FBI? A. For over two years. Q. Where are you currently assigned? A. The Violent Crimes Against Children squad. Q. What are your duties and responsibilities as a special agent on that squad? A. I work child exploitation and human trafficking matters. We also work international and parental FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDN Y_00000034 EFTA00008530 06/18/2019 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 kidnappings. Q. Have you participated in an investigation of Jeffrey Epstein and his associates? A. Yes. Q. Have you spoken with other people, including other law enforcement officers, about this investigation? A. Yes. Q. Have you reviewed reports and documents prepared by others regarding this case? A. Yes. Q. Is your testimony today based in part 0± those conversations with other law enforcement officers and documents that you reviewed? A. Yes. MS. So ladies and gentlemen, some of the testimony that you're going to hear today will include hearsay. As you know, that means that the witness will not be testifying solely from her own observations, but that she'll also be reporting what others have told her and what she has read in reports and documents prepared by others. Hearsay evidence is admissible in these grand jury proceedings and you're free to rely on it in determining whether there is probable cause to indict any proposed defendants, if we end up returning to present a proposed indictment. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_0O00O035 EFTA00008531 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 If, however, you would like to hear the testimony of any other witness, you have the right to request it and we will make reasonable efforts to bring that witness before you. BY MS. Q. So Special Agent I'm placing in front of you what's been marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 1. Do you recognize that? A. Yes. Q. What is that? A. It's a presentation that was prepared to assist in testifying today. Q. And did you participate in preparing that exhibit? A. Yes. Q. And would it assist you in testifying today? A. Yes. Q. Okay. So we'll make that part of the record for today. Let me begin by just asking you a few questions about Jeffrey Epstein and what you've learned. Can you tell us, how old is Jeffrey Epstein? A. He is 66. Q. Based on open source reporting, what have you learned about Jeffrey Epstein's professional background? A. He's a wealthy individual that has a background as a money manager, background in finance, working in FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000036 EFTA00008532 06/18/2019 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 investments. Q. Is that what's been published and you reported about him? A. Yes. Q. During the course of your investigation, have you learned where Epstein maintains residences? A. Yes. Q. Where does he have residences? A. He has a residence here in Manhattan, along with Palm Beach, Virgin Islands and New Mexico. Q. Does he maintain an address in Manhattan located at 9 East 71st Street? A. Yes. Q. If we could turn to slide 2. Does that fairly and accurately depict the residence? A. Yes. Q. Could you please describe that property for the Grand Jury? A. It's a multi -story residence. It's reportedly the largest residence in Manhattan. It's right near Central Park. Q. Does Epstein also maintain an address in Palm Beach, Florida, located at 358 El Brillo Way? A. Yes. Q. Turning to slide 3, does that fairly and FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000037 EFTA00008533 06/18/2019 accurately depict that residence? 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. Could you please describe that property for the Grand Jury? A. It's a villa in Palm Beach, right on the water, has an in-ground pool along with a guest residence or apartment connected to it. Q. I want to turn now and talk to you about some of the witnesses you've interviewed during your investigation. During the course of this investigation have you participated in interviews with an individual named A. Yes. Q. For today's purposes I'm just going to refer to her as . About how many times have you interviewed A. We've spoken to her approximately five times. Q. Turning to the next slide. Are these photographs A. Yes. Q. Did she tell you approximately how old she was when both of these photographs were taken? A. Yes. Q. What did she tell you? A. The photo on the left she was approximately 13 FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNLGUDNYJX000038 EFTA00008534 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 7 years old, and the photo on the right she would have been 17 years old. Q. What is date of birth? A. . Q• In addition to your participation in interviews with , have you also reviewed reports from other law enforcement officers who've interviewed ? A. Yes. Q. And is your testimony today based on both your review of those reports and also your personal participation in interviews with ? A. Yes. FOREPERSON: Can you speak up a little bit more? Okay, thanks. BY MS. Q. Okay. So based on your participation in this investigation, have you learned where was living when she was about 14 years old? A. Yes. Q. Where was she living? A. She was living in Q. Was she living with her parents? A. No, not at that time. Q. Why not? A. She had a difficult home life. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_OOOOOO39 EFTA00008535 06/18/2019 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Was she going to school? A. She had started and dropped out. Q. About when did she drop out of school? A. The beginning of her freshman year, a few months into her freshman year, approximately. Q. And at about this time how was she supporting herself financially, in general? A. She worked different jobs. She worked in catering halls, as a waitress in restaurants and in clubs. Q. Did there come a time when learned about. Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. Q. How did that first happen? A. She met a girl named who told her that she could make money if she massaged this rich guy. Q. And when she heard that from , how did she respond? A. She wanted to make money, so she agreed. Q. What did she agree to do? A. She agreed to go to his residence and massage him. Q. Did recall about how old she was when she first went to his residence? A. She said she was approximately 14. Q. If was born in 1988, would she have been 14 in the year 2002? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_0O00O04O EFTA00008536 06/18/2019 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. And just to confirm, the date of birth listed on this slide, is that date of birth? A. Yes. Q. So you testified that she ultimately went to his residence. Which residence was that? A. The one here in Manhattan. Q. About how many times did she go to Epstein's residence? A. Multiple times, dozens. Q. During the time she went to Epstein's residence in Manhattan, did she tell you about what typically would happen when she would go to his house? A. Yes. Q. What are some of the things that she told you about what happened there? A. So the first time she went she went with And she entered the residence; they waited in the office until they were escorted upstairs to the massage room. Once in the massage room Jeffrey Epstein came into the room, he laid down on the table. Once he was on the table a girl massaged each side. And then would be asked to leave the room, would stay. From there, once he turned over he wanted his nipples pinched while he masturbated. Things FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNYJNMOX41 EFTA00008537 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 10 progressed each additional time she went. She would have to massage him while she was in her panties or without underwear on or any clothes on. And then eventually he would touch her. He touched her breasts, her genital area and then used a vibrator on her genital area. Q. Did tell you how much she was paid for each of these sessions? A. Yes. Q. How was she paid? A. $300. Q. Was she paid in cash? A. Yes. Q. Did she remember anything in particular about the way he paid her in cash? A. She was paid in hundred dollar bills. Q. During your interviews with what was her demeanor like when she would describe to you how Epstein touched her during these sessions? A. She became more emotional. The more she had to talk about some of the worse things that happened to her she became upset about it. Q. You wee explaining earlier that said she was approximately 14 when this began. Did she tell you whether she ever had any conversations with Epstein about her age? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000042 EFTA00008538 06/18/2019 :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. What did she tell you? A. She said that she told him she was 14. Q. Have you asked what Epstein's house was like? A. Yes. Q. How did she describe it to you? A. She gave a lot of detail about the house. She talked about the office having a round desk in it, she talked about the massage room had the massage table, it had lotions, it had moisturizers. On the walls there were sketches or paintings of naked females on them. And she also talked about a library in his residence that looked like it was something from out of Beauty and the Beast. Q. Is that how she described it to you? A. Yes. Q. So we've been talking about what you've learned during interviews with . Just to take a step back, how did you first establish contact with her? A. My partner and I located her at her residence. Q. her? What did she say to you when you first approached A. She was very nervous when we first talked to her. And she told us that she was 16, she went and massaged Epstein and he masturbated and he didn't touch her. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNYJXMOX43 EFTA00008539 06/18/2019 1L 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. And again, what was her demeanor like when she said this to you? A. She was very nervous. She was just very anxious while we were speaking with her. Q• Were you able to conduct a full interview of her at that time? A. No. Q• At a later point were you able to conduct full and thorough interviews with her? A. Yes. Q. And once you finally were able to interview her did you ask her why she said that when you first approached her? A. Yes. Q. What did she explain to you? A. She told us that she didn't even really remember what she had told us initially because she was so nervous, she was so worried. She was really concerned that if she talked to us she was going to go to jail, so she was really worried about being in trouble. Q. Did there come a point in time when Epstein asked to bring other girls to him? A. Yes. Q. What happened? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000044 EFTA00008540 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 A. She did. She reached out to other girls that she knew to see their interest. Q. I want to ask you a little bit about what told you about her role in bringing other girls to Epstein. Let me first just ask, in general, how would she find new girls? A. She would meet them through friends of friends. She met them in clubs, different social settings. Q. In general, what kinds of things would she tell them about what to expect? A. She told them that they would have to give a massage either with their underwear on or nude; that he would want his nipples touched and that he would masturbate. Q. Would she tell them anything about payment? A. Yes. Q. What would she tell them? A. She'd tell them that they would get $300 for massaging him. Q. Did have a sense, in general, of the ages of the ages of the girls that she brought to Epstein? A. She estimated around approximately 13, 14-year olds to 17-year olds. They were mostly underage girls that she brought. She did bring a couple that were 18. Q. Approximately how long did she participate in bringing girls to Epstein? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNLGUDNYJOMMINO EFTA00008541 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 A. Approximately three years of the three years :hat she went. Q. So approximately how old was she when this stopped? A. Seventeen. Q. During that time period, over those three years approximately, did she have a sense of about how many girls she brought over the years to Epstein's house? A. She estimated approximately 20 to 50 girls. Q. Did she work with anyone else in recruiting girls for Epstein? A. Yes. Q. Who did she work with? A. Another girl her age, (ph). Q. Who is A. She was a friend of 's that was living with her at the time. Q. Turning to slide 5. Did provide you with this photograph? A. Yes. Q. And what did she explain to you about this photograph? A. That this is -- that that's on the left and that's on the right. They were approximately 16- years old at that time the picture was taken. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000046 EFTA00008542 06/18/2019 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q• And during this time period, around the time when this photograph was taken when they were approximately 16, is that when they were working recruiting girls for Epstein? A. Yes. Q. In general, when would find a girl, how would she go about bringing the girl to Epstein? A. She would call who she believed was his or she assumed was his assistant, a woman named Q. Why would she call? A. She would call and say, I have a girl who can work, and they would schedule that appointment. Q. In conversations with , is that how they refer to these massage sessions, as "work"? A. Yes. Q. Once the session was scheduled, would go with the girl to the house? A. Yes. Q. What would she do, in general, once she brought the girl to the house? A. So the first time she would take a girl they would go to the residence, they'd wait in the office until they could be escorted upstairs. The first time she would go with a girl, she would go up with her so the girl felt comfortable and kind of knew what to do. Additional visits after that she would wait downstairs while the girl did the FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNI_GLSDNYJOMMINP EFTA00008543 06/18/2019 massage upstairs. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Did Epstein ever give feedback to about tr., girls that she was bringing? A. Yes. Q. Would he ever tell her that he particularly liked or didn't like a specific girl? A. Yes. Q. And would he ever tell her to bring a specific girl back or to not bring her back for other sessions? A. Yes. 4• Over time did she notice any patterns in the girls that Epstein seemed to like? A. She did. Q. What did she notice? A. That he liked young, petite, natural girls. Q. What did she mean by "natural girls"? A. That girls that were under 18, weren't completely developed. Q. Did she recall any particular expressions that Epstein would use to express his preferences when he was giving her feedback about girls that she had brought? A. I'm sorry. Say that again. Q. In your conversations with did she recall any particular expressions or phrases that Epstein would use when he was explaining what girls he did or didn't like? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 ONLGUDNY_OW00048 EFTA00008544 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 A. Yeah. He would tell her, you know what I like. If she brought someone he didn't like he'd be like, come on, you know, you know what I like. Q. What was her understanding of what that meant? A. She understood that to mean girls who were under 18. Q. Did tell you how much Epstein paid her for recruiting other girls? A. Yes. Q. And how much did he pay her? A. $300. Q. And was that for each new girl or for every session with the new girl when she brought her in? A. That was for each new girl and every session that she went with whatever girl. Q. We talked a little bit about phone calls between and , but I want to circle back and just talk about that in a little bit more detail. Can you explain for the Grand Jury, in general, how would schedule these sessions? A. She would schedule the sessions through would either contact her on her phone or she would reach out to and say she could work. Q. And just to be clear, did ever call A. Yes. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000049 EFTA00008545 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 18 Q. In sum and substance, what are some of the kinds of things that she would discuss on the phone with A. When she'd be available to massage him. They'd talk about what girls. would ask her, do you have a new girl, things along those lines. Q. Approximately how old was when she stopped going to Epstein's house? A. Around 17. Q. Did she explain to you why she stopped going? A. She said that the older she got she was having a more difficult time finding younger girls that he preferred. And at that time she also was working at a café. Q. All right. So I want to switch gears and talk about another witness that you've interviewed. Before I do, I just want to be clear. We've been talking about some of the things that has explained to you in your interviews. When you've been describing what she's told you, were those the exact words that she used in every interview or just the sum and substance of what she's relayed to you? A. Sum and substance. Q. During the course of this investigation have you participated in interviews with an individual named Yes. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000050 EFTA00008546 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 19 Q. So for today's purposes I'm just going to refer to her as . Can you tell us, how many times have you interviewed A. Twice. Q. Have you also reviewed reports from previous law enforcement interviews with Courtney? A. Yes. Q. Is your testimony today based both on your review of those reports and also your personal participation a-d interviews with A. Yes. Q. Okay. If we could turn to the next slide, slide 6. Is this a photograph of A. Yes. Q. Approximately how old was when this photograph was taken, if you know? A. Approximately 19. Q. What is 's date of birth? A. Q. Based on your participation and interviews with , have you learned where she was living when she was about 14 or 15? A. Yes. Q. Where was she living? A. She was living with a friend of her, FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNLGUDNYJNI000051 EFTA00008547 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 20 Q. Was that in the West Palm Beach area in Florida? A. Yes. Q. You mentioned that she was living with a friend. To be clear, was she living with her parents during that time? A. No. Q. Why not? A. She had a difficult home life. Q. Was she in school at that time? A. She had started high school and dropped out. Q. Did there come a time when learned abou- Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. Q. How did she learn about Epstein? A. She and were at a party together and another girl their age had approached them, telling them that they could make $200 to massage a rich guy in West Palm Beach. Q. How did she respond when she heard that? A. She agreed to do it. Q. Did she end up going to Epstein's residence in Palm Beach, Florida? A. Yes. Q. About how many times did she go to the residence? A. Approximately 60 times. Q. When she first started going to the house, did she FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000052 EFTA00008548 06/18/2019 21 ever go there with any of her friends? 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. Who did she go there with? A. She went with and other friends throughout the additional times. Q. Was approximately the same age as A. Yes. Q. Did recall approximately how old she wa when she first went to Epstein's house? A. Yes. Q. Did she remember the exact age? A. No. Q. What did she tell you about what she was able to remember about how old she was? A. She said she recalled it was the summer before her 9th grade year, but that she could have been 14, 15. She was unsure. Q. In interviews previously, had she mentioned that it's possible she might have been 16? A. Yes. Q. But was her most recent memory that she met him at approximately 14 or 15, but that she wasn't sure? A. Yes. Q. So if was born in 1987, would she have FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNLGUDNY_WOOD053 EFTA00008549 06/18/2019 22 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 been 14 or 15 in about the year 2002? A. Yes. Q. All right. During the times that went to Epstein's residence in Palm Beach, did she explain to you what would typically happen when she went to Epstein's house? A. Yes. Q. What did she describe to you about, in general, the kinds of things that would happen when she would go to his house? A. So she explained that she would go to the residence, she'd be escorted upstairs. Sometimes it was with a friend. Each girl would massage a side of Epstein, one girl would leave. Things that happen in the room described that Epstein would want his nipples touched, he would masturbate and he would touch her. She said that usually the massages were done when she was only in her underwear. Q. Has she ever described Epstein using a vibrator or a sex toy? A. Yes. Q. What did she describe? A. She said that he used a vibrator on her genital area. Q. During these massages would Epstein ever instruct FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000054 EFTA00008550 06/18/2019 23 her to use lotions? 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 lis d? A. Yes. 4• Did she identify what brand of lotions Epstein A. Bath and Body Works. Q. You explained that when she would go to the house she would either go upstairs or be escorted upstairs. Can you explain for the Grand Jury, when she would arrive at the house was she ever greeted by anyone? A. She was usually greeted by Epstein's assistant, Q. And did ever escort her upstairs to the massage room? A. Yes. Q. Did tell you what she was paid each time that she went to Epstein's house? A. Yes. Q. What did she tell you? A. She was paid $200. Q. How was she paid the $200? A. Hundred dollar bills. Q. Did there come a point in time when Epstein asked to bring other girls to him? A. Yes. Q. Did she agree to do that? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000055 EFTA00008551 06/18/2019 24 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. She did. Q. I want to ask you a little bit about 's role in recruiting other girls to bring to Epstein. Can you explain for the Grand Jury, in general, how would she find new girls to bring to Epstein? A. She found them at parties or in the neighborhood she was living at the time with She described it as a trailer park environment that she brought girls from. But some were school, when she was still there, and then jus parties. Q. In general, what kinds of things would she tel the girls about what to expect? A. Initially she told them that they were just going to give a massage and get paid. Q. And did she have a sense, in general, about the ranges of age of girls that she would bring to the house over time? A. Under 18. She did say she brought a couple that were over 18 and he wasn't happy about it. Q. I'm going to ask you a little bit more about that in a second. But just so we're clear, was her sense, in general, that of the girls she brought to the residence over time that most of them she thought were under 18? A. Yes. Q. Approximately how many girls did she estimate that FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000056 EFTA00008552 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 25 she had brought over the years, approximately? A. Dozens. Q. In general, what would happen when she would bring the girl to Epstein? A. She would go with the girl. They'd be escorted upstairs. The first time she went with a girl they would massage him together. Once Epstein flipped over to when he was laying on his back he would tell the other girl would stay and massage while downstairs. Q. Did Epstein ever give feedback on the girls that she had brought? A. Yes. Q. to leave and wen Would he ever tell her whether he liked or didn't like a specific girl? A. Yes. Q. Would he ever ask her to bring a certain girl back or to not bring another girl back? A. Yes. Q. Did she notice over time any patterns in the girls that Epstein seemed to like? A. Yes. Q. What did she notice? A. That he liked young, young girls, young petite girls. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000057 EFTA00008553 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 26 Q. And did she notice whether he appeared to have any preferences in the race of the girls that she was bringing? A. Yes. Q. What did she tell you? A. He did not like dark skinned or black girls. Q. Did she recall him using any particular expressions when he would convey his preferences to her? A. Yes. Q. What would he say? A. He told her, you know what I like. Q. What was her understanding of what that meant? A. She understood that to mean that he liked under 18. Q. When first went to Epstein's house, did she tell Epstein that she was older than she really was? A. Yes. Q. Why did she tell him she was older than she really was? A. One of the girls told her to say that she was older than she was. Q. When she started recruiting girls, did she tel them to say that they were older? A. Yes. Q. Did there come a point in time when she stopped giving girls that instruction? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNLG.L.SDNYJKOMM58 EFTA00008554 06/18/2019 2i 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. Why did she stop doing that? A. She said because it didn't matter. He didn't care how old they were as long as they weren't over 18. Q. Why did she think he didn't care about whether the girls were over 18 or not? A. Because she said he had preferred under 18 and that's what he wanted her to bring. Q. Why did she think that that was what he preferred? A. Because that's what he told her, you know what like. And she understood that to mean under 18. Q. Did tell you how much Epstein paid her for recruiting other girls? A. Yes. Q. What did she tell you? A. $200. Q. Was that for each new girl or for every time she brought in? A. Every time she brought the girl. Q. And did explain to you how she would schedule these sessions with Epstein? A. Yes. Q. How did that work? A. So she would be contacted by or she would call to schedule appointments. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_0O00O059 EFTA00008555 06/18/2019 28 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 was? Q• What was her understanding of who A. She understood her to be his assistant. Q. In general, in sum and substance, what would they discuss on those phone calls? A. She would tell what the girls looked like, she would tell them when they would be available. She'd also tell them when they wouldn't be available, based on their school or after curricular activities -- extra curricular. Q. During these calls how would refer to tne sessions that they were scheduling? A. As work. Q. Can you give us an example of how that would be used in a sentence? A. That she would just say: Are you available to work, or, do you have a girl that's available to work. Q. During these phone calls about scheduling, did Sarah ever say where she was calling from? A. Yes. Q. What did remember about that? A. recalled saying that she was calling from New York and they'd be coming down to West Palm Beach. Q. Okay. Switching gears. Have you become aware FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000060 EFTA00008556 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 29 that in a separate investigation of Jeffrey Epstein, a witness said in about 2005 that she'd recruited minor victims for Epstein, but that that she'd also brought some girls who were over 18 and that Epstein told her, quote, "the younger the better." And that she also said, quote, "he likes the girls that are between the ages of 18 and 20"? A. Yes. Q. All right. Switching topics. Have you become aware that in 2005 police officers from the Palm Beach Police Department executed a search warrant at Epstein's house at the El Brillo Way address in Palm Beach? A. Yes. Q. And have you reviewed some of the materials that were seized during the search? A. Yes. Q. Did they find a massage table and sex toys? A. Yes. Q. Did they find any phone messages? A. Yes. Q. Turning to slide 7. Could you please explain for the Grand Jury what we're looking at here? A. This is a room in his Palm Beach residence. Down here on the close right corner you're going to see message pads. Q. So were those note pads for taking phone messages? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNLGUDNYJX000061 EFTA00008557 06/18/2019 30 A. Yes. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. And in the message pads was there just one message per page or were there four, laid out two on top and two on the bottom? A. There were four, two on top and two on the bottom. Q. The message pad that we're looking at in this photograph, was that the only set of messages that were recovered from the residence? A. No. Q. All right. So let's talk a little bit about some of the phone messages that were found in the house. Let's turn to slide 8. Could you walk us through what we're looking at here? A. So this message is dated September 30th, 2004. 's name is on it and in the message it says: She has a female for Mr. JE. Q. So given the date on this message, if this message had been left by , given her date of birth, would she have been about 16-years old when this message was left? here? A. Yes. 4 • Let's turn to slide 9. What are we looking at A. This is a message that's dated November 8th, 2004. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000062 EFTA00008558 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 31 is on the message and in the message it says: have a female for him. Q. Do you recognize this particular phone number? A. Yes. Q. Based on your review of law enforcement reports, has previously identified this as her phone number? A. Yes. Q. Based on the date on this particular phone message and 's date of birth, would she have been about 17 when this message was left? A. Yes. Q. Let's turn to slide 10. So we've been looking at some of the excerpts of the phone message. Is this a full page of phone messages? A. Yes. Q. And do they all have dates on them? A. No. Q. Which one has a date on it? A. Upper left-hand side. Q. And is that November 11th, 2004? A. Yes. Q. So can you tell when these messages were approximately left? A. Approximately, yes. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNI_GLSDNYJNION)063 EFTA00008559 06/18/2019 32 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. But beyond the fact that one of them is dated, you're not sure? A. Correct. Q. Okay. Can you walk us through what we see here on this message pad? A. So bottom right is listed. On the top right, (ph) is listed, and it states: Wondering if you want her to work tomorrow and what time. Q. So the message on the bottom marked doesn't have a date on it. But if these messages were left in approximately November of 2004, based on date of birth, would she have been about 17 when this message was left? A. Yes. Q. here? IS All right. Turning to slide 11. What do we see A. So this message was dated January 13th, 2005. is listed on the message, along with her phone number and it just states: Please call her. Q. Based on your review of law enforcement reports, has previously identified this phone number as being one of her phone numbers during that time period? A. Yes. Q. Based on the date on this message and 's date of birth, would have been about FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000064 EFTA00008560 06/18/2019 17-years old when this message was left? 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q• Let's turn to slide 12. Can you tell us what we're looking at here? A. This message is dated January 29th, 2005. 's name is on this message along with her phone number, and in the message it says: I have a female for him. Q• Based on the date of this message and 's date of birth, would she have been about 17 when this message was left? A. Yes. Q. Let's turn to slide 13. This message is a bit more faint, so if you could just walk the Grand Jury through this message. A. So this message has listed on it along with her phone number. And in the message it says: She has a female friend for you, please call back as soon as possible. Q. Is there a date on this message? A. No. Q. So earlier you were describing that in interviews with she explained that she was living with a friend named at the time she first encountered Epstein, is that right? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000065 EFTA00008561 06/18/2019 34 A. Yes. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. And did she explain whether she ever went to Epstein's house with A. She did. Q. And did you find in your review of the phone messages in Epstein's house, any messages left by a person named A. Yes. Q. Let's talk about a few of those messages. If yo.: could turn to slide 14, please. What do we see here? A. This is a message in March of 2005. It lists on it. And in the message: She will be here at four but she needs talk to you before that. Please call her p.m. back. Q. Turing to slide 15. What do we see here? A. This is a message dated September 8th of 2005. is listed on it along with her new phone number, • Q. Now, do you know one way or the other whether this specific message was left by A. No. Q. Are you familiar with 's date of birth? A. Yes. Q. And if this message had been left by FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000066 EFTA00008562 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 35 based on the date of the message and 's date oL birth, would she have been about 17? A. Yes. Q. Turning to slide 16. What do we see here? A. This message is dated March 18th of 2005. is listed on it along with a phone number and the message says: Please call her. Q. Again, same as before, do you know one way or the other whether this specific message was left by A. No. Q. But based on the date on this message and 's date of birth, if it had been left by would she have been about 16 on that date? A. Yes. Q. Turning to slide 17. Does this appear to be another message left by someone named A. Yes. Q. What's the text of the message? A. She can be tomorrow here from two p.m. to whenever. Q. What's the date on the message? A. Oh, sorry. 3-18-05. Q. Same as before, do you know one way or the other whether this was left FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000067 EFTA00008563 06/18/2019 36 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. No. Q. Based on her date of birth and the date of this message, if she had left this message would she have been about 16? A. Yes. Q. And finally, turning to slide 18. This is a bit faint so if you could walk the Grand Jury through it? A. So this message has 's name on it along with the phone number, and in the message it says: Has girl for tonight. Q. Is there a date on this message? A. No. Q. In your review of these phone messages, did you find any other phone messages that appeared to fit this pattern of scheduling with girls? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Let's talk about just a few of those. Let's turn to slide 19. What do we see here? A. This message is September of 2005. It has a woman named on it. In the message it says: Cancel she would like to speak to you, I believe, about college. Along with a phone number. Should I schedule anyone else? Q. And so the name , we'll talk about that a little bit in a few minutes. But just for present purposes, FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNI_GLSDNYJNION)O68 EFTA00008564 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 have you become aware during this investigation that during this time period Jeffrey Epstein had an assistant named A. Yes. Q. Turning to slide 20. What does this message say? A. This is a message that has (ph) on it, and in the message it says: wants to work if you are in. Q. Turning to slide 21. What does this message say? A. This message has on it and the message states: Is it okay if will come at five. Q. And finally, turning to slide 22. What does thi. message say? A. This message has and (ph) on it. In the message it states: They are available all weekend and maybe too. And signed, (ph). Q. Have you interviewed a person named during this investigation? A. Yes. Q. Do you know whether or not that's the same listed on this message? A. No. Q. In a minute I want to ask you about your interviews of . But before I do that I just want to ask you a few more questions about Did there come a point in time, in approximately FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000069 EFTA00008565 06/18/2019 38 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2007, when learned that Epstein was being investigated by State authorities for his conduct with minors? A. Yes. Q. How did she learn that? A. She had seen it, that there was an investigation into him. And then she had reached out to and told her that if she didn't talk she'd be taken care of. Q. And were those the exact words used or just th• sum and substance of that conversation? A. Sum and substance. Q. And do you remember, as we sit here today, whether she said that she called her? or whether called A. I don't recall the specifics, but there was a telephone communication. Q. And finally, when you met with what was her demeanor like when she discussed her role in recruiting minors for Jeffrey Epstein? A. I'm sorry. Can you say it again? Q. When you would talk with about her role in recruiting minors for Jeffrey Epstein, what was her demeanor like? A. She became very emotional when she talked about FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000070 EFTA00008566 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 39 that, very upset about her role in bringing other girls to him. Q. Finally I want to talk to you about one last witness that you've interviewed. During the course of this investigation, have you participated in interviews with an individual named A. Yes. Q. For today's purposes I'm just going to refer to her as . Can you tell us, how many times have you interviewed A. Twice. Q. Have you also reviewed reports from previous law enforcement interviews with A. Yes. Q. Is your testimony today based on both your review of those reports and also your own interviews with A. Yes. Q. Let's turn to slide 23. Are these photographs of A. Yes. Q. Did she tell you about how old she was when these photographs were taken? A. She said that she was approximately 16 or 17 years old when these photos were taken. Q. What is her date of birth? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNLGUDNYJNI000071 EFTA00008567 06/18/2019 4C A. 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. And have you learned where she was living when she was about 17-years old? A. Yes. Q. Where was she living? A. In West Palm Beach area. Q. Was she in school at the time? A. Yes. Q. Did there come a point in time when about Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes. Q. How did that happen? A. One of her friends told her about a girl -- I'm sorry. Someone told her about being able to make money to massage a rich guy in West Palm Beach, and she agreed to do that. learned Q. Did she ultimately end up going to Epstein's residence in Palm Beach, Florida? A. Yes. Q. Approximately how many times? A. Multiple times. Q. Approximately how old was she when she first went to Epstein's house? A. Approximately 16 or 17 years old. Q. During the times that she went there, did she FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 ONLGLSDNYJKOMM72 EFTA00008568 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 41 explain to you what would typically happen when she went to Epstein's house? A. Yes. Q. What are some of the things that she has described to you that occurred while she was at the residence? A. She talked about having to massage him without her clothes on, in just her panties or nude. She talked about having to play with his nipples while he masturbated and that he touched her breasts, her genital area and used a vibrator on her genital area. Q. Generally speaking, where would this occur? A. In the massage room at the West Palm Beach residence. Q. During these massages, did Epstein ever instruct her to use lotions? A. Yes. Q. What kind of lotions? A. Bath and Body Works. Q. what has she told you about any payment she received for these sessions? A. She said she received $200. Q. How was she paid? A. Hundred dollar bills. Q. Who would pay her? A. Epstein or FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GNLGUDNYJX0000073 EFTA00008569 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 06/18/2019 42 Q. We'll talk a little bit more about in a moment. But let me ask for now, what, if anything, did she say to you about a conversation she had with Epstein about her age? A. She said that she told him she was under 18 and he made comments to her that if she was 18 he's help her with her modeling career or when she became 18 he could help her. He told her that if she was 18 he would've taken her to party. Q. When you met with , what was her demeanor like when she discussed what happened with Epstein during these sessions? A. She became upset when she went into further detail about what occurred. Q. When you say she was "upset," can you just explain for us a little bit what it was like talking to her about those experiences? A. It was emotional. I mean, there were tears, there were some tears. Q. Were there some details she wasn't as comfortable talking about? A. Yes. Q. Has told you that she's gone through psychological treatment, in part to cope with her experiences with Epstein? FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_00000074 EFTA00008570 06/18/2019 47 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. Has she ever been hospitalized relating to those issues? A. Yes. Q. What was she hospitalized for? A. Self harm, cutting herself. Q. I want to switch gears and talk about a few records relating to . If we could turn to slide 24. What's depicted on this slide? A. So this is a calendar page. This was taken from her senior year school planner. And on this page you can see she wrote in, Jeffrey, up here on the 9th, and then Jeffrey's listed on the 29th. Q. Just to give some context. Are these the pages from October 2004 from her senior year school planner? A. Yes. Q. And are there listed some of her activities and events throughout that month? A. Yes. Q. In October 2004, would have been 17? A. Yes. Q. Let's talk just a little bit about the two areas that you flagged in the circles. So looking at the top right red circle that's underneath and to the right of the entry that says, new school. Is Jeffrey written on that FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947 GM_GLSDNY_0O00O075 EFTA00008571 06/18/2019 44 Saturday, the 9th? 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Yes. Q. And at the bottom, th